Re: [Catalyst] windows install issues (Was: RFC: New to Catalystquestions)
From: Rodrigo Oops, ok, sorry, I thought you had Strawberry. Last year I swapped all things Active for Strawberry Perl. In any case, maybe you can tinker with the ActivePerl cpan Config.pm so that it uses the MinGW compiler and the Strawberry cpan settings. The idea would be to make ActivePerl compile its modules using the Strawberry config settings.Don't know if that would work. Another way (if don't want to switch to strawberry flavored perl) is to just install Strawberry, then edit your PATH and strip off all c:\strawberry\... directories so that it won't disturb your ActivePerl installation. Then create a little bat file that will give you a strawberry prompt. Install modules with strawberry cpan, then copy them from strawberry\perl\site (and auto) into ActivePerl's \site directories. I've tried to use Strawberry Perl, but I've seen that I can't install some modules on it. I needed to install MIME::Tools by downloading the package manually, and doing perl Makefile.PL, dmake, skip dmake test and do only dmake install, because I couldn't do it using cpan. On the dmake test, it freezes on a certain test. I also couldn't install DBD::mysql, even though I've also tried without cpan, because on dmake it gives some errors I don't understand, even though I've added all those directories which perl Makefile.PL needs. I have also tried to install WxPerl with it, but without success. I've seen that the ppm it uses seems to be either very old or a different kind than that used by Activeperl because it seems to have less features. From this point of view, Perl is not a very good language for Windows because it is hard to adapt the modules that work fine under other systems. Octavian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] windows install issues (Was: RFC: New to Catalystquestions)
I've tried to use Strawberry Perl, but I've seen that I can't install some modules on it. I needed to install MIME::Tools by downloading the package manually, and doing perl Makefile.PL, dmake, skip dmake test and do only dmake install, because I couldn't do it using cpan. On the dmake test, it freezes on a certain test. Strange, MIME::Tools is another module that installs fine in my Strawberry 5.10.0.0. No freezing on tests. Make sure that, if you're going to install things manually, use the command look to get the correct build environment: cpan look MIME::Tools I also couldn't install DBD::mysql, even though I've also tried without cpan, because on dmake it gives some errors I don't understand, even though I've added all those directories which perl Makefile.PL needs. I have also tried to install WxPerl with it, but without success. Another strange one... WxWidgets is one of Strawberry star installations for the October2008 release. http://strawberryperl.com/releases.html I don't develop for Wx, but I installed it (and Tk) successfully in Strawberry with cpan. DBD::mysql needs the mysql source code to link to. That's a good candidate for ppm. I've seen that the ppm it uses seems to be either very old or a different kind than that used by Activeperl because it seems to have less features. The strawberry ppm has given me problems also. That's supposed to be one of the improvements in the latest Strawberry Jan 2009, but I haven't tried so far. From this point of view, Perl is not a very good language for Windows because it is hard to adapt the modules that work fine under other systems. I agree that perl and cpan modules favor posix features, such as fork(), and that's a no-go for windows. I just try to avoid those by using no-posix modules. I use ppms for tough to install modules, sometimes unzipping them straight into c:\strawberry\perl\site\lib if the ppm installer is not working well, which has been the case for strawberry lately. --rodrigo ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] New version of InstantCRUD
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Zbigniew Lukasiak wrote: Have you thought about a REST-like inteface? Yes, definitely going to use some kind of published API, probably REST-like. That way the javascript heavy frontend could be swapped out for a (possibly less feature rich) HTML version. - -- Oliver Gorwits, Network and Telecommunications Group, Oxford University Computing Services -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 (Darwin) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFJoEWa2NPq7pwWBt4RAkK4AJ0WzDRWLVXdcIYBOTkqyJ/ErTrolQCgtuxq z6VVz/hT7JgX3vOylcgWYVc= =WRt0 -END PGP SIGNATURE- ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Requirements for Catalyst
Hello, It is very clear that a Catalyst app can't run on a shared host, but it requires either a dedicated server or a VPS. I am searching for web space providers that offer VPS and I've seen that they use to set their tariff plans mainly on the guaranteed memory, but I don't know which would be the necessary memory for a VPS that runs an OS like Fedora or CentOS, Apache, Perl and Catalyst. Could be 256 MB of memory enough? Or 512? Or I would need 1 GB or more if I would like to run a Catalyst app? That Catalyst app would use a MySQL database, and it would have around 100 tables, and 20 - 30 Catalyst controllers. Can I find this type of information somewhere? Thanks. Octavian ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Requirements for Catalyst
* On Sat, Feb 21 2009, Octavian Râşniţă wrote: Hello, It is very clear that a Catalyst app can't run on a shared host, but it requires either a dedicated server or a VPS. I am searching for web space providers that offer VPS and I've seen that they use to set their tariff plans mainly on the guaranteed memory, but I don't know which would be the necessary memory for a VPS that runs an OS like Fedora or CentOS, Apache, Perl and Catalyst. Could be 256 MB of memory enough? Or 512? Or I would need 1 GB or more if I would like to run a Catalyst app? We run lots of Catalyst apps on the smallest Linode. I think they give us something like 340M of RAM. This is enough. I use a 512M Slicehost for jrock.us, which runs my mail server and a few Catalyst applications. Anyway, nearly every VPS provider I know of lets you add more memory easily. Buy the small one, and if you need more memory, upgrade. Regards, Jonathan Rockway -- print just = another = perl = hacker = if $,=$ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Requirements for Catalyst
On Feb 21, 2009, at 2:21 PM, Octavian Râşniţă wrote: It is very clear that a Catalyst app can't run on a shared host, but it requires either a dedicated server or a VPS. I've been running four or five Cat apps on shared hosting for 3 years. I wouldn't do it for a business but it's fine for regular personal sites; and I would never run any business from a shared host anyway, it's not really a Cat issue on that front. I serve something like 5-15K pages a day from Cat on DreamHost under fastcgi. -Ashley ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Requirements for Catalyst
On Saturday 21 February 2009 05:04:54 pm Jonathan Rockway wrote: * On Sat, Feb 21 2009, Octavian Râşniţă wrote: Hello, It is very clear that a Catalyst app can't run on a shared host, but it requires either a dedicated server or a VPS. I am searching for web space providers that offer VPS and I've seen that they use to set their tariff plans mainly on the guaranteed memory, but I don't know which would be the necessary memory for a VPS that runs an OS like Fedora or CentOS, Apache, Perl and Catalyst. Could be 256 MB of memory enough? Or 512? Or I would need 1 GB or more if I would like to run a Catalyst app? We run lots of Catalyst apps on the smallest Linode. I think they give us something like 340M of RAM. This is enough. I use a 512M Slicehost for jrock.us, which runs my mail server and a few Catalyst applications. Anyway, nearly every VPS provider I know of lets you add more memory easily. Buy the small one, and if you need more memory, upgrade. Seconded. I run prod stuff for $WORK on Xen VMs with 512MB of RAM. Light-duty stuff should work well enough on 256MB and Linode's 360 deal is just about ideal. And any _good_ provider should let you instantly add more RAM with nothing more than a reboot, and prorate the bill appropriately, so growing shouldn't be a huge source of concern. Andrew ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Maybe there is a need for some speedups of 'config' method ?
Hello. Catalyst is the best MVC ever. Thanks for doing your work guys!
I use Catalyst in extremely loaded projects (currently 60.000.000 pageloads
/ day).
Thereforce i'm perfomance paranoid man.
One of 'black stones' is the -config method. It has dramatically slow
perfomance at
config_method: 1 wallclock secs ( 1.06 usr + 0.00 sys = 1.06 CPU) @
3808.94/s (n=4047)
it has 2 workarounds:
1) use 'state' feature of perl 5.10
sub my_action {
state $cfg = $c-config;
}
2) create inherited accessor
MyApp-mk_group_accessors(inherited = qw/cfg/);
sub finalize_setup {
$class-cfg($class-config);
}
cfg_accessor: 2 wallclock secs ( 1.03 usr + 0.00 sys = 1.03 CPU) @
237252.85/s (n=244667)
config_method: 1 wallclock secs ( 1.06 usr + 0.00 sys = 1.06 CPU) @
3808.94/s (n=4047)
It would be VERY GREAT if we somehow make -config works a hundred times
faster because everybody use
-config without any suspicions on its speed.
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Re: [Catalyst] Requirements for Catalyst
On Feb 21, 2009, at 3:04 PM, Jonathan Rockway wrote: We run lots of Catalyst apps on the smallest Linode. I think they give us something like 340M of RAM. This is enough. I use a 512M Slicehost for jrock.us, which runs my mail server and a few Catalyst applications I know this is getting pretty off topic but I'm hovering on a VPS buy so I'd like to hear more about why these two and what you'd say to someone like me whose Perl is drastically better than my admin chops. Put your referral code(s) if you've got them in your response too. -Ashley ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
