[Catalyst] Re: New design

2013-07-23 Thread Lance A. Brown 
David Dorward said the following on 7/23/2013 7:30 PM:
> Then we come to Man With A Brick. Putting the first brick in place is a
> good image for getting started … but completely breaks from the space
> theme from elsewhere in the page. It's also the first section that uses
> translucent backgrounds and it really feels like part of a different site.

Man with a Brick is an image from near the end of the movie "The Fifth
Element".  Does that generate licensing/copyright/etc. issues?

Design looks cool.  I see the same issue with the space dancers others
have mentioned.

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[Catalyst] Re: New design

2013-07-23 Thread Aristotle Pagaltzis 
* Mark Keating  [2013-07-23 10:50]:
> The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for
> a bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for
> Catalyst. Take a look and let me know what you guys think.
>
> http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg

Well it looks cool. But the entire first page is nothing but a starry
sky with 2 sentences worth of information on it. In general, information
density in this design is really low, and most of it gives me a headache
if I try to read rather than just take in the prettiness.

Test that yourself: try to really read a few paragraphs of the prose on
that mockup. Then switch to the http://catalystframework.org/ and do the
same there. Which one hurts your eyes and which one soothes them?

Then what is this design trying to accomplish?

The goal that Tobias’ design was created to meet was to sell people on
Catalyst at a glance, by providing answers to the questions a) what is
Catalyst, b) why would anyone want it, and c) how to get started, all in
as little space and as few words as possible. Was there any similar goal
formulated for this new design? Was it met?

Furthermore – is this is supposed to be developed into a site-wide
design implemented beyond the front page? Or is this just swapping out
another look for the landing page shared with absolutely no other part
of the site that is even just one click away, like all the previous
“redesigns”? Changing the looks on the landing page is the easy part,
making something that works for the entire site and is implemented on
the entire site is what’s necessary and what has yet to happen, I think
ever since Catalyst has existed.

Design isn’t just putting a coat of paint on it…

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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread Ashley Pond V 
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 4:30 PM, David Dorward  wrote:

> On 23 Jul 2013, at 9:48, Mark Keating wrote:
>
>  The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a
>> bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for Catalyst.
>> Take a look and let me know what you guys think.
>>
>
Concur with some recent feedback. It's done nattily but it's incohesive,
seems more targeted at HR and biz dev than software developers, and 2001
was approximately when Perl "died" and the movie makes me think of the
1960s, killer computers, and LSD, not MVC development for the future.

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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread David Dorward 

On 23 Jul 2013, at 9:48, Mark Keating wrote:

The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a 
bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for 
Catalyst. Take a look and let me know what you guys think.


It's very pretty, I *love* the look of many of the graphics, and there 
are some nice ideas in there.


However, it is a very wide design which is going to lead to horizontal 
scrolling (the red section could do with having 2 rows of 3 things 
instead of 1 of 5, the space between the text and the book graphic could 
be reduced, the two guides to getting a decent Perl environment could do 
with being shunted off to their own page with a choice of links instead 
of a choice of columns) with some very tiny fonts (really tiny, the font 
size could do with being a lot bigger).


I like the space theme, although as other people have commented it isn't 
Catalyst's traditional theme. I'd carry the dotted graphic theme through 
to the red section though (possibly with the telescope being done in 
that style).


The Dancing astronauts are cute but more suggestive of Dancer than 
Catalyst!


Then we come to Man With A Brick. Putting the first brick in place is a 
good image for getting started … but completely breaks from the space 
theme from elsewhere in the page. It's also the first section that uses 
translucent backgrounds and it really feels like part of a different 
site.


The list of clients is nice, very clear and good at highlighting some 
high profile users of Catalyst. It suffers from too-many-columns but 
that is easily fixed.


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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread Richard Bychowski 
On Jul 23, 2013, at 1:48 AM, Mark Keating wrote:

> The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a bunch 
> of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for Catalyst. Take a 
> look and let me know what you guys think.
> 
> http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg

I like the layout a lot. But the Catalyst molecule logo was apparently mistaken 
for a planetary system, which might have inspired the space theme. Perhaps keep 
the layout but change the thematic elements back to the 
chemistry/molecular/catalysis theme.

BTW, there are a lot of very cool colorful images of catalytic surfaces (for 
example as seen on the cover of The Definitive Guide to Catalyst). Here's a 
real cool image:

http://www6.slac.stanford.edu/pictures/990x660-news-article-expanded/130314-surfacechem-art-big.jpg

Which I found on this page:

http://www6.slac.stanford.edu/news/2013-03-14-surfacechemistry.aspx

That's likely copyrighted, but is perhaps a great starting place for 
inspiration.

- Rick Bychowski
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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread bill hauck 
I like it overall.

I'd replace the dancing astronauts with something more "catalyst-y" like maybe 
test tubes or beakers and a bunsen burner with a nice flame on top.



>
> From: Mark Keating 
>To: catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk 
>Sent: Tuesday, July 23, 2013 4:48 AM
>Subject: [Catalyst] New design
> 
>
>The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a 
>bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for 
>Catalyst. Take a look and let me know what you guys think.
>
>http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg
>
>Kind regards
>
>Mark
>
>-- 
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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread André Walker 

On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 09:48:43AM +0100, Mark Keating wrote:

The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a bunch
of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for Catalyst. Take a
look and let me know what you guys think.

http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg


Whether there is a reason for space dancers or not, I don't know. But I really
like it! It would be a very welcome update to the current website.

Cheers,
André


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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread john edstrom 

Kind of odd.  The spaceship is the lunar shuttle from "2001 a Space
Odysy" which is ambiguous since its now 2013, long past 2001, but still
futuristic since there are no bases on the Moon.  Yet.

I don't get the dancers either, especially since Dancer is a
"competitor" for Catalyst.   Sort of an ambivalent vibe.  I'd sort of
expect something linked to the word "catalyst" instead, but I confess I
can't think of a visual that evokes catalysis (facilitating rate of
reaction by effectively lowering activation energy).

The design is clean and crisp though.  Maybe a bit dark.


  JE



> On 7/23/13, Mark Keating  wrote:
> > The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a
> > bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for
> > Catalyst. Take a look and let me know what you guys think.
> >
> > http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --
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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread Hernan Lopes 
Good good

On 7/23/13, Mark Keating  wrote:
> The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a
> bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for
> Catalyst. Take a look and let me know what you guys think.
>
> http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg
>
> Kind regards
>
> Mark
>
> --
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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread Eden Cardim 
> "Mark" == Mark Keating  writes:

Mark> The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design
Mark> mocks for a bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a
Mark> fresh look for Catalyst. Take a look and let me know what
Mark> you guys think.

Mark> http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg

I love it!

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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread John SJ Anderson 
On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 1:48 AM, Mark Keating  wrote:
> http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg

Evozon++
mdk++

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RE: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread Craig Chant 
Don't get me wrong, the site looks cool for sure.

I just didn't get the dancing space people and an MVC Perl Framework connection.

Ballerina, Tap Dancing, Tango / Salsa etc..

I am struggling to relate the icon to the feature.

Break dancing = plug-in ?

Of course YMMV!


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From: Ferruccio Zamuner [mailto:nonsolos...@diff.org]
Sent: 23 July 2013 12:43
To: catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk
Subject: Re: [Catalyst] New design

On 07/23/13 10:48, Mark Keating wrote:
> Take a look and let me know what you guys think.
>
> http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg
>

I love it.

Dancing people makes it seem amusing to use.
Space mood makes it ready for the future.

Best regards,\ferz

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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread Ferruccio Zamuner 

On 07/23/13 10:48, Mark Keating wrote:

Take a look and let me know what you guys think.

http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg



I love it.

Dancing people makes it seem amusing to use.
Space mood makes it ready for the future.

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RE: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread Craig Chant 
I'm not sure what all the weird dancing space people are all about?

I'm not a graphic designer though, so what do I know!

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Subject: [Catalyst] New design

The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a bunch of 
Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for Catalyst. Take a look 
and let me know what you guys think.

http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg

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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread Dimitar Petrov 
It's cool indeed. Great work dude, great work!


On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 10:51 AM, Chankey Pathak wrote:

> It's cool! I liked it :)
>
> Good job!
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Mark Keating 
> wrote:
>
>> The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a
>> bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for Catalyst.
>> Take a look and let me know what you guys think.
>>
>> http://www.mdk.me.uk/**community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg
>>
>> Kind regards
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Re: [Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread Chankey Pathak 
It's cool! I liked it :)

Good job!


On Tue, Jul 23, 2013 at 2:18 PM, Mark Keating wrote:

> The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a
> bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for Catalyst.
> Take a look and let me know what you guys think.
>
> http://www.mdk.me.uk/**community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg
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> Kind regards
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[Catalyst] New design

2013-07-23 Thread Mark Keating 
The nice chaps at Evozon have recently been making design mocks for a 
bunch of Perl sites and they have come up with a fresh look for 
Catalyst. Take a look and let me know what you guys think.


http://www.mdk.me.uk/community/mocks/Catalyst.jpg

Kind regards

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[Catalyst] C::Authentication::Credential::MultiFactors and C::Authentication::Progressive

2013-07-23 Thread Ferruccio Zamuner 

Hi,

I'm a bit confused about user case

when I can use Catalyst::Authentication::Realm::Progressive
or
when I can use Catalyst::Authentication::Credential::MultiFactor

When have I to prefer one of them?


Thank you in advance,   \ferz

Links:

http://search.cpan.org/~bobtfish/Catalyst-Plugin-Authentication/lib/Catalyst/Authentication/Realm/Progressive.pm

http://search.cpan.org/~tengu/Catalyst-Authentication-Credential-MultiFactor/lib/Catalyst/Authentication/Credential/MultiFactor.pm

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