Re: [Catalyst] New Apress book shipping now from Amazon.com
The extra one is mine! Regards, Ali On Mon, Jul 27, 2009 at 11:06 PM, Darren Duncandar...@darrenduncan.net wrote: Darren Duncan wrote: Ari Constancio wrote: For those interested, Amazon.com is shipping now pre-orders for The Definitive Guide to Catalyst. Not sure about new orders, though. I've had a different experience so far. I pre-ordered the book on amazon.ca back on June 19th, and it estimated it would ship July 10, the release date. Then today I got a message from Amazon saying it had been delayed, and now they say, I kid you not: Estimated ship date: August 05 2009 - October 21 2009 Now that's probably a glitch, which will be corrected shortly with a new estimate, and usually my experience with Amazon is they ship things ahead of their estimates. But as a hedge I went and placed a separate amazon.com order now, which it estimates to ship on July 17th. The idea that when one ships I'll cancel the other one (or end up with 2 copies if they ship simultaneously). So we'll see what I get first. As an update, today (July 27) I received *both* copies in the mail, after they had shipped on July 19 (.com) and July 22 (.ca). Both in good condition. -- Darren Duncan ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] New Apress book on Safari Books Online
In that case can you post numbers, how many copies the book sold? This can be a good health check indication for how well the framework is perceived and how popular it it! Maybe JRockway can also tell us how many copies his book sold! Regards, Ali On Fri, Jul 24, 2009 at 1:35 AM, Kieren Dimentkie...@diment.org wrote: On 24/07/2009, at 5:05 AM, John Napiorkowski wrote: If I may I recommend the Ebook, you will receive it instantenously, its searchable and printable and 10 to 15 dollars cheaper! Plus you save a tree, so its greener too! Regards, Ali Does the mst and all get the same payment if we buy it as an ebook? john I think it's less because the royalty is based on the retail price. I have no idea how things like Safari work ... ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] New Apress book on Safari Books Online
If I may I recommend the Ebook, you will receive it instantenously, its searchable and printable and 10 to 15 dollars cheaper! Plus you save a tree, so its greener too! Regards, Ali On Wed, Jul 22, 2009 at 2:17 PM, Adam Witneyawit...@sgul.ac.uk wrote: I placed the order last week and yesterday Amazon (UK) gave me an Estimated arrival date of August 04 2009 - August 13 2009 On 22 Jul 2009, at 11:58, Gavin Henry wrote: Amazon uk keep delaying my order. It's definitely out right? Thanks. On 21/07/2009, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote: On 22/07/2009, at 7:49 AM, Meeko wrote: Does anyone know if/whether the new Apress book The Definitive Guide to Catalyst will appear on O'Reilly Safari Books Online? I have a Safari subscription, and prefer reading my tech books there. I would really like to read the new book, and I keep checking every few days to see if it has appeared but so far it hasn't. I was just wondering if anyone knows how long it usually takes books to appear there, and if or when the new Catalyst book will appear. I see lots of Apress books on Safari, so I know their books do appear, so I'm hoping the new Catalyst books makes it soon. I asked the boss, and will get back to you when he replies! ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- Sent from my mobile device http://www.suretecsystems.com/services/openldap/ http://www.suretectelecom.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] how to implement Transactions (over different db tables) in a Catalyst project
Kakimoto I recommend you read this article http://blog.urth.org/2009/07/what-is-catalyst-really.html It might help you understand more when its a Catalyst Issue or a another component issue! And help you better trouble shoot your problems. Apparently Catalyst will help you send a request to the data model and return the request result to a view The content of the request and its semantic apparently from this conversation and the article is the Model responsibility So if the Model is Transaction capable, you will have transaction! Can transactions be implemented at the Catalyst/glue level, apparently Catalyst was not conceived to do so! I hope this helped! ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] [Announce] Catalyzed.org launched
I like the site name, you caught a nice domain name here? The trick would be to keep it alive, we already have Perlbuzz which is quiet nice (and sounds very nice too) and Planet Perl! Good luck! :) ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] RFC: The paradox of choice in web development
Kieren Diment you really seem like such a nice, tolerant and decent person. I could buy the book God willing only to make you happy, seriously. I personally think that 30$ for a nice book, it worthwhile. Of course if you feel like buying 20 books, 20 * 30 = 600$ , well not so nice then. But as Kieren predicted, books and publisher will eventually have to offer a lot more added value to create customers. As more ppl blog and write docs for and about their technologies of choice less people will be willing to pay for books. Not to divert from the thread main topic, I believe, we are bit ignoring the elephant in the room. When Catalyst is not chosen I personally believe it the combination of two things 1. Perl is no longer perceived as an easy language, or language that make development easier. 2. Catalyst perceivably doesn't offer enough added value for developers who are not that much into Perl to make the sacrifice and use Perl anyway. Blaming it on too much choice is not really there. New Perlers (and I consider my self one) know what the best modules are DBIx::Class DateTime XML::LibXML Catalyst, CGI::App for starter CGI for complete beginners Moose HTML::FormFu and so on I want to say, that today, there seem to be a general consensus on what the best modules are ... New Perlers are not confused. Those who disagree, maybe old Perlers. I do wish to see good existing success stories about Perl in sites like infoq, hackernews (ycombinator) and any other site that is popular enough to spread the good word. The community will benefit from more bloggers and success stories and books :) On Tue, Feb 17, 2009 at 12:58 PM, Kieren Diment kie...@diment.org wrote: On 17/02/2009, at 9:48 PM, Dan Dascalescu wrote: On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 1:13 PM, Kieren Diment dim...@gmail.com wrote: So the goal of the book we're writing at the moment isn't a walk-through tutorial, but a set of materials designed to get you from raw beginner through the entire catalyst learning curve as quickly as possible - i.e. minimising the cost of the learning curve. I bought the first book and I'll buy this one as soon as it becomes available. But there's an interesting point about writing the book at http://tinyurl.com/closed-books eq http://www.shlomifish.org/philosophy/philosophy/closed-books-are-so-19th-century/#admission-of-failuret Aye, but I wouldn't have time to get things moving without the resources of a publisher to pay me an advance. Plus there's the other stuff ... editorial, people beating you to make sure you reach deadlines etc. Yes publishers are in trouble, espeically in the software sector, but no, they're not obsolete. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Re: New Catalyst Book?
First congratulation, this book is surely needed. And may i ask which Catalyst release will this book cover? On Sat, Feb 7, 2009 at 1:47 AM, Richard Thomas r...@mac.com wrote: KinoSearch++ We have updates to the indexes attached to CDBI triggers, and it is extremely effective. Obviously this approach wouldn't work with multiple servers but there are ways of solving that. Kino is very clearly documented, and fast. We have about 8 assorted indexes, and just iterate through the lot, bringing back all hits found. It's still as close to instantaneous as makes no odds, and much easier than constructing DB searches. RET Sent from my iPhone On 07/02/2009, at 5:14 AM, Stuart Watt sw...@infobal.com wrote: Most of my work is search in Catalyst. I'll help. We've now got a web-service remote search system, a database SQL search, and a local search using a highly tweaked KinoSearch, all working fine and more or less pluggably. I am so happy with Catalyst, and when we get through our production deliverable (Tuesday) I'll happily collaborate on a search wiki. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Off Topic: Re: [Catalyst] [Announce] MojoMojo 0.999021 has been released to CPAN
There is another project by Sebastien Riedel, and its called Mojo, just one Mojo. I think the people working on MojoMojo, should contact Sebastien and work out the naming thing, because it sometimes gets confusing following the news about either. best regards and good luck to both projects ali On Sat, Nov 1, 2008 at 3:12 AM, Marcus Ramberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi gang. Just a quick notice to inform you that a new version of the Catalyst/DBIC based wiki MojoMojo has been released to CPAN. A major focus for this release has been to make MojoMojo easier to install and maintain, and to that effect, I'm happy to mention that we're finally rid of Plucene. There's also some check to warn you of permissions trouble at startup, as well as a new fluid layout for smaller displays, and a number of bug fixes. I've included the entire change list below. If you're interested in MojoMojo, I suggest stopping by #mojomojo on irc.perl.org. -- Be well Marcus Ramberg Nordaaker Ltd (http://nordaaker.com) Open web app craftsmen 0.999021 2008-11-01 01:47:00 - Move search to KinoSearch - Make startup checks for permissions. - Remove BindLex - Fix lingering 'query' search name which should be 'q' - add Edit Pages link to navbar - Some spawn db fixes - Fix session config, removed colonos (plu) - liquid layout for less than 1024px wide view ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Announce: Instant AJAX web front-end for DBIx::Class
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Re: [Catalyst] Announce: Instant AJAX web front-end for DBIx::Class
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Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread
Oh! Tobias, to make your design more striking! can you try to switch the color on the banner where it says Turbo Charge your Perl Web devlopment! Make the backgroung White and the Logo and fonts in red ... or at least the logo in red and the font in anything that goes with it ! I believe this may make the design more striking ...which what i hope the new site aims for! On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Ali M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi Tobias ... I can add to you few comments and suggestion. Can you emphasize more the Catalyst logo .. I find it still kinda small Look at http://grails.org/ the Grails logo is like huge and its the first thing that catches your eye when you open the Grails site In general I have few more comment, I think one of the most important objective for the new grails site is that it beez Catalyst powered. So the new desing should have a powered by catalyst button ... I know the new wiki will be ... One more thing I like about the grails site is that the design is really different! At least to me its like nothing i've seen before ... i will never confuse the grails site for another one So I think the new Catalyst site should aim for that too, to be really different ... for example Tobias site uses a very common and seen-before button for the download link, feels cheap to me (no offense) , so I guess we should work more on this too regards Ali On Tue, Jun 17, 2008 at 9:15 AM, Tobias Kremer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 17.06.2008, at 04:13, Kieren Diment wrote: On 17 Jun 2008, at 03:39, Jay K wrote: 6) http://www.funkreich.de/catalystorg.png I decided to review these again. I think that this one is my favourite, although I'd really like to see the crop circle integrated into the final design. I've incorporated some of the suggestions into the next version of the mockup which can be found here: http://funkreich.de/catalyst/v2.png I'm still trying to figure out what goes where. The texts and navigational elements aren't final either. Any feedback is greatly appreciated! --Tobias ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst site design drafts feedback thread
Simon Elliott: (1) http://www.browsing.co.uk/cat This one looks the most professional, but the Catalyst logo is not big enough, and it have no spirit. I prefer site that look radically different. Catalyst's spirit is free-form art, the Catalyst slogan is that the framework impose little rools and you get to pick your own weapons and tools. You know how sometimes people target symmetry to achieve beauty. You know how some do the opposite, break symmetry to achieve beauty, because you know its art. This is where I find Perl's spirit, and this is where I think Catalyst's spirit is. This site isn't that at all... but its pretty and professional and clean. Mark Keating: (2) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/cat_mock_web_001.png Like the picture, have the colors, maybe site one should take the picture the emphasize the catalyst logo Scott Ladzinski: (3) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/new-version-2-26.jpg (4) http://ion0.com/hx/cat/catalystSiteDesign3.jpg They seem imcomplete and too traditional Mike Whitaker: (5) http://agaton.scsys.co.uk/~matthewt/catsite/catsite-Penfold.pdf This feels more in the spirit of Catalyst, but its just not pretty ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Tutorial
Considere reading the mailist thread about the possibilities for a new book here is the link http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/catalyst/users/18157 it will give you a better idea about the state of catalyst documentation and how to find answer Good luck On Thu, May 1, 2008 at 9:17 PM, gaurav001 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello gurus, I am newb for Catalyst so forgive me if I ask stupid questions. I have Rockway's book. I followed it. All went good so far (ignore FormBuilder stuff ). Now i want to customize application. Lets say FormBuilder.render gives me submit button automatically (no idea how). But what if I want One Registration button and another Cancel Button. Also Controller file (.PM) file, how can i write my business logic. I know its perl but as I include Catalyst::Controller::FormBuilder...Anychange gives me error. Where to find tutorial for extra METHODS. CGI::FormBuilder has some really nice tutorial online. But how can I do that kind of coding in Catalyst. What should I go through now? Template-Toolkit.org and Formbuilder.org ... Then what extra steps do I need to make Navigating Site with complex Business logic. -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Tutorial-tp16994039p16994039.html Sent from the Catalyst Web Framework mailing list archive at Nabble.com. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Re: So, what do we want in the -next- book?
On Mon, Apr 28, 2008 at 7:29 AM, Jonathan Rockway [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2) Learn how to use Catalyst (read my book) Sorry to say this, but your book is not a good book! I cannot in good faith recommend it to anyone. Please consider believing the bad review your book got, because they are correct. One of the reasons we need a second book, is that because your book was so bad. People right away started asking and hoping for a second book. Please read this review: http://dave.org.uk/reviews/catalyst.html Dave is being too nice to you, blaming the publisher. The good reviews your book got where from nice people who were excited catalyst got a book, any book, doesn't matter how poorly written it is. Dont believe me: http://www.amazon.com/review/product/1847190952/ref=cm_cr_pr_helpful Your book reviews ordered by most helpful first! The bad reviews come first! ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Re: So, what do we want in the -next- book?
Books can be made big, I just checked my copy of Perl Cookbook and its almost 900 pages If there is a new Catalyst Book, I think the book can have the first 100 -150 or so pages explaining how catalyst work + some nice diagrams of how the pieces fit together + the much asked for how are subroutines attributes are use And the ramaining 800 pages can be cookbook-ish. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] So, what do we want in the -next- book?
i completly oppose another cookbook for catalyst catalyst need an indepth book that describe its design! the first book was very much a learning by example book, which is close to a cookbook and the main complain or the bad review where that, after reading the book, developers still didnt not understand how catalyst work (for exampl how subroutines attributes are used) we need a book with diagrams that exlpain the different pieces of catalyst a cookbook maybe be easier to write, but its not what i think is needed a cookbook is for people who already knows catalysts, this book trend will make catalyst a very exclusive framework only used by perl experts! On Sun, Apr 27, 2008 at 3:01 AM, Ian Sillitoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So as I said - I contacted O'Reilly to request info/submit interest in a Catalyst Cookbook/Best Practices. I've been in contact with a chap called Andy Oram who seems to be O'Reilly's Perl Guy (FWIW he also seems a nice, but very busy, guy). I was waiting for him to give me the nod before posting the following thread to the mailing list... I just had a moment to reply. You can post my reply to the mailing list--I do appreciate that you asked first. Results of my asking around are discouraging. I will try to do some more research next week, but this is a busy time for me. (I have only 6 days at home during the whole month of April.) Andy - Original Message - From: Ian Sillitoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Andy Oram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2008 4:28:34 AM (GMT-0500) America/New_York Subject: Re: Catalyst Cookbook/Best Practices Andy, Thanks for getting back to me. It would obviously be nice to see O'Reilly give Catalyst the full Best Practices treatment, however as you say, a more simple Catalyst Cookbook/Hacks book of code snippets would presumably be much easier to produce/edit and therefore more likely to happen. The Catalyst POD docs are already pretty good and will undoubtably continue to improve. However most Catalyst developers, i.e. the people that would actually fork out money (or get their employers to fork out money) to buy the book, would probably be very happy just to get the interesting snippets in lots of different case scenarios. Also, I was going to post the reply you gave on the Catalyst mailing list - but it feels a bit rude without at least asking you first - any objections? Lots of people would be really interested in any further developements so if you had a chance to update me when you hear anything, I would be really grateful. Regards, Ian -- Forwarded message -- From: Andy Oram [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Wed, Apr 16, 2008 at 11:46 PM Subject: Catalyst Cookbook/Best Practices To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I just had a moment to reply to your request for a Catalyst Cookbook, which was forwarded to me because I edit most of our Perl books now. I appreciate your contacting us, and I'll ask the Stonehenge trainers as well as the many O'Reilly employees who are heavily involved in Perl development. Unfortunately, it's very hard to make money on books about Web frameworks. Even the Rails market, which used to be very good, is weakening. Basically, the success of the open source movement makes book publishing difficult. There are lots of competing frameworks and languages. There are core groups of excited users for each one, but rarely do they add up to a market for a book. But we'll see what our Perl contacts say. The idea of bypassing the tutorial and writing a cookbook is appealing. On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Ian Sillitoe [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Apr 3, 2008 at 10:36 PM, Pierre Moret [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Jon wrote: [...] Or like others have suggested, a cookbook with a large variety of useful examples showing best practices for different situations. That's exactly what I would like to see. I got the first book (thanks!) and would buy such a cookbook immediately. Seconded... and, like one of the previous posters, I've also added my tuppence to (proposals@) O'Reilly (.com) suggesting they get on the case. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Re: So, what do we want in the -next- book?
Kinda opposed to popular demand,
I would like the next book to be the equivilant of the camel book
programming perl .
I would like to know how Catalyst Work, so I can better figure things
on my one, instead of the desired receipe approach of a cookbook
I would like to learn the concepts behind catalyst.
I documentation if not great in this area, and I read the TOC and free
sample chapter of the first book, and it also seem to follow a receip
approach telling me the steps, but not explain in enough detail how
things work? and why?
So I want a theory and concept book, and I promise to buy it!
On Fri, Apr 4, 2008 at 6:22 PM, Lance A. Brown [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Ash Berlin said the following on 4/4/2008 8:37 AM:
Moose is in there for InstancePerContext, so that you can do:
$c-model('File')-cd('foo/bar');
$c-model('File'')-slurp('file.txt');
to access the contents of $configured_root_dir/foo/bar/file.txt.
I could have written the ACCEPT_CONTEXT sub myself, but DRY and all that.
And I'd like to say a nice public Thank You! for writing C::M::File. It
made an app I'm writing much easier. :-)
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Re: [Catalyst] CatalystSites.org
أنا بكلم عربي كويس عشان أنا مصري :P On Sun, Apr 6, 2008 at 2:26 PM, Marcus Ramberg [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ty chego raspizdelsia po-russki, suka? :D Marcus On 2. april. 2008, at 19.17, Oleg Pronin wrote: ti che raspizdilsya po-nemetski, suka ? 2008/4/2, Ulf Lenski [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hallo Ulrich, ich habe, dein Einverständnis vorausgesetzt, unsere pspf-app mal auf der unten genannten Seite veröffentlicht. http://drs.dife.de/ könnte dort doch auch gelistet werden? Wollen wir uns bei Gelegenheit mal wieder treffen? bis bald - ulf. Stephen Sykes schrieb: Hello Friends, For the past few days I have been putting together a site for listings of websites driven by the Catalyst MVC framework. The site idea was born out of a discussion on the list here a few weeks ago regarding a lack of any definitive list of sites based on the Catalyst MVC framework. Well, today I would like to announce the site launch. I hope everyone finds the site to their liking and can find the time to register and post their Catalyst driven websites. Note: I am also planning to release the source code for the site via subversion/trac as soon as I get a couple more admin features finished. So if anyone is interested in helping with the site code we can do this under version control, a sort of community driven project if you will. URL: http://www.catalystsites.org Kind Regards, Stephen Sykes ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] failed to install Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap on strawberry perl
i failed to install Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap on strawberry perl on windows here is the install attempt output basically i am installing all the modules necessary for trying the tutorial in catalyst docs this module is one those CPAN Terminal install Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap Installing Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap (0.05) Running [C:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe C:\strawberry\perl\bin\cpanp-run-perl.bat C:\DOCUME~1\Ali\APPLIC~1\CPANPL~1\ 510~1.0\build\Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-FastMmap-0.05\Makefile.PL ]... Warning: prerequisite Cache::FastMmap 1.13 not found. Writing Makefile for Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap Module 'Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap' requires 'Cache::FastMmap' to be installed If you don't wish to see this question anymore you can disable it by entering the following commands on the prompt: 's conf prereqs 1; s save' Should I install this module? [Y/n]: y Running [C:\strawberry\perl\bin\perl.exe C:\strawberry\perl\bin\cpanp-run-perl.bat C:\DOCUME~1\Ali\APPLIC~1\CPANPL~1\ 510~1.0\build\Cache-FastMmap-1.25\Makefile.PL ]... Writing Makefile for Cache::FastMmap::CImpl Writing Makefile for Cache::FastMmap [ERROR] MAKE failed: Bad file descriptor [ERROR] Unable to create a new distribution object for 'Cache::FastMmap' -- cannot continue [ERROR] Failed to install 'Cache::FastMmap' as prerequisite for 'Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap' [ERROR] Unable to satisfy prerequisites for 'Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap' -- aborting install [ERROR] Unable to create a new distribution object for 'Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap' -- cannot continue *** Install log written to: C:\Documents and Settings\Ali\Application Data\.cpanplus\install-logs\Catalyst-Plugin-Session-Store-FastMmap-0.05-1 205933004.log Error installing 'Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap' Problem installing one or more modules *** You can view the complete error buffer by pressing 'p' *** CPAN Terminal p [MSG] [Wed Mar 19 15:23:19 2008] Module 'Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap' requires 'Cache::FastMmap' version '1.13' to be installed [HISTORY] [Wed Mar 19 15:23:21 2008] Should I install this module? [Y/n]: y [ERROR] [Wed Mar 19 15:23:24 2008] MAKE failed: Bad file descriptor [ERROR] [Wed Mar 19 15:23:24 2008] Unable to create a new distribution object for 'Cache::FastMmap' -- cannot continue [ERROR] [Wed Mar 19 15:23:24 2008] Failed to install 'Cache::FastMmap' as prerequisite for 'Catalyst::Plugin::Session::S tore::FastMmap' [ERROR] [Wed Mar 19 15:23:24 2008] Unable to satisfy prerequisites for 'Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::FastMmap' -- a borting install [ERROR] [Wed Mar 19 15:23:24 2008] Unable to create a new distribution object for 'Catalyst::Plugin::Session::Store::Fas tMmap' -- cannot continue CPAN Terminal ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] failed to install DBIx::Class
I tried to install DBIx::Class but it failed I run windows and Strawberry Perl 5.10 Here are the last few lines I got from running cpan install DBIx::Class I know this might not be the right place to ask this question, but I don't know where else to ask the strawberry perl, only have the download links and nothing else! Test Summary Report --- t/81transactions.t (Wstat: 65280 Tests: 54 Failed: 0) Non-zero exit status: 255 Parse errors: Bad plan. You planned 67 tests but ran 54. Files=106, Tests=2436, 183 wallclock secs ( 1.06 usr + 0.39 sys = 1.45 CPU) Result: FAIL Failed 1/106 test programs. 0/2436 subtests failed. dmake.EXE: Error code 255, while making 'test_dynamic' ASH/DBIx-Class-0.08010.tar.gz C:\strawberry\c\bin\dmake.EXE test -- NOT OK //hint// to see the cpan-testers results for installing this module, try: reports ASH/DBIx-Class-0.08010.tar.gz Running make install make test had returned bad status, won't install without force Failed during this command: ASH/DBIx-Class-0.08010.tar.gz: make_test NO ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Can I install the catalyst manual from cpan?
If yes how? I just recently started using the Strawberry Perl distribution, so I am new to CPAN too! I tried Catalyst::Manual and Catalayst-Manual but I get - ... Warning: Cannot install Catalyst-Manual, don't know what it is. Try the command i /Catalyst-Manual/ to find objects with matching identifiers. Of course i /Catalyst-Manual/ finds nothing! I want to be able to browse the docs offline, so I don't insist on downloading the docs from cpan, if anyone have an html of pdf download for the docs, it will do :) thank you ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] So, what do we want in the -next- book?
I just want to suggest, since soon Catalyst will move to a new wiki, why not celebrate the opportunity, by improving the documentation. I was personally always ... mmm... not sure how to describe this always surprised/annoyed ... that beside the documentation we always needed a book! For commercial software I always thought of its as a conspiracy with the book publishers to make us buy books, specially since many software companies are also book publisher (MS Press), and you can add to this the scheme of certification and courses and things like oracle university kinda like extortion. I was kinda saddened to see that this was kinda true for Perl, the Perl documentation large parts of it are from the Perl Programming book by Larry Wall and others, and the documentation also in many place suggest that you need the book for more details. Okay the Perl documentation is huge and I probably don't need more detail, plus the book also reference the manual, so in a way, they were built to complement each other anyway its strongly suggested you need the book! The web, blogs, wikis are a great way to publish knowledge, we really dont need more books, we more knowledge, more documented knowledge, more documentation. Books are just a way to make money, money makers, that is exploting the weakness in the online documentation. So please, don't be an extortionist, don't make a book ... write a wiki page in the new wiki! All we really need are more pages on wiki not a book! But if you insist on writing a book, make a free online version, if you have found Catalyst useless, this could be something you are doing for Catalyst, like returning a favor or something. :) Just my thoughts On Sat, Mar 8, 2008 at 6:11 PM, Matt S Trout [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, Feb 23, 2008 at 09:25:07PM +0300, Alex Povolotsky wrote: Matt S Trout wrote: Since a fair few of you will now have John's book, I figured it was time to ask what you'd want from a second book. I guess the existing one provides a pretty good tutorial style, so we should be looking at something more in-depth / intermediate to advanced. What do you guys think? 1. Using bases with transactions and without auto-commit. 2. Just simple link to nginx as a solution for memory/load balance problems I think any deployment section should touch on as many somewhat-common webservers as possible briefly, but there are many competitors in that space and I'm not interested in advocacy of a specific one. -- Matt S Trout Need help with your Catalyst or DBIx::Class project? Technical Directorhttp://www.shadowcat.co.uk/catalyst/ Shadowcat Systems Ltd. Want a managed development or deployment platform? http://chainsawblues.vox.com/http://www.shadowcat.co.uk/servers/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] The home page, the wiki and the mailing list
First I would like to apologize if I came up as mean or disrespectful to anyone. It was not my intention to be rude. It would be nice thought if next to the quoted names you would add references to why I should listen to them, since for many they are not familiar names. Finally, I am really excited that the site will move to a catalyst based wiki. Hopefully the ticket system will also switch to something Catalyst based or at least Perl based (like OTRS). Best regards, Ali M. On Fri, Mar 7, 2008 at 8:24 PM, demerphq [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 07/03/2008, Ali M. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just want to draw the attention or to ask, Why is the wiki so poorly maintained, the list of sites and projects using catalyst is really umimpressive, are those really all the project using catalyst? The thing is, from the traffic I see on this mailing list, I really doubt it, and I really wish that these sites and project listed on the wiki are not representative. I even visited the NetHorus link from this wiki and beside the fact that this seems like a very small one man show project, the author converged to using RoR because in his own words Catalyst and DBIx::Class is proving too difficult for me to code, resulting in a lack of progress and the danger of de-motivation Yes, thats not brilliant advertising is it :-) Is catalyst being implemented in more serious place, can someone post better links and stories, even the ones on the front page sound ...well ...i wont say not to sound mean ... but totaly dope!!! ... really. And who are these people quoted, I googled one or two of them, they are not major contributors to big FOSS project and they dont work for large enterprise, why are they quoted!! Catalyst is a Perl framework, and within the perl community those people are well known. If you are trying to suggest that they should find some celebrity hackers from outside the community to give endorsements then you might have a point, but you certainly could have a more diplomatic way to express it. And frankly within the Perl community the merits of a recommendation from someone working for large enterprise will be judged almost entirely on who they are and not who they work for. Yves -- perl -Mre=debug -e /just|another|perl|hacker/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
