Re: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
So I tried to look at the source of the test that failed, and I'm not sure I even understand what it is doing. Here's the actual error message I'm getting: t/01useok t/02podskipped: set TEST_POD to enable this test t/03podcoverageskipped: Test::Pod::Coverage 1.04 required t/04ssl1/15 # Failed test 'redirect uri ok' # at t/04ssl.t line 43. # got: 'http://localhost:443/ssl/unsecured' # expected: 'http://localhost/ssl/unsecured' # Failed test 'redirect with params ok' # at t/04ssl.t line 47. # got: 'http://localhost:443/ssl/unsecured?a=1a=2b=3c=4' # expected: 'http://localhost/ssl/unsecured?a=1a=2b=3c=4' # Looks like you failed 2 tests of 15. t/04ssl Dubious, test returned 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) Failed 2/15 subtests t/05ssl_host...ok t/06remain_in_ssl..ok The top error came from: 40 # test redirect back to http mode 41 ok( $res = request('https://localhost/ssl/unsecured'), 'request ok' ); 42 is( $res-code, 302, 'redirect back to http ok' ); 43 is( $res-header('location'), 'http://localhost/ssl/unsecured', 'redirect uri ok' ); So I'm guessing that line #41 is trying to request a secure action that would normally redirect you back to an insecure place. This jives, because it is requesting an HTTPS URL. However, If I am right, then why is it considered a failure to end up on a non-secure URL? I guess I don't understand what these tests are doing. -d Those don't make sense to anyone else, either, right? I mean, if you are going to request a URL from port 443, Dustin Suchter wrote: So I like the idea of the plugin, but I'm having a hard time installing it. I found one hit on the Internet that with a report of someone else having the exact same problem as me, but I don't see the solution online: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cpan.testers/2007/09/msg631733.html Any ideas? Byron Young wrote: -Original Message- From: Dustin Suchter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:13 PM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect Let's say I want to send people back and forth between an HTTP connection and an HTTPS connection on a server based on some action. For example, clicking on a logout button from within my application while connected via HTTPS does something like: $c-res-redirect(http://foo.com/;); The above seems like a fine solution except it totally disregards the beauty of uri_for, which I would love to be using for stuff like this. Without uri_for, problems arise when you do things like test via the built in Perl webserver (the one running on port 3000 by default) while on the same webserver as my production application. So the real question is, how do I properly refer to my webserver and/or application root and include port or SSL flags? I guess I'm looking for something like $0 within uri_for. -d Hey Dustin, There's actually a neat plugin for doing this called Catalyst::Plugin::RequireSSL. You just include it in your plugins and then call $c-require_ssl() at the top of any actions you want to use SSL for. It will disable itself automatically on the test server, too. Cheers, Byron ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
RE: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
-Original Message- From: Dustin Suchter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:44 PM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect So I tried to look at the source of the test that failed, and I'm not sure I even understand what it is doing. Here's the actual error message I'm getting: t/01useok t/02podskipped: set TEST_POD to enable this test t/03podcoverageskipped: Test::Pod::Coverage 1.04 required t/04ssl1/15 # Failed test 'redirect uri ok' # at t/04ssl.t line 43. # got: 'http://localhost:443/ssl/unsecured' # expected: 'http://localhost/ssl/unsecured' # Failed test 'redirect with params ok' # at t/04ssl.t line 47. # got: 'http://localhost:443/ssl/unsecured?a=1a=2b=3c=4' # expected: 'http://localhost/ssl/unsecured?a=1a=2b=3c=4' # Looks like you failed 2 tests of 15. t/04ssl Dubious, test returned 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) Failed 2/15 subtests t/05ssl_host...ok t/06remain_in_ssl..ok The top error came from: 40 # test redirect back to http mode 41 ok( $res = request('https://localhost/ssl/unsecured'), 'request ok' ); 42 is( $res-code, 302, 'redirect back to http ok' ); 43 is( $res-header('location'), 'http://localhost/ssl/unsecured', 'redirect uri ok' ); So I'm guessing that line #41 is trying to request a secure action that would normally redirect you back to an insecure place. This jives, because it is requesting an HTTPS URL. However, If I am right, then why is it considered a failure to end up on a non- secure URL? I guess I don't understand what these tests are doing. -d Those don't make sense to anyone else, either, right? I mean, if you are going to request a URL from port 443, Heh, you know, I think I force installed that plugin because those test results looked like false negatives. It has been working fine for me, though. I probably should have investigated it more, but I just went with it and never looked back. I'm going to be installing a bunch of the catalyst modules on another server this week, so I'll let you know if I run into the same thing again, and I'll try to look into it if I have time. Byron Dustin Suchter wrote: So I like the idea of the plugin, but I'm having a hard time installing it. I found one hit on the Internet that with a report of someone else having the exact same problem as me, but I don't see the solution online: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cpan.testers/2007/09/msg631733. html Any ideas? Byron Young wrote: -Original Message- From: Dustin Suchter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:13 PM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect Let's say I want to send people back and forth between an HTTP connection and an HTTPS connection on a server based on some action. For example, clicking on a logout button from within my application while connected via HTTPS does something like: $c-res-redirect(http://foo.com/;); The above seems like a fine solution except it totally disregards the beauty of uri_for, which I would love to be using for stuff like this. Without uri_for, problems arise when you do things like test via the built in Perl webserver (the one running on port 3000 by default) while on the same webserver as my production application. So the real question is, how do I properly refer to my webserver and/or application root and include port or SSL flags? I guess I'm looking for something like $0 within uri_for. -d Hey Dustin, There's actually a neat plugin for doing this called Catalyst::Plugin::RequireSSL. You just include it in your plugins and then call $c-require_ssl() at the top of any actions you want to use SSL for. It will disable itself automatically on the test server, too. Cheers, Byron ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi- bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi- bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
Nice. I'm pretty sure they are false negatives too. I'll try a force install and see how it goes when I start actually using the plugin. -d Byron Young wrote: -Original Message- From: Dustin Suchter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2008 5:44 PM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: Re: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect So I tried to look at the source of the test that failed, and I'm not sure I even understand what it is doing. Here's the actual error message I'm getting: t/01useok t/02podskipped: set TEST_POD to enable this test t/03podcoverageskipped: Test::Pod::Coverage 1.04 required t/04ssl1/15 # Failed test 'redirect uri ok' # at t/04ssl.t line 43. # got: 'http://localhost:443/ssl/unsecured' # expected: 'http://localhost/ssl/unsecured' # Failed test 'redirect with params ok' # at t/04ssl.t line 47. # got: 'http://localhost:443/ssl/unsecured?a=1a=2b=3c=4' # expected: 'http://localhost/ssl/unsecured?a=1a=2b=3c=4' # Looks like you failed 2 tests of 15. t/04ssl Dubious, test returned 2 (wstat 512, 0x200) Failed 2/15 subtests t/05ssl_host...ok t/06remain_in_ssl..ok The top error came from: 40 # test redirect back to http mode 41 ok( $res = request('https://localhost/ssl/unsecured'), 'request ok' ); 42 is( $res-code, 302, 'redirect back to http ok' ); 43 is( $res-header('location'), 'http://localhost/ssl/unsecured', 'redirect uri ok' ); So I'm guessing that line #41 is trying to request a secure action that would normally redirect you back to an insecure place. This jives, because it is requesting an HTTPS URL. However, If I am right, then why is it considered a failure to end up on a non- secure URL? I guess I don't understand what these tests are doing. -d Those don't make sense to anyone else, either, right? I mean, if you are going to request a URL from port 443, Heh, you know, I think I force installed that plugin because those test results looked like false negatives. It has been working fine for me, though. I probably should have investigated it more, but I just went with it and never looked back. I'm going to be installing a bunch of the catalyst modules on another server this week, so I'll let you know if I run into the same thing again, and I'll try to look into it if I have time. Byron Dustin Suchter wrote: So I like the idea of the plugin, but I'm having a hard time installing it. I found one hit on the Internet that with a report of someone else having the exact same problem as me, but I don't see the solution online: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cpan.testers/2007/09/msg631733. html Any ideas? Byron Young wrote: -Original Message- From: Dustin Suchter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:13 PM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect Let's say I want to send people back and forth between an HTTP connection and an HTTPS connection on a server based on some action. For example, clicking on a logout button from within my application while connected via HTTPS does something like: $c-res-redirect(http://foo.com/;); The above seems like a fine solution except it totally disregards the beauty of uri_for, which I would love to be using for stuff like this. Without uri_for, problems arise when you do things like test via the built in Perl webserver (the one running on port 3000 by default) while on the same webserver as my production application. So the real question is, how do I properly refer to my webserver and/or application root and include port or SSL flags? I guess I'm looking for something like $0 within uri_for. -d Hey Dustin, There's actually a neat plugin for doing this called Catalyst::Plugin::RequireSSL. You just include it in your plugins and then call $c-require_ssl() at the top of any actions you want to use SSL for. It will disable itself automatically on the test server, too. Cheers, Byron ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi- bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi- bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail- archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List
Re: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Dustin Suchter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I like the idea of the plugin, but I'm having a hard time installing it. I found one hit on the Internet that with a report of someone else having the exact same problem as me, but I don't see the solution online: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cpan.testers/2007/09/msg631733.html The changelog for Catalyst-Runtime includes the following, for v5.7011: Fixed bug where req-base and req-uri would include a port number when running in SSL mode. If you're running a version prior to 5.7011, try upgrading. If that fixes the failing tests, then post back here. It may be the case that the version requirement in RequireSSL just needs to be bumped. -A -- Adam Herzog Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
That seems to have fixed the problem. Excellent catch! I had Catalyst::Runtime version 5.7010 so I used CPAN to upgrade that package which brought me up to 5.7012. I don't know of a nice clean way to remove a package you've installed with CPAN, but it was easy enough to just run 'test Catalyst::Plugin::RequireSSL' and see that it passed test #4 this time around. -d Adam Herzog wrote: On Thu, Mar 27, 2008 at 2:37 AM, Dustin Suchter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: So I like the idea of the plugin, but I'm having a hard time installing it. I found one hit on the Internet that with a report of someone else having the exact same problem as me, but I don't see the solution online: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cpan.testers/2007/09/msg631733.html The changelog for Catalyst-Runtime includes the following, for v5.7011: Fixed bug where req-base and req-uri would include a port number when running in SSL mode. If you're running a version prior to 5.7011, try upgrading. If that fixes the failing tests, then post back here. It may be the case that the version requirement in RequireSSL just needs to be bumped. -A ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
So I like the idea of the plugin, but I'm having a hard time installing it. I found one hit on the Internet that with a report of someone else having the exact same problem as me, but I don't see the solution online: http://www.nntp.perl.org/group/perl.cpan.testers/2007/09/msg631733.html Any ideas? Byron Young wrote: -Original Message- From: Dustin Suchter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:13 PM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect Let's say I want to send people back and forth between an HTTP connection and an HTTPS connection on a server based on some action. For example, clicking on a logout button from within my application while connected via HTTPS does something like: $c-res-redirect(http://foo.com/;); The above seems like a fine solution except it totally disregards the beauty of uri_for, which I would love to be using for stuff like this. Without uri_for, problems arise when you do things like test via the built in Perl webserver (the one running on port 3000 by default) while on the same webserver as my production application. So the real question is, how do I properly refer to my webserver and/or application root and include port or SSL flags? I guess I'm looking for something like $0 within uri_for. -d Hey Dustin, There's actually a neat plugin for doing this called Catalyst::Plugin::RequireSSL. You just include it in your plugins and then call $c-require_ssl() at the top of any actions you want to use SSL for. It will disable itself automatically on the test server, too. Cheers, Byron ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
[Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
Let's say I want to send people back and forth between an HTTP connection and an HTTPS connection on a server based on some action. For example, clicking on a logout button from within my application while connected via HTTPS does something like: $c-res-redirect(http://foo.com/;); The above seems like a fine solution except it totally disregards the beauty of uri_for, which I would love to be using for stuff like this. Without uri_for, problems arise when you do things like test via the built in Perl webserver (the one running on port 3000 by default) while on the same webserver as my production application. So the real question is, how do I properly refer to my webserver and/or application root and include port or SSL flags? I guess I'm looking for something like $0 within uri_for. -d ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
Can you directly control the port you redirect to? Part of my problem is having consistency between the production and test environments, which operate on 80/443 and 3000/3000 respectively. -d Ashley wrote: There are two approaches which have helped me. Remember the URI object underneath can be your friend. 1) Keep things relative. $c-uri_for(/blah)-path $c-uri_for(/blah)-path_query 2) Change the scheme yourself. my $uri = $c-uri_for(/blah); $uri-scheme( $my_test ? http : https ); -Ashley On Mar 26, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Dustin Suchter wrote: Let's say I want to send people back and forth between an HTTP connection and an HTTPS connection on a server based on some action. For example, clicking on a logout button from within my application while connected via HTTPS does something like: $c-res-redirect(http://foo.com/;); The above seems like a fine solution except it totally disregards the beauty of uri_for, which I would love to be using for stuff like this. Without uri_for, problems arise when you do things like test via the built in Perl webserver (the one running on port 3000 by default) while on the same webserver as my production application. So the real question is, how do I properly refer to my webserver and/or application root and include port or SSL flags? I guess I'm looking for something like $0 within uri_for. -d ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
RE: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
-Original Message- From: Dustin Suchter [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2008 1:13 PM To: The elegant MVC web framework Subject: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect Let's say I want to send people back and forth between an HTTP connection and an HTTPS connection on a server based on some action. For example, clicking on a logout button from within my application while connected via HTTPS does something like: $c-res-redirect(http://foo.com/;); The above seems like a fine solution except it totally disregards the beauty of uri_for, which I would love to be using for stuff like this. Without uri_for, problems arise when you do things like test via the built in Perl webserver (the one running on port 3000 by default) while on the same webserver as my production application. So the real question is, how do I properly refer to my webserver and/or application root and include port or SSL flags? I guess I'm looking for something like $0 within uri_for. -d Hey Dustin, There's actually a neat plugin for doing this called Catalyst::Plugin::RequireSSL. You just include it in your plugins and then call $c-require_ssl() at the top of any actions you want to use SSL for. It will disable itself automatically on the test server, too. Cheers, Byron ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
On Mar 26, 2008, at 1:31 PM, Dustin Suchter wrote: Can you directly control the port you redirect to? Part of my problem is having consistency between the production and test environments, which operate on 80/443 and 3000/3000 respectively. Don't see why not. Just add in $c-config magick or whatnot as necessary. perldoc URI use URI; my $u = URI-new(http://example.com;); print $u, $/; $u-port(3000); $u-scheme(https); print $u, $/; -Ashley ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Usage of $c-uri_for and $c-res-redirect
$c-uri_for pulls it's base path from $c-req-base. Quoting the documentation in the code: If your application was queried with the URI Chttp://localhost:3000/some/path then Cbase is Chttp://localhost:3000/ . So, setting $c-req-base to your new base would do the trick for you I think. You would just do $c-req-base('http://www.mysite.tld:443') I'm sure they're are other ways to do this too. On Wed, Mar 26, 2008 at 4:31 PM, Dustin Suchter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Can you directly control the port you redirect to? Part of my problem is having consistency between the production and test environments, which operate on 80/443 and 3000/3000 respectively. -d Ashley wrote: There are two approaches which have helped me. Remember the URI object underneath can be your friend. 1) Keep things relative. $c-uri_for(/blah)-path $c-uri_for(/blah)-path_query 2) Change the scheme yourself. my $uri = $c-uri_for(/blah); $uri-scheme( $my_test ? http : https ); -Ashley On Mar 26, 2008, at 1:13 PM, Dustin Suchter wrote: Let's say I want to send people back and forth between an HTTP connection and an HTTPS connection on a server based on some action. For example, clicking on a logout button from within my application while connected via HTTPS does something like: $c-res-redirect(http://foo.com/;); The above seems like a fine solution except it totally disregards the beauty of uri_for, which I would love to be using for stuff like this. Without uri_for, problems arise when you do things like test via the built in Perl webserver (the one running on port 3000 by default) while on the same webserver as my production application. So the real question is, how do I properly refer to my webserver and/or application root and include port or SSL flags? I guess I'm looking for something like $0 within uri_for. -d ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ -- do() || do_not(); // try() Catapultam habeo. Nisi pecuniam omnem mihi dabis, ad caput tuum saxum immane mittam http://www.kylehultman.com ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/