Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst 5.8: the Perl MVC Framework - Packt Publishing
I agree with Kieren's assessment. Though I did not read the Packt book, the Apress one sits on my desk as we speak (kind of). If I - people like me who are evaluating Catalyst for *real* web applications - am the intended audience, then I'm sure the interludes about design philosophy, management, and so forth will be welcome. These types of comments are largely missing in most technical books. Great job - can't wait for V2 Steve On 8/1/2010 5:47 PM, Kieren Diment wrote: On 02/08/2010, at 4:04 AM, kevin montuori wrote: If you're looking for a good -- but becoming outdated -- book, the Apress book is a better choice. To be fair the only think I can think of that's becoming outdated about the Apress book is a lack of discussion of Moose Roles. And probably that the Reaction chapter should be replaced with a discussion of the form processor libraries available. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 9.0.851 / Virus Database: 271.1.1/3044 - Release Date: 08/01/10 14:40:00 ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst 5.8: the Perl MVC Framework - Packt Publishing
On 1 Aug 2010, at 18:08, Roderick A. Anderson wrote: I'm always in the market for dead tree or captured electron media but I don't remember seeing any posts on the list by the author -- Antano Solar John. Got a copy on its way, so should be able to say something about it in a couple of weeks (which may not be helpful if you were offered a time-limited discount as an upgrade from the previous Packt book). Nigel. -- [ Nigel Metheringham nigel.methering...@intechnology.com ] [ - Comments in this message are my own and not ITO opinion/policy - ] ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst 5.8: the Perl MVC Framework - Packt Publishing
On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Roderick A. Anderson raand...@cyber-office.net wrote: I'm always in the market for dead tree or captured electron media but I don't remember seeing any posts on the list by the author -- Antano Solar John. Has anyone reviewed this book? Familiar with the author? The 1st edition wasn't at all bad, aside from the absolutely awful editing job and useless index. A quick read through the 2nd edition seems to be much mostly the same with a new chapter on Moose. I upgraded the book hoping the Moose bits would be informative. They might be, but only if you're very new to Moose. there are no deep insights to be found. The editing and layout (at least of the etext) is worse -- I honestly didn't think that was possible; the index appears unchanged. If you're looking for a good -- but becoming outdated -- book, the Apress book is a better choice. Honestly, this'll be the last time I buy anything from Packt. They have very promising titles (and the 1st ed of the Catalyst book was informative and clueful, I mean no disrespect to the author) but the publishing part of the equation is shabby, at least in a world where Apress, ORA, AW, c. books are so well done. Something as seemingly simple as consistent capitalization appears beyond Packt's reach. All things told, I wouldn't recommend it. k. -- kevin montuori ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst 5.8: the Perl MVC Framework - Packt Publishing
kevin montuori wrote: On Sun, Aug 1, 2010 at 1:08 PM, Roderick A. Anderson raand...@cyber-office.net wrote: I'm always in the market for dead tree or captured electron media but I don't remember seeing any posts on the list by the author -- Antano Solar John. Has anyone reviewed this book? Familiar with the author? The 1st edition wasn't at all bad, aside from the absolutely awful editing job and useless index. A quick read through the 2nd edition seems to be much mostly the same with a new chapter on Moose. I upgraded the book hoping the Moose bits would be informative. They might be, but only if you're very new to Moose. there are no deep insights to be found. The editing and layout (at least of the etext) is worse -- I honestly didn't think that was possible; the index appears unchanged. If you're looking for a good -- but becoming outdated -- book, the Apress book is a better choice. Honestly, this'll be the last time I buy anything from Packt. They have very promising titles (and the 1st ed of the Catalyst book was informative and clueful, I mean no disrespect to the author) but the publishing part of the equation is shabby, at least in a world where Apress, ORA, AW, c. books are so well done. Something as seemingly simple as consistent capitalization appears beyond Packt's reach. All things told, I wouldn't recommend it. Thanks Kevin and Nigel. I have both the first edition of the Packt book and the Apress one. Both of them were useful. I was concerned because the last Packt ebook I bought was mostly a rehash of the online documentation (which left a lot to be desired) and the last dead tree book from Packt was not all that great. I'll forgo the new version. \\||/ Rod -- ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst 5.8: the Perl MVC Framework - Packt Publishing
On 02/08/2010, at 4:04 AM, kevin montuori wrote: If you're looking for a good -- but becoming outdated -- book, the Apress book is a better choice. To be fair the only think I can think of that's becoming outdated about the Apress book is a lack of discussion of Moose Roles. And probably that the Reaction chapter should be replaced with a discussion of the form processor libraries available. ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
Re: [Catalyst] Catalyst 5.8: the Perl MVC Framework - Packt Publishing
Kieren Diment wrote: On 02/08/2010, at 4:04 AM, kevin montuori wrote: If you're looking for a good -- but becoming outdated -- book, the Apress book is a better choice. To be fair the only think I can think of that's becoming outdated about the Apress book is a lack of discussion of Moose Roles. And probably that the Reaction chapter should be replaced with a discussion of the form processor libraries available. Maybe we should contact the publisher and authors about when a second revision is coming out. :-) \\||/ Rod -- ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/ ___ List: Catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk Listinfo: http://lists.scsys.co.uk/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/catalyst Searchable archive: http://www.mail-archive.com/catalyst@lists.scsys.co.uk/ Dev site: http://dev.catalyst.perl.org/
