Re:[cayugabirds-l] CBC and hunting pressure

[Laura Stenzler]

I'll stick my neck out and resurect the suggestion that we change our Christmas 
count date. It would be great to add the many students and holiday travelers to 
our group of counters. Maybe the second or third Saturday of December.

Laura

Laura Stenzler
l...@cornell.edu

On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:52 PM, "Dave Nutter" 
mailto:nutter.d...@me.com>> wrote:

Perhaps the line of fire & proximity of people & buildings was the reason the 
DEC police called in the gunners who were in the SW corner of the lake tied to 
a tree along the shore of Treman. I saw in the background 2 adults and a child 
on the beach of the west shore, associated with the first house, a large new 
one.

I'd like to petition the DEC to have the south end of the lake, say the portion 
within the City of Ithaca, which does not allow firing guns, off limits to 
hunting.

--Dave Nutter

On Dec 29, 2013, at 08:47 PM, Anne Clark 
mailto:anneb.cl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It sounds as if some of these folks might be illegally close to buildings, 
although I suppose they argue that their guns are pointing down the lake.  On 
the other hand, in the park area, trails and inlets make a complex problem for 
claiming that nothing could be in the line of fire when shooting at ducks 
flying in and over.  Do they really stop firing when the ducks swing toward 
shore?

Per the DEC hunting regulations

Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm?
Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of any school, 
playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot discharge a firearm or bow 
within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building, or structure unless you own it, 
lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or have the 
owner's consent. This does not apply to the discharge of a shotgun over water 
when hunting migratory game birds and no dwelling, public structure, livestock, 
or person is in the line of fire.

On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:

I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this 
morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much hunting pressure at the 
south end of the lake. I want to say clearly that I am not against legal duck 
hunting in well managed areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird Stamp to support 
wetland conservation), but what is going on this year does not seem to be 
sustainable or an appropriate use of such a large public space. Boats with 
hunters and decoys were anchored right under the trees at the Swan Pen at 
Stewart Park, at the tip of the red lighthouse jetty, at the wooden buoy 
marker, on the beach at Hogs Hole, and along East Shore -- yesterday there was 
an additional boat cruising the center of the lake to chase duck flocks. 
Needless to say there was not a single spot for ducks to rest safely anywhere 
in the southern quarter-mile or so of Cayuga Lake (and probably north past 
Myer's Point as well), and any flock that circled around over the south end of 
the lake (no matter how high) was shot at. I don't know if DEC would consider 
that proper management of this important waterfowl wintering area. This seemed 
pretty different from the past few years when a few hunters kept the duck 
flocks moving around but there was plenty of place for them to rest -- notably 
along the Stewart Park shoreline, which was not available today.

This activity will undoubtedly affect the numbers of waterfowl on this year's 
Christmas Bird Count on Wednesday (wasn't much to count today). If this trend 
continues in future years, I strongly recommend that the Cayuga Bird Club move 
its count to the days prior to the late hunting season  -- this slight straying 
from "tradition" will probably yield more accurate numbers of local waterfowl 
populations.

In spite of the hunting, I did manage to see a few distant LONG-TAILED DUCKS 
and a single WHITE-WINGED SCOTER far to the north of East Shore Park, and a 
flock of 12 RUDDY DUCKS, along with HORNED and PIED-BIILED GREBES, COMMON LOON, 
and 3 DOUBLE-CRESTED CORMORANTS -- all decent CBC birds if they can hang in 
there. There were also TUNDRA SWANS around this morning -- 2 on the ice at 
Stewart Park east end when I arrived, and a flock of 40-50 in the center of the 
lake way out. Later in the morning, as I was scouting around the Farmers Market 
and Community Gardens, several small flocks of swans passed over Ithaca heading 
south.

Yesterday, at Taughannock Falls State Park, there were 2 (MYRTLE) YELLOW-RUMPED 
WARBLERS with chickadees at the lakeshore near the south end of the park.

Let's hope some birds survive the next deep freeze,

KEN


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Cornell Lab of Ornithology
607-254-2412
607-342-4594 (cell)
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[Linda Orkin]

The opinion that follows is strictly my own and does not reflect any official 
position of the Cayuga Bird Club. Although I wish it did. 

I will not be one of the ones that says I have nothing against hunting because 
I do, sorry. 

But even if I thought hunting was a great thing, I feel it is totally bizarre 
to have this slaughter, harassment and disregard for life going on right INSIDE 
our own city limits in a public park where any and all are exposed to this 
carnage and risk.  

I am attaching a link to the article that Jane Graves discovered and published 
in our October newsletter re:the imposition of waterfowl hunting  in 1933. Too 
bad it was ever started. I would support Dave's suggestion to petition the DEC 
to rescind this permission at the south end of the lake. 

http://cayugabirdclub.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-note-from-past.html

Have a great count day on January 1. There's still time to sign up if you'd 
like. Email me. 

Linda Orkin


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> On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
> 
> Perhaps the line of fire & proximity of people & buildings was the reason the 
> DEC police called in the gunners who were in the SW corner of the lake tied 
> to a tree along the shore of Treman. I saw in the background 2 adults and a 
> child on the beach of the west shore, associated with the first house, a 
> large new one. 
> 
> I'd like to petition the DEC to have the south end of the lake, say the 
> portion within the City of Ithaca, which does not allow firing guns, off 
> limits to hunting. 
> --Dave Nutter
> 
>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 08:47 PM, Anne Clark  wrote:
>> 
>> It sounds as if some of these folks might be illegally close to buildings, 
>> although I suppose they argue that their guns are pointing down the lake.  
>> On the other hand, in the park area, trails and inlets make a complex 
>> problem for claiming that nothing could be in the line of fire when shooting 
>> at ducks flying in and over.  Do they really stop firing when the ducks 
>> swing toward shore?
>> 
>> Per the DEC hunting regulations
>> 
>> Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm?
>> Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of any school, 
>> playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot discharge a firearm or 
>> bow within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building, or structure unless you 
>> own it, lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or 
>> have the owner's consent. This does not apply to the discharge of a shotgun 
>> over water when hunting migratory game birds and no dwelling, public 
>> structure, livestock, or person is in the line of fire.
>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:
>>> 
>>> I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this 
>>> morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much hunting pressure at 
>>> the south end of the lake. I want to say clearly that I am not against 
>>> legal duck hunting in well managed areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird Stamp 
>>> to support wetland conservation), but what is going on this year does not 
>>> seem to be sustainable or an appropriate use of such a large public space. 
>>> Boats with hunters and decoys were anchored right under the trees at the 
>>> Swan Pen at Stewart Park, at the tip of the red lighthouse jetty, at the 
>>> wooden buoy marker, on the beach at Hogs Hole, and along East Shore -- 
>>> yesterday there was an additional boat cruising the center of the lake to 
>>> chase duck flocks. Needless to say there was not a single spot for ducks to 
>>> rest safely anywhere in the southern quarter-mile or so of Cayuga Lake (and 
>>> probably north past Myer's Point as well), and any flock that circled 
>>> around over the south end of the lake (no matter how high) was shot at. I 
>>> don't know if DEC would consider that proper management of this important 
>>> waterfowl wintering area. This seemed pretty different from the past few 
>>> years when a few hunters kept the duck flocks moving around but there was 
>>> plenty of place for them to rest -- notably along the Stewart Park 
>>> shoreline, which was not available today.
>>> 
>>> This activity will undoubtedly affect the numbers of waterfowl on this 
>>> year's Christmas Bird Count on Wednesday (wasn't much to count today). If 
>>> this trend continues in future years, I strongly recommend that the Cayuga 
>>> Bird Club move its count to the days prior to the late hunting season  -- 
>>> this slight straying from "tradition" will probably yield more accurate 
>>> numbers of local waterfowl populations.
>>> 
>>> In spite of the hunting, I did manage to see a few distant LONG-TAILED 
>>> DUCKS and a single WHITE-WINGED SCOTER far to the north of East Shore Park, 
>>> and a flock of 12 RUDDY DUCKS, along with HORNED and PIED-BIILED GREBES, 
>>> COMMON LOON, and 3 DOUBLE-CRESTED CORMORANTS -- all decent CBC birds if 
>>> they can hang in there. There w

Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[John and Sue Gregoire]

If you have journeyed over to Seneca Lake you have seen the numerous duck blinds
just off shore of the park where there is precious little shallow water.
Representation was made to the state and village several years ago and I forget 
the
legalese but in layman's terms the large lakes come under state jurisdiction 
and the
DEC reading was that such hunting with blinds and decoys was quite legal despite
proximity to shoreline and docks east and west.

It would be a shame to change a traditional date for the CBC and moving may 
cause
conflicts with other counts. Why not advocate buying duck and habitat stamps 
and ask
the local fish and game clubs to weigh in on possible solutions. Perhaps they 
would
as a group help with the count instead of hunting on the CBC day?

John
-- 
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Field Ornithologists
Kestrel Haven Avian Migration Observatory
5373 Fitzgerald Road
Burdett,NY 14818-9626
 Website: http://www.empacc.net/~kestrelhaven/
"Conserve and Create Habitat"

On Mon, December 30, 2013 07:52, Linda Orkin wrote:
> The opinion that follows is strictly my own and does not reflect any official
> position of the Cayuga Bird Club. Although I wish it did.
>
> I will not be one of the ones that says I have nothing against hunting 
> because I do,
> sorry.
>
> But even if I thought hunting was a great thing, I feel it is totally bizarre 
> to
> have this slaughter, harassment and disregard for life going on right INSIDE 
> our own
> city limits in a public park where any and all are exposed to this carnage 
> and risk.
>
> I am attaching a link to the article that Jane Graves discovered and 
> published in
> our October newsletter re:the imposition of waterfowl hunting  in 1933. Too 
> bad it
> was ever started. I would support Dave's suggestion to petition the DEC to 
> rescind
> this permission at the south end of the lake.
>
> http://cayugabirdclub.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-note-from-past.html
>
> Have a great count day on January 1. There's still time to sign up if you'd 
> like.
> Email me.
>
> Linda Orkin
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Dave Nutter  wrote:
>>
>> Perhaps the line of fire & proximity of people & buildings was the reason 
>> the DEC
>> police called in the gunners who were in the SW corner of the lake tied to a 
>> tree
>> along the shore of Treman. I saw in the background 2 adults and a child on 
>> the
>> beach of the west shore, associated with the first house, a large new one.
>>
>> I'd like to petition the DEC to have the south end of the lake, say the 
>> portion
>> within the City of Ithaca, which does not allow firing guns, off limits to
>> hunting.
>> --Dave Nutter
>>
>>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 08:47 PM, Anne Clark  wrote:
>>>
>>> It sounds as if some of these folks might be illegally close to buildings,
>>> although I suppose they argue that their guns are pointing down the lake.  
>>> On the
>>> other hand, in the park area, trails and inlets make a complex problem for
>>> claiming that nothing could be in the line of fire when shooting at ducks 
>>> flying
>>> in and over.  Do they really stop firing when the ducks swing toward shore?
>>>
>>> Per the DEC hunting regulations
>>>
>>> Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm?
>>> Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of any school,
>>> playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot discharge a firearm or 
>>> bow
>>> within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building, or structure unless you own 
>>> it,
>>> lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or have the 
>>> owner's
>>> consent. This does not apply to the discharge of a shotgun over water when
>>> hunting migratory game birds and no dwelling, public structure, livestock, 
>>> or
>>> person is in the line of fire.
>>>
 On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:

 I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this
 morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much hunting pressure at 
 the
 south end of the lake. I want to say clearly that I am not against legal 
 duck
 hunting in well managed areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird Stamp to support
 wetland conservation), but what is going on this year does not seem to be
 sustainable or an appropriate use of such a large public space. Boats with
 hunters and decoys were anchored right under the trees at the Swan Pen at
 Stewart Park, at the tip of the red lighthouse jetty, at the wooden buoy 
 marker,
 on the beach at Hogs Hole, and along East Shore -- yesterday there was an
 additional boat cruising the center of the lake to chase duck flocks. 
 Needless
 to say there was not a single spot for ducks to rest safely anywhere in the
 southern quarter-mile or so of Cayuga Lake (and probably north past Myer's 
 Point
 as well), and any flock that circled around over the south end of the lake 
 (no
 ma

[cayugabirds-l] Swans = Brooktondale

[Susan Fast]

I was out shoveling this morning, heard a few swans call, and looked up to
see a flock of 20 TUNDRA SWANS right over the house.  New Yard Bird.  They
were headed NW toward the Big Lake.  But I kept hearing them off and on for
the next 15 minutes.  Apparently their leader got confused by heading out
this way.  Anyway, they figured it out and passed over the house again low,
going SE.

 

Steve Fast

Brooktondale


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[cayugabirds-l] West Danby Tundras

[Geo Kloppel]

50 Tundra Swans flew very low over my house just now, heading north, perhaps 
even back to the Cayuga firing range, as it's snowing hard enough here to 
frustrate sight navigation. Their whooping was loud enough to draw us outdoors 
from the breakfast table.

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[cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement

[Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes]

For those interested…a similar conversation was happening on GeneseeBirds-L.

Sincerely,
Chris T-H


Begin forwarded message:

From: Michael and Joann Tetlow 
mailto:mjtet...@frontiernet.net>>
Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement
Date: December 29, 2013 8:54:23 PM EST
To: mailto:geneseebird...@geneseo.edu>>
Cc: 'Joann Tetlow' mailto:tetlo...@gmail.com>>


 Here is a link to Migratory Bird hunting regulations. 
http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4047.html  Section Q addresses the illegality of not 
retrieving carcasses as follows: q) Wanton waste of migratory game birds. No 
person shall kill or cripple any migratory game bird pursuant to this section 
without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the bird, and retain it in his 
actual custody, at the place where taken or between that place and either:

(1) his automobile or principal means of land transportation;

(2) his personal abode or temporary or transient place of lodging;

(3) a migratory bird preservation facility;

(4) a post office; or

(5) a common carrier facility.
•   So seeing any hunter leaving dead birds warrants a call 
to the DEC environmental conservation officer at the following: TIPP DEC is a 
24-hour telephone hotline that is also referred to as Turn in Poachers and 
Polluters. It is answered by live dispatchers. The TIPP phone number 
is1-800-TIPP DEC (1-800-847-7332). Callers may request to file a complaint 
anonymously.
I have also called 911 and asked for the DEC officers but would rather leave 
that number for human emergencies.

Hope for good, safe hunters and keep your head down until January 13th.  Mike 
Tetlow

p.s. here is the link to the seasons and bag limits: 
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html


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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement

[Anne Clark]

Am I not reading tables correctly?  Doesn't the table show just snow goose and 
Canada goose hunting season now, with ducks having ended Dec 15?  If so, why 
are hunters all tucking in at the end of the Lake?  And why is it so 
concentrated right now, since Snow Geese have been legal since Oct 1?  This 
shows duck hunting as extending Oct-Dec15?  

I am confused.


On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes wrote:

> For those interested…a similar conversation was happening on GeneseeBirds-L.
> 
> Sincerely,
> Chris T-H
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: Michael and Joann Tetlow 
>> Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement
>> Date: December 29, 2013 8:54:23 PM EST
>> To: 
>> Cc: 'Joann Tetlow' 
>> 
>>  Here is a link to Migratory Bird hunting regulations. 
>> http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4047.html  Section Q addresses the illegality of 
>> not retrieving carcasses as follows: q) Wanton waste of migratory game 
>> birds. No person shall kill or cripple any migratory game bird pursuant to 
>> this section without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the bird, and 
>> retain it in his actual custody, at the place where taken or between that 
>> place and either:
>> 
>> (1) his automobile or principal means of land transportation;
>> 
>> (2) his personal abode or temporary or transient place of lodging;
>> 
>> (3) a migratory bird preservation facility;
>> 
>> (4) a post office; or
>> 
>> (5) a common carrier facility.
>> 
>> ·   So seeing any hunter leaving dead birds warrants a 
>> call to the DEC environmental conservation officer at the following: TIPP 
>> DEC is a 24-hour telephone hotline that is also referred to as Turn in 
>> Poachers and Polluters. It is answered by live dispatchers. The TIPP phone 
>> number is1-800-TIPP DEC (1-800-847-7332). Callers may request to file a 
>> complaint anonymously.
>> I have also called 911 and asked for the DEC officers but would rather leave 
>> that number for human emergencies.
>>  
>> Hope for good, safe hunters and keep your head down until January 13th.  
>> Mike Tetlow
>>  
>> p.s. here is the link to the seasons and bag limits: 
>> http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement

[Linda Orkin]

Thanks Anne. This reminds me that I had also checked seasons a while back when 
thinking about this year's upcoming CBC. I saw the same and then just thought I 
had been wrong. What's the story anyone?

Linda. 

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On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Anne Clark  wrote:

> Am I not reading tables correctly?  Doesn't the table show just snow goose 
> and Canada goose hunting season now, with ducks having ended Dec 15?  If so, 
> why are hunters all tucking in at the end of the Lake?  And why is it so 
> concentrated right now, since Snow Geese have been legal since Oct 1?  This 
> shows duck hunting as extending Oct-Dec15?  
> 
> I am confused.
> 
> 
> On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes wrote:
> 
>> For those interested…a similar conversation was happening on GeneseeBirds-L.
>> 
>> Sincerely,
>> Chris T-H
>> 
>> 
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>>> From: Michael and Joann Tetlow 
>>> Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement
>>> Date: December 29, 2013 8:54:23 PM EST
>>> To: 
>>> Cc: 'Joann Tetlow' 
>>> 
>>>  Here is a link to Migratory Bird hunting regulations. 
>>> http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4047.html   Section Q addresses the illegality 
>>> of not retrieving carcasses as follows: q) Wanton waste of migratory game 
>>> birds. No person shall kill or cripple any migratory game bird pursuant to 
>>> this section without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the bird, and 
>>> retain it in his actual custody, at the place where taken or between that 
>>> place and either:
>>> 
>>> (1) his automobile or principal means of land transportation;
>>> 
>>> (2) his personal abode or temporary or transient place of lodging;
>>> 
>>> (3) a migratory bird preservation facility;
>>> 
>>> (4) a post office; or
>>> 
>>> (5) a common carrier facility.
>>> 
>>> ·   So seeing any hunter leaving dead birds warrants a 
>>> call to the DEC environmental conservation officer at the following: TIPP 
>>> DEC is a 24-hour telephone hotline that is also referred to as Turn in 
>>> Poachers and Polluters. It is answered by live dispatchers. The TIPP phone 
>>> number is1-800-TIPP DEC (1-800-847-7332). Callers may request to file a 
>>> complaint anonymously.
>>> I have also called 911 and asked for the DEC officers but would rather 
>>> leave that number for human emergencies.
>>>  
>>> Hope for good, safe hunters and keep your head down until January 13th.  
>>> Mike Tetlow
>>>  
>>> p.s. here is the link to the seasons and bag limits: 
>>> http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html
>>> 
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement

[Kevin J. McGowan]

You're reading the wrong table.  The seasons vary among the different DEC 
regions of the state.  We're in the Western region, and Duck season ran 26 Oct 
- 8 Dec, then started up again for 28 Dec - 12 Jan.

See table at http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html

Kevin




From: bounce-111404908-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
[mailto:bounce-111404908-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Anne Clark
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:31 AM
To: Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes
Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and 
enforcement

Am I not reading tables correctly?  Doesn't the table show just snow goose and 
Canada goose hunting season now, with ducks having ended Dec 15?  If so, why 
are hunters all tucking in at the end of the Lake?  And why is it so 
concentrated right now, since Snow Geese have been legal since Oct 1?  This 
shows duck hunting as extending Oct-Dec15?

I am confused.


On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes wrote:


For those interested...a similar conversation was happening on GeneseeBirds-L.

Sincerely,
Chris T-H


Begin forwarded message:


From: Michael and Joann Tetlow 
mailto:mjtet...@frontiernet.net>>
Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement
Date: December 29, 2013 8:54:23 PM EST
To: mailto:geneseebird...@geneseo.edu>>
Cc: 'Joann Tetlow' mailto:tetlo...@gmail.com>>


 Here is a link to Migratory Bird hunting regulations. 
http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4047.html  Section Q addresses the illegality of not 
retrieving carcasses as follows: q) Wanton waste of migratory game birds. No 
person shall kill or cripple any migratory game bird pursuant to this section 
without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the bird, and retain it in his 
actual custody, at the place where taken or between that place and either:

(1) his automobile or principal means of land transportation;

(2) his personal abode or temporary or transient place of lodging;

(3) a migratory bird preservation facility;

(4) a post office; or

(5) a common carrier facility.
*   So seeing any hunter leaving dead birds warrants a call 
to the DEC environmental conservation officer at the following: TIPP DEC is a 
24-hour telephone hotline that is also referred to as Turn in Poachers and 
Polluters. It is answered by live dispatchers. The TIPP phone number 
is1-800-TIPP DEC (1-800-847-7332). Callers may request to file a complaint 
anonymously.
I have also called 911 and asked for the DEC officers but would rather leave 
that number for human emergencies.

Hope for good, safe hunters and keep your head down until January 13th.  Mike 
Tetlow

p.s. here is the link to the seasons and bag limits: 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement

[Jody W Enck]

Hello all,

Please note that all of New York State west of route 81 and south of Lake 
Ontario is in the western zone for waterfowl hunting.  The zones listed in the 
DEC table are just for New York State.  I hope this reduces some of the 
confusion.

Jody Enck



From: Linda Orkin
Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎December‎ ‎30‎, ‎2013 ‎9‎:‎36‎ ‎AM
To: Anne Clark
Cc: Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes, CAYUGABIRDS-L

Thanks Anne. This reminds me that I had also checked seasons a while back when 
thinking about this year's upcoming CBC. I saw the same and then just thought I 
had been wrong. What's the story anyone?

Linda.

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Anne Clark 
mailto:anneb.cl...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Am I not reading tables correctly?  Doesn't the table show just snow goose and 
Canada goose hunting season now, with ducks having ended Dec 15?  If so, why 
are hunters all tucking in at the end of the Lake?  And why is it so 
concentrated right now, since Snow Geese have been legal since Oct 1?  This 
shows duck hunting as extending Oct-Dec15?

I am confused.


On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes wrote:

For those interested…a similar conversation was happening on GeneseeBirds-L.

Sincerely,
Chris T-H


Begin forwarded message:

From: Michael and Joann Tetlow 
mailto:mjtet...@frontiernet.net>>
Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement
Date: December 29, 2013 8:54:23 PM EST
To: mailto:geneseebird...@geneseo.edu>>
Cc: 'Joann Tetlow' mailto:tetlo...@gmail.com>>


 Here is a link to Migratory Bird hunting regulations. 
http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4047.html  Section Q addresses the illegality of not 
retrieving carcasses as follows: q) Wanton waste of migratory game birds. No 
person shall kill or cripple any migratory game bird pursuant to this section 
without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the bird, and retain it in his 
actual custody, at the place where taken or between that place and either:

(1) his automobile or principal means of land transportation;

(2) his personal abode or temporary or transient place of lodging;

(3) a migratory bird preservation facility;

(4) a post office; or

(5) a common carrier facility.
•   So seeing any hunter leaving dead birds warrants a call 
to the DEC environmental conservation officer at the following: TIPP DEC is a 
24-hour telephone hotline that is also referred to as Turn in Poachers and 
Polluters. It is answered by live dispatchers. The TIPP phone number 
is1-800-TIPP DEC (1-800-847-7332). Callers may request to file a complaint 
anonymously.
I have also called 911 and asked for the DEC officers but would rather leave 
that number for human emergencies.

Hope for good, safe hunters and keep your head down until January 13th.  Mike 
Tetlow

p.s. here is the link to the seasons and bag limits: 
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html


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[cayugabirds-l] Moving the Christmas Count Date Earlier

[Sandy Podulka]

Moving the Christmas Count earlier would certainly make it impossible 
for us and many local families to participate--there are too many 
conflicting required school or work, or other social events the two 
weeks before Christmas. In addition, the compilation dinner would not 
be well-attended, and I think that is an important event bringing 
many local birders together--it's a nice way to start the new year.

Sandy

At 07:49 AM 12/30/2013, you wrote:
>I'll stick my neck out and resurect the suggestion that we change 
>our Christmas count date. It would be great to add the many students 
>and holiday travelers to our group of counters. Maybe the second or 
>third Saturday of December.
>
>Laura
>
>Laura Stenzler
>lm...@cornell.edu
>
>On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:52 PM, "Dave Nutter" 
><nutter.d...@me.com> wrote:
>
>>Perhaps the line of fire & proximity of people & buildings was the 
>>reason the DEC police called in the gunners who were in the SW 
>>corner of the lake tied to a tree along the shore of Treman. I saw 
>>in the background 2 adults and a child on the beach of the west 
>>shore, associated with the first house, a large new one.
>>
>>I'd like to petition the DEC to have the south end of the lake, say 
>>the portion within the City of Ithaca, which does not allow firing 
>>guns, off limits to hunting.
>>
>>
>>--Dave Nutter
>>On Dec 29, 2013, at 08:47 PM, Anne Clark 
>><anneb.cl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>>It sounds as if some of these folks might be illegally close to 
>>>buildings, although I suppose they argue that their guns are 
>>>pointing down the lake.  On the other hand, in the park area, 
>>>trails and inlets make a complex problem for claiming that nothing 
>>>could be in the line of fire when shooting at ducks flying in and 
>>>over.  Do they really stop firing when the ducks swing toward shore?
>>>
>>>Per the DEC hunting regulations
>>>
>>>Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm?
>>>Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of 
>>>any school, playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot 
>>>discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm 
>>>building, or structure unless you own it, lease it, are an 
>>>immediate member of the family, an employee, or have the owner's 
>>>consent. This does not apply to the discharge of a shotgun over 
>>>water when hunting migratory game birds and no dwelling, public 
>>>structure, livestock, or person is in the line of fire.
>>>
>>>On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:
>>>
I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart 
Park this morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much 
hunting pressure at the south end of the lake. I want to say 
clearly that I am not against legal duck hunting in well managed 
areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird Stamp to support wetland 
conservation), but what is going on this year does not seem to be 
sustainable or an appropriate use of such a large public space. 
Boats with hunters and decoys were anchored right under the trees 
at the Swan Pen at Stewart Park, at the tip of the red lighthouse 
jetty, at the wooden buoy marker, on the beach at Hogs Hole, and 
along East Shore -- yesterday there was an additional boat 
cruising the center of the lake to chase duck flocks. Needless to 
say there was not a single spot for ducks to rest safely anywhere 
in the southern quarter-mile or so of Cayuga Lake (and probably 
north past Myer's Point as well), and any flock that circled 
around over the south end of the lake (no matter how high) was 
shot at. I don't know if DEC would consider that proper 
management of this important waterfowl wintering area. This 
seemed pretty different from the past few years when a few 
hunters kept the duck flocks moving around but there was plenty 
of place for them to rest -- notably along the Stewart Park 
shoreline, which was not available today.

This activity will undoubtedly affect the numbers of waterfowl on 
this year's Christmas Bird Count on Wednesday (wasn't much to 
count today). If this trend continues in future years, I strongly 
recommend that the Cayuga Bird Club move its count to the days 
prior to the late hunting season  -- this slight straying from 
"tradition" will probably yield more accurate numbers of local 
waterfowl populations.

In spite of the hunting, I did manage to see a few distant 
LONG-TAILED DUCKS and a single WHITE-WINGED SCOTER far to the 
north of East Shore Park, and a flock of 12 RUDDY DUCKS, along 
with HORNED and PIED-BIILED GREBES, COMMON LOON, and 3 
DOUBLE-CRESTED CORMORANTS -- all decent CBC birds if they can 
hang in there. There were also TUNDRA SWANS around this morning 
-- 2 on the ice at Stewart Park east 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement

[Debbie Mahoney]

http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html

This is the table I found after visiting Stewart and East Shore Park on 
Saturday.

Debbie

On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:35 AM, Linda Orkin wrote:

> Thanks Anne. This reminds me that I had also checked seasons a while back 
> when thinking about this year's upcoming CBC. I saw the same and then just 
> thought I had been wrong. What's the story anyone?
> 
> Linda. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Anne Clark  wrote:
> 
>> Am I not reading tables correctly?  Doesn't the table show just snow goose 
>> and Canada goose hunting season now, with ducks having ended Dec 15?  If so, 
>> why are hunters all tucking in at the end of the Lake?  And why is it so 
>> concentrated right now, since Snow Geese have been legal since Oct 1?  This 
>> shows duck hunting as extending Oct-Dec15?  
>> 
>> I am confused.
>> 
>> 
>> On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes wrote:
>> 
>>> For those interested…a similar conversation was happening on GeneseeBirds-L.
>>> 
>>> Sincerely,
>>> Chris T-H
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Begin forwarded message:
>>> 
 From: Michael and Joann Tetlow 
 Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement
 Date: December 29, 2013 8:54:23 PM EST
 To: 
 Cc: 'Joann Tetlow' 
 
  Here is a link to Migratory Bird hunting regulations. 
 http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4047.html  Section Q addresses the illegality 
 of not retrieving carcasses as follows: q) Wanton waste of migratory game 
 birds. No person shall kill or cripple any migratory game bird pursuant to 
 this section without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the bird, and 
 retain it in his actual custody, at the place where taken or between that 
 place and either:
 
 (1) his automobile or principal means of land transportation;
 
 (2) his personal abode or temporary or transient place of lodging;
 
 (3) a migratory bird preservation facility;
 
 (4) a post office; or
 
 (5) a common carrier facility.
 
 ·   So seeing any hunter leaving dead birds warrants a 
 call to the DEC environmental conservation officer at the following: TIPP 
 DEC is a 24-hour telephone hotline that is also referred to as Turn in 
 Poachers and Polluters. It is answered by live dispatchers. The TIPP phone 
 number is1-800-TIPP DEC (1-800-847-7332). Callers may request to file a 
 complaint anonymously.
 I have also called 911 and asked for the DEC officers but would rather 
 leave that number for human emergencies.
  
 Hope for good, safe hunters and keep your head down until January 13th.  
 Mike Tetlow
  
 p.s. here is the link to the seasons and bag limits: 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement

[Anne Clark]

Aha--of course.  I just never think of living in the western region of 
anything, since leaving CA.  All explained.  Thanks, everyone else who has also 
answered.


On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Kevin J. McGowan wrote:

> You’re reading the wrong table.  The seasons vary among the different DEC 
> regions of the state.  We’re in the Western region, and Duck season ran 26 
> Oct – 8 Dec, then started up again for 28 Dec – 12 Jan.
>  
> See table at http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html
>  
> Kevin
>  
>  
>  
>  
> From: bounce-111404908-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
> [mailto:bounce-111404908-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Anne Clark
> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:31 AM
> To: Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes
> Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and 
> enforcement
>  
> Am I not reading tables correctly?  Doesn't the table show just snow goose 
> and Canada goose hunting season now, with ducks having ended Dec 15?  If so, 
> why are hunters all tucking in at the end of the Lake?  And why is it so 
> concentrated right now, since Snow Geese have been legal since Oct 1?  This 
> shows duck hunting as extending Oct-Dec15?  
>  
> I am confused.
>  
>  
> On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes wrote:
> 
> 
> For those interested…a similar conversation was happening on GeneseeBirds-L.
>  
> Sincerely,
> Chris T-H
>  
>  
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> 
> From: Michael and Joann Tetlow 
> Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement
> Date: December 29, 2013 8:54:23 PM EST
> To: 
> Cc: 'Joann Tetlow' 
>  
>  Here is a link to Migratory Bird hunting regulations. 
> http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4047.html  Section Q addresses the illegality of 
> not retrieving carcasses as follows: q) Wanton waste of migratory game birds. 
> No person shall kill or cripple any migratory game bird pursuant to this 
> section without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the bird, and retain 
> it in his actual custody, at the place where taken or between that place and 
> either:
> 
> (1) his automobile or principal means of land transportation;
> 
> (2) his personal abode or temporary or transient place of lodging;
> 
> (3) a migratory bird preservation facility;
> 
> (4) a post office; or
> 
> (5) a common carrier facility.
> 
> ·   So seeing any hunter leaving dead birds warrants a 
> call to the DEC environmental conservation officer at the following: TIPP DEC 
> is a 24-hour telephone hotline that is also referred to as Turn in Poachers 
> and Polluters. It is answered by live dispatchers. The TIPP phone number 
> is1-800-TIPP DEC (1-800-847-7332). Callers may request to file a complaint 
> anonymously.
> I have also called 911 and asked for the DEC officers but would rather leave 
> that number for human emergencies.
>  
> Hope for good, safe hunters and keep your head down until January 13th.  Mike 
> Tetlow
>  
> p.s. here is the link to the seasons and bag limits: 
> http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[Kevin J. McGowan]

...  Do they really stop firing when the ducks swing toward shore?


I would say yes.  One of the first things you get taught in firearm safety 
class (which is mandatory in New York for all first-time hunting licenses) is 
to always be aware of where your muzzle is pointing.  Always.  Most people 
hunting with a partner are pretty aware of where their partner's gun is 
pointing, too.  Obviously some people are going to be better at being cautious 
and not careless than others, but that line between safe/not safe is probably 
more distinct for a gunner than you might think.

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement

[Linda Orkin]

Yes. I think west of the Mississippi. Oh well. Easy explanation. And thanks. 

Linda

Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:04 AM, Anne Clark  wrote:

> Aha--of course.  I just never think of living in the western region of 
> anything, since leaving CA.  All explained.  Thanks, everyone else who has 
> also answered.
> 
> 
> On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:01 AM, Kevin J. McGowan wrote:
> 
>> You’re reading the wrong table.  The seasons vary among the different DEC 
>> regions of the state.  We’re in the Western region, and Duck season ran 26 
>> Oct – 8 Dec, then started up again for 28 Dec – 12 Jan.
>>  
>> See table at http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html
>>  
>> Kevin
>>  
>>  
>>  
>>  
>> From: bounce-111404908-3493...@list.cornell.edu 
>> [mailto:bounce-111404908-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of Anne Clark
>> Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 9:31 AM
>> To: Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes
>> Cc: CAYUGABIRDS-L
>> Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and 
>> enforcement
>>  
>> Am I not reading tables correctly?  Doesn't the table show just snow goose 
>> and Canada goose hunting season now, with ducks having ended Dec 15?  If so, 
>> why are hunters all tucking in at the end of the Lake?  And why is it so 
>> concentrated right now, since Snow Geese have been legal since Oct 1?  This 
>> shows duck hunting as extending Oct-Dec15?  
>>  
>> I am confused.
>>  
>>  
>> On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> For those interested…a similar conversation was happening on GeneseeBirds-L.
>>  
>> Sincerely,
>> Chris T-H
>>  
>>  
>> Begin forwarded message:
>> 
>> 
>> From: Michael and Joann Tetlow 
>> Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement
>> Date: December 29, 2013 8:54:23 PM EST
>> To: 
>> Cc: 'Joann Tetlow' 
>>  
>>  Here is a link to Migratory Bird hunting regulations. 
>> http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4047.html  Section Q addresses the illegality of 
>> not retrieving carcasses as follows: q) Wanton waste of migratory game 
>> birds. No person shall kill or cripple any migratory game bird pursuant to 
>> this section without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the bird, and 
>> retain it in his actual custody, at the place where taken or between that 
>> place and either:
>> 
>> (1) his automobile or principal means of land transportation;
>> 
>> (2) his personal abode or temporary or transient place of lodging;
>> 
>> (3) a migratory bird preservation facility;
>> 
>> (4) a post office; or
>> 
>> (5) a common carrier facility.
>> 
>> ·   So seeing any hunter leaving dead birds warrants a 
>> call to the DEC environmental conservation officer at the following: TIPP 
>> DEC is a 24-hour telephone hotline that is also referred to as Turn in 
>> Poachers and Polluters. It is answered by live dispatchers. The TIPP phone 
>> number is1-800-TIPP DEC (1-800-847-7332). Callers may request to file a 
>> complaint anonymously.
>> I have also called 911 and asked for the DEC officers but would rather leave 
>> that number for human emergencies.
>>  
>> Hope for good, safe hunters and keep your head down until January 13th.  
>> Mike Tetlow
>>  
>> p.s. here is the link to the seasons and bag limits: 
>> http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html
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[cayugabirds-l] Christmas Bird Count and Hunting Pressure

[bob mcguire]

In an effort to move the discussion towards some sort of resolution, I have 
have a couple of questions. Does anyone have answers?

1) Has the late waterfowl hunting season overlapped with the Ithaca CXBC for 
ever? If not, since when?

2) Who (office or person) in the DEC sets the season dates? Is it strictly a 
matter for the DEC, or is US Fish & Wildlife involved?

3) I know we have a TRADITION of counting on New Year's Day. (And I love to 
start the new year this way.) But would counting on a different day change the 
value of the data we collect? And in a significant manner?

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know!

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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Fwd: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement

[Mo Barger Rooster Hill Farm]

Late duck season is 12/28-1/12 in our zone. For the most part everyone
is discussing the western zone, the area of NYS west of 81:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28497.html

Information about late duck season:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/28513.html#Western

The DEC invites anyone for their input on duck season dates:
http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/42364.html

On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 9:35 AM, Linda Orkin  wrote:
> Thanks Anne. This reminds me that I had also checked seasons a while back
> when thinking about this year's upcoming CBC. I saw the same and then just
> thought I had been wrong. What's the story anyone?
>
> Linda.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:31 AM, Anne Clark  wrote:
>
> Am I not reading tables correctly?  Doesn't the table show just snow goose
> and Canada goose hunting season now, with ducks having ended Dec 15?  If so,
> why are hunters all tucking in at the end of the Lake?  And why is it so
> concentrated right now, since Snow Geese have been legal since Oct 1?  This
> shows duck hunting as extending Oct-Dec15?
>
> I am confused.
>
>
> On Dec 30, 2013, at 9:19 AM, Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes wrote:
>
> For those interested…a similar conversation was happening on GeneseeBirds-L.
>
> Sincerely,
> Chris T-H
>
>
> Begin forwarded message:
>
> From: Michael and Joann Tetlow 
> Subject: [GeneseeBirds-L] Duck Hunting Rules and enforcement
> Date: December 29, 2013 8:54:23 PM EST
> To: 
> Cc: 'Joann Tetlow' 
>
>  Here is a link to Migratory Bird hunting regulations.
> http://www.dec.ny.gov/regs/4047.html  Section Q addresses the illegality of
> not retrieving carcasses as follows: q) Wanton waste of migratory game
> birds. No person shall kill or cripple any migratory game bird pursuant to
> this section without making a reasonable effort to retrieve the bird, and
> retain it in his actual custody, at the place where taken or between that
> place and either:
>
> (1) his automobile or principal means of land transportation;
>
> (2) his personal abode or temporary or transient place of lodging;
>
> (3) a migratory bird preservation facility;
>
> (4) a post office; or
>
> (5) a common carrier facility.
>
> ·   So seeing any hunter leaving dead birds warrants a
> call to the DEC environmental conservation officer at the following: TIPP
> DEC is a 24-hour telephone hotline that is also referred to as Turn in
> Poachers and Polluters. It is answered by live dispatchers. The TIPP phone
> number is1-800-TIPP DEC (1-800-847-7332). Callers may request to file a
> complaint anonymously.
>
> I have also called 911 and asked for the DEC officers but would rather leave
> that number for human emergencies.
>
> Hope for good, safe hunters and keep your head down until January 13th.
> Mike Tetlow
>
> p.s. here is the link to the seasons and bag limits:
> http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/2.html
>
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Re:[cayugabirds-l] Moving the Christmas Count Date Earlier

[Carol Schmitt]

 
Iagree with Sandy.  The Jan. 1stdate for the count has its origins with Doc 
Allen, I believe.  He chose it since everyone would have aday off anyway and 
this has worked for years.
   All of our data is based on thisdate so I would think that consistency would 
have value.  (Kevin?)  Until recently, waterfowl numbers on Jan. 1st 
weretremendous;  it is the currenthunting season that is effecting us.
   I want to stick with ourtraditional date.  We might possibly have more 
student participationif we picked another weekend, but many people leave school 
earlier in Decemberthan you might think.  Also, thoseweekends before Christmas 
are much in demand for other holiday parties, etc.(certainly true for our 
household, so we’d be unlikely to participate in thefuture) and I think we’d 
create more of a problem.
   I hope we can make some change onthe hunting regulations at the south end of 
the lake and improve the situationin that way.
CarolSchmitt

 

 

-Original Message-
From: Sandy Podulka 
To: Cayuga List 
Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 10:04 am
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Moving the Christmas Count Date Earlier


Moving the Christmas Count earlier would certainly make itimpossible for us and 
many local families to participate--there are toomany conflicting required 
school or work, or other social events the twoweeks before Christmas. In 
addition, the compilation dinner would not bewell-attended, and I think that is 
an important event bringing many localbirders together--it's a nice way to 
start the new year.

Sandy 

At 07:49 AM 12/30/2013, you wrote:

I'll stick my neck out andresurect the suggestion that we change our Christmas 
count date. It wouldbe great to add the many students and holiday travelers to 
our group ofcounters. Maybe the second or third Saturday of December.

Laura 

Laura Stenzler
l...@cornell.edu

On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:52 PM, "Dave Nutter"wrote:


Perhaps the line of fire &proximity of people & buildings was the reason the 
DEC police calledin the gunners who were in the SW corner of the lake tied to a 
tree alongthe shore of Treman. I saw in the background 2 adults and a child on 
thebeach of the west shore, associated with the first house, a large newone. 

I'd like to petition the DEC to have the south end of the lake, say theportion 
within the City of Ithaca, which does not allow firing guns, offlimits to 
hunting. 



--Dave
Nutter

On Dec 29, 2013, at 08:47 PM, Anne Clarkwrote:


It sounds as if some of thesefolks might be illegally close to buildings, 
although I suppose theyargue that their guns are pointing down the lake.  On 
the otherhand, in the park area, trails and inlets make a complex problem 
forclaiming that nothing could be in the line of fire when shooting at 
ducksflying in and over.  Do they really stop firing when the ducks swingtoward 
shore? 

Per the DEC hunting regulations

Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge myfirearm?
Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of anyschool, 
playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot discharge afirearm or bow 
within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building, or structureunless you own it, 
lease it, are an immediate member of the family, anemployee, or have the 
owner's consent. This does not apply to thedischarge of a shotgun over water 
when hunting migratory game birds andno dwelling, public structure, livestock, 
or person is in the line offire.

On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:


I birded at East Shore Park onSaturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this 
morning -- I must say that Ihave never seen so much hunting pressure at the 
south end of the lake. Iwant to say clearly that I am not against legal duck 
hunting in wellmanaged areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird Stamp to support 
wetlandconservation), but what is going on this year does not seem to 
besustainable or an appropriate use of such a large public space. Boatswith 
hunters and decoys were anchored right under the trees at the SwanPen at 
Stewart Park, at the tip of the red lighthouse jetty, at thewooden buoy marker, 
on the beach at Hogs Hole, and along East Shore --yesterday there was an 
additional boat cruising the center of the lake tochase duck flocks. Needless 
to say there was not a single spot for ducksto rest safely anywhere in the 
southern quarter-mile or so of Cayuga Lake(and probably north past Myer's Point 
as well), and any flock thatcircled around over the south end of the lake (no 
matter how high) wasshot at. I don't know if DEC would consider that proper 
management ofthis important waterfowl wintering area. This seemed pretty 
differentfrom the past few years when a few hunters kept the duck flocks 
movingaround but there was plenty of place for them to rest -- notably alongthe 
Stewart Park shoreline, which was not available today. 

This activity will undoubtedly affect the numbers of waterfowl on thisyear's 
Christmas Bird Count on Wednesday (wasn't

[cayugabirds-l] Duck hunting dates

[John and Fritzie Blizzard]

The DEC list shows the 2nd season for ducks & Canadas in western NY as being 28 
Dec. thru 12 Jan.. 
Bag limits are higher for Snows (25 per day) than for ducks or Canadas.
Snow geese season: 1 Oct. thru 15 April. 
Hunting time begins 1/2 hr. before sunrise & ends at sunset.
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[cayugabirds-l] Linda Okin's radio interview

[CFSchmitt]

Linda had a great interview about the Count with Lee Rayburn this morning 
on WHCU.   You can go to the WHCU webpage and listen to the podcast.
http://whcuradio.com/morning-newswatch/cayuga-bird-count-wednesday/
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RE: [cayugabirds-l] Christmas Bird Count and Hunting Pressure

[Kevin J. McGowan]

No, the late duck hunting season has not always overlapped with our count.  
It's only been a problem in the last 10 years or so.  I remember being shocked 
the first time the opening day was 1 January.  I had never experienced any such 
disruption in the previous decade of the count.

The duck season can change every year if the DEC decides to do it.  It has 
started on 1 Jan for the last few years, but started earlier this year.  So, if 
we had moved our count back to this last weekend, we would have been just as 
bad off.  I believe the length, timing, and even existence of waterfowl seasons 
are tied to duck productivity numbers so that they can be responsive to 
population changes.  I'm not sure there even WAS a late duck season 20 years 
ago.

The only predictable and reliable date in any of this is that most people have 
1 January off.  Everything else changes with the year.

Kevin


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[mailto:bounce-111406900-3493...@list.cornell.edu] On Behalf Of bob mcguire
Sent: Monday, December 30, 2013 10:19 AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Christmas Bird Count and Hunting Pressure

In an effort to move the discussion towards some sort of resolution, I have 
have a couple of questions. Does anyone have answers?

1) Has the late waterfowl hunting season overlapped with the Ithaca CXBC for 
ever? If not, since when?

2) Who (office or person) in the DEC sets the season dates? Is it strictly a 
matter for the DEC, or is US Fish & Wildlife involved?

3) I know we have a TRADITION of counting on New Year's Day. (And I love to 
start the new year this way.) But would counting on a different day change the 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Christmas Bird Count and Hunting Pressure

[Jody W Enck]

From: bob mcguire
Sent: ?Monday?, ?December? ?30?, ?2013 ?10?:?19? ?AM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L

In an effort to move the discussion towards some sort of resolution, I have 
have a couple of questions. Does anyone have answers?

1) Has the late waterfowl hunting season overlapped with the Ithaca CXBC for 
ever? If not, since when?
The DEC must work each year within guidelines established by the US Fish and 
Wildlife Service.  Those guidelines can change each year based on surveys of 
breeding pairs of ducks across a wide swath of Canada and the northern US and 
surveys of ponds in the prairie pothole region of the Great Plains.  Results of 
these surveys affect total season length, bag limits for ducks (including for 
specific species and even hens vs. drake ducks), and whether states can have a 
split season or just one set of inclusive dates for hunting ducks.  These 
guidelines differ for each of the four major flyways in North America (we are 
in the Atlantic Flyway; the others are the Mississippi, the Central, and the 
Pacific).  New York is the only state in the nation that is allowed by federal 
regulation to have five management zones for hunting waterfowl.  Most states 
are limited to no more than three.  NY's topography and habitat diversity are 
unique when it comes to waterfowl.  The five zones allow for a finer resolution 
on harvest management.

In years when duck populations are low (often corresponding to drought in the 
pothole region), seasons are short, bag limits are low, and usually split 
seasons don't occur.  Compared to historical trends, populations of many (not 
all) species of waterfowl are relatively high this year.  Thus, federal 
guidelines allow states to have the maximum number of days for hunting ducks 
(60 in NY), liberal bag limits, and a split season.   (NY has a split season 
this year in that the first split starts in October and goes for a 43 days this 
year in the western zone and then started again on December 28 for another 17 
days for a total of 60 days).

2) Who (office or person) in the DEC sets the season dates? Is it strictly a 
matter for the DEC, or is US Fish & Wildlife involved?

NY has a waterfowl management team made up of biologists from across the state. 
 They set the start-end dates for hunting in the different management zones 
based on a host of data, including average freeze-up dates (e.g., beaver ponds 
in the northern part of the state freeze over by early November causing ducks 
to move out of that part of the state), timing of waterfowl migration, when 
waterfowl hunting have time available for hunting (which is why the season 
dates try to maximize weekends and holidays), and other factors.  Having done a 
lot of research on waterfowl hunters and waterfowl hunting for DEC to use in 
season setting over the last 25 years, I can say that I am aware of no 
mechanism through which DEC could change season timing or other regulations 
within a small area of one of the five major management zones in the state.

3) I know we have a TRADITION of counting on New Year's Day. (And I love to 
start the new year this way.) But would counting on a different day change the 
value of the data we collect? And in a significant manner?

I know others can speak to this more knowledgeably that I can.  I recall in 
previous years so good discussion of the pros and cons of changing the timing 
of counts, etc.

Hope this helps
Jody Enck


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ADMIN: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Christmas Bird Count and Hunting Pressure

[Christopher T. Tessaglia-Hymes]

In answer to Bob's last request, below: I see no problem with this topic, as 
long as it remains constructive.

Sincerely,
Chris T-H

On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:18 AM, bob mcguire 
mailto:bmcgu...@clarityconnect.com>>
 wrote:

In an effort to move the discussion towards some sort of resolution, I have 
have a couple of questions. Does anyone have answers?

1) Has the late waterfowl hunting season overlapped with the Ithaca CXBC for 
ever? If not, since when?

2) Who (office or person) in the DEC sets the season dates? Is it strictly a 
matter for the DEC, or is US Fish & Wildlife involved?

3) I know we have a TRADITION of counting on New Year's Day. (And I love to 
start the new year this way.) But would counting on a different day change the 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Moving the Christmas Count Date Earlier

[Anne Clark]

My observations from alternative scheduling strategies:   I participate in the 
count around Binghamton.  It is scheduled on a weekend before Christmas and is 
not always easy for folks, depending on such variables as the last dates at 
Binghamton University as well as holiday events. To keep it on a weekend, the 
date has to flex, which makes some years worse than others for counters.  And 
it makes it harder to plan ahead.

 The Jan 1st date seems like a good one for participation because it can be a 
set date, no matter the year.

Anne

On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:32 AM, Carol Schmitt wrote:

> I agree with Sandy.  The Jan. 1st date for the count has its origins with Doc 
> Allen, I believe.  He chose it since everyone would have a day off anyway and 
> this has worked for years.
>All of our data is based on this date so I would think that consistency 
> would have value.  (Kevin?)  Until recently, waterfowl numbers on Jan. 1st 
> were tremendous;  it is the current hunting season that is effecting us.
>I want to stick with our traditional date.  We might possibly have more 
> student participation if we picked another weekend, but many people leave 
> school earlier in December than you might think.  Also, those weekends before 
> Christmas are much in demand for other holiday parties, etc. (certainly true 
> for our household, so we’d be unlikely to participate in the future) and I 
> think we’d create more of a problem.
>I hope we can make some change on the hunting regulations at the south end 
> of the lake and improve the situation in that way.
> Carol Schmitt
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Sandy Podulka 
> To: Cayuga List 
> Sent: Mon, Dec 30, 2013 10:04 am
> Subject: [cayugabirds-l] Moving the Christmas Count Date Earlier
> 
> Moving the Christmas Count earlier would certainly make it impossible for us 
> and many local families to participate--there are too many conflicting 
> required school or work, or other social events the two weeks before 
> Christmas. In addition, the compilation dinner would not be well-attended, 
> and I think that is an important event bringing many local birders 
> together--it's a nice way to start the new year.
> 
> Sandy 
> 
> At 07:49 AM 12/30/2013, you wrote:
>> I'll stick my neck out and resurect the suggestion that we change our 
>> Christmas count date. It would be great to add the many students and holiday 
>> travelers to our group of counters. Maybe the second or third Saturday of 
>> December.
>> 
>> Laura 
>> 
>> Laura Stenzler
>> l...@cornell.edu
>> 
>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:52 PM, "Dave Nutter"  wrote:
>> 
>>> Perhaps the line of fire & proximity of people & buildings was the reason 
>>> the DEC police called in the gunners who were in the SW corner of the lake 
>>> tied to a tree along the shore of Treman. I saw in the background 2 adults 
>>> and a child on the beach of the west shore, associated with the first 
>>> house, a large new one. 
>>> 
>>> I'd like to petition the DEC to have the south end of the lake, say the 
>>> portion within the City of Ithaca, which does not allow firing guns, off 
>>> limits to hunting. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> --Dave
>>> Nutter
>>> 
>>> On Dec 29, 2013, at 08:47 PM, Anne Clark  wrote:
>>> 
 It sounds as if some of these folks might be illegally close to buildings, 
 although I suppose they argue that their guns are pointing down the lake.  
 On the other hand, in the park area, trails and inlets make a complex 
 problem for claiming that nothing could be in the line of fire when 
 shooting at ducks flying in and over.  Do they really stop firing when the 
 ducks swing toward shore? 
 
 Per the DEC hunting regulations
 
 Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm?
 Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of any 
 school, playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot discharge a 
 firearm or bow within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building, or structure 
 unless you own it, lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an 
 employee, or have the owner's consent. This does not apply to the 
 discharge of a shotgun over water when hunting migratory game birds and no 
 dwelling, public structure, livestock, or person is in the line of fire.
 
 On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:
 
> I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this 
> morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much hunting pressure at 
> the south end of the lake. I want to say clearly that I am not against 
> legal duck hunting in well managed areas (and I buy a Migratory Bird 
> Stamp to support wetland conservation), but what is going on this year 
> does not seem to be sustainable or an appropriate use of such a large 
> public space. Boats with hunters and decoys were anchored right under the 
> trees at the Swan Pen

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Christmas Bird Count and Hunting Pressure

[bob mcguire]

Thanks Jody.

I find Mo Barger's reference (http://www.dec.ny.gov/outdoor/42364.html) to the 
DEC invitation for input most helpful. By the looks of it, the (western) season 
dates are set EACH YEAR based on the recommendations of a group of 12 people. 
The first two (J Adriance & J Eckler) appear to be DEC. The rest not. I don't 
know who the remaining 10 are, but I suspect that none of them represent the 
birding community (which is certainly affected by the process of hunting).

I would be curious to know what their meetings look like and how the decision 
is actually made.

Bob McGuire
On Dec 30, 2013, at 10:49 AM, Jody W Enck wrote:

>  
>  
>  
> From: bob mcguire
> Sent: ‎Monday‎, ‎December‎ ‎30‎, ‎2013 ‎10‎:‎19‎ ‎AM
> To: CAYUGABIRDS-L
>  
> In an effort to move the discussion towards some sort of resolution, I have 
> have a couple of questions. Does anyone have answers?
> 
> 1) Has the late waterfowl hunting season overlapped with the Ithaca CXBC for 
> ever? If not, since when?
> The DEC must work each year within guidelines established by the US Fish and 
> Wildlife Service.  Those guidelines can change each year based on surveys of 
> breeding pairs of ducks across a wide swath of Canada and the northern US and 
> surveys of ponds in the prairie pothole region of the Great Plains.  Results 
> of these surveys affect total season length, bag limits for ducks (including 
> for specific species and even hens vs. drake ducks), and whether states can 
> have a split season or just one set of inclusive dates for hunting ducks.  
> These guidelines differ for each of the four major flyways in North America 
> (we are in the Atlantic Flyway; the others are the Mississippi, the Central, 
> and the Pacific).  New York is the only state in the nation that is allowed 
> by federal regulation to have five management zones for hunting waterfowl.  
> Most states are limited to no more than three.  NY’s topography and habitat 
> diversity are unique when it comes to waterfowl.  The five zones allow for a 
> finer resolution on harvest management. 
>  
> In years when duck populations are low (often corresponding to drought in the 
> pothole region), seasons are short, bag limits are low, and usually split 
> seasons don’t occur.  Compared to historical trends, populations of many (not 
> all) species of waterfowl are relatively high this year.  Thus, federal 
> guidelines allow states to have the maximum number of days for hunting ducks 
> (60 in NY), liberal bag limits, and a split season.   (NY has a split season 
> this year in that the first split starts in October and goes for a 43 days 
> this year in the western zone and then started again on December 28 for 
> another 17 days for a total of 60 days).
> 
> 2) Who (office or person) in the DEC sets the season dates? Is it strictly a 
> matter for the DEC, or is US Fish & Wildlife involved?
>  
> NY has a waterfowl management team made up of biologists from across the 
> state.  They set the start-end dates for hunting in the different management 
> zones based on a host of data, including average freeze-up dates (e.g., 
> beaver ponds in the northern part of the state freeze over by early November 
> causing ducks to move out of that part of the state), timing of waterfowl 
> migration, when waterfowl hunting have time available for hunting (which is 
> why the season dates try to maximize weekends and holidays), and other 
> factors.  Having done a lot of research on waterfowl hunters and waterfowl 
> hunting for DEC to use in season setting over the last 25 years, I can say 
> that I am aware of no mechanism through which DEC could change season timing 
> or other regulations within a small area of one of the five major management 
> zones in the state.  
> 
> 3) I know we have a TRADITION of counting on New Year's Day. (And I love to 
> start the new year this way.) But would counting on a different day change 
> the value of the data we collect? And in a significant manner?
>  
> I know others can speak to this more knowledgeably that I can.  I recall in 
> previous years so good discussion of the pros and cons of changing the timing 
> of counts, etc. 
>  
> Hope this helps
> Jody Enck
> 
> 
> Chris T-H: If this discussion gets too far off topic for the listserve, let 
> us know!
> 
> Bob McGuire
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] weekend birds, hunting pressure

[Kenneth V. Rosenberg]

Hi all,

I knew I would regret starting this annual conversation, but it is an important 
one to keep having. I will just point out that if waterfowl hunting (and 
associated population management) had not started in the U.S. in 1933, we would 
have no huge migratory flocks of ducks and geese, and no refuges and other 
beautiful preserved wetlands to visit. We would be like most other countries in 
having a combination of unregulated hunting and horribly depleted wildlife 
populations and degraded wetland habitat. OUr system is the world model for 
adaptive wildlife management -- and it is all based on the voice and monetary 
support of the hunting constituency (will also point out that their support is 
mandatory, through license fees and taxes on hunting related merchandise). That 
is how the whole system of wildlife refuges and management is set up. If the 
vast and growing birding community would like to have more of a say in all of 
this then the answer is simple -- we need to build a system that will 
contribute the hundreds of millions of dollars needed to implement the 
conservation of bird habitat (including forests, grasslands, and other 
non-wetland habitats). Attempts to set up such a system based on non 
consumptive  wildlife user support have met resistance from our own industries 
and our own organizations, and have ultimately failed. It is past time for 
birders to put our money where our mouths are.

Tirades aside, the simplest solution for us locally is to move the Ithaca CBC 
to accommodate the conflicting use of our count area. As Laura suggests, an 
earlier count date will attract more area birders and will have negligible 
affect on our long-term data, compared with the major disturbance caused by the 
late hunting season.

KEN


Ken Rosenberg
Conservation Science Program
Cornell Lab of Ornithology
607-254-2412
607-342-4594 (cell)
k...@cornell.edu

On Dec 30, 2013, at 7:52 AM, Linda Orkin 
mailto:wingmagi...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:

The opinion that follows is strictly my own and does not reflect any official 
position of the Cayuga Bird Club. Although I wish it did.

I will not be one of the ones that says I have nothing against hunting because 
I do, sorry.

But even if I thought hunting was a great thing, I feel it is totally bizarre 
to have this slaughter, harassment and disregard for life going on right INSIDE 
our own city limits in a public park where any and all are exposed to this 
carnage and risk.

I am attaching a link to the article that Jane Graves discovered and published 
in our October newsletter re:the imposition of waterfowl hunting  in 1933. Too 
bad it was ever started. I would support Dave's suggestion to petition the DEC 
to rescind this permission at the south end of the lake.

http://cayugabirdclub.blogspot.com/2013/10/a-note-from-past.html

Have a great count day on January 1. There's still time to sign up if you'd 
like. Email me.

Linda Orkin


Sent from my iPhone

On Dec 29, 2013, at 10:51 PM, Dave Nutter 
mailto:nutter.d...@me.com>> wrote:

Perhaps the line of fire & proximity of people & buildings was the reason the 
DEC police called in the gunners who were in the SW corner of the lake tied to 
a tree along the shore of Treman. I saw in the background 2 adults and a child 
on the beach of the west shore, associated with the first house, a large new 
one.

I'd like to petition the DEC to have the south end of the lake, say the portion 
within the City of Ithaca, which does not allow firing guns, off limits to 
hunting.

--Dave Nutter

On Dec 29, 2013, at 08:47 PM, Anne Clark 
mailto:anneb.cl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

It sounds as if some of these folks might be illegally close to buildings, 
although I suppose they argue that their guns are pointing down the lake.  On 
the other hand, in the park area, trails and inlets make a complex problem for 
claiming that nothing could be in the line of fire when shooting at ducks 
flying in and over.  Do they really stop firing when the ducks swing toward 
shore?

Per the DEC hunting regulations

Question: How far from a building do I have to be to discharge my firearm?
Answer: You cannot discharge a firearm or bow within 500 feet of any school, 
playground, occupied factory or church. You cannot discharge a firearm or bow 
within 500 feet of a dwelling, farm building, or structure unless you own it, 
lease it, are an immediate member of the family, an employee, or have the 
owner's consent. This does not apply to the discharge of a shotgun over water 
when hunting migratory game birds and no dwelling, public structure, livestock, 
or person is in the line of fire.

On Dec 29, 2013, at 5:07 PM, Kenneth V. Rosenberg wrote:

I birded at East Shore Park on Saturday mid-day, and at Stewart Park this 
morning -- I must say that I have never seen so much hunting pressure at the 
south end of the lake. I want to say clearly that I am not against legal duck 
hunting in well managed areas (and I buy a Mi

[cayugabirds-l] Snowey Owl/ Sat. Dec. 28

[Donna Jean Darling]

Sighted a SNO in Newfield at the sw corner of intersection of Trumbulls Cors. 
Rd and Blovsky Hill Rd. at 3:45 p.m.   It was hunting from atop a round hay 
bale along Blovsky Hill Rd.


Smile:  it's contagious!
Donna Jean
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[cayugabirds-l] Snowey Owl

[Neil F. Belcher]

Sighted a Snowy Owl in Ithaca at 3:15pm, flying south over Cass Park



-Neil Belcher



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[cayugabirds-l] Syracuse RBA

[Joseph Brin]

RBA
 
*  New York
*  Syracuse
* December 30, 2013
*  NYSY  12. 30. 13
 
Hotline: Syracuse Rare bird Alert
Dates(s):

December 23, 2013 - December 30, 2013
to report by e-mail: brinjoseph AT yahoo.com
covering upstate NY counties: Cayuga, Montezuma National Wildlife Refuge
and Montezuma Wetlands Complex (MWC) (just outside Cayuga County),
Onondaga, Oswego, Lewis, Jefferson, Oneida, Herkimer,  Madison & Cortland
compiled:December 30 AT 7:00 p.m. (EST)
compiler: Joseph Brin
Onondaga Audubon Homepage: www.onondagaaudubon.org
 
 
#375 Monday December 30, 2013
 
Greetings. This is the Syracuse Area Rare Bird Alert for the week of 
December 23, 2013
 
Highlights:
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BLACK VULTURE
PEREGRINE FALCON
SNOWY OWL
SAW-WHET OWL
SHORT-EARED OWL
NORTHERN SHRIKE
LAPLAND LONGSPUR




Montezuma National Wildlife Refuge (MNWR) and Montezuma Wetlands Complex (MWC)


     12/24: SNOWY OWLS seen at the mucklands along Rt. 31just into Wayne 
County. Also seen on the 27th.
     12/29: A SNOWY OWL was see at the winery where Rt. 98 intersects with Rts. 
5 and 20.


Oneida County


     11/23: A SNOWY and SHORT-EARED OWL were reported in the Rome area.


Onondaga County


     12/24: A NORTHERN SHRIKE was found on #2 East Road in Pompey. A SNOWY OWL 
and a large flock of SNOW BUNTINGS were seen on Hoag Road south of 
Baldwinsville.
     12/25: A SNOWY OWL was seen near Wal-Mart on Rt. 31 in the Town of Clay.
     12/26: A NORTHERN SHRIKE was seen on Conners Road south of Baldwinsville.
     12/27: 3 SNOWY OWLS were seen at Hancock Airport. 2 were seen on the 29th. 
so the airport remains the most reliable place to see them.
     12/28: A PEREGRINE FALCON was seen near the intersection of Conners Road 
and East Sorrell Hill Road south of Baldwinsville. Probably the same bird was 
seen nearby the next day.
     12/29: A SAW-WHET OWL was seen at a residence in Pompey.
     12/30: 2 BLACK VULTURES were found on Manlius Center Road in East Syracuse.


Madison County


     12/24: A SNOWY OWL was found on Mile Strip Road
     12/27: A SNOWY OWL was seen on Buyea Road south of Canastota.
     12/28: A SNOWY OWL was seen at the sod farm on Lakeport Road north of 
Chittenango.


Oswego County


     12/26: A SNOWY OWL was found on Red School House Road near Palermo.
     12/28: A LAPLAND LONGSPUR was seen on Mitchell Street in oswego.
     12/30: A SNOWY OWL  was found in Willianstown.
     

    
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Region 5
Baldwinsville, N.Y.  13027  U.S.A.
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[cayugabirds-l] possible violations

[Dave Nutter]

Thanks for the link to the regulations. I think I've seen violations of the following:(b) Hunting methods. Migratory game birds on which open 
seasons are prescribed in this section may be taken by any method except
 those prohibited in this subdivision. No person shall take migratory 
game birds:(3) from or by means, aid, or use of a sinkbox or any 
other type of low floating device, having a depression affording the 
hunter a means of concealment beneath the surface of the water;(6) by the use or aid of live birds as decoys; 
although not limited to, it shall be a violation of this paragraph for 
any person to take migratory waterfowl on an area where tame or captive 
live ducks or geese are present unless such birds are and have been for a
 period of 10 consecutive days prior to such taking, confined within an 
enclosure which substantially reduces the audibility of their calls and 
totally conceals such birds from the sight of wild migratory waterfowl;(8) by means or aid of any motor-driven land, water, 
or air conveyance, or any sailboat used for the purpose of or resulting 
in concentrating, driving, rallying or stirring up of any migratory 
bird; In other years I have seen a gunner off Stewart Park &/or Treman Park using a low floating device for a single person to lie down in the lake. This appears to me to be a violation of (3).I believe there are tame waterfowl along the east side of Cayuga Lake from the houses both north and south of East Shore Park. These include white geese and various Mallard-type ducks. According to (6) that should make East Shore Park and the Cornell Boating Center dock off limits to gunners, yet gunners tie up there as well as using the shoreline to the south. In years past I have seen a boat of guys in camo (similar to other boats of gunners) drive out into the middle of the lake with the apparent purpose and certain effect of stirring up waterfowl which had been resting and avoiding the gunners stationed various places along the shore at the south end of Cayuga Lake, so (8) has definitely been violated. I suspect that is what a boat was being used for on Saturday, although I did not follow its interactions with the very distant birds in the middle of the lake. I did note that one of the gunners attached to the Treman shoreline was using a walkie-talkie, so it seems possible it was part of a coordinated effort. --Dave Nutter
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[cayugabirds-l] Diving birds?

[Weinberg, Kathy C]

My husband and I thought we saw a flock of birds on Cayuga Lake, near the Yacht 
Club on the west side of the lake, exhibiting what we thought was strange 
behavior just before Thanksgiving - synchronized diving.  There were perhaps 
200 light grey-colored birds on the water, which we thought looked like 
seagulls.  We looked away for a moment, and when we looked back the birds had 
vanished - not just most of them, but every single bird.  Soon thereafter they 
all reappeared at once.  It was like a magic trick.  We can't say for certain 
they didn't fly off, but we are almost positive they didn't fly back; they just 
all appeared at once, with no stragglers.  Then they disappeared and reappeared 
again.  The only explanation we could think of was that they had all dived and 
resurfaced in unison.  We are not experienced birders, so we have no idea what 
type of birds we were seeing or whether we were misinterpreting their behavior. 
 Any explanations very welcome.

Kathy Weinberg
Ithaca, New York


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[cayugabirds-l] Migratory Game Bird Seasons

[M Miller]

The question was asked who sets the dates for duck & goose seasons. According 
to the NY Hunting & Trapping guide “most Migratory game bird regulations are 
set by the Federal Government in late summer”. The guide goes on to state that 
all additional information in that section is tentative and finalized info will 
be on the DEC website and from license-issuing agents. 

 

I assume that the DEC (a NY state agency) does have some input, especially 
since seasons vary within the state according to regional boundaries.

 

Local governments may also have some say since the type of firearm (i.e. 
shotgun, rifle, etc.) varies from county to county (Ontario & Wayne counties 
just allowed the use of rifles for big game hunting this year).

 

That doesn’t actually answer the question, but I think it is more than just one 
agency that determine the actual dates. 

 

I support hunting, even though I sometimes wish that it wasn’t always allowed 
when I am trying to bird in their vicinity. Remember this quote from Gov. 
Cuomo; “hunting, fishing, and trapping are a key part of our tourism industry, 
generating more than $8.1 billion of economic activity in New York.”

 

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[cayugabirds-l] Diving birds

[M Miller]

They sound like Mergansers (either Common or Red-breasted) and they will dive 
all at once like that. I watched a group near Sheldrake a week or 2 ago, and 
they would completely disappear, then resurface a minute or so later.

 


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