Re: [cayugabirds-l] Future of Lott Farm & Basin Upland Sandpipers?

[Dave Nutter]

I don’t think I am the best person to organize or make contact. I think there 
are people who can speak well about conservation and agriculture and programs 
as well as what birders or bird clubs or other organizations might offer. 

What I think would be good to cover would include: 
* How very grateful we are that the Lotts have for years managed the land in a 
way that let grassland birds, particularly Upland Sandpipers breed there, the 
only remaining place in our area.
* How very grateful we are that the Lotts have allowed birders onto their 
property to see and hear and observe the many kinds of birds including the 
Upland Sandpipers, but also Snowy Owls, Horned Larks, Eastern Meadowlarks, 
Bobolinks, Savannah Sparrows, and even sometimes Grasshopper Sparrows, American 
Kestrels...
* If there is any way we can help the Lotts to continue to keep grassland 
habitat and the birds that use it, despite the loss of the Empire State Farm 
Days, we would like to try. 

The land is theirs and I assume that, unless they already have some 
conservation easement or funding, they could dig it up tomorrow and we must 
respect that. It’s literally their business, not ours, and even asking about 
their plans, let alone trying to influence them, might be offensive, so I’m not 
sure how to even broach the subject, but I feel there are people among us who 
could do this well.

I don’t know what we can offer financially, either as organizations or as 
individuals, such as a small entrance fee or membership, but I think birders 
should consider this.

Of course what also would have to happen is an assessment of what the shared 
sentiments of birders are. Maybe I’m making assumptions that are not valid.

Thank you, everyone who has contributed to this.

- - Dave Nutter

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 8:52 PM, Suan Hsi Yong  wrote:
> 
> As Cayuga Bird Club president, I'll bring this up for discussion at
> our next executive committee meeting. It sounds like engaging with the
> Lotts might be a good first step. Meanwhile, if anyone wants to play
> an active role in pursuing this further, perhaps with the backing of
> the bird club, let me know.
> 
> Suan
> 
> 
>> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 7:38 AM Robert Horn  wrote:
>> 
>> I agree that contacting the Finger Lakes Land Trust could be beneficial. 
>> They certainly are experts in land conservation. Bob Horn
>> 
>> On Jan 10, 2021, at 6:26 AM, John Gregoire  
>> wrote:
>> 
>> Dave,
>> The state has a strong farmland trust which greatly benefit the owner in 
>> cash which is in exchange for keeping it farmland. I have no further detail/
>> John
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 8:17 PM Dave Nutter  wrote:
>>> 
>>> As many of you know, the private Lott Farm, located on the NE corner of 
>>> NYS-414 and Martin Rd on the south border of the Town of Seneca Falls, has 
>>> long been the site for the August farm equipment fair called Empire Farm 
>>> Days. Therefore it has fortuitously been managed as an extensive grassland. 
>>> It is the only remaining breeding site in the Cayuga Lake Basin for Upland 
>>> Sandpipers (They bred between Wood Rd & Caswell Rd in Dryden years ago, 
>>> before a few houses went in there.) as well as a great place for many other 
>>> breeding grassland birds, the occasional rare Dickcissel, plus fairly 
>>> regular Snowy Owls in winter. Furthermore, the owner has been gracious in 
>>> granting access, without charging any fee, to birders who simply request 
>>> permission, describe their vehicle, and agree to remain on the gravel roads.
>>> 
>>> In talking to Reuben Stoltzfus this evening I learned that we cannot take 
>>> for granted the situation which had simply been the result of good luck and 
>>> generosity. This past year, the Empire State Farm Days event did not take 
>>> place due to the COVID-19 pandemic. But also the event is now under new 
>>> management who have chosen a different site for the future. This means that 
>>> whatever profit and benefit which the Lott Farm gained from that event is 
>>> gone. And they never got any benefit except good will from us birders.
>>> 
>>> While Reuben has not talked to the farm owner and did not know of any plans 
>>> for this land which had been managed as grassland, I think it’s safe to 
>>> assume that there is a strong incentive for the owner to find some use 
>>> which will pay the taxes or turn a profit, and that grassland bird habitat 
>>> may not be in the picture unless action is taken quickly to encourage 
>>> future management to allow these birds to continue, before decisions are 
>>> made  - if they have not been finalized already - for the plowing or 
>>> construction season this spring.
>>> 
>>> Is this something about which local bird clubs would want to work with the 
>>> owner of Lott farm? Are there DEC programs which can reimburse landowners 
>>> for maintaining such habitat? Would bird clubs want to help more directly? 
>>> Would birders be willing to pay a small fee for the privilege of 

[cayugabirds-l] Mergs

[Donna Lee Scott]

Today at Lansing Station Rd by sunny Cayuga Lake, I saw 18 Red-breasted 
Mergansers, some of whom were smartly tossing & bowing their heads!

Also scattered around were over 20 Goldeneyes, several Mallards & Black Ducks, 
2 little Buffleheads & ~250 Canada Geese.

Donna Scott
Lansing
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Future of Lott Farm & Basin Upland Sandpipers?

[Suan Hsi Yong]

As Cayuga Bird Club president, I'll bring this up for discussion at
our next executive committee meeting. It sounds like engaging with the
Lotts might be a good first step. Meanwhile, if anyone wants to play
an active role in pursuing this further, perhaps with the backing of
the bird club, let me know.

Suan


On Sun, Jan 10, 2021 at 7:38 AM Robert Horn  wrote:
>
> I agree that contacting the Finger Lakes Land Trust could be beneficial. They 
> certainly are experts in land conservation. Bob Horn
>
> On Jan 10, 2021, at 6:26 AM, John Gregoire  
> wrote:
>
> Dave,
> The state has a strong farmland trust which greatly benefit the owner in cash 
> which is in exchange for keeping it farmland. I have no further detail/
> John
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 8:17 PM Dave Nutter  wrote:
>>
>> As many of you know, the private Lott Farm, located on the NE corner of 
>> NYS-414 and Martin Rd on the south border of the Town of Seneca Falls, has 
>> long been the site for the August farm equipment fair called Empire Farm 
>> Days. Therefore it has fortuitously been managed as an extensive grassland. 
>> It is the only remaining breeding site in the Cayuga Lake Basin for Upland 
>> Sandpipers (They bred between Wood Rd & Caswell Rd in Dryden years ago, 
>> before a few houses went in there.) as well as a great place for many other 
>> breeding grassland birds, the occasional rare Dickcissel, plus fairly 
>> regular Snowy Owls in winter. Furthermore, the owner has been gracious in 
>> granting access, without charging any fee, to birders who simply request 
>> permission, describe their vehicle, and agree to remain on the gravel roads.
>>
>> In talking to Reuben Stoltzfus this evening I learned that we cannot take 
>> for granted the situation which had simply been the result of good luck and 
>> generosity. This past year, the Empire State Farm Days event did not take 
>> place due to the COVID-19 pandemic. But also the event is now under new 
>> management who have chosen a different site for the future. This means that 
>> whatever profit and benefit which the Lott Farm gained from that event is 
>> gone. And they never got any benefit except good will from us birders.
>>
>> While Reuben has not talked to the farm owner and did not know of any plans 
>> for this land which had been managed as grassland, I think it’s safe to 
>> assume that there is a strong incentive for the owner to find some use which 
>> will pay the taxes or turn a profit, and that grassland bird habitat may not 
>> be in the picture unless action is taken quickly to encourage future 
>> management to allow these birds to continue, before decisions are made  - if 
>> they have not been finalized already - for the plowing or construction 
>> season this spring.
>>
>> Is this something about which local bird clubs would want to work with the 
>> owner of Lott farm? Are there DEC programs which can reimburse landowners 
>> for maintaining such habitat? Would bird clubs want to help more directly? 
>> Would birders be willing to pay a small fee for the privilege of birding 
>> there or to become members of some organization for the pride of knowing 
>> they are helping some regionally rare birds survive where we can sometimes 
>> see them?
>>
>> These are just some ideas based on very limited information. I know there 
>> are people reading this who are far better than I am at organizing, 
>> networking, researching, and promoting these things. Please think about it, 
>> discuss it, and help ensure that come mid-April the Upland Sandpipers have a 
>> home to return to. Thanks.
>>
>> - - Dave Nutter
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Nita Irby's post

[anneb . clark]

Please remember that at this time the DEC controls the dam and thus lake. 
Writing the DEC and also being alert for a public comment period once they 
decide on their choice of action (repair, replace or remove) will be the most 
direct routes to influence. 

You certainly should register support for the lake and its value with Dryden 
government , but the Town Board does not at this time own or control decisions 
about  the dam. 

The Conservation Board sent the document to the Town Board as the body that we 
can advise directly. 

Best. Anne

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> On Jan 10, 2021, at 10:37 AM, Bard Prentiss  wrote:
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> Hi All,
> Nita Irby’s post is spot on. Living on the lake she knows it’s value.
> It is also true that your “SUPPORT IS ALSO NEEDED” 
> 
> Please write: 
> DEC and the  Dryden Town Board and post information about 
> the issue where ever else it might be appropriate.
> Best,
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[cayugabirds-l] Nita Irby's post

[Bard Prentiss]

Hi All,
Nita Irby’s post is spot on. Living on the lake she knows it’s value.
It is also true that your “SUPPORT IS ALSO NEEDED” 

Please write: 
DEC and the  Dryden Town Board and post information about 
the issue where ever else it might be appropriate.
Best,
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dryden Conservation Board Resolution Recommending Preservation of Dryden Lake Dam

[Nita L. Irby]

Hi all:
It is my understanding that the posted resolution is from the Dryden 
Conservation Board and was sent to the Dryden Town Board. Our support is still 
needed.

Per an inquiry to the Conservation Board last Fall, letters or petitions 
supporting the preservation of Dryden Lake should be sent to:
the Town of Dryden Board at 93 East Main Street Dryden NY 13053 ( Town 
Supervisor- Jason Leifer )

And, more importantly, to:

the local Dept of Environmental Conservation Office in Cortland (1285 Fisher 
Avenue, Cortland NY 13045). Unfortunately I don’t have a contact name in the 
local DEC office (the DEC “owns” the lake and the dam).

Regarding water quality in the lake (we have lived on Dryden Lake for 12 
years): water quality has markedly improved IMO over the last 10 - 12 years. 
Yes, there is algae in the summer (as there is in most all of our small and 
large local lakes recently) but I have never noticed offensive odors anywhere 
near the lake. The heavy plant growth noted in the DEC fisheries survey 
 has markedly improved, I assume 
related to the booming carp population.  Fishing is excellent, winter and 
summer (some huge large mouth bass plus bluegill, sunfish, crappie, perch, 
etc). Birding, as all of you know, is really terrific (GH owls, bald eagles, 
osprey and many more nest nearby and so many other birds are on or around the 
lake seasonally).  Lots of mammals have been spotted nearby, including coyote, 
fox, fisher, mink, ermine, beaver (population exploding☹️), and more. Canoeing 
and kayaking are popular seasonally. The lake is a high-wind area and winter 
“para-skating / para-boarding / para-skiing” are very popular (15+ children 
with parents sailing around the lake just yesterday).  Local sky-watchers love 
the area at night.

All of the above would appreciate any support that you have time to give to 
Dryden Lake. I have no idea how to organize an online petition - maybe someone 
reading this does - but snail mail still carries a lot of weight, too.

Many thanks!
Nita Irby





From: bounce-125276874-69308...@list.cornell.edu 
 on behalf of Dave Nutter 

Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 8:20:31 PM
To: CAYUGABIRDS-L 
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dryden Conservation Board Resolution Recommending 
Preservation of Dryden Lake Dam

Is this DRAFT resolution the thing which we need to write to the board about 
our support right away, or has it already been passed, such that we can relax 
or take some next step?

- - Dave Nutter

On Jan 9, 2021, at 5:28 PM, Mary Ann Lutz 
mailto:m...@cornell.edu>> wrote:

I would be able to donate to a fund for preservation of the lake.




From: 
bounce-125276679-24840...@list.cornell.edu
 
mailto:bounce-125276679-24840...@list.cornell.edu>>
 on behalf of Poppy Singer 
mailto:poppysinger.ith...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 3:31 PM
To: Regi Teasley mailto:rltcay...@gmail.com>>
Cc: Bard Prentiss mailto:bvanwoer...@gmail.com>>; 
CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>; Marie 
P. Read mailto:m...@cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dryden Conservation Board Resolution Recommending 
Preservation of Dryden Lake Dam

Great letter!

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 3:05 PM Regi Teasley 
mailto:rltcay...@gmail.com>> wrote:
I would love to see birders, as birders, taking an active role in supporting 
local environmental protection.
Regi


“The future of the world is nuts.”  Philip Rutter, founder of the American 
Chestnut Foundation


On Jan 9, 2021, at 2:32 PM, Marie P. Read 
mailto:m...@cornell.edu>> wrote:


...or maybe I should have said “...help support financially.”


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From: 
bounce-125276647-5851...@list.cornell.edu
 
mailto:bounce-125276647-5851...@list.cornell.edu>>
 on behalf of Marie P. Read mailto:m...@cornell.edu>>
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 2:30:01 PM
To: Bard Prentiss mailto:bvanwoer...@gmail.com>>; 
CAYUGABIRDS-L 
mailto:cayugabird...@list.cornell.edu>>; 
NATURAL-HISTORY-L 
mailto:natural-histor...@list.cornell.edu>>
Subject: Re: [cayugabirds-l] Dryden Conservation Board Resolution Recommending 
Preservation of Dryden Lake Dam

Good news...losing Dryden Lake would be a tragedy for wildlife and humans 
alike. If/when the expected grumbling about finding the needed funds and how 
that would affect local taxes comes up, this should be a project that the local 
birding community could support financially?

Marie

Get Outlook for iOS

From: 
bounce-125276602-5851...@list.cornell.edu
 
mailto:bounce-125276602-5851...@list.cornell.edu>>
 on behalf of Bard Prentiss 
mailto:bvanwoer...@gmail.com>>
Sent: Saturday, January 9, 2021 

Re: [cayugabirds-l] Future of Lott Farm & Basin Upland Sandpipers?

[Robert Horn]

I agree that contacting the Finger Lakes Land Trust could be beneficial. They 
certainly are experts in land conservation. Bob Horn

> On Jan 10, 2021, at 6:26 AM, John Gregoire  
> wrote:
> 
> Dave,
> The state has a strong farmland trust which greatly benefit the owner in cash 
> which is in exchange for keeping it farmland. I have no further detail/
> John
> 
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 8:17 PM Dave Nutter  > wrote:
> As many of you know, the private Lott Farm, located on the NE corner of 
> NYS-414 and Martin Rd on the south border of the Town of Seneca Falls, has 
> long been the site for the August farm equipment fair called Empire Farm 
> Days. Therefore it has fortuitously been managed as an extensive grassland. 
> It is the only remaining breeding site in the Cayuga Lake Basin for Upland 
> Sandpipers (They bred between Wood Rd & Caswell Rd in Dryden years ago, 
> before a few houses went in there.) as well as a great place for many other 
> breeding grassland birds, the occasional rare Dickcissel, plus fairly regular 
> Snowy Owls in winter. Furthermore, the owner has been gracious in granting 
> access, without charging any fee, to birders who simply request permission, 
> describe their vehicle, and agree to remain on the gravel roads. 
> 
> In talking to Reuben Stoltzfus this evening I learned that we cannot take for 
> granted the situation which had simply been the result of good luck and 
> generosity. This past year, the Empire State Farm Days event did not take 
> place due to the COVID-19 pandemic. But also the event is now under new 
> management who have chosen a different site for the future. This means that 
> whatever profit and benefit which the Lott Farm gained from that event is 
> gone. And they never got any benefit except good will from us birders.  
> 
> While Reuben has not talked to the farm owner and did not know of any plans 
> for this land which had been managed as grassland, I think it’s safe to 
> assume that there is a strong incentive for the owner to find some use which 
> will pay the taxes or turn a profit, and that grassland bird habitat may not 
> be in the picture unless action is taken quickly to encourage future 
> management to allow these birds to continue, before decisions are made  - if 
> they have not been finalized already - for the plowing or construction season 
> this spring. 
> 
> Is this something about which local bird clubs would want to work with the 
> owner of Lott farm? Are there DEC programs which can reimburse landowners for 
> maintaining such habitat? Would bird clubs want to help more directly? Would 
> birders be willing to pay a small fee for the privilege of birding there or 
> to become members of some organization for the pride of knowing they are 
> helping some regionally rare birds survive where we can sometimes see them?  
> 
> These are just some ideas based on very limited information. I know there are 
> people reading this who are far better than I am at organizing, networking, 
> researching, and promoting these things. Please think about it, discuss it, 
> and help ensure that come mid-April the Upland Sandpipers have a home to 
> return to. Thanks.
> 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] Future of Lott Farm & Basin Upland Sandpipers?

[John Gregoire]

Dave,
The state has a strong farmland trust which greatly benefit the owner in
cash which is in exchange for keeping it farmland. I have no further detail/
John

On Sat, Jan 9, 2021 at 8:17 PM Dave Nutter  wrote:

> As many of you know, the private Lott Farm, located on the NE corner of
> NYS-414 and Martin Rd on the south border of the Town of Seneca Falls, has
> long been the site for the August farm equipment fair called Empire Farm
> Days. Therefore it has fortuitously been managed as an extensive grassland.
> It is the only remaining breeding site in the Cayuga Lake Basin for Upland
> Sandpipers (They bred between Wood Rd & Caswell Rd in Dryden years ago,
> before a few houses went in there.) as well as a great place for many other
> breeding grassland birds, the occasional rare Dickcissel, plus fairly
> regular Snowy Owls in winter. Furthermore, the owner has been gracious in
> granting access, without charging any fee, to birders who simply request
> permission, describe their vehicle, and agree to remain on the gravel
> roads.
>
> In talking to Reuben Stoltzfus this evening I learned that we cannot take
> for granted the situation which had simply been the result of good luck and
> generosity. This past year, the Empire State Farm Days event did not take
> place due to the COVID-19 pandemic. But also the event is now under new
> management who have chosen a different site for the future. This means that
> whatever profit and benefit which the Lott Farm gained from that event is
> gone. And they never got any benefit except good will from us birders.
>
> While Reuben has not talked to the farm owner and did not know of any
> plans for this land which had been managed as grassland, I think it’s safe
> to assume that there is a strong incentive for the owner to find some use
> which will pay the taxes or turn a profit, and that grassland bird habitat
> may not be in the picture unless action is taken quickly to encourage
> future management to allow these birds to continue, before decisions are
> made  - if they have not been finalized already - for the plowing or
> construction season this spring.
>
> Is this something about which local bird clubs would want to work with the
> owner of Lott farm? Are there DEC programs which can reimburse landowners
> for maintaining such habitat? Would bird clubs want to help more directly?
> Would birders be willing to pay a small fee for the privilege of birding
> there or to become members of some organization for the pride of knowing
> they are helping some regionally rare birds survive where we can sometimes
> see them?
>
> These are just some ideas based on very limited information. I know there
> are people reading this who are far better than I am at organizing,
> networking, researching, and promoting these things. Please think about it,
> discuss it, and help ensure that come mid-April the Upland Sandpipers have
> a home to return to. Thanks.
>
> - - Dave Nutter
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