Re: [cayugabirds-l] City of Ithaca: Raven, non-count-week Gadwall, legal sanctuary at south end of lake

2015-01-07 Thread bob mcguire
Geo - 

It is not just Stewart Park that is within the City limits. Looking at 2 on 
the County map at http://geo.tompkins-co.org/html/?viewer=tcpropmo you can see 
that both jetties and Hog Hole are all within the City hence, I would assume, 
are covered by the City ordinance prohibiting hunting.

I'm guessing that the City does not have a boat and would have to rely on the 
TC Sheriff's Dept. for coverage. It gets messy! 

But the hunters do have to launch from somewhere, thus have vehicles waiting.

Bob


On Jan 7, 2015, at 8:21 AM, Geo Kloppel wrote:

 Does the Ithaca Police Dept have a police boat? That seems like it would be 
 essential equipment for enforcing the firearms ban in the portion of Stewart 
 Park that extends 2,000' north over the water.
 
 -Geo 
 
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Re: [cayugabirds-l] City of Ithaca: Raven, non-count-week Gadwall, legal sanctuary at south end of lake

2015-01-07 Thread Geo Kloppel
Does the Ithaca Police Dept have a police boat? That seems like it would be 
essential equipment for enforcing the firearms ban in the portion of Stewart 
Park that extends 2,000' north over the water.

-Geo 

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[cayugabirds-l] City of Ithaca: Raven, non-count-week Gadwall, legal sanctuary at south end of lake

2015-01-06 Thread Dave Nutter
From Stewart Avenue yesterday (Monday 5 Jan) I saw a COMMON RAVEN cruising 
west over Cascadilla Gorge. It would be so cool if they nested there!

I also had a chance to stop briefly in Stewart Park yesterday. Among the few 
Mallards were two GADWALL, a day too late for Count Week, which was rather a 
bust due to gunnery all weekend. There were very few waterfowl visible on the 
lake from Stewart Park on Saturday at dawn. By Saturday mid-day zero waterfowl 
were visible by scope on the lake, and several guys in camo walked up and told 
Bob and me that they intended to shoot the geese and Mallards sleeping on the 
narrow ice shelf in front of us, despite being informed of the City's ban on 
hunting and the location of the border of the City far out in the lake. Perhaps 
the domestics I pointed out in the flock gave all these birds a reprieve for a 
few hours, because eventually the guys said they wouldn't do it that day. But 
Sunday morning the guys were sitting on a log, a skiff beached beside them, a 
few yards from solid land west of the dock in Stewart Park, making Mallard 
calls and shooting at ducks, while Canada Geese packed the southeast corner of 
the lake. I give those guys some credit in that they did not fire at the GREAT 
BLUE HERON which flew close in front of them, but honestly it seems pathetic, 
after emptying the lake, to resort to going to a City park to shoot birds which 
graze and rest on the lawns, wander among picnickers, and get fed by little 
kids.

Legally the shallow south end of the lake is a refuge: Hunting is banned in the 
City of Ithaca (City Code, Section 219-2.A. (1) http://ecode360.com/8390734). 
The City of Ithaca includes the south end of Cayuga Lake, with the boundary 
extending north just past 940 East Shore Drive (northernmost of the first few 
houses on the east side and home of domestic ducks), west across Cayuga Lake, 
and along the west shore from 883 Taughannock Boulevard south past about 20 
houses. However, the land on the east and west shores is outside the City, 
except the southernmost house on the west side appears to be in the City, being 
recently built on land which was apparenly added after the boundary was set).

By my GoogleMap calculations, the City's north boundary is about 800' north of 
the east end of the shoreline at Stewart Park, over 2000' north of the shore of 
the swan pond (where I met gunners in December), over 1400' north of the white 
lighthouse, and about 800' north of the red lighthouse (where gunners often 
park a boat), which is almost halfway to the piling cluster. In addition to all 
of the southwest corner of the lake, the City of Ithaca encompasses all the Hog 
Hole in Treman State Marine Park (where gunners also are active along the 
lakeshore), because the City line follows the east edge of Taughannock 
Boulevard for over 1500' north from Williams Brook (where the speed limit 
changes) before dropping down to the lake. City of Ithaca waters are a valuable 
feeding and resting area for many species of waterfowl, and afford great 
viewing from the shoreline of parks in the City. City waters do not extend the 
half mile north to the Town's East Shore Park and the Cornell boating center. 
The City boundary is mapped here (zoom in; click on properties for addreses): 
http://geo.tompkins-co.org/html/?viewer=tcpropmo and described rather arcanely 
in the City Charter here (lines 49-60 describe this area): 
http://ecode360.com/8385257 .

Stewart Park extends north to the north City line (City Code Section 336-10 
http://ecode360.com/8395295), and includes a couple more protections in that 
no motorboat shall land at the beach in the park, nor shall any motorboat 
approach close to any such beach. (336-19 http://ecode360.com/8395307), and 
No person shall carry, transport or possess any firearm of any nature in the 
park, but this section shall not apply to duly constituted peace officers. 
(336-22 http://ecode360.com/8395310).

Clearly many parkgoers have been offended by the guys with guns, because they 
said they've had cops called on them numerous times. So far they have talked 
their way out of all problems except one failure to wear a life vest in a boat. 
The gunners contend that, regardless of City laws, they may shoot from anywhere 
in the lake below the high water line, even if it is dry land when the lake is 
drawn down for the winter. I have not yet seen that regulation about the 
high-water line of Cayuga Lake, but I have gotten support for the City ban 
being in effect regardless. At the Goose Summit this past fall, Tom Bell of 
the Cortland office of NYSDEC said that the City's hunting ban takes 
precedence, but that DEC doesn't enforce the City law. I later asked for 
confirmation and clarification, and he emailed me:

 about the hunting issue at the south end of the lake. DEC has no jurisdiction 
in the matter, its completely a city ordinance. If Ithaca chooses to enforce it 
(or not), we have no say. In terms of the