Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Voice Retirement

[Martin Sloan]

Nice work, Josh!  I've been forwarding to everyone I know in the industry
via any contact I have.

As far as current IE contact info, I'm sure IPExpert has a pretty nice list
of IE's on file :-).  Do they ever send out 'Alumni Updates'?  I know I'd
like to be kept in the loop on this if I hadn't heard.


On Mon, Jun 3, 2013 at 12:43 PM, Josh Petro  wrote:

> Hello all
> I've sent the link to the change.com petition to my entire Cisco account
> team which comprises multiple CCIEs. I've also connected with a bunch of my
> other contractor companies, so the word is out. Many of the people I've
> been talking to feel the same way we do about what Cisco has done. Im
> hoping Cisco will be reasonable and change their position. I would love to
> find a way to contact all of the current CCIE voice cert holder to get
> their input, but I realize that's an ambitious goal (but Im sure Cisco
> would listen more closely).
> Josh
> On Jun 2, 2013 9:44 AM, "Martin Sloan"  wrote:
>
>> Awesome!
>>
>>
>> On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Bill Lake  wrote:
>>
>>> Dear Ben,
>>>
>>> In the last several years I have installed many Cisco Telepresence
>>> 3200/3000, 1300, 500 and 9200/9000 series systems.  I have done work with
>>> personal video conferencing systems on executive desktops. I have also been
>>> involved in many installations of VoIP systems from around 50 to over 3000
>>> phones at one location. I have also installed more software clients that
>>> support voice and video than I care to remember. I hope I am the very type
>>> of person that Cisco wants to earn their CCIE Voice.
>>>
>>> I earned that CCIE Voice this year to open doors for me and afford me
>>> some opportunities that were weren't there before.  Now just a short time
>>> after earning my CCIE with very relevant skills in today's market, Cisco
>>> has decided to close the door on CCIE Voice and introduce CCIE
>>> Collaboration.
>>>
>>> This clearly is within Cisco's right to do and as a name, it better fits
>>> what communications have evolved into.  That said, the underlying
>>> technology and ability to work on it have not changes.  Yes video has
>>> different requirements than voice but once you learn to provide good voice
>>> quality, you can leverage that to provide good video quality. The same is
>>> true of almost all of the "new" technologies, from dialing to software
>>> clients that are introduced in CCIE Collaboration.
>>>
>>> So when Cisco has decided in the past to retire a CCIE exam, it was due
>>> to the massive technology changes that in general left the CCIE track
>>> untenable.  If Cisco had decided to leave the name CCIE Voice and included
>>> the new tasks, it would still be relevant as it is with the new name. You
>>> can not say the same for CCIE ISP Dial, CCIE SNA/IP integration and so on.
>>> As a technology they are not dead but are completely untenable as a CCIE
>>> track but . Cisco can not logically take the same stance that Voice is a
>>> dead technology and is not integral to the new CCIE Collaboration.
>>>
>>> Since voice is so integral to the CCIE Collaboration, I would consider
>>> it to be more a change in name than technology.  In retiring CCIE Voice and
>>> introducing CCIE Collaboration, Cisco has punished CCIE Voice holders like
>>> never before. Even with their skills present and relevant to the CCIE
>>> track, they have been told that the only way to achieve the new CCIE
>>> Collaboration title is to pass the lab.  This is hard to believe as other
>>> tracks have changed far more over their lives and especially for those that
>>> passed CCIE Voice V3.  A perfect example of this is CCIE R&S from the early
>>> 2000's. During that exam candidates had to earn their strips on
>>> technologies like token ring, IPX and other similarly dead protocols. They
>>> are allowed to remain CCIE R&S by passing every 2 years a CCIE level
>>> written exam, any exam, so they don't even need to prove they are keeping
>>> current on R&S.  So it seems that Cisco is interested mostly in CCIE's
>>> keeping current in today's technology and not so much with your CCIE
>>> track.  That seems completely tossed out the window with CCIE voice. CCIE
>>> Voice is so integral to CCIE Collaboration that you can't logically argue
>>> that voice is a dead technology and you must earn your CCIE Collaboration
>>> by passing another Voice centric lab in the CCIE Collaboration.
>>>
>>> It is completely within Cisco's right to demand that anyone pass the
>>> CCIE Collaboration to earn the title.  It is however with great hope that
>>> the logical argument laid out here will help Cisco change paths on this and
>>> offer a different path to current holders of CCIE Voice.  Cisco could
>>> easily create or use the CCIE Collaboration written exam to ensure that
>>> people who have earned their CCIE Voice  continue to keep up with the ever
>>> changing technology.  Cisco could also make a one time exam that is perhaps
>>> more challenging than the normal writte

Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Voice Retirement

[Josh Petro]

Hello all
I've sent the link to the change.com petition to my entire Cisco account
team which comprises multiple CCIEs. I've also connected with a bunch of my
other contractor companies, so the word is out. Many of the people I've
been talking to feel the same way we do about what Cisco has done. Im
hoping Cisco will be reasonable and change their position. I would love to
find a way to contact all of the current CCIE voice cert holder to get
their input, but I realize that's an ambitious goal (but Im sure Cisco
would listen more closely).
Josh
On Jun 2, 2013 9:44 AM, "Martin Sloan"  wrote:

> Awesome!
>
>
> On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Bill Lake  wrote:
>
>> Dear Ben,
>>
>> In the last several years I have installed many Cisco Telepresence
>> 3200/3000, 1300, 500 and 9200/9000 series systems.  I have done work with
>> personal video conferencing systems on executive desktops. I have also been
>> involved in many installations of VoIP systems from around 50 to over 3000
>> phones at one location. I have also installed more software clients that
>> support voice and video than I care to remember. I hope I am the very type
>> of person that Cisco wants to earn their CCIE Voice.
>>
>> I earned that CCIE Voice this year to open doors for me and afford me
>> some opportunities that were weren't there before.  Now just a short time
>> after earning my CCIE with very relevant skills in today's market, Cisco
>> has decided to close the door on CCIE Voice and introduce CCIE
>> Collaboration.
>>
>> This clearly is within Cisco's right to do and as a name, it better fits
>> what communications have evolved into.  That said, the underlying
>> technology and ability to work on it have not changes.  Yes video has
>> different requirements than voice but once you learn to provide good voice
>> quality, you can leverage that to provide good video quality. The same is
>> true of almost all of the "new" technologies, from dialing to software
>> clients that are introduced in CCIE Collaboration.
>>
>> So when Cisco has decided in the past to retire a CCIE exam, it was due
>> to the massive technology changes that in general left the CCIE track
>> untenable.  If Cisco had decided to leave the name CCIE Voice and included
>> the new tasks, it would still be relevant as it is with the new name. You
>> can not say the same for CCIE ISP Dial, CCIE SNA/IP integration and so on.
>> As a technology they are not dead but are completely untenable as a CCIE
>> track but . Cisco can not logically take the same stance that Voice is a
>> dead technology and is not integral to the new CCIE Collaboration.
>>
>> Since voice is so integral to the CCIE Collaboration, I would consider it
>> to be more a change in name than technology.  In retiring CCIE Voice and
>> introducing CCIE Collaboration, Cisco has punished CCIE Voice holders like
>> never before. Even with their skills present and relevant to the CCIE
>> track, they have been told that the only way to achieve the new CCIE
>> Collaboration title is to pass the lab.  This is hard to believe as other
>> tracks have changed far more over their lives and especially for those that
>> passed CCIE Voice V3.  A perfect example of this is CCIE R&S from the early
>> 2000's. During that exam candidates had to earn their strips on
>> technologies like token ring, IPX and other similarly dead protocols. They
>> are allowed to remain CCIE R&S by passing every 2 years a CCIE level
>> written exam, any exam, so they don't even need to prove they are keeping
>> current on R&S.  So it seems that Cisco is interested mostly in CCIE's
>> keeping current in today's technology and not so much with your CCIE
>> track.  That seems completely tossed out the window with CCIE voice. CCIE
>> Voice is so integral to CCIE Collaboration that you can't logically argue
>> that voice is a dead technology and you must earn your CCIE Collaboration
>> by passing another Voice centric lab in the CCIE Collaboration.
>>
>> It is completely within Cisco's right to demand that anyone pass the CCIE
>> Collaboration to earn the title.  It is however with great hope that the
>> logical argument laid out here will help Cisco change paths on this and
>> offer a different path to current holders of CCIE Voice.  Cisco could
>> easily create or use the CCIE Collaboration written exam to ensure that
>> people who have earned their CCIE Voice  continue to keep up with the ever
>> changing technology.  Cisco could also make a one time exam that is perhaps
>> more challenging than the normal written exam but less demanding of time,
>> travel and expense than a full blown CCIE lab.  I believe that Cisco could
>> easily integrate simulations into either exam type that would ensure that
>> those who have earned their CCIE voice are keeping up with technology.
>> That is what this change to CCIE Collaboration is about, better reflecting
>> the requirements in the field and the technology we deal with.
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>> Bill Lake
>>
>>

Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Voice Retirement

[Mann Chaddha]

Signed.



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> Dear Ben,
>
> In the last several years I have installed many Cisco Telepresence
> 3200/3000, 1300, 500 and 9200/9000 series systems.  I have done work with
> personal video conferencing systems on executive desktops. I have also been
> involved in many installations of VoIP systems from around 50 to over 3000
> phones at one location. I have also installed more software clients that
> support voice and video than I care to remember. I hope I am the very type
> of person that Cisco wants to earn their CCIE Voice.
>
> I earned that CCIE Voice this year to open doors for me and afford me some
> opportunities that were weren't there before.  Now just a short time after
> earning my CCIE with very relevant skills in today's market, Cisco has
> decided to close the door on CCIE Voice and introduce CCIE Collaboration.
>
> This clearly is within Cisco's right to do and as a name, it better fits
> what communications have evolved into.  That said, the underlying
> technology and ability to work on it have not changes.  Yes video has
> different requirements than voice but once you learn to provide good voice
> quality, you can leverage that to provide good video quality. The same is
> true of almost all of the "new" technologies, from dialing to software
> clients that are introduced in CCIE Collaboration.
>
> So when Cisco has decided in the past to retire a CCIE exam, it was due to
> the massive technology changes that in general left the CCIE track
> untenable.  If Cisco had decided to leave the name CCIE Voice and included
> the new tasks, it would still be relevant as it is with the new name. You
> can not say the same for CCIE ISP Dial, CCIE SNA/IP integration and so on.
> As a technology they are not dead but are completely untenable as a CCIE
> track but . Cisco can not logically take the same stance that Voice is a
> dead technology and is not integral to the new CCIE Collaboration.
>
> Since voice is so integral to the CCIE Collaboration, I would consider it
> to be more a change in name than technology.  In retiring CCIE Voice and
> introducing CCIE Collaboration, Cisco has punished CCIE Voice holders like
> never before. Even with their skills present and relevant to the CCIE
> track, they have been told that the only way to achieve the new CCIE
> Collaboration title is to pass the lab.  This is hard to believe as other
> tracks have changed far more over their lives and especially for those that
> passed CCIE Voice V3.  A perfect example of this is CCIE R&S from the early
> 2000's. During that exam candidates had to earn their strips on
> technologies like token ring, IPX and other similarly dead protocols. They
> are allowed to remain CCIE R&S by passing every 2 years a CCIE level
> written exam, any exam, so they don't even need to prove they are keeping
> current on R&S.  So it seems that Cisco is interested mostly in CCIE's
> keeping current in today's technology and not so much with your CCIE
> track.  That seems completely tossed out the window with CCIE voice. CCIE
> Voice is so integral to CCIE Collaboration that you can't logically argue
> that voice is a dead technology and you must earn your CCIE Collaboration
> by passing another Voice centric lab in the CCIE Collaboration.
>
> It is completely within Cisco's right to demand that anyone pass the CCIE
> Collaborati

Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Voice Retirement

[Martin Sloan]

Awesome!


On Sat, Jun 1, 2013 at 11:10 PM, Bill Lake  wrote:

> Dear Ben,
>
> In the last several years I have installed many Cisco Telepresence
> 3200/3000, 1300, 500 and 9200/9000 series systems.  I have done work with
> personal video conferencing systems on executive desktops. I have also been
> involved in many installations of VoIP systems from around 50 to over 3000
> phones at one location. I have also installed more software clients that
> support voice and video than I care to remember. I hope I am the very type
> of person that Cisco wants to earn their CCIE Voice.
>
> I earned that CCIE Voice this year to open doors for me and afford me some
> opportunities that were weren't there before.  Now just a short time after
> earning my CCIE with very relevant skills in today's market, Cisco has
> decided to close the door on CCIE Voice and introduce CCIE Collaboration.
>
> This clearly is within Cisco's right to do and as a name, it better fits
> what communications have evolved into.  That said, the underlying
> technology and ability to work on it have not changes.  Yes video has
> different requirements than voice but once you learn to provide good voice
> quality, you can leverage that to provide good video quality. The same is
> true of almost all of the "new" technologies, from dialing to software
> clients that are introduced in CCIE Collaboration.
>
> So when Cisco has decided in the past to retire a CCIE exam, it was due to
> the massive technology changes that in general left the CCIE track
> untenable.  If Cisco had decided to leave the name CCIE Voice and included
> the new tasks, it would still be relevant as it is with the new name. You
> can not say the same for CCIE ISP Dial, CCIE SNA/IP integration and so on.
> As a technology they are not dead but are completely untenable as a CCIE
> track but . Cisco can not logically take the same stance that Voice is a
> dead technology and is not integral to the new CCIE Collaboration.
>
> Since voice is so integral to the CCIE Collaboration, I would consider it
> to be more a change in name than technology.  In retiring CCIE Voice and
> introducing CCIE Collaboration, Cisco has punished CCIE Voice holders like
> never before. Even with their skills present and relevant to the CCIE
> track, they have been told that the only way to achieve the new CCIE
> Collaboration title is to pass the lab.  This is hard to believe as other
> tracks have changed far more over their lives and especially for those that
> passed CCIE Voice V3.  A perfect example of this is CCIE R&S from the early
> 2000's. During that exam candidates had to earn their strips on
> technologies like token ring, IPX and other similarly dead protocols. They
> are allowed to remain CCIE R&S by passing every 2 years a CCIE level
> written exam, any exam, so they don't even need to prove they are keeping
> current on R&S.  So it seems that Cisco is interested mostly in CCIE's
> keeping current in today's technology and not so much with your CCIE
> track.  That seems completely tossed out the window with CCIE voice. CCIE
> Voice is so integral to CCIE Collaboration that you can't logically argue
> that voice is a dead technology and you must earn your CCIE Collaboration
> by passing another Voice centric lab in the CCIE Collaboration.
>
> It is completely within Cisco's right to demand that anyone pass the CCIE
> Collaboration to earn the title.  It is however with great hope that the
> logical argument laid out here will help Cisco change paths on this and
> offer a different path to current holders of CCIE Voice.  Cisco could
> easily create or use the CCIE Collaboration written exam to ensure that
> people who have earned their CCIE Voice  continue to keep up with the ever
> changing technology.  Cisco could also make a one time exam that is perhaps
> more challenging than the normal written exam but less demanding of time,
> travel and expense than a full blown CCIE lab.  I believe that Cisco could
> easily integrate simulations into either exam type that would ensure that
> those who have earned their CCIE voice are keeping up with technology.
> That is what this change to CCIE Collaboration is about, better reflecting
> the requirements in the field and the technology we deal with.
>
>
> Sincerely,
> Bill Lake
>
>
> On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Martin Sloan wrote:
>
>> Ben,
>>
>> I'm writing you this morning to express my great disappointment in regard
>> to Cisco's recent announcement to retire the CCIE Voice track with no
>> reasonable upgrade path to the CCIE Collaboration.  I know that you're well
>> informed as to all the arguments which are being made against this decision
>> on Facebook, Twitter and other social media outlets, so I won't go into any
>> detail on why I think this is a bad decision.  At this point, the facts are
>> well laid out for everyone to see.
>>
>> I'd like to ask you to please reconsider this decision and provide a
>> reasonable upgrade path for t

Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Voice Retirement

[Bill Lake]

Dear Ben,

In the last several years I have installed many Cisco Telepresence
3200/3000, 1300, 500 and 9200/9000 series systems.  I have done work with
personal video conferencing systems on executive desktops. I have also been
involved in many installations of VoIP systems from around 50 to over 3000
phones at one location. I have also installed more software clients that
support voice and video than I care to remember. I hope I am the very type
of person that Cisco wants to earn their CCIE Voice.

I earned that CCIE Voice this year to open doors for me and afford me some
opportunities that were weren't there before.  Now just a short time after
earning my CCIE with very relevant skills in today's market, Cisco has
decided to close the door on CCIE Voice and introduce CCIE Collaboration.

This clearly is within Cisco's right to do and as a name, it better fits
what communications have evolved into.  That said, the underlying
technology and ability to work on it have not changes.  Yes video has
different requirements than voice but once you learn to provide good voice
quality, you can leverage that to provide good video quality. The same is
true of almost all of the "new" technologies, from dialing to software
clients that are introduced in CCIE Collaboration.

So when Cisco has decided in the past to retire a CCIE exam, it was due to
the massive technology changes that in general left the CCIE track
untenable.  If Cisco had decided to leave the name CCIE Voice and included
the new tasks, it would still be relevant as it is with the new name. You
can not say the same for CCIE ISP Dial, CCIE SNA/IP integration and so on.
As a technology they are not dead but are completely untenable as a CCIE
track but . Cisco can not logically take the same stance that Voice is a
dead technology and is not integral to the new CCIE Collaboration.

Since voice is so integral to the CCIE Collaboration, I would consider it
to be more a change in name than technology.  In retiring CCIE Voice and
introducing CCIE Collaboration, Cisco has punished CCIE Voice holders like
never before. Even with their skills present and relevant to the CCIE
track, they have been told that the only way to achieve the new CCIE
Collaboration title is to pass the lab.  This is hard to believe as other
tracks have changed far more over their lives and especially for those that
passed CCIE Voice V3.  A perfect example of this is CCIE R&S from the early
2000's. During that exam candidates had to earn their strips on
technologies like token ring, IPX and other similarly dead protocols. They
are allowed to remain CCIE R&S by passing every 2 years a CCIE level
written exam, any exam, so they don't even need to prove they are keeping
current on R&S.  So it seems that Cisco is interested mostly in CCIE's
keeping current in today's technology and not so much with your CCIE
track.  That seems completely tossed out the window with CCIE voice. CCIE
Voice is so integral to CCIE Collaboration that you can't logically argue
that voice is a dead technology and you must earn your CCIE Collaboration
by passing another Voice centric lab in the CCIE Collaboration.

It is completely within Cisco's right to demand that anyone pass the CCIE
Collaboration to earn the title.  It is however with great hope that the
logical argument laid out here will help Cisco change paths on this and
offer a different path to current holders of CCIE Voice.  Cisco could
easily create or use the CCIE Collaboration written exam to ensure that
people who have earned their CCIE Voice  continue to keep up with the ever
changing technology.  Cisco could also make a one time exam that is perhaps
more challenging than the normal written exam but less demanding of time,
travel and expense than a full blown CCIE lab.  I believe that Cisco could
easily integrate simulations into either exam type that would ensure that
those who have earned their CCIE voice are keeping up with technology.
That is what this change to CCIE Collaboration is about, better reflecting
the requirements in the field and the technology we deal with.


Sincerely,
Bill Lake


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 8:02 AM, Martin Sloan wrote:

> Ben,
>
> I'm writing you this morning to express my great disappointment in regard
> to Cisco's recent announcement to retire the CCIE Voice track with no
> reasonable upgrade path to the CCIE Collaboration.  I know that you're well
> informed as to all the arguments which are being made against this decision
> on Facebook, Twitter and other social media outlets, so I won't go into any
> detail on why I think this is a bad decision.  At this point, the facts are
> well laid out for everyone to see.
>
> I'd like to ask you to please reconsider this decision and provide a
> reasonable upgrade path for the certified CCIE Voice candidates.  I,
> myself, am not yet certified but I will make my first attempt on July 29th
> of this year.  I don't need to tell you how much time, money and effort
> I've put into p

Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Voice Retirement

[Martin Sloan]

Peter,

Thank you and I'm glad you agree.  To quote Somphol Boonjing when I used
his post earlier:

"Please feel free to adopt it as your own.  It is all the result of our
collective effort."

I hope you can get others involved!

Marty


On Fri, May 31, 2013 at 12:35 PM, Dr VoIP  wrote:

> I totally agree with this posting and would like to repost it.  I have
> spent more money on CISCO certification study, materials, preparation,
> practice exams, classes then I did on a four year college degree!  I took
> the CCIE written and am close to taking the lab again!   This is indeed
> very troubling!  Martin if you would agree I would like to repost your
> comment in its entirety on my my blog.drvoip.com which reaches a very wide
> VoIP community. - Peter
> --
> from the desk of:  Peter Buswell
> CISCO CCNP/DP (S/R)  CCVP/NP(V) UCCX
> ShoreTel V13 Certified VoIP/ECC Engineer
>
>
>
>
> Microsoft  MCTS (OCS)
> 877-378-6471 #115
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Click for Resume and References 
> http://blog.DrVoIP.com
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 5/31/13 8:15 AM, "Vic"  wrote:
>
> >Great job
> >
> >Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >On May 31, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Martin Sloan 
> wrote:
> >
> >> Ben,
> >>
> >> I'm writing you this morning to express my great disappointment in
> >>regard to Cisco's recent announcement to retire the CCIE Voice track
> >>with no reasonable upgrade path to the CCIE Collaboration.  I know that
> >>you're well informed as to all the arguments which are being made
> >>against this decision on Facebook, Twitter and other social media
> >>outlets, so I won't go into any detail on why I think this is a bad
> >>decision.  At this point, the facts are well laid out for everyone to
> >>see.
> >>
> >> I'd like to ask you to please reconsider this decision and provide a
> >>reasonable upgrade path for the certified CCIE Voice candidates.  I,
> >>myself, am not yet certified but I will make my first attempt on July
> >>29th of this year.  I don't need to tell you how much time, money and
> >>effort I've put into preparing for this exam.  It's been a goal of mine
> >>since I first started on the CCNA.  To completely retire a certification
> >>track that is still very relevant is incomprehensible.
> >>
> >> At the very least, I want to request that Cisco provide it's community
> >>with an intelligent argument to support it's recent decision to retire
> >>the CCIE Voice without a reasonable upgrade path.  We've heard very
> >>hallow responses citing new exam topics (that are already on v3) or that
> >>the description of the certification path wasn't accurate with the
> >>technology.  These answers are very much an insult to those that have
> >>been so loyal and sacrificed so much to achieve CCIE certifications.
> >>
> >> Please, ask your team to reach out to the community so we can come to
> >>an objective decision on this.
> >>
> >> Best regards,
> >> Martin Sloan
> >> CCIE Voice Candidate #211151677
> >> ___
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> >>please visit www.ipexpert.com
> >>
> >> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out
> >>www.PlatinumPlacement.com
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> >visit www.ipexpert.com
> >
> >Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out
> >www.PlatinumPlacement.com
>
>
___
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www.ipexpert.com

Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out 
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Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Voice Retirement

[Dr VoIP]

I totally agree with this posting and would like to repost it.  I have
spent more money on CISCO certification study, materials, preparation,
practice exams, classes then I did on a four year college degree!  I took
the CCIE written and am close to taking the lab again!   This is indeed
very troubling!  Martin if you would agree I would like to repost your
comment in its entirety on my my blog.drvoip.com which reaches a very wide
VoIP community. - Peter
-- 
from the desk of:  Peter Buswell
CISCO CCNP/DP (S/R)  CCVP/NP(V) UCCX
ShoreTel V13 Certified VoIP/ECC Engineer




Microsoft  MCTS (OCS)
877-378-6471 #115










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On 5/31/13 8:15 AM, "Vic"  wrote:

>Great job
>
>Sent from my iPhone
>
>On May 31, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Martin Sloan  wrote:
>
>> Ben,
>> 
>> I'm writing you this morning to express my great disappointment in
>>regard to Cisco's recent announcement to retire the CCIE Voice track
>>with no reasonable upgrade path to the CCIE Collaboration.  I know that
>>you're well informed as to all the arguments which are being made
>>against this decision on Facebook, Twitter and other social media
>>outlets, so I won't go into any detail on why I think this is a bad
>>decision.  At this point, the facts are well laid out for everyone to
>>see.
>> 
>> I'd like to ask you to please reconsider this decision and provide a
>>reasonable upgrade path for the certified CCIE Voice candidates.  I,
>>myself, am not yet certified but I will make my first attempt on July
>>29th of this year.  I don't need to tell you how much time, money and
>>effort I've put into preparing for this exam.  It's been a goal of mine
>>since I first started on the CCNA.  To completely retire a certification
>>track that is still very relevant is incomprehensible.
>> 
>> At the very least, I want to request that Cisco provide it's community
>>with an intelligent argument to support it's recent decision to retire
>>the CCIE Voice without a reasonable upgrade path.  We've heard very
>>hallow responses citing new exam topics (that are already on v3) or that
>>the description of the certification path wasn't accurate with the
>>technology.  These answers are very much an insult to those that have
>>been so loyal and sacrificed so much to achieve CCIE certifications.
>> 
>> Please, ask your team to reach out to the community so we can come to
>>an objective decision on this.
>> 
>> Best regards,
>> Martin Sloan
>> CCIE Voice Candidate #211151677
>> ___
>> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training,
>>please visit www.ipexpert.com
>> 
>> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out
>>www.PlatinumPlacement.com
>___
>For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please
>visit www.ipexpert.com
>
>Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out
>www.PlatinumPlacement.com

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Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Voice Retirement

[Vic]

Great job

Sent from my iPhone

On May 31, 2013, at 4:02 PM, Martin Sloan  wrote:

> Ben,
> 
> I'm writing you this morning to express my great disappointment in regard to 
> Cisco's recent announcement to retire the CCIE Voice track with no reasonable 
> upgrade path to the CCIE Collaboration.  I know that you're well informed as 
> to all the arguments which are being made against this decision on Facebook, 
> Twitter and other social media outlets, so I won't go into any detail on why 
> I think this is a bad decision.  At this point, the facts are well laid out 
> for everyone to see.
> 
> I'd like to ask you to please reconsider this decision and provide a 
> reasonable upgrade path for the certified CCIE Voice candidates.  I, myself, 
> am not yet certified but I will make my first attempt on July 29th of this 
> year.  I don't need to tell you how much time, money and effort I've put into 
> preparing for this exam.  It's been a goal of mine since I first started on 
> the CCNA.  To completely retire a certification track that is still very 
> relevant is incomprehensible.
> 
> At the very least, I want to request that Cisco provide it's community with 
> an intelligent argument to support it's recent decision to retire the CCIE 
> Voice without a reasonable upgrade path.  We've heard very hallow responses 
> citing new exam topics (that are already on v3) or that the description of 
> the certification path wasn't accurate with the technology.  These answers 
> are very much an insult to those that have been so loyal and sacrificed so 
> much to achieve CCIE certifications.  
> 
> Please, ask your team to reach out to the community so we can come to an 
> objective decision on this.
> 
> Best regards,
> Martin Sloan
> CCIE Voice Candidate #211151677
> ___
> For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please 
> visit www.ipexpert.com
> 
> Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out 
> www.PlatinumPlacement.com
___
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www.ipexpert.com

Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out 
www.PlatinumPlacement.com

Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] CCIE Voice Retirement

[Martin Sloan]

Ben,

I'm writing you this morning to express my great disappointment in regard
to Cisco's recent announcement to retire the CCIE Voice track with no
reasonable upgrade path to the CCIE Collaboration.  I know that you're well
informed as to all the arguments which are being made against this decision
on Facebook, Twitter and other social media outlets, so I won't go into any
detail on why I think this is a bad decision.  At this point, the facts are
well laid out for everyone to see.

I'd like to ask you to please reconsider this decision and provide a
reasonable upgrade path for the certified CCIE Voice candidates.  I,
myself, am not yet certified but I will make my first attempt on July 29th
of this year.  I don't need to tell you how much time, money and effort
I've put into preparing for this exam.  It's been a goal of mine since I
first started on the CCNA.  To completely retire a certification track that
is still very relevant is incomprehensible.

At the very least, I want to request that Cisco provide it's community with
an intelligent argument to support it's recent decision to retire the CCIE
Voice without a reasonable upgrade path.  We've heard very hallow responses
citing new exam topics (that are already on v3) or that the description of
the certification path wasn't accurate with the technology.  These answers
are very much an insult to those that have been so loyal and sacrificed so
much to achieve CCIE certifications.

Please, ask your team to reach out to the community so we can come to an
objective decision on this.

Best regards,
Martin Sloan
CCIE Voice Candidate #211151677
___
For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit 
www.ipexpert.com

Are you a CCNP or CCIE and looking for a job? Check out 
www.PlatinumPlacement.com