Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams
Hi Vik: So in your opinion, troubleshooting will gain weight in the lab section, but not so far as in RS in wich you have separate troubleshooting section Thanks Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:32:56 -0700 From: vma...@ipexpert.com To: siddas...@gmail.com; tanner.ez...@gmail.com CC: ccie...@onlinestudylist.com; ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams I think the intention of what they originally set out to do was honest and fair. 10% (roughly) of the candidates sitting the voice lab were scoring 100% (or thereabouts) in half the time. Nobody should be able to perform to that level unless they see a repeat lab (3rd/4th attempt). So an additional check was required to protect the integrity of the certification. That much I’m sure we can all agree on (or at least 90% of us:-) They tried something and it failed to achieve the desired goal. That’s not the first time that has happened in life. Well done to the 360 team for not being so stubborn to pursue something that didn’t work out. The people that have suffered are the ones that prepared thoroughly and honestly and were clearly at the level that they deserved to pass but couldn’t remember a RFC # or couldn’t remember where xxx feature was on the GUI. The weighting for something so random was too much- it was too hit and miss. It would be better to have 100 OEQ’s and tell candidates you need 75 correct answers to reduce the randomness- but that’s not feasible on the same day of the lab. Life may well get more difficult now- inherent troubleshooting is being deemed a superior test of core knowledge than OEQ. The things they are going to ask you will most likely be more difficult to answer correctly and will require the same if not more core knowledge. On the flip side it won’t be closed book, you can be figure things out if you get stuck- something that was not possible on the OEQ section. Does that mean IPX customers are now going to ask us for troubleshooting sections in the WB? Probably. As Don Corleone said- “Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in” (developing labs). -- Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 Instructor - IPexpert, Inc. Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Live Assistance, Please visit: www.ipexpert.com/chat http://www.ipexpert.com/chat IPexpert is a premier provider of Self-Study Workbooks, Video on Demand, Audio Tools, Online Hardware Rental and Classroom Training for the Cisco CCIE (RS, Voice, Security Service Provider) certification(s) with training locations throughout the United States, Europe, South Asia and Australia. Be sure to visit our online communities at www.ipexpert.com/communities http://www.ipexpert.com/communities and our public website at www.ipexpert.com http://www.ipexpert.com/ From: Ashar Siddiqui siddas...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 19:12:36 +0100 To: Tanner Ezell tanner.ez...@gmail.com Cc: OSL Routing and Switching ccie...@onlinestudylist.com, OSL Group ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams Even though I passed my OEQs in my first attempt but the weight Cisco had given to OEQs was completely unfair! It would have been much better that OEQs were part of the same lab section and have some points like any other section of the lab..if you answer all four question right, you would get 5 points, if you answer 3 right you would get 3 points and for correct answers 2 or less you would get 0 points..something like that...instead of giving all the importance to OEQs that if a person did well in the lab of 7.5 hrs and eventually passing that section but would fail just because he answered 2 questions incorrectly!! (even thou I agree that if you are well prepared you can answer all four questions but sometimes due to pressure and environment a little silly mistake is enough to book another attempt) _ Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. https://signup.live.com/signup.aspx?id=60969___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams
Now is Official: http://www.cisco.com/web/learning/le3/ccie/voice/lab_exam.html Update to the CCIE Lab Question Format Beginning May 10, 2010, CCIE Voice lab exams in all global locations will no longer include the four, open-ended Core Knowledge questions. The total lab exam time will remain eight hours. CCIE Voice candidates will have the full 8 hours to complete the integrated exam. From: gorr...@hotmail.com To: vma...@ipexpert.com; siddas...@gmail.com; tanner.ez...@gmail.com Date: Fri, 7 May 2010 11:57:13 + CC: ccie...@onlinestudylist.com; ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams Hi Vik: So in your opinion, troubleshooting will gain weight in the lab section, but not so far as in RS in wich you have separate troubleshooting section Thanks Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 11:32:56 -0700 From: vma...@ipexpert.com To: siddas...@gmail.com; tanner.ez...@gmail.com CC: ccie...@onlinestudylist.com; ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams I think the intention of what they originally set out to do was honest and fair. 10% (roughly) of the candidates sitting the voice lab were scoring 100% (or thereabouts) in half the time. Nobody should be able to perform to that level unless they see a repeat lab (3rd/4th attempt). So an additional check was required to protect the integrity of the certification. That much I’m sure we can all agree on (or at least 90% of us:-) They tried something and it failed to achieve the desired goal. That’s not the first time that has happened in life. Well done to the 360 team for not being so stubborn to pursue something that didn’t work out. The people that have suffered are the ones that prepared thoroughly and honestly and were clearly at the level that they deserved to pass but couldn’t remember a RFC # or couldn’t remember where xxx feature was on the GUI. The weighting for something so random was too much- it was too hit and miss. It would be better to have 100 OEQ’s and tell candidates you need 75 correct answers to reduce the randomness- but that’s not feasible on the same day of the lab. Life may well get more difficult now- inherent troubleshooting is being deemed a superior test of core knowledge than OEQ. The things they are going to ask you will most likely be more difficult to answer correctly and will require the same if not more core knowledge. On the flip side it won’t be closed book, you can be figure things out if you get stuck- something that was not possible on the OEQ section. Does that mean IPX customers are now going to ask us for troubleshooting sections in the WB? Probably. As Don Corleone said- “Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in” (developing labs). -- Vik Malhi – CCIE #13890 Instructor - IPexpert, Inc. Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Live Assistance, Please visit: www.ipexpert.com/chat http://www.ipexpert.com/chat IPexpert is a premier provider of Self-Study Workbooks, Video on Demand, Audio Tools, Online Hardware Rental and Classroom Training for the Cisco CCIE (RS, Voice, Security Service Provider) certification(s) with training locations throughout the United States, Europe, South Asia and Australia. Be sure to visit our online communities at www.ipexpert.com/communities http://www.ipexpert.com/communities and our public website at www.ipexpert.com http://www.ipexpert.com/ From: Ashar Siddiqui siddas...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 19:12:36 +0100 To: Tanner Ezell tanner.ez...@gmail.com Cc: OSL Routing and Switching ccie...@onlinestudylist.com, OSL Group ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams Even though I passed my OEQs in my first attempt but the weight Cisco had given to OEQs was completely unfair! It would have been much better that OEQs were part of the same lab section and have some points like any other section of the lab..if you answer all four question right, you would get 5 points, if you answer 3 right you would get 3 points and for correct answers 2 or less you would get 0 points..something like that...instead of giving all the importance to OEQs that if a person did well in the lab of 7.5 hrs and eventually passing that section but would fail just because he answered 2 questions incorrectly!! (even thou I agree that if you are well prepared you can answer all four questions but sometimes due to pressure and environment a little silly mistake is enough to book another attempt) Hotmail: Powerful Free email with security by Microsoft. Get it now. _ QUEM VOCÊ QUER SER HOJE NO MESSENGER? TRANSFORME SUA FOTO, É GRÁTIS.
[OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams
Hello everyone, Yes, this is correct. Open Ended Questions are NO MORE starting Monday. These are good news - not that they are such a huge problem, but because you DO get 30 more minutes for stuff that matters! -- Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert YES! We include 400 hours of REAL rack time with our Blended Learning Solution! Mailto: mar...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/ ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams
Hallelujah! And there was MUCH rejoicing. Matthew Berry **Sent from my iPhone** Skype/Twitter: ciscovoiceguru Google Voice: +1 612 424 5044 On May 6, 2010, at 10:53 AM, Marko Milivojevic mar...@ipexpert.com wrote: Hello everyone, Yes, this is correct. Open Ended Questions are NO MORE starting Monday. These are good news - not that they are such a huge problem, but because you DO get 30 more minutes for stuff that matters! -- Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert YES! We include 400 hours of REAL rack time with our Blended Learning Solution! Mailto: mar...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/ ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams
I don't see it on ccie lab info,can you share the link please... On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Marko Milivojevic mar...@ipexpert.comwrote: Hello everyone, Yes, this is correct. Open Ended Questions are NO MORE starting Monday. These are good news - not that they are such a huge problem, but because you DO get 30 more minutes for stuff that matters! -- Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert YES! We include 400 hours of REAL rack time with our Blended Learning Solution! Mailto: mar...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/ ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams
There's no link. It's being discussed on a CCIE-focsed call right now. I'm sure that Cisco will update their site shortly. Regards, Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244 (RS) Founder, President CEO - IPexpert, Inc., Proctor Labs, Inc. Platinum Solutions Group, LLC. Mailto: wlaw...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.334.1564 eFax: +1.810.454.0130 ::Message sent from iPhone:: IPexpert Proctor Labs are premier providers of Self-Study Workbooks, Video on Demand, Audio Tools, Online Hardware Rental and Classroom Training for the Cisco CCIE (RS, Voice, Security Service Provider) certification(s) with training locations throughout the United States, Europe, South Asia and Australia. Be sure to visit our online communities at www.ipexpert.com/communities and our public website at www.ipexpert.com or www.proctorlabs.com. Platinum Solutions Group (PSG) provides high-end consulting services with a primary emphasis on Cisco's Data Center Solutions, Service Provider Solutions, Unified Communications and Security-enabled infrastructures. Be sure to visit www.platinumsolutionsgroup.com. On May 6, 2010, at 12:09 PM, vccie2010 vccie2...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see it on ccie lab info,can you share the link please... On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Marko Milivojevic mar...@ipexpert.com wrote: Hello everyone, Yes, this is correct. Open Ended Questions are NO MORE starting Monday. These are good news - not that they are such a huge problem, but because you DO get 30 more minutes for stuff that matters! -- Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert YES! We include 400 hours of REAL rack time with our Blended Learning Solution! Mailto: mar...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/ ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams
Perfect, that makes sens... On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 9:10 AM, Wayne Lawson groupst...@ipexpert.comwrote: There's no link. It's being discussed on a CCIE-focsed call right now. I'm sure that Cisco will update their site shortly. Regards, Wayne A. Lawson II - CCIE #5244 (RS) Founder, President CEO - IPexpert, Inc., Proctor Labs, Inc. Platinum Solutions Group, LLC. Mailto: wlaw...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.334.1564 eFax: +1.810.454.0130 ::Message sent from iPhone:: IPexpert Proctor Labs are premier providers of Self-Study Workbooks, Video on Demand, Audio Tools, Online Hardware Rental and Classroom Training for the Cisco CCIE (RS, Voice, Security Service Provider) certification(s) with training locations throughout the United States, Europe, South Asia and Australia. Be sure to visit our online communities at www.ipexpert.com/communities and our public website at www.ipexpert.com or www.proctorlabs.com. Platinum Solutions Group (PSG) provides high-end consulting services with a primary emphasis on Cisco's Data Center Solutions, Service Provider Solutions, Unified Communications and Security-enabled infrastructures. Be sure to visit www.platinumsolutionsgroup.com. On May 6, 2010, at 12:09 PM, vccie2010 vccie2...@gmail.com wrote: I don't see it on ccie lab info,can you share the link please... On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 8:53 AM, Marko Milivojevic mar...@ipexpert.comwrote: Hello everyone, Yes, this is correct. Open Ended Questions are NO MORE starting Monday. These are good news - not that they are such a huge problem, but because you DO get 30 more minutes for stuff that matters! -- Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert YES! We include 400 hours of REAL rack time with our Blended Learning Solution! Mailto: mar...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/ ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams
Makes a lot of sense...Cisco should have not introduced it at allthat was very unjustified to fail a person if he has done the whole lab fine but didn't answer 3 questions right. Even though I passed my OEQs in my first attempt but the weight Cisco had given to OEQs was completely unfair! It would have been much better that OEQs were part of the same lab section and have some points like any other section of the lab..if you answer all four question right, you would get 5 points, if you answer 3 right you would get 3 points and for correct answers 2 or less you would get 0 points..something like that...instead of giving all the importance to OEQs that if a person did well in the lab of 7.5 hrs and eventually passing that section but would fail just because he answered 2 questions incorrectly!! (even thou I agree that if you are well prepared you can answer all four questions but sometimes due to pressure and environment a little silly mistake is enough to book another attempt) My 2p! Ash Tanner Ezell wrote: This is quite unfortunate. On Thu, May 6, 2010 at 11:53 AM, Marko Milivojevic mar...@ipexpert.com wrote: Hello everyone, Yes, this is correct. Open Ended Questions are NO MORE starting Monday. These are good news - not that they are such a huge problem, but because you DO get 30 more minutes for stuff that matters! -- Marko Milivojevic - CCIE #18427 Senior Technical Instructor - IPexpert YES! We include 400 hours of REAL rack time with our Blended Learning Solution! Mailto: mar...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Web: http://www.ipexpert.com/ ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams
I think the intention of what they originally set out to do was honest and fair. 10% (roughly) of the candidates sitting the voice lab were scoring 100% (or thereabouts) in half the time. Nobody should be able to perform to that level unless they see a repeat lab (3rd/4th attempt). So an additional check was required to protect the integrity of the certification. That much I¹m sure we can all agree on (or at least 90% of us:-) They tried something and it failed to achieve the desired goal. That¹s not the first time that has happened in life. Well done to the 360 team for not being so stubborn to pursue something that didn¹t work out. The people that have suffered are the ones that prepared thoroughly and honestly and were clearly at the level that they deserved to pass but couldn¹t remember a RFC # or couldn¹t remember where xxx feature was on the GUI. The weighting for something so random was too much- it was too hit and miss. It would be better to have 100 OEQ¹s and tell candidates you need 75 correct answers to reduce the randomness- but that¹s not feasible on the same day of the lab. Life may well get more difficult now- inherent troubleshooting is being deemed a superior test of core knowledge than OEQ. The things they are going to ask you will most likely be more difficult to answer correctly and will require the same if not more core knowledge. On the flip side it won¹t be closed book, you can be figure things out if you get stuck- something that was not possible on the OEQ section. Does that mean IPX customers are now going to ask us for troubleshooting sections in the WB? Probably. As Don Corleone said- ³Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in² (developing labs). -- Vik Malhi CCIE #13890 Instructor - IPexpert, Inc. Mailto: vma...@ipexpert.com Telephone: +1.810.326.1444 Fax: +1.810.454.0130 Live Assistance, Please visit: www.ipexpert.com/chat http://www.ipexpert.com/chat IPexpert is a premier provider of Self-Study Workbooks, Video on Demand, Audio Tools, Online Hardware Rental and Classroom Training for the Cisco CCIE (RS, Voice, Security Service Provider) certification(s) with training locations throughout the United States, Europe, South Asia and Australia. Be sure to visit our online communities at www.ipexpert.com/communities http://www.ipexpert.com/communities and our public website at www.ipexpert.com http://www.ipexpert.com/ From: Ashar Siddiqui siddas...@gmail.com Date: Thu, 06 May 2010 19:12:36 +0100 To: Tanner Ezell tanner.ez...@gmail.com Cc: OSL Routing and Switching ccie...@onlinestudylist.com, OSL Group ccie_voice@onlinestudylist.com Subject: Re: [OSL | CCIE_Voice] No More OEQs on RS and Voice Lab Exams Even though I passed my OEQs in my first attempt but the weight Cisco had given to OEQs was completely unfair! It would have been much better that OEQs were part of the same lab section and have some points like any other section of the lab..if you answer all four question right, you would get 5 points, if you answer 3 right you would get 3 points and for correct answers 2 or less you would get 0 points..something like that...instead of giving all the importance to OEQs that if a person did well in the lab of 7.5 hrs and eventually passing that section but would fail just because he answered 2 questions incorrectly!! (even thou I agree that if you are well prepared you can answer all four questions but sometimes due to pressure and environment a little silly mistake is enough to book another attempt) ___ For more information regarding industry leading CCIE Lab training, please visit www.ipexpert.com
