[ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?

2011-07-26 Thread Kevin Cowtan

Straw poll:

Are you interested in software to autobuild polysaccarides?

Kevin

p.s. I expect I'll have to spend at least a year working on the problem 
before before I spell polysaccharide consistently.


Re: [ccp4bb] Non-crystallography symmetry operator

2011-07-26 Thread ccp4
superpose has two options undfer CCP4i.
Choose match numbered residues ( not SSM) 

Then you must give two files to match - in your case that means naming
your model twice.
Then say you want to match residues 1 to 20 Chain A to residues 1 to 20
CHAIN B tever span you want to fit.

It will give you the rotation matrix and translatioor n vector
Eleanor


or wha

On Mon, 25 Jul 2011 14:31:33 -0400, zhang yu ccp4f...@gmail.com wrote:
 Thanks for all the reply. I am able to use phenix.find_ncs find NCS
 operators for all the chains. But it doesn't give a NCS matrix between
 whole
 molecules in ASU. Is that right or I missed something?
 
 In SUPERPOSE of CCP4, How to ask the program to calculate the NCS
 operator? It asks me to input two structures and will output another pdb
 file.
 
 Yu
 
 2011/7/25 Frederic VELLIEUX frederic.velli...@orange.fr
 
 You need to specify which format (i.e. for which program) since the
 conventions used are different. I personally use suppos
 which provides a rotation matrix plus translation vector. Row by row
for
 the matrix. Some programs use a column by column approach, the
transpose
 of
 the rotation
 matrix, or a set of 3 angles (with several conventions possible)

  Message du 25/07/11 19:24
  De : zhang yu
  A : CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
  Copie à :
  Objet : [ccp4bb] Non-crystallography symmetry operator
 
  Hi,
 
  Does any one know which software could calculate and output
  non-crystallography symmetry operator?
 
  I am working on a structure with two molecules in one ASU, and two
 identical
  subunits in each of one molecule. I would like to know the
  non-crystallography operator of the two molecules, and also NCS
  operator
 of
  two subunits in the same molecules.
 
  Thanks
 
  Yu
 
  --
  Yu Zhang
  HHMI associate
  Waksman Institute, Rutgers University
  190 Frelinghuysen Rd.
  Piscataway, NJ, 08904
 



Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?

2011-07-26 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Kim,

I asume that Kevin plans to build in electron density maps. As far as I
can see Sweet will produce a model unhindered by experimental data.

Herman 

-Original Message-
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
Kim Henrick
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?

why not use
http://glycosciences.de/modeling/sweet2/doc/index.php
which works perfectly
and would save the duplication of effort

cut  paste
#---

 a-D-Neup5Ac-(2-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
 |
 
b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
 |
|
   a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-6)+
 
| 
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
  
|
 
a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+ 


  
a-D-Manp-(1-6)+
 
|







|
 
b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Ga
lp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-2)+
   |a-L-Fucp-(1-6)+
 
|

























|
 b-D-Galp-(1-4)+

 
 |
b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)-Asn
   |

   
   
   |   
  |
 
b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+

   
b-D-Manp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)+
   |

   |   
   
   |
 a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
   |
 
|

























|



















|
 
a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
  

b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)+
   |
 
|










|







|
 
a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+





a-D-Manp-(1-3)+
 
|
a-D-Neup5Ac-(2-6)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-Gl
cpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-2)+




and click and your o/p is as attached
apart from the poor excuse for a pdb file it has the model with
glycosidic torsion angles as expected as in glycomapsdb




 Straw poll:

 Are you interested in software to autobuild polysaccarides?

 Kevin

 p.s. I expect I'll have to spend at least a year working on the 
 problem before before I spell polysaccharide consistently.



Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?

2011-07-26 Thread Kim Henrick
Yes but it is easier to take the sweet model for the required sequence
and fit that to density rather than do it residue by residue
which will lead to glycan structures unknown to the source

kim

 Dear Kim,

 I asume that Kevin plans to build in electron density maps. As far as I
 can see Sweet will produce a model unhindered by experimental data.

 Herman

 -Original Message-
 From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
 Kim Henrick
 Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?

 why not use
 http://glycosciences.de/modeling/sweet2/doc/index.php
 which works perfectly
 and would save the duplication of effort

 cut  paste
 #---

  a-D-Neup5Ac-(2-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
  |

 b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
  |
 |
a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
 b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-6)+

 |














 |

 a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+



 a-D-Manp-(1-6)+

 |







 |

 b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Ga
 lp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-2)+
|a-L-Fucp-(1-6)+

 |

























 |
  b-D-Galp-(1-4)+


  |
 b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)-Asn
|



|
   |

 b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+


 b-D-Manp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)+
|

|

|
  a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
 b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
|

 |

























 |



















 |

 a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+


 b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)+
|

 |










 |







 |

 a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+





 a-D-Manp-(1-3)+

 |
 a-D-Neup5Ac-(2-6)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-Gl
 cpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-2)+




 and click and your o/p is as attached
 apart from the poor excuse for a pdb file it has the model with
 glycosidic torsion angles as expected as in glycomapsdb




 Straw poll:

 Are you interested in software to autobuild polysaccarides?

 Kevin

 p.s. I expect I'll have to spend at least a year working on the
 problem before before I spell polysaccharide consistently.




Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?

2011-07-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Kim and Kevin,

 

Even then you can have chirality inversions during real-space refinement, which 
would destroy the SWEET input model from. There is no substitute for common 
sense (and validation) here. 

 

That said, Kevin, something to autobuild carbohydrates (given a sequence) would 
be awesome. I'd use it a lot. Just don't make a WMD (weapon of model 
destruction).

 

Cheers,

Robbie


 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:06:03 +0100
 From: henr...@ebi.ac.uk
 Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?
 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

 Yes but it is easier to take the sweet model for the required sequence
 and fit that to density rather than do it residue by residue
 which will lead to glycan structures unknown to the source

 kim

  Dear Kim,
 
  I asume that Kevin plans to build in electron density maps. As far as I
  can see Sweet will produce a model unhindered by experimental data.
 
  Herman
 
  -Original Message-
  From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
  Kim Henrick
  Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
  To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
  Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?
 
  why not use
  http://glycosciences.de/modeling/sweet2/doc/index.php
  which works perfectly
  and would save the duplication of effort
 
  cut  paste
  #---
 
  a-D-Neup5Ac-(2-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
  |
 
  b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
  |
  |
  a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
  b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-6)+
 
  |
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  |
 
  a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
 
 
 
  a-D-Manp-(1-6)+
 
  |
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  |
 
  b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Ga
  lp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-2)+
  | a-L-Fucp-(1-6)+
 
  |
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  |
  b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
 
 
  |
  b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)-Asn
  |
 
 
 
  |
  |
 
  b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
 
 
  b-D-Manp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)+
  |
 
  |
 
  |
  a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
  b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
  |
 
  |
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  |
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  |
 
  a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
 
 
  b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)+
  |
 
  |
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  |
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
  |
 
  a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
 
 
 
 
 
  a-D-Manp-(1-3)+
 
  |
  a-D-Neup5Ac-(2-6)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-Gl
  cpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-2)+
 
 
 
 
  and click and your o/p is as attached
  apart from the poor excuse for a pdb file it has the model with
  glycosidic torsion angles as expected as in glycomapsdb
 
 
 
 
  Straw poll:
 
  Are you interested in software to autobuild polysaccarides?
 
  Kevin
 
  p.s. I expect I'll have to spend at least a year working on the
  problem before before I spell polysaccharide consistently.
 


[ccp4bb] I/sigma for h+k=2n+1 and h+k=2n

2011-07-26 Thread zhang yu
Hi,

I had a dataset which is P21 but with a pseudo-translational symmetry of
(1/2, 1/2 ,0). Theoretically the dataset should show systematic weak spots
of h+K= 2n+1 compared to h+k= 2n. Is that correct?

I would like to have a close look at the reflections. for example, the
average I/sigma for reflections with h+k=2n+1 and reflections with h+k=2n.
Which software could do this job?  A brief tutorial is appreciated.

Yu


-- 
Yu Zhang
HHMI associate
Waksman Institute, Rutgers University
190 Frelinghuysen Rd.
Piscataway, NJ, 08904


Re: [ccp4bb] I/sigma for h+k=2n+1 and h+k=2n

2011-07-26 Thread Ed Pozharski
On Tue, 2011-07-26 at 09:51 -0400, zhang yu wrote:
 I would like to have a close look at the reflections. for example, the
 average I/sigma for reflections with h+k=2n+1 and reflections with h
 +k=2n.

Once you have your reflections listed in a file having h,k,l,f,sigf as
first five columns (e.g. scalepack output), this trivial one-liner will
print even (h+k) reflections

awk '{if(($1+$2)%2==0) print;}' foo.sca

It's easy to get the reflections in text format out of an mtz file:

mtzdmp foo.mtz -n -1

With that said, I suspect xtriage may be helpful in identifying
pseudotranslational NCS, as well as good ole Patterson synthesis.

Cheers,

Ed.

-- 
Oh, suddenly throwing a giraffe into a volcano to make water is crazy?
Julian, King of Lemurs


Re: [ccp4bb] I/sigma for h+k=2n+1 and h+k=2n

2011-07-26 Thread Esko Oksanen

  Yu,

  There is a parity analysis in dataman (a USF program) for example.  
You have to take into account that the sigmas are generally estimated  
assuming a unimodal intensity distribution, which is no longer true in  
the pseudo-symmetric case. In practice this means that the sigmas of  
the strong reflections tend to be underestimated (generally not a  
problem really) and those of the weak reflections are overestimated.  
This can be avoided to some extent by scaling the h+k = 2n and h+k = 2n 
+1 reflections separately. I ended up writing a small python script to  
do this from XDS output and scaling separately (see Oksanen et al.  
(2006) Acta Cryst. D62 1369-1374). Of course it would be even better  
if the scaling program would directly take into account the bimodal  
distribution...


  HTH,
  Esko

On 26.7.2011, at 15.51, zhang yu wrote:


Hi,

I had a dataset which is P21 but with a pseudo-translational  
symmetry of (1/2, 1/2 ,0). Theoretically the dataset should show  
systematic weak spots of h+K= 2n+1 compared to h+k= 2n. Is that  
correct?


I would like to have a close look at the reflections. for example,  
the average I/sigma for reflections with h+k=2n+1 and reflections  
with h+k=2n. Which software could do this job?  A brief tutorial is  
appreciated.


Yu


--
Yu Zhang
HHMI associate
Waksman Institute, Rutgers University
190 Frelinghuysen Rd.
Piscataway, NJ, 08904






Esko Oksanen, PhD
Post-doctoral Fellow (EMBO)
Groupe Synchrotron, Institut de Biologie Structurale J.P. Ebel
41, rue Jules Horowitz
F-38027 GRENOBLE Cedex 1
FRANCE
tel. +33 4 38 78 95 96
mob. +33 6 84 15 14 88


Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?

2011-07-26 Thread Engin Özkan
A smart polysaacharide autobuilder mindful of geometry and biology (no 
non-biological sugars and linkages, please) and not based on what is 
already deposited in the pdb might cause a significant decrease in ccp4 
and phenixbb traffic. So I am for it!


Engin

On 7/26/11 4:28 AM, Robbie Joosten wrote:

Hi Kim and Kevin,



Even then you can have chirality inversions during real-space refinement, which 
would destroy the SWEET input model from. There is no substitute for common 
sense (and validation) here.



That said, Kevin, something to autobuild carbohydrates (given a sequence) would 
be awesome. I'd use it a lot. Just don't make a WMD (weapon of model 
destruction).



Cheers,

Robbie



Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 11:06:03 +0100
From: henr...@ebi.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK

Yes but it is easier to take the sweet model for the required sequence
and fit that to density rather than do it residue by residue
which will lead to glycan structures unknown to the source

kim


Dear Kim,

I asume that Kevin plans to build in electron density maps. As far as I
can see Sweet will produce a model unhindered by experimental data.

Herman

-Original Message-
From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of
Kim Henrick
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:44 AM
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Straw poll: polysaccharide building?

why not use
http://glycosciences.de/modeling/sweet2/doc/index.php
which works perfectly
and would save the duplication of effort

cut  paste
#---

a-D-Neup5Ac-(2-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
|

b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
|
|
a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-6)+

|














|

a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+



a-D-Manp-(1-6)+

|







|

b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Ga
lp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-2)+
| a-L-Fucp-(1-6)+

|

























|
b-D-Galp-(1-4)+


|
b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)-Asn
|



|
|

b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+


b-D-Manp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)+
|

|

|
a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+
b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)+
|

|

























|



















|

a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+


b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-4)+
|

|










|







|

a-L-Fucp-(1-3)+





a-D-Manp-(1-3)+

|
a-D-Neup5Ac-(2-6)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-Gl
cpNAc-(1-3)-b-D-Galp-(1-4)-b-D-GlcpNAc-(1-2)+




and click and your o/p is as attached
apart from the poor excuse for a pdb file it has the model with
glycosidic torsion angles as expected as in glycomapsdb





Straw poll:

Are you interested in software to autobuild polysaccarides?

Kevin

p.s. I expect I'll have to spend at least a year working on the
problem before before I spell polysaccharide consistently.






--
Engin Özkan
Post-doctoral Scholar
Laboratory of K. Christopher Garcia
Howard Hughes Medical Institute
Dept of Molecular and Cellular Physiology
279 Campus Drive, Beckman Center B173
Stanford School of Medicine
Stanford, CA 94305
ph: (650)-498-7111


Re: [ccp4bb] I/sigma for h+k=2n+1 and h+k=2n

2011-07-26 Thread zhang yu
Hi

Thanks for all the replies. I ran TRUNCATE in CCP4 and got what I want. I
will try other options later. Thank you again.

Yu

2011/7/26 Esko Oksanen esko.oksa...@helsinki.fi

  Yu,

  There is a parity analysis in dataman (a USF program) for example. You
 have to take into account that the sigmas are generally estimated assuming a
 unimodal intensity distribution, which is no longer true in the
 pseudo-symmetric case. In practice this means that the sigmas of the strong
 reflections tend to be underestimated (generally not a problem really) and
 those of the weak reflections are overestimated. This can be avoided to some
 extent by scaling the h+k = 2n and h+k = 2n+1 reflections separately. I
 ended up writing a small python script to do this from XDS output and
 scaling separately (see Oksanen et al. (2006) Acta Cryst. D62 1369-1374). Of
 course it would be even better if the scaling program would directly take
 into account the bimodal distribution...

  HTH,
  Esko


 On 26.7.2011, at 15.51, zhang yu wrote:

  Hi,

 I had a dataset which is P21 but with a pseudo-translational symmetry of
 (1/2, 1/2 ,0). Theoretically the dataset should show systematic weak spots
 of h+K= 2n+1 compared to h+k= 2n. Is that correct?

 I would like to have a close look at the reflections. for example, the
 average I/sigma for reflections with h+k=2n+1 and reflections with h+k=2n.
 Which software could do this job?  A brief tutorial is appreciated.

 Yu


 --
 Yu Zhang
 HHMI associate
 Waksman Institute, Rutgers University
 190 Frelinghuysen Rd.
 Piscataway, NJ, 08904





 Esko Oksanen, PhD
 Post-doctoral Fellow (EMBO)
 Groupe Synchrotron, Institut de Biologie Structurale J.P. Ebel
 41, rue Jules Horowitz
 F-38027 GRENOBLE Cedex 1
 FRANCE
 tel. +33 4 38 78 95 96
 mob. +33 6 84 15 14 88










-- 
Yu Zhang
HHMI associate
Waksman Institute, Rutgers University
190 Frelinghuysen Rd.
Piscataway, NJ, 08904


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[ccp4bb] Creating a non-minimal mmCIF dictionary for DNA?

2011-07-26 Thread Brittney Manvilla
I am trying to refine a protein-DNA structure, and I am having difficulties
refining the DNA using COOT.  I used the ccp4i Phaser program to molecular
replace the protein and DNA simultaneously (there are solved crystal
structures of the free protein and a similar DNA bound to another protein),
but I am only able to manually refine the protein in COOT.  If I try to
refine the DNA, a window pops up with the following statement:  No
Restraints Found! Non-existent or minimal description of restrained
residues. How do I create a non-minimal mmCIF dictionary for just the DNA?
I am relatively new to crystallography and would appreciate any guidance.

Brittney


Re: [ccp4bb] Creating a non-minimal mmCIF dictionary for DNA?

2011-07-26 Thread Robbie Joosten
Hi Brittney, 

 

DNA is pretty standard so the restraints should be in the dictionary. Perhaps 
the DNA in your model has non-standard residue names (PDBv2). Are your bases 
called DT, DA, etc? Do your atom names have * or '?

 

Cheers,

Robbie


 Date: Tue, 26 Jul 2011 12:45:08 -0400 
 From: bmanv...@umaryland.edu 
 Subject: [ccp4bb] Creating a non-minimal mmCIF dictionary for DNA? 
 To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK 
 
 I am trying to refine a protein-DNA structure, and I am having 
 difficulties refining the DNA using COOT. I used the ccp4i Phaser 
 program to molecular replace the protein and DNA simultaneously (there 
 are solved crystal structures of the free protein and a similar DNA 
 bound to another protein), but I am only able to manually refine the 
 protein in COOT. If I try to refine the DNA, a window pops up with the 
 following statement: No Restraints Found! Non-existent or minimal 
 description of restrained residues. How do I create a non-minimal mmCIF 
 dictionary for just the DNA? I am relatively new to crystallography 
 and would appreciate any guidance. 
 
 Brittney 
 

Re: [ccp4bb] Creating a non-minimal mmCIF dictionary for DNA?

2011-07-26 Thread Paul Emsley
I am trying to refine a protein-DNA structure, and I am having 
difficulties refining the DNA using COOT.  I used the ccp4i Phaser 
program to molecular replace the protein and DNA simultaneously (there 
are solved crystal structures of the free protein and a similar DNA 
bound to another protein), but I am only able to manually refine the 
protein in COOT.  If I try to refine the DNA, a window pops up with 
the following statement:  No Restraints Found! Non-existent or minimal 
description of restrained residues. How do I create a non-minimal 
mmCIF dictionary for just the DNA?  I am relatively new to 
crystallography and would appreciate any guidance.


You don't mention which version you are using...

I believe that if you use the current stable version of Coot (0.6.2) 
refinement of DNA should just work.


It's less likely to work without effort if you use an old version.

Paul.


[ccp4bb] Modified residue list

2011-07-26 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
Dear All,

Is there a simple way (or already an existing list) to extract/parse from
the heterodictionaries or monomer libraries which 3-letter symbols are
actually modified standard amino acids (as compared to bona fide ligands,
solvent molecules etc)? 

Thx!!
 BR
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[ccp4bb] small lysozyme crystals?

2011-07-26 Thread James Holton
Does anyone out there have a protocol of growing HEWL crystals that are 
all 50-100 microns wide?  I gave this project to a summer student 
recently, thinking it would be easy, but it is turning out to be more 
difficult than I thought.  Keep getting sphereulites instead of small 
crystals.  Yes, I know you can smash a large lysozyme crystal with a 
hammer, but that is not exactly what I was going for.  What I was hoping 
for was a well-defined protocol for growing reference crystals that 
stay evenly illuminated in our x-ray beams as they rotate.  The beam is 
100 um wide.


I'm sure someone has done this before?

-James Holton
MAD Scientist


Re: [ccp4bb] Modified residue list

2011-07-26 Thread Nat Echols
On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 10:46 AM, Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.) 
hofkristall...@gmail.com wrote:

 Is there a simple way (or already an existing list) to extract/parse from
 the heterodictionaries or monomer libraries which 3-letter symbols are
 actually modified standard amino acids (as compared to bona fide ligands,
 solvent molecules etc)?


You could start by searching for L-peptide in the CIF files (script
appended).  This won't actually tell you which are modified standard amino
acids, or which occur as part of protein chains, but it will narrow down the
list.  (Piping the output into grep TYROSINE yields 46 entries.)

-Nat

#!/bin/sh

MON_LIB=/Applications/ccp4-6.2.0/lib/data/monomers
DIRS=`/bin/ls ${MON_LIB}/`
for dir_name in $DIRS; do
  if [ -d ${MON_LIB}/${dir_name} ]; then
grep L-peptide ${MON_LIB}/${dir_name}/*.cif
  fi
done


Re: [ccp4bb] Modified residue list

2011-07-26 Thread Abhinav Kumar
If you simply want a list of modified residues, here is one that I 
compiled a while ago. More details on each can be found at LigandExpo.


'0CS' = 'ALA', '0NC' = 'ALA', 'AA3' = 'ALA',
'AA4' = 'ALA', 'ABA' = 'ALA', 'AHO' = 'ALA', 'AHP' = 'ALA', 'AIB' = 
'ALA',
'ALC' = 'ALA', 'ALM' = 'ALA', 'ALN' = 'ALA', 'ALS' = 'ALA', 'APH' = 
'ALA',
'AYA' = 'ALA', 'B2A' = 'ALA', 'B3A' = 'ALA', 'BAL' = 'ALA', 'BNN' = 
'ALA',
'CAB' = 'ALA', 'CHG' = 'ALA', 'CLB' = 'ALA', 'CLD' = 'ALA', 'DAB' = 
'ALA',
'DAL' = 'ALA', 'DBU' = 'ALA', 'DBZ' = 'ALA', 'DHA' = 'ALA', 'DNP' = 
'ALA',
'DPP' = 'ALA', 'FLA' = 'ALA', 'HAC' = 'ALA', 'HMF' = 'ALA', 'HV5' = 
'ALA',
'IAM' = 'ALA', 'KYN' = 'ALA', 'LAL' = 'ALA', 'MAA' = 'ALA', 'NAL' = 
'ALA',
'NAM' = 'ALA', 'NCB' = 'ALA', 'ORN' = 'ALA', 'PAU' = 'ALA', 'PRR' = 
'ALA',
'PYA' = 'ALA', 'SEC' = 'ALA', 'SEG' = 'ALA', 'TIH' = 'ALA', 'UMA' = 
'ALA',
'CLV' = 'ALA,PHE,GLY', 'X9Q' = 'ALA,PHE,GLY', '175' = 'ALA,SER,GLY', 
'CRW' = 'ALA,SER,GLY', 'CRX' = 'ALA,SER,GLY

',
'MDO' = 'ALA,SER,GLY', 'AYG' = 'ALA,TYR,GLY', '2MR' = 'ARG', 'AAR' = 
'ARG', 'ACL' = 'ARG',
'AGM' = 'ARG', 'ALG' = 'ARG', 'ARM' = 'ARG', 'BOR' = 'ARG', 'CIR' = 
'ARG',
'DAR' = 'ARG', 'DIR' = 'ARG', 'HAR' = 'ARG', 'HMR' = 'ARG', 'HRG' = 
'ARG',
'MAI' = 'ARG', 'MGG' = 'ARG', 'NMM' = 'ARG', 'NNH' = 'ARG', 'OPR' = 
'ARG',
'ORQ' = 'ARG', '0A5' = 'ASN', 'AFA' = 'ASN', 'AHB' = 'ASN', 'B3X' = 
'ASN',
'DMH' = 'ASN', 'DSG' = 'ASN', 'MEN' = 'ASN', 'NYG' = 'ASN,TYR,GLY', 
'0A0' = 'ASP',
'0AK' = 'ASP', '2AS' = 'ASP', '3MD' = 'ASP', 'ACB' = 'ASP', 'AEI' = 
'ASP',
'AKL' = 'ASP', 'ASA' = 'ASP', 'ASB' = 'ASP', 'ASI' = 'ASP', 'ASK' = 
'ASP',
'ASL' = 'ASP', 'ASQ' = 'ASP', 'B3D' = 'ASP', 'BFD' = 'ASP', 'BHD' = 
'ASP',
'DAS' = 'ASP', 'DMK' = 'ASP', 'DOH' = 'ASP', 'DSP' = 'ASP', 'IAS' = 
'ASP',
'LAA' = 'ASP', 'OHS' = 'ASP', 'OXX' = 'ASP', 'PAS' = 'ASP', 'PHD' = 
'ASP',
'TAV' = 'ASP', 'SUI' = 'ASP,GLY', 'DYG' = 'ASP,TYR,GLY', 'XYG' = 
'ASP,TYR,GLY', '0A8' = 'CYS',
'5CS' = 'CYS', 'BBC' = 'CYS', 'BCS' = 'CYS', 'BCX' = 'CYS', 'BPE' = 
'CYS',
'BTC' = 'CYS', 'BUC' = 'CYS', 'C3Y' = 'CYS', 'C5C' = 'CYS', 'C6C' = 
'CYS',
'CAF' = 'CYS', 'CAS' = 'CYS', 'CCS' = 'CYS', 'CEA' = 'CYS', 'CME' = 
'CYS',
'CMH' = 'CYS', 'CML' = 'CYS', 'CMT' = 'CYS', 'CS0' = 'CYS', 'CS1' = 
'CYS',
'CS3' = 'CYS', 'CS4' = 'CYS', 'CSA' = 'CYS', 'CSB' = 'CYS', 'CSD' = 
'CYS',
'CSE' = 'CYS', 'CSO' = 'CYS', 'CSP' = 'CYS', 'CSR' = 'CYS', 'CSS' = 
'CYS',
'CSU' = 'CYS', 'CSW' = 'CYS', 'CSX' = 'CYS', 'CSZ' = 'CYS', 'CY0' = 
'CYS',
'CY1' = 'CYS', 'CY3' = 'CYS', 'CY4' = 'CYS', 'CYA' = 'CYS', 'CYD' = 
'CYS',
'CYF' = 'CYS', 'CYG' = 'CYS', 'CYM' = 'CYS', 'CYQ' = 'CYS', 'CYR' = 
'CYS',
'CZ2' = 'CYS', 'CZZ' = 'CYS', 'DCY' = 'CYS', 'EFC' = 'CYS', 'FOE' = 
'CYS',
'GT9' = 'CYS', 'HTI' = 'CYS', 'K1R' = 'CYS', 'M0H' = 'CYS', 'MCS' = 
'CYS',
'NPH' = 'CYS', 'OCS' = 'CYS', 'OCY' = 'CYS', 'P1L' = 'CYS', 'PBB' = 
'CYS',
'PEC' = 'CYS', 'PR3' = 'CYS', 'PYX' = 'CYS', 'R1A' = 'CYS', 'R1B' = 
'CYS',
'R1F' = 'CYS', 'R7A' = 'CYS', 'RCY' = 'CYS', 'SAH' = 'CYS', 'SCH' = 
'CYS',
'SCS' = 'CYS', 'SCY' = 'CYS', 'SHC' = 'CYS', 'SIB' = 'CYS', 'SMC' = 
'CYS',
'SNC' = 'CYS', 'SOC' = 'CYS', 'TNB' = 'CYS', 'YCM' = 'CYS', 'GYC' = 
'CYS,TYR,GLY',
'DGN' = 'GLN', 'GHG' = 'GLN', 'GLH' = 'GLN', 'MEQ' = 'GLN', 'MGN' = 
'GLN',
'NLQ' = 'GLN', 'QLG' = 'GLN,LEU,GLY', 'CRQ' = 'GLN,TYR,GLY', '5HP' = 
'GLU', 'AR4' = 'GLU',
'B3E' = 'GLU', 'CGA' = 'GLU', 'CGU' = 'GLU', 'CRU' = 'GLU', 'DGL' = 
'GLU',
'GAU' = 'GLU', 'GGL' = 'GLU', 'GLQ' = 'GLU', 'GMA' = 'GLU', 'GSU' = 
'GLU',
'ILG' = 'GLU', 'LME' = 'GLU', 'MEG' = 'GLU', 'NHL' = 'GLU', 'PCA' = 
'GLU',
'0AC' = 'GLY', 'CHP' = 'GLY', 'CR5' = 'GLY', 'CSI' = 'GLY', 'FGL' = 
'GLY',
'GHP' = 'GLY', 'GLZ' = 'GLY', 'GSC' = 'GLY', 'IGL' = 'GLY', 'LPG' = 
'GLY',
'LVG' = 'GLY', 'MEU' = 'GLY', 'MGY' = 'GLY', 'MPQ' = 'GLY', 'NMC' = 
'GLY',
'PG9' = 'GLY', 'PGY' = 'GLY', 'SAR' = 'GLY', 'SHP' = 'GLY', 'TBG' = 
'GLY',
'4F3' = 'GLY,TYR,GLY', 'CR2' = 'GLY,TYR,GLY', 'CRO' = 'GLY,TYR,GLY', 
'MFC' = 'GLY,TYR,GLY', '3AH' = 'HIS',
'DDE' = 'HIS', 'DHI' = 'HIS', 'HBN' = 'HIS', 'HIA' = 'HIS', 'HIC' = 
'HIS',
'HIP' = 'HIS', 'HIQ' = 'HIS', 'HSO' = 'HIS', 'MHS' = 'HIS', 'NEM' = 
'HIS',
'NEP' = 'HIS', 'NZH' = 'HIS', 'OHI' = 'HIS', 'PSH' = 'HIS', 'PVH' = 
'HIS',
'CR8' = 'HIS,TYR,GLY', 'RC7' = 'HIS,TYR,GLY', 'B2I' = 'ILE', 'DIL' = 
'ILE', 'IIL' = 'ILE',
'ILX' = 'ILE', 'IML' = 'ILE', '0AG' = 'LEU', '1LU' = 'LEU', '2LU' = 
'LEU',
'2ML' = 'LEU', 'BLE' = 'LEU', 'BTA' = 'LEU', 'BUG' = 'LEU', 'CL0' = 
'LEU',
'CLE' = 'LEU', 'DLE' = 'LEU', 'DNE' = 'LEU', 'DNG' = 'LEU', 'DNM' = 
'LEU',
'DON' = 'LEU', 'FLE' = 'LEU', 'HLU' = 'LEU', 'LED' = 'LEU', 'LEF' = 
'LEU',
'MHL' = 'LEU', 'MLE' = 'LEU', 'MLL' = 'LEU', 'MNL' = 'LEU', 'NLE' = 
'LEU',
'NLN' = 'LEU', 'NLO' = 'LEU', 'NLP' = 'LEU', 'PLE' = 'LEU', 'PPH' = 
'LEU',
'LNT' = 'LEU,THR', '0A2' = 'LYS', '0AY' = 'LYS', '6CL' = 'LYS', 
'ALY' = 'LYS',
'API' = 'LYS', 'APK' = 'LYS', 'AZK' = 'LYS', 'B3K' = 'LYS', 'BLY' = 
'LYS',
'C1X' = 'LYS', 'CCL' = 'LYS', 'CLG' = 'LYS', 'CLH' = 'LYS', 'DLS' = 
'LYS',
'DLY' = 'LYS', 

Re: [ccp4bb] Modified residue list

2011-07-26 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:46:34 am Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.) wrote:
 Dear All,
 
 Is there a simple way (or already an existing list) to extract/parse from
 the heterodictionaries or monomer libraries which 3-letter symbols are
 actually modified standard amino acids (as compared to bona fide ligands,
 solvent molecules etc)? 

$CLIB/data/monomers/mon_lib.list
lists entities which are to be considered as peptides, but the list is
not exhaustive.

Ethan

 
 Thx!!
  BR

-- 
Ethan A Merritt
Biomolecular Structure Center,  K-428 Health Sciences Bldg
University of Washington, Seattle 98195-7742


Re: [ccp4bb] Modified residue list

2011-07-26 Thread Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
Thanks to all the respondents - that lib-list and the various script 
listing suggestions are a perfect start.
BR
-Original Message-
From: Ethan Merritt [mailto:merr...@u.washington.edu] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 26, 2011 11:06 AM
To: hofkristall...@gmail.com
Cc: CCP4BB@jiscmail.ac.uk
Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Modified residue list

On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 10:46:34 am Bernhard Rupp (Hofkristallrat a.D.)
wrote:
 Dear All,
 
 Is there a simple way (or already an existing list) to extract/parse 
 from the heterodictionaries or monomer libraries which 3-letter 
 symbols are actually modified standard amino acids (as compared to 
 bona fide ligands, solvent molecules etc)?

$CLIB/data/monomers/mon_lib.list
lists entities which are to be considered as peptides, but the list is not
exhaustive.

Ethan

 
 Thx!!
  BR

--
Ethan A Merritt
Biomolecular Structure Center,  K-428 Health Sciences Bldg University of
Washington, Seattle 98195-7742


Re: [ccp4bb] Creating a non-minimal mmCIF dictionary for DNA?

2011-07-26 Thread Brittney Manvilla
Thanks for the quick response!  I downloaded the newer version of COOT, and
it works perfectly now.  Thanks for the help!

Brittney

On Tue, Jul 26, 2011 at 1:16 PM, Paul Emsley paul.ems...@bioch.ox.ac.ukwrote:

 I am trying to refine a protein-DNA structure, and I am having difficulties
 refining the DNA using COOT.  I used the ccp4i Phaser program to molecular
 replace the protein and DNA simultaneously (there are solved crystal
 structures of the free protein and a similar DNA bound to another protein),
 but I am only able to manually refine the protein in COOT.  If I try to
 refine the DNA, a window pops up with the following statement:  No
 Restraints Found! Non-existent or minimal description of restrained
 residues. How do I create a non-minimal mmCIF dictionary for just the DNA?
  I am relatively new to crystallography and would appreciate any guidance.


 You don't mention which version you are using...

 I believe that if you use the current stable version of Coot (0.6.2)
 refinement of DNA should just work.

 It's less likely to work without effort if you use an old version.

 Paul.





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Re: [ccp4bb] Intensity-Weighted Reciprocal Lattice

2011-07-26 Thread Thomas White
On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:36:59 -0700 (PDT)
Michael Thompson mi...@chem.ucla.edu wrote:

 I would like to view the intensity-weighted reciprocal lattice for
 several data sets that I have collected. (The data have been indexed,
 integrated and scaled with Denzo and Scalepack.) I was wondering if
 anyone could offer some advice on what might be the best and/or most
 practical way to do this?

For the Hollywood graphics shown in various talks about the LCLS
X-ray laser nanocrystal work, I generated something very similar to
what you want.  To do it, I wrote a program which ate a list of
reflections and wrote a script for Persistence of Vision (raytracer),
then invoked the raytracer in animation mode to make individual
frames of animation before using a video encoding program (mencoder or
Final Cut Pro) to stich them together.  It was all a bit hacky, and it's
a terrible way to visualise results for anything other than impressing
audiences, but it did work.  The code to do it is in our FEL
crystallography suite which will be released publicly quite soon.
Customising the animation is done by editing the source code, and isn't
easy.

For something a few years ago, I wrote a different program which,
amongst many other things, showed a 3D reciprocal lattice weighted
exactly how you describe and allowed you to roll it around and zoom in
and out. If it sounds useful, I could resurrect that old code and tidy
it up a bit to make it useful - there's not much to it.  It could be
useful for my own work, so I could prioritise it a little higher if it
could be useful to other people...?

Tom


Re: [ccp4bb] Intensity-Weighted Reciprocal Lattice

2011-07-26 Thread Ethan Merritt
On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 01:59:32 pm Thomas White wrote:
 On Thu, 21 Jul 2011 18:36:59 -0700 (PDT)
 Michael Thompson mi...@chem.ucla.edu wrote:
 
  I would like to view the intensity-weighted reciprocal lattice for
  several data sets that I have collected. (The data have been indexed,
  integrated and scaled with Denzo and Scalepack.) I was wondering if
  anyone could offer some advice on what might be the best and/or most
  practical way to do this?

The program xrspace in the XtalView package does this.

http://www.iucr.org/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/8983/dem.pdf

You can produce files in the required format by using something
like this (example taken from the XtalView FAQ):

mtz2various hklin sm_phased_dm.mtz hklout sm_phased_dm.phs  eof
 labin FP=F FOM=FOMDM PHIB=PHIDM
 OUTPUT USER '(3I4,x,F7.2,3x,F7.2,3x,F7.2)'
 END
 eof
 
Ethan


 
 For the Hollywood graphics shown in various talks about the LCLS
 X-ray laser nanocrystal work, I generated something very similar to
 what you want.  To do it, I wrote a program which ate a list of
 reflections and wrote a script for Persistence of Vision (raytracer),
 then invoked the raytracer in animation mode to make individual
 frames of animation before using a video encoding program (mencoder or
 Final Cut Pro) to stich them together.  It was all a bit hacky, and it's
 a terrible way to visualise results for anything other than impressing
 audiences, but it did work.  The code to do it is in our FEL
 crystallography suite which will be released publicly quite soon.
 Customising the animation is done by editing the source code, and isn't
 easy.
 
 For something a few years ago, I wrote a different program which,
 amongst many other things, showed a 3D reciprocal lattice weighted
 exactly how you describe and allowed you to roll it around and zoom in
 and out. If it sounds useful, I could resurrect that old code and tidy
 it up a bit to make it useful - there's not much to it.  It could be
 useful for my own work, so I could prioritise it a little higher if it
 could be useful to other people...?
 
 Tom
 

-- 
Ethan A Merritt
Biomolecular Structure Center,  K-428 Health Sciences Bldg
University of Washington, Seattle 98195-7742


Re: [ccp4bb] small lysozyme crystals?

2011-07-26 Thread mjvdwoerd


 James,

I would have a look at the paper by Judge et al:

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1300446/pdf/10465769.pdf

 
Specifically, in this paper you will find that the crystallization behavior of 
lysozyme changes drastically with pH. At the time the paper wasn't really 
written to manipulate for small crystal size, but looking back at the paper 
(specifically Fig 5), it appears that you can read the conditions that will 
give you crystals around the size you want. 

Not re-reading the paper, quoting from memory (which we all think is better 
than it really is), it is important to use good quality lysozyme to get 
reproducible results. Good quality probably means freshly purified from fresh 
(farm-acquired) eggs. I am not kidding you, it makes a big difference. Also, I 
am going out on a limb to say (I know you know this) that the buffer 
preparation method matters a lot. Taking sodium acetate solution and pH-ing it 
with HCl will give very different results from taking acetic acid and pH-ing it 
with NaOH (because the ionic strength of the buffer is not the same). Lysozyme 
crystallizes so easily that we tend to forget tedious details.  

Hope this helps. This paper will probably give you some ideas in the right 
direction.

Mark van der Woerd


 

 

-Original Message-
From: James Holton jmhol...@lbl.gov
To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Sent: Tue, Jul 26, 2011 11:55 am
Subject: [ccp4bb] small lysozyme crystals?


Does anyone out there have a protocol of growing HEWL crystals that are all 
50-100 microns wide?  I gave this project to a summer student recently, 
thinking it would be easy, but it is turning out to be more difficult than I 
thought.  Keep getting sphereulites instead of small crystals.  Yes, I know you 
can smash a large lysozyme crystal with a hammer, but that is not exactly what 
I was going for.  What I was hoping for was a well-defined protocol for growing 
reference crystals that stay evenly illuminated in our x-ray beams as they 
rotate.  The beam is 100 um wide. 
 
I'm sure someone has done this before? 
 
-James Holton 
MAD Scientist 

 
 


Re: [ccp4bb] small lysozyme crystals?

2011-07-26 Thread Santarsiero, Bernard D.
That's a really old paper. You can purchase the lysozyme from Hampton
Research and it's fine. The recipe is available from the Hampton Research
page:

http://hamptonresearch.com/product_detail.aspx?cid=28sid=173pid=524

Grow them a low temp and you can stop them when they are the right size. 
I favor that over room temp. They grow fast and large, but don't give a
good R(merge) as when grown at a lower concentration and slower.

Bernie



On Tue, July 26, 2011 5:09 pm, mjvdwo...@netscape.net wrote:


  James,

 I would have a look at the paper by Judge et al:

 http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1300446/pdf/10465769.pdf


 Specifically, in this paper you will find that the crystallization
 behavior of lysozyme changes drastically with pH. At the time the paper
 wasn't really written to manipulate for small crystal size, but looking
 back at the paper (specifically Fig 5), it appears that you can read the
 conditions that will give you crystals around the size you want.

 Not re-reading the paper, quoting from memory (which we all think is
 better than it really is), it is important to use good quality lysozyme to
 get reproducible results. Good quality probably means freshly purified
 from fresh (farm-acquired) eggs. I am not kidding you, it makes a big
 difference. Also, I am going out on a limb to say (I know you know this)
 that the buffer preparation method matters a lot. Taking sodium acetate
 solution and pH-ing it with HCl will give very different results from
 taking acetic acid and pH-ing it with NaOH (because the ionic strength of
 the buffer is not the same). Lysozyme crystallizes so easily that we tend
 to forget tedious details.

 Hope this helps. This paper will probably give you some ideas in the right
 direction.

 Mark van der Woerd