Re: [ccp4bb] [Off-topic] Comparison of the same structure built by many people
Perhaps this can be automated: https://www.phenix-online.org/papers/wd5073_reprint.pdf Software doesn't get tired or bored, and thus potentially can try more and produce more plausible interretations. Then one can hire a number of people of various expertise to choose "best" result according to their subjective interpretations. Pavel On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 12:25 PM, Shintaro Aibara wrote: > Dear All, > > Apologies for the slightly off-topic, but I was wondering if anybody knew > of a paper/textbook where a protein model was built by multiple people > (ranging from novice to experienced builders) and compared. I believe the > conclusion was that while the overall trace was broadly correct, > experienced builders maintained better geometry compared to beginners. > > I distinctly remember reading it a couple of years ago but cannot seem to > find the figure. If anybody knows of this figure/paper/textbook it would be > much appreciated if you could point me in the direction. > > Yours faithfully, > Shintaro >
Re: [ccp4bb] [Off-topic] Comparison of the same structure built by many people
It sounds a bit like this paper from a year ago: https://www.nature.com/articles/ncomms12549 apart from the conclusion: here the point is that amateurs build higher quality models than crystallographers. On 20 November 2017 at 20:25, Shintaro Aibara wrote: > Dear All, > > Apologies for the slightly off-topic, but I was wondering if anybody knew of > a paper/textbook where a protein model was built by multiple people (ranging > from novice to experienced builders) and compared. I believe the conclusion > was that while the overall trace was broadly correct, experienced builders > maintained better geometry compared to beginners. > > I distinctly remember reading it a couple of years ago but cannot seem to > find the figure. If anybody knows of this figure/paper/textbook it would be > much appreciated if you could point me in the direction. > > Yours faithfully, > Shintaro
Re: [ccp4bb] [Off-topic] Comparison of the same structure built by many people
Thanks Mark for the paper, it kind of catches the essence of what I was looking for. I do however remember it was more people and I think I'm looking for a figure where all the builds (which if I remember correctly was in the 10's rather than 3) were superimposed over each other to make what looked similar to an NMR ensemble. On Mon, Nov 20, 2017 at 10:04 PM, Mark J. van Raaij wrote: > > This one? > http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?SE0260 > > > Mark J van Raaij > CNB-CSIC > wwwuser.csic.es/~mjvanraaij > > Original message > From: Shintaro Aibara > Date: 20/11/2017 21:25 (GMT+01:00) > To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK > Subject: [ccp4bb] [Off-topic] Comparison of the same structure built by > many people > > Dear All, > > Apologies for the slightly off-topic, but I was wondering if anybody knew > of a paper/textbook where a protein model was built by multiple people > (ranging from novice to experienced builders) and compared. I believe the > conclusion was that while the overall trace was broadly correct, > experienced builders maintained better geometry compared to beginners. > > I distinctly remember reading it a couple of years ago but cannot seem to > find the figure. If anybody knows of this figure/paper/textbook it would be > much appreciated if you could point me in the direction. > > Yours faithfully, > Shintaro > -- Yours Sincerely, Shintaro Aibara
Re: [ccp4bb] [Off-topic] Comparison of the same structure built by many people
This one?http://scripts.iucr.org/cgi-bin/paper?SE0260 Mark J van RaaijCNB-CSICwwwuser.csic.es/~mjvanraaij Original message From: Shintaro Aibara Date: 20/11/2017 21:25 (GMT+01:00) To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] [Off-topic] Comparison of the same structure built by many people Dear All, Apologies for the slightly off-topic, but I was wondering if anybody knew of a paper/textbook where a protein model was built by multiple people (ranging from novice to experienced builders) and compared. I believe the conclusion was that while the overall trace was broadly correct, experienced builders maintained better geometry compared to beginners. I distinctly remember reading it a couple of years ago but cannot seem to find the figure. If anybody knows of this figure/paper/textbook it would be much appreciated if you could point me in the direction. Yours faithfully, Shintaro
[ccp4bb] [Off-topic] Comparison of the same structure built by many people
Dear All, Apologies for the slightly off-topic, but I was wondering if anybody knew of a paper/textbook where a protein model was built by multiple people (ranging from novice to experienced builders) and compared. I believe the conclusion was that while the overall trace was broadly correct, experienced builders maintained better geometry compared to beginners. I distinctly remember reading it a couple of years ago but cannot seem to find the figure. If anybody knows of this figure/paper/textbook it would be much appreciated if you could point me in the direction. Yours faithfully, Shintaro
