Re: [ccp4bb] 3-D Coot Capable Computer Monitor/Glasses for Mac Laptop?

[nathanielclar5 .]

I misstated something earlier, and I would like to correct the record:

Magic Eye books instruct you on using wall-eyed stereo (with excellent
instructions, highly recommended!).  Currently (with computer monitors) I
find cross-eyed much easier (and I think more people should try it).
Thanks,
Nat



On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 1:41 PM, nathanielclar5 . 
wrote:

> To learn how to cross eyes, just hold you index fingers strait up, ~12-18
> inches from your eyes, and cross your eyes until the two fingers overlap to
> form a third finger in the middle.  Then practice holding your eyes there.
> You can also practice with ceiling tiles, floor tiles, anything that
> repeats,  Just cross your eyes until adjacent things overlap, and that's
> it.
>
> It's best to start with a small image, like a small (4"x6") Coot window
> with a simple object like a sulfate ion displayed.  Once you get the hang
> if it, you can use larger windows.  It's totally worth learning to see in
> cross-eye stereo if you look at structures.
>
> I learned to see cross-eye as a kid from the 'Magic Eye' books.  I'm sure
> there are great tutorials and examples on the web.
> Nat
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Xiao Lei  wrote:
>
>> I never learn how to "cross eye", I may need to check if some video
>> instruction online...
>>
>>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:28 AM, nathanielclar5 . <
> nathanielcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You already have stereo built in, just turn on 'cross eyed stereo' and
>> learn to cross your eyes!  It's brighter than any 3d monitor, requires no
>> hardware, and no, it won't hurt your eyes (even for hours at a time)
>>
>> Nat
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Jim Fairman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Daniel,
>>>
>>> To best of my knowledge, options for 3d stereo on Mac are limited to
>>> Zalman:  https://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php
>>> /Zalman_Stereo
>>>
>>> If you're willing to go to Linux or Windows, you can do an Nvidia Quadro
>>> Card with a 120 or 144Hz monitor with a 3D Vision glasses kit.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Jim
>>>
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>> Jim Fairman
>>> Principal Scientist II
>>> Roche Sequencing Solutions
>>> 2841 Scott Blvd
>>> 
>>> Santa Clara, CA 95050
>>> 
>>> fairman@gmail.com jim.fair...@roche.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jim Fairman
>>> C: 1-240-479-6575 <(240)%20479-6575>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. <
>>> danielmhim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking for some computer hardware advice.
 I have a MacBook Pro with a "Retina" screen and
 an Intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB graphics card,
 running OS X 10.11.16 ("El Capitan"), and I would
 like to view structures in 3-D in Coot.

 Which computer monitors and which 3-D glasses brands
 would allow me to view 3-D graphics in Coot?  Should I
 be going for dynamic 3-D glasses?

 -Daniel


>>>
>>
>

Re: [ccp4bb] 3-D Coot Capable Computer Monitor/Glasses for Mac Laptop?

[wtempel]

Hi Nat,
could you be referring to side-by-side stereo in this (computer monitor)
use case?
http://www.ks.uiuc.edu/Research/vmd/vmd-1.7.1/ug/node97.html
W.


On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 2:41 PM, nathanielclar5 . 
wrote:

> To learn how to cross eyes, just hold you index fingers strait up, ~12-18
> inches from your eyes, and cross your eyes until the two fingers overlap to
> form a third finger in the middle.  Then practice holding your eyes there.
> You can also practice with ceiling tiles, floor tiles, anything that
> repeats,  Just cross your eyes until adjacent things overlap, and that's
> it.
>
> It's best to start with a small image, like a small (4"x6") Coot window
> with a simple object like a sulfate ion displayed.  Once you get the hang
> if it, you can use larger windows.  It's totally worth learning to see in
> cross-eye stereo if you look at structures.
>
> I learned to see cross-eye as a kid from the 'Magic Eye' books.  I'm sure
> there are great tutorials and examples on the web.
> Nat
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Xiao Lei  wrote:
>
>> I never learn how to "cross eye", I may need to check if some video
>> instruction online...
>>
>>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:28 AM, nathanielclar5 . <
> nathanielcl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You already have stereo built in, just turn on 'cross eyed stereo' and
>> learn to cross your eyes!  It's brighter than any 3d monitor, requires no
>> hardware, and no, it won't hurt your eyes (even for hours at a time)
>>
>> Nat
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Jim Fairman 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Daniel,
>>>
>>> To best of my knowledge, options for 3d stereo on Mac are limited to
>>> Zalman:  https://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php
>>> /Zalman_Stereo
>>>
>>> If you're willing to go to Linux or Windows, you can do an Nvidia Quadro
>>> Card with a 120 or 144Hz monitor with a 3D Vision glasses kit.
>>>
>>> Cheers, Jim
>>>
>>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>>> Jim Fairman
>>> Principal Scientist II
>>> Roche Sequencing Solutions
>>> 2841 Scott Blvd
>>> 
>>> Santa Clara, CA 95050
>>> 
>>> fairman@gmail.com jim.fair...@roche.com
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Jim Fairman
>>> C: 1-240-479-6575 <(240)%20479-6575>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. <
>>> danielmhim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
 I'm looking for some computer hardware advice.
 I have a MacBook Pro with a "Retina" screen and
 an Intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB graphics card,
 running OS X 10.11.16 ("El Capitan"), and I would
 like to view structures in 3-D in Coot.

 Which computer monitors and which 3-D glasses brands
 would allow me to view 3-D graphics in Coot?  Should I
 be going for dynamic 3-D glasses?

 -Daniel


>>>
>>
>

Re: [ccp4bb] 3-D Coot Capable Computer Monitor/Glasses for Mac Laptop?

[nathanielclar5 .]

To learn how to cross eyes, just hold you index fingers strait up, ~12-18
inches from your eyes, and cross your eyes until the two fingers overlap to
form a third finger in the middle.  Then practice holding your eyes there.
You can also practice with ceiling tiles, floor tiles, anything that
repeats,  Just cross your eyes until adjacent things overlap, and that's
it.

It's best to start with a small image, like a small (4"x6") Coot window
with a simple object like a sulfate ion displayed.  Once you get the hang
if it, you can use larger windows.  It's totally worth learning to see in
cross-eye stereo if you look at structures.

I learned to see cross-eye as a kid from the 'Magic Eye' books.  I'm sure
there are great tutorials and examples on the web.
Nat

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:39 AM, Xiao Lei  wrote:

> I never learn how to "cross eye", I may need to check if some video
> instruction online...
>
>
On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:28 AM, nathanielclar5 . 
wrote:

> You already have stereo built in, just turn on 'cross eyed stereo' and
> learn to cross your eyes!  It's brighter than any 3d monitor, requires no
> hardware, and no, it won't hurt your eyes (even for hours at a time)
>
> Nat
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Jim Fairman 
> wrote:
>
>> Daniel,
>>
>> To best of my knowledge, options for 3d stereo on Mac are limited to
>> Zalman:  https://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php
>> /Zalman_Stereo
>>
>> If you're willing to go to Linux or Windows, you can do an Nvidia Quadro
>> Card with a 120 or 144Hz monitor with a 3D Vision glasses kit.
>>
>> Cheers, Jim
>>
>> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
>> Jim Fairman
>> Principal Scientist II
>> Roche Sequencing Solutions
>> 2841 Scott Blvd
>> 
>> Santa Clara, CA 95050
>> 
>> fairman@gmail.com jim.fair...@roche.com
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> 
>> --
>> Jim Fairman
>> C: 1-240-479-6575 <(240)%20479-6575>
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. <
>> danielmhim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'm looking for some computer hardware advice.
>>> I have a MacBook Pro with a "Retina" screen and
>>> an Intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB graphics card,
>>> running OS X 10.11.16 ("El Capitan"), and I would
>>> like to view structures in 3-D in Coot.
>>>
>>> Which computer monitors and which 3-D glasses brands
>>> would allow me to view 3-D graphics in Coot?  Should I
>>> be going for dynamic 3-D glasses?
>>>
>>> -Daniel
>>>
>>>
>>
>

Re: [ccp4bb] 3-D Coot Capable Computer Monitor/Glasses for Mac Laptop?

[nathanielclar5 .]

You already have stereo built in, just turn on 'cross eyed stereo' and
learn to cross your eyes!  It's brighter than any 3d monitor, requires no
hardware, and no, it won't hurt your eyes (even for hours at a time)

Nat

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 11:01 AM, Jim Fairman  wrote:

> Daniel,
>
> To best of my knowledge, options for 3d stereo on Mac are limited to
> Zalman:  https://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.
> php/Zalman_Stereo
>
> If you're willing to go to Linux or Windows, you can do an Nvidia Quadro
> Card with a 120 or 144Hz monitor with a 3D Vision glasses kit.
>
> Cheers, Jim
>
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> Jim Fairman
> Principal Scientist II
> Roche Sequencing Solutions
> 2841 Scott Blvd
> 
> Santa Clara, CA 95050
> 
> fairman@gmail.com jim.fair...@roche.com
>
>
>
>
> --
> Jim Fairman
> C: 1-240-479-6575 <(240)%20479-6575>
>
> On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. <
> danielmhim...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm looking for some computer hardware advice.
>> I have a MacBook Pro with a "Retina" screen and
>> an Intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB graphics card,
>> running OS X 10.11.16 ("El Capitan"), and I would
>> like to view structures in 3-D in Coot.
>>
>> Which computer monitors and which 3-D glasses brands
>> would allow me to view 3-D graphics in Coot?  Should I
>> be going for dynamic 3-D glasses?
>>
>> -Daniel
>>
>>
>

Re: [ccp4bb] 3-D Coot Capable Computer Monitor/Glasses for Mac Laptop?

[Jim Fairman]

Daniel,

To best of my knowledge, options for 3d stereo on Mac are limited to
Zalman:
https://strucbio.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/ccp4wiki/index.php/Zalman_Stereo

If you're willing to go to Linux or Windows, you can do an Nvidia Quadro
Card with a 120 or 144Hz monitor with a 3D Vision glasses kit.

Cheers, Jim

-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Jim Fairman
Principal Scientist II
Roche Sequencing Solutions
2841 Scott Blvd
Santa Clara, CA 95050
fairman@gmail.com jim.fair...@roche.com




--
Jim Fairman
C: 1-240-479-6575

On Fri, Mar 2, 2018 at 8:24 AM, Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D. <
danielmhim...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm looking for some computer hardware advice.
> I have a MacBook Pro with a "Retina" screen and
> an Intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB graphics card,
> running OS X 10.11.16 ("El Capitan"), and I would
> like to view structures in 3-D in Coot.
>
> Which computer monitors and which 3-D glasses brands
> would allow me to view 3-D graphics in Coot?  Should I
> be going for dynamic 3-D glasses?
>
> -Daniel
>
>

[ccp4bb] 3-D Coot Capable Computer Monitor/Glasses for Mac Laptop?

[Daniel M. Himmel, Ph. D.]

I'm looking for some computer hardware advice.
I have a MacBook Pro with a "Retina" screen and
an Intel HD Graphics 4000 1536 MB graphics card,
running OS X 10.11.16 ("El Capitan"), and I would
like to view structures in 3-D in Coot.

Which computer monitors and which 3-D glasses brands
would allow me to view 3-D graphics in Coot?  Should I
be going for dynamic 3-D glasses?

-Daniel