Re: [ccp4bb] ARP/wARP and computer platforms

2009-02-21 Thread John Badger
Interesting that these questionaire responses are very different from
the numbers obained from looking at downloads counts for other cross-platform
crystallography software. I wonder if they are more reflective of the currently 
available ARP-wARP platforms and perhaps the role of administrator-
programmer types as the main responders.

The open source MIFit distribution (recent data since this was available from 
Jan 2009) from http://code.google.com/p/mifit/downloads/list 
logs today at

84 Windows, zipped
84 Linux, gzipped
85 Windows, installer

I recall a similar disconnect between CCP4 downloads and BB replies to a 
questions on optimal hardware platform for crystallographic computing - 
basically, an antipathy from specific posters towards the Windows OS but a 
lot of downloads logged.

I have come to prefer the laptop crystallography in a Windows enviroment 
because it is simpler and more efficient for my  current work (early stage drug 
discovery and development using fragment screening and protein structure 
data) that requires chemistry 'bench' software and tight integration with 
project reporting and management functions.

For the record, I don't see any decision-making issues with crystallographic 
computing performance on Windows.  For example, On a moderately high-end 
laptop I will typically be able to line-up and auto-process ~8 image data 
sets/hour (either MOSFLM or d*TREK). A basic structure solution task
(MOLREP, 3 rounds of refinement with REFMAC with some water-picking and 
validation calculations) is usually performed in well under 5 minutes. Cost is 
a 
slippery argument since the cost of much of the crystallographic software for 
commercial use is often several times that of the computer itself and order of 
magnitude more than a copy of MS Office. Many users might prefer a reliable 
ready-to-run precompiled executables than potentially dealing with compilation 
or run-time issues (many useful posts on this BB are about dealing with 
those!) since not everyone has the knowledge time or desire to work them 
out. 

Hope this does not provoke a 'religious war' from the OS zealots - as I 
indicated I think the optimal OS for crystallography depends more on other 
factors in your work environment rather than benchmark issues. I would not 
take this survey to mean that there is no interest in ARP/wARP on Windows - 
especially as it is one of the more unique programs, perhaps without a direct 
substitute.

As a sidebar, Windows interoperability and reduction of cost/complexity in the 
crystallographic computing environment is the main reason for preserving
arp-waters in CCP4.

Thanks
John Badger, Director of Structural Biology, Zenobia Therapeutics


[ccp4bb] ARP/wARP and computer platforms

2009-02-20 Thread Victor Lamzin
We were collecting information on computer platforms that people would 
like ARP/wARP to run on.


126 people responded with 296 platform choices. The latter grouped as 
follows:


Linux i686   26%
Linux x86_64 24%
Linux ia644%
 total Linux54%

Mac powerpc   9%
Mac Intel 10.48%
Mac Intel 10.5   21%
 total Mac  38%

Windows   5%
IRIX64 mips   2%
Other platforms   1%

In addition, we asked about CCP4 version used:
CCP4 6.x only98%
CCP4 5.x only 2%
Both 5.x and 6.x  6%

Many thanks for participation in the questionnaire!

With best regards,
Victor


[ccp4bb] ARP/wARP and computer platforms

2009-01-22 Thread Victor Lamzin
We are collecting information on computer platforms that people would 
like ARP/wARP to run on. To access the questionnaire please go to 
http://www.embl-hamburg.de/ARP/platinf_new.shtml


Thank you for your cooperation.

With best regards,
Victor