Re: [ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Refmac5

2014-05-29 Thread Eleanor Dodson
There are differences between the LINK pdb definition and that in REFMAC -
hence the different name LINK and LINKR

LINKR allows you to do this: ie cross reference to a dictionary link which
is much more informative than a simple LINK record which can only define a
link distance.

However for reasons I do not know this addition has never been adopted as
standard PDB information so there is confusion between different programs..
Eleanor.


Definition of LINK with LINKR part in red.


The LINK records specify connectivity between residues that is not implied
by the primary structure. Connectivity is expressed in terms of the atom
names. This record supplements information given in CONECT records and is
provided here for convenience in searching.
Record Format

COLUMNSDATA TYPE   FIELD   DEFINITION

 1 -  6Record name LINK  

13 - 16Atomname1   Atom name.

17 Character   altLoc1 Alternate location indicator.

18 - 20Residue nameresName1Residue name.

22 Character   chainID1Chain identifier.

23 - 26Integer resSeq1 Residue sequence number.

27 AChar   iCode1  Insertion code.

43 - 46Atomname2   Atom name.

47 Character   altLoc2 Alternate location indicator.

48 - 50Residue nameresName2Residue name.

52 Character   chainID2Chain identifier.

53 - 56Integer resSeq2 Residue sequence number.

57 AChar   iCode2  Insertion code.

60 - 65SymOP   sym1Symmetry operator for 1st atom.

67 - 72SymOP   sym2Symmetry operator for 2nd atom.
73 - 80LinkID  linkid  Cross-reference to LINK
definition in CCP4 libraries




On 28 May 2014 16:10, herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote:

 Dear Remie,

 For reasons that probably only Garib understands, Refmac still uses LINKR
 instead of LINK to link atoms. However (at least for Refmac) both LINK and
 LINKR should work.

 After a lot of complaining in the past (also from my side), the handling
 of carbohydrates in Refmac is ok. I just did some tests with N-linked
 carbohydrates (NAG, MAN): after using the Make Link option in coot and
 saving the file, there were regular LINK records, created by coot. After
 running refmac from within coot and saving the files, the LINK records were
 converted (perverted?) to LINKR records. However, they did not disappear
 and after restarting coot and loading the file again, they were still
 there. Also my version of pymol recognizes both LINK and LINKR records,
 since the connections are shown when I load the files before and after
 running refmac.

 Some suggestions: check that you are using recent versions of coot, refmac
 and pymol. Older versions may have problems. I don't know how you construct
 your carbohydrates, but if you get the monomers, you have to delete an
 oxygen atom in the link (in my case the O1 atom). Make also sure that your
 starting geometry is acceptable. Just doing a real space refinement usually
 works well, but sometimes the carbohydrate crashes into the protein density
 and you will have to manually fit the sugar as good as possible. Some of
 the older files in the PDB may have distorted carbohydrates, so here it is
 probably best to build the carbohydrates again from scratch (get monomer,
 delete linking oxygen) etc.

 Good luck!
 Herman






 -Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
 Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von
 Remie Fawaz-Touma
 Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014 16:13
 An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
 Betreff: [ccp4bb] Refmac5

 Hello everyone,

 When I refine in CCP4 a structure with Glc units attached every few of
 them as a ligand and there are several of them in the same file, I start
 off with a PDB that shows the LINK records between the GLC units as LINKR
 because I add the links by  Extensions  Modelling  Make Link (2 atoms)
 in COOT.

 What does LINKR mean? why not just LINK?

 More importantly, when I refine, the output PDB file does not contain the
 LINK records, why do they go away? and in PyMol I see only GLC that are
 close enough to make a covalent bond stay connected, the others become
 detached, in CCP4 they all show detached, but if I do a real space
 refinement for those sugars of the same ligand in the output file, they
 come close together and attached?

 Any suggestions?

 Thank you very much in advance.

 Remie



[ccp4bb] AW: [ccp4bb] Refmac5

2014-05-28 Thread Herman . Schreuder
Dear Remie,

For reasons that probably only Garib understands, Refmac still uses LINKR 
instead of LINK to link atoms. However (at least for Refmac) both LINK and 
LINKR should work.

After a lot of complaining in the past (also from my side), the handling of 
carbohydrates in Refmac is ok. I just did some tests with N-linked 
carbohydrates (NAG, MAN): after using the Make Link option in coot and saving 
the file, there were regular LINK records, created by coot. After running 
refmac from within coot and saving the files, the LINK records were converted 
(perverted?) to LINKR records. However, they did not disappear and after 
restarting coot and loading the file again, they were still there. Also my 
version of pymol recognizes both LINK and LINKR records, since the connections 
are shown when I load the files before and after running refmac.

Some suggestions: check that you are using recent versions of coot, refmac and 
pymol. Older versions may have problems. I don't know how you construct your 
carbohydrates, but if you get the monomers, you have to delete an oxygen atom 
in the link (in my case the O1 atom). Make also sure that your starting 
geometry is acceptable. Just doing a real space refinement usually works well, 
but sometimes the carbohydrate crashes into the protein density and you will 
have to manually fit the sugar as good as possible. Some of the older files in 
the PDB may have distorted carbohydrates, so here it is probably best to build 
the carbohydrates again from scratch (get monomer, delete linking oxygen) etc.  
  

Good luck!
Herman






-Ursprüngliche Nachricht-
Von: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] Im Auftrag von Remie 
Fawaz-Touma
Gesendet: Mittwoch, 28. Mai 2014 16:13
An: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK
Betreff: [ccp4bb] Refmac5

Hello everyone,

When I refine in CCP4 a structure with Glc units attached every few of them as 
a ligand and there are several of them in the same file, I start off with a PDB 
that shows the LINK records between the GLC units as LINKR because I add the 
links by  Extensions  Modelling  Make Link (2 atoms) in COOT. 

What does LINKR mean? why not just LINK?

More importantly, when I refine, the output PDB file does not contain the LINK 
records, why do they go away? and in PyMol I see only GLC that are close enough 
to make a covalent bond stay connected, the others become detached, in CCP4 
they all show detached, but if I do a real space refinement for those sugars of 
the same ligand in the output file, they come close together and attached?

Any suggestions?

Thank you very much in advance.

Remie