Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays?
BSD According to the NVIDIA website, the Mac versions of the Quadro FX 4800 and the Quadro 4000 have 3 pin stereo ports, and there is nothing that I could find that says that the MAC drivers for these cards don't support quad-buffered stereo using the new LCD screens and NVIDIA glasses (that would be Stereo mode 10 under Linux). Has someone received an official answer from NVIDIA that they do *not* work? Harry Zalman uses passive LCD stereo, however. From the thread of this discussion, it appears that active LCD stereo (using a 120Hz monitor, NVidia graphics card etc.) will not work on a Mac? Has anyone had a successful experience using active LCD stereo on a Mac? Padmaja - Harry M. Greenblatt Associate Staff Scientist Dept of Structural Biology harry.greenbl...@weizmann.ac.il Weizmann Institute of SciencePhone: 972-8-934-3625 Rehovot, 76100 Facsimile: 972-8-934-4159 Israel
Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays?
On 25 Jan 2011, at 08:35, Harry M. Greenblatt wrote: Has someone received an official answer from NVIDIA that they do *not* work? I raised this issue here back in November. Someone, whose email I cannot now find, replied off-list to say that they had been told by nVidia that 3D Vision did not work on Macs. nVidia's website is a little confused. Their 3D Vision pages say that it requires Microsoft Windows XP 32/64 bit, Vista 32/64-bit or Windows 7 32/64-bit, Linux 32/64 bit. Their Quadro FX4800 for Mac page says that Professional 3D Stereo Solutions enables robust control of stereo effect through a dedicated 3-pin mini-din connection between the graphics card and 3D stereo hardware and links to the 3D Vision pages. I spent quite a while looking at this last year and found several people who couldn't get it to work and none who could. Chris The Institute of Cancer Research: Royal Cancer Hospital, a charitable Company Limited by Guarantee, Registered in England under Company No. 534147 with its Registered Office at 123 Old Brompton Road, London SW7 3RP. This e-mail message is confidential and for use by the addressee only. If the message is received by anyone other than the addressee, please return the message to the sender by replying to it and then delete the message from your computer and network.
Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays?
Dear Hudel, I have Zalman monitors M215W connected to an iMac and to a PowerMac and both pymol and coot work well. I also tested the monitors in my MacBook pro and they work fine. The MacBook pro has an NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M, the iMac has an ATI Radeon 5750 and the MacPro has ATI radeon 5770. The only issue that I found is that in pymol , you have to start pymol and then type stereo on the pymol command lines. This may not be necessary for other installations, but this is the way I got it to work. Carlos R. Escalante Ph.D Assistant Professor Department of Physiology and Biophysics VCU School of Medicine 1220 East Broad Street MMRB 2-040 Richmond, VA 23219 cescala...@vcu.edu (804)628-1202 On 1/24/11 12:56 AM, Luecke, Hartmut wrote: My apologies if this has been discussed before. Has anyone got this to work? Preferably with a Mac? We would love to hear the configuration. Cheers, Hudel Hartmut Luecke Director, Center for Biomembrane Systems Depts. of Biochemistry, Biophysics Computer Science 3205 McGaugh Hall University of California Irvine, CA 92697-3900 hu...@uci.edu http://bass.bio.uci.edu/~hudel/ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission.
Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays?
Hi Amir, I have VMware WindowsXP (guest) running on Centos5 (host) running. Open GL - 3D does not work. VMware emulates the graphics board. VMware 6.5 supports only Direct X. I don't know whether a newer version will do; I doubt. Guenter Hi, Does newer 3-D hardware work using VMWare/Windows on a Mac? Thanks! Amir ___ _ From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Jim Fairman [fairman@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:17 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays? Forgot to mention that this is only for the newer 120 Hz LCDs using the Nvidia 3D Vision system. You'll have to stick with your CRT for now or switch to Linux/Win for the newer hardware. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Jim Fairman fairman@gmail.commailto:fairman@gmail.com wrote: Stereoscopic 3D driven by OpenGL via an Nvidia Quadro FX card is only available on Linux and Windows. You'll have to beg the Nvidia gods for drivers for Mac. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Luecke, Hartmut hu...@uci.edumailto:hu...@uci.edu wrote: My apologies if this has been discussed before. Has anyone got this to work? Preferably with a Mac? We would love to hear the configuration. Cheers, Hudel Hartmut Luecke Director, Center for Biomembrane Systems Depts. of Biochemistry, Biophysics Computer Science 3205 McGaugh Hall University of California Irvine, CA 92697-3900 hu...@uci.edumailto:hu...@uci.edu http://bass.bio.uci.edu/~hudel/ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. -- Jim Fairman, Ph D. Post-Doctoral Fellow National Institutes of Health - NIDDK The Buchanan Labhttp://www-mslmb.niddk.nih.gov/buchanan/index.html Lab: 1-301-594-9229 E-mail: fairman@gmail.commailto:fairman@gmail.com james.fair...@nih.govmailto:james.fair...@nih.gov -- Jim Fairman, Ph D. Post-Doctoral Fellow National Institutes of Health - NIDDK The Buchanan Labhttp://www-mslmb.niddk.nih.gov/buchanan/index.html Lab: 1-301-594-9229 E-mail: fairman@gmail.commailto:fairman@gmail.com james.fair...@nih.govmailto:james.fair...@nih.gov -- *** Priv.Doz.Dr. Guenter Fritz Fachbereich Biologie Universitaet Konstanz http://www.biologie.uni-konstanz.de/fritz e-mail: guenter.fr...@uni-konstanz.de e-mail: guenter.fr...@uniklinik-freiburg.de http://www.uniklinik-freiburg.de/neuropathologie/live/forschung/ag-g-fritz.html Tel.: +49 761 270 5078 Fax.: +49 761 270 5050
Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays?
No, it requires a native system (Windows/Linux) installed. The graphics drivers installed by VMWare do not emulate the full HW capabilities of the Quadro card. Pedro Matias At 12:36 24-01-2011, Amir Khan wrote: Hi, Does newer 3-D hardware work using VMWare/Windows on a Mac? Thanks! Amir ___ _ From: CCP4 bulletin board [CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Jim Fairman [fairman@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, January 24, 2011 6:17 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays? Forgot to mention that this is only for the newer 120 Hz LCDs using the Nvidia 3D Vision system. You'll have to stick with your CRT for now or switch to Linux/Win for the newer hardware. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Jim Fairman fairman@gmail.commailto:fairman@gmail.com wrote: Stereoscopic 3D driven by OpenGL via an Nvidia Quadro FX card is only available on Linux and Windows. You'll have to beg the Nvidia gods for drivers for Mac. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Luecke, Hartmut hu...@uci.edumailto:hu...@uci.edu wrote: My apologies if this has been discussed before. Has anyone got this to work? Preferably with a Mac? We would love to hear the configuration. Cheers, Hudel Hartmut Luecke Director, Center for Biomembrane Systems Depts. of Biochemistry, Biophysics Computer Science 3205 McGaugh Hall University of California Irvine, CA 92697-3900 hu...@uci.edumailto:hu...@uci.edu http://bass.bio.uci.edu/~hudel/ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. -- Jim Fairman, Ph D. Post-Doctoral Fellow National Institutes of Health - NIDDK The Buchanan Labhttp://www-mslmb.niddk.nih.gov/buchanan/index.html Lab: 1-301-594-9229 E-mail: fairman@gmail.commailto:fairman@gmail.com james.fair...@nih.govmailto:james.fair...@nih.gov -- Jim Fairman, Ph D. Post-Doctoral Fellow National Institutes of Health - NIDDK The Buchanan Labhttp://www-mslmb.niddk.nih.gov/buchanan/index.html Lab: 1-301-594-9229 E-mail: fairman@gmail.commailto:fairman@gmail.com james.fair...@nih.govmailto:james.fair...@nih.gov Industry and Medicine Applied Crystallography Macromolecular Crystallography Unit ___ Phones : (351-21) 446-9100 Ext. 1669 (351-21) 446-9669 (direct) Fax : (351-21) 441-1277 or 443-3644 email : mat...@itqb.unl.pt http://www.itqb.unl.pt/research/biological-chemistry/industry-and-medicine-applied-crystallography http://www.itqb.unl.pt/labs/macromolecular-crystallography-unit Mailing address : Instituto de Tecnologia Quimica e Biologica Apartado 127 2781-901 OEIRAS Portugal
Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays?
I might be missing something here... The Zalman(s) work fine in Coot Pymol on a Mac (any Mac to be precise, from iBook to MacPro). Just add this to your coot.scm file: (add-key-binding switch to Zalman stereo z (lambda () (set-font-size 3) (set-graphics-window-size 1680 1050) (set-model-fit-refine-dialog-position 1900 0) (set-delete-dialog-position 1700 50) (set-go-to-atom-window-position 1847 67) (set-graphics-window-position 0 0) (set-graphics-window-size 1680 1050) (set-hardware-stereo-angle-factor 1.45) (set-map-line-width 2) (zalman-stereo-mode))) (add-key-binding switch to mono x (lambda () (set-map-line-width 1) (mono-mode))) and this to your Pymol alias in your .bashrc file (if running through X11) alias pymolz='pymol -S -t 6' or rename a newer flavour of Pymol according to the Pymol Wiki and just double click it Jürgen - Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Phone: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-3655 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/http://web.me.com/bosch_lab/ On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Luecke, Hartmut wrote: My apologies if this has been discussed before. Has anyone got this to work? Preferably with a Mac? We would love to hear the configuration. Cheers, Hudel Hartmut Luecke Director, Center for Biomembrane Systems Depts. of Biochemistry, Biophysics Computer Science 3205 McGaugh Hall University of California Irvine, CA 92697-3900 hu...@uci.edumailto:hu...@uci.edu http://bass.bio.uci.edu/~hudel/ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission.
Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays?
Zalman uses passive LCD stereo, however. From the thread of this discussion, it appears that active LCD stereo (using a 120Hz monitor, NVidia graphics card etc.) will not work on a Mac? Has anyone had a successful experience using active LCD stereo on a Mac? Padmaja On Jan 24, 2011, at 10:30 AM, Bosch, Juergen wrote: I might be missing something here... The Zalman(s) work fine in Coot Pymol on a Mac (any Mac to be precise, from iBook to MacPro). Just add this to your coot.scm file: (add-key-binding switch to Zalman stereo z (lambda () (set-font-size 3) (set-graphics-window-size 1680 1050) (set-model-fit-refine-dialog-position 1900 0) (set-delete-dialog-position 1700 50) (set-go-to-atom-window-position 1847 67) (set-graphics-window-position 0 0) (set-graphics-window-size 1680 1050) (set-hardware-stereo-angle-factor 1.45) (set-map-line-width 2) (zalman-stereo-mode))) (add-key-binding switch to mono x (lambda () (set-map-line-width 1) (mono-mode))) and this to your Pymol alias in your .bashrc file (if running through X11) alias pymolz='pymol -S -t 6' or rename a newer flavour of Pymol according to the Pymol Wiki and just double click it Jürgen - Jürgen Bosch Johns Hopkins Bloomberg School of Public Health Department of Biochemistry Molecular Biology Johns Hopkins Malaria Research Institute 615 North Wolfe Street, W8708 Baltimore, MD 21205 Phone: +1-410-614-4742 Lab: +1-410-614-4894 Fax: +1-410-955-3655 http://web.mac.com/bosch_lab/ On Jan 24, 2011, at 12:56 AM, Luecke, Hartmut wrote: My apologies if this has been discussed before. Has anyone got this to work? Preferably with a Mac? We would love to hear the configuration. Cheers, Hudel Hartmut Luecke Director, Center for Biomembrane Systems Depts. of Biochemistry, Biophysics Computer Science 3205 McGaugh Hall University of California Irvine, CA 92697-3900 hu...@uci.edu http://bass.bio.uci.edu/~hudel/ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission.
[ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays?
My apologies if this has been discussed before. Has anyone got this to work? Preferably with a Mac? We would love to hear the configuration. Cheers, Hudel Hartmut Luecke Director, Center for Biomembrane Systems Depts. of Biochemistry, Biophysics Computer Science 3205 McGaugh Hall University of California Irvine, CA 92697-3900 hu...@uci.edu http://bass.bio.uci.edu/~hudel/ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission.
Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays?
Stereoscopic 3D driven by OpenGL via an Nvidia Quadro FX card is only available on Linux and Windows. You'll have to beg the Nvidia gods for drivers for Mac. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Luecke, Hartmut hu...@uci.edu wrote: My apologies if this has been discussed before. Has anyone got this to work? Preferably with a Mac? We would love to hear the configuration. Cheers, Hudel Hartmut Luecke Director, Center for Biomembrane Systems Depts. of Biochemistry, Biophysics Computer Science 3205 McGaugh Hall University of California Irvine, CA 92697-3900 hu...@uci.edu http://bass.bio.uci.edu/~hudel/ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. -- Jim Fairman, Ph D. Post-Doctoral Fellow National Institutes of Health - NIDDK The Buchanan Lab http://www-mslmb.niddk.nih.gov/buchanan/index.html Lab: 1-301-594-9229 E-mail: fairman@gmail.com james.fair...@nih.gov
Re: [ccp4bb] Full-screen stereo with Coot/PyMol/etc on 3D LCD displays?
Forgot to mention that this is only for the newer 120 Hz LCDs using the Nvidia 3D Vision system. You'll have to stick with your CRT for now or switch to Linux/Win for the newer hardware. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 1:10 AM, Jim Fairman fairman@gmail.com wrote: Stereoscopic 3D driven by OpenGL via an Nvidia Quadro FX card is only available on Linux and Windows. You'll have to beg the Nvidia gods for drivers for Mac. On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 12:56 AM, Luecke, Hartmut hu...@uci.edu wrote: My apologies if this has been discussed before. Has anyone got this to work? Preferably with a Mac? We would love to hear the configuration. Cheers, Hudel Hartmut Luecke Director, Center for Biomembrane Systems Depts. of Biochemistry, Biophysics Computer Science 3205 McGaugh Hall University of California Irvine, CA 92697-3900 hu...@uci.edu http://bass.bio.uci.edu/~hudel/ This message contains confidential information and is intended only for the individual named. If you are not the named addressee you should not disseminate, distribute or copy this e-mail. Please notify the sender immediately by e-mail if you have received this e-mail by mistake and delete this e-mail from your system. E-mail transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error-free as information could be intercepted, corrupted, lost, destroyed, arrive late or incomplete, or contain viruses. The sender therefore does not accept liability for any errors or omissions in the contents of this message, which arise as a result of e-mail transmission. -- Jim Fairman, Ph D. Post-Doctoral Fellow National Institutes of Health - NIDDK The Buchanan Lab http://www-mslmb.niddk.nih.gov/buchanan/index.html Lab: 1-301-594-9229 E-mail: fairman@gmail.com james.fair...@nih.gov -- Jim Fairman, Ph D. Post-Doctoral Fellow National Institutes of Health - NIDDK The Buchanan Lab http://www-mslmb.niddk.nih.gov/buchanan/index.html Lab: 1-301-594-9229 E-mail: fairman@gmail.com james.fair...@nih.gov
