Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand chirality error
Do remember you can assign chirality as both.. This can be useful as otherwise the refinement programs force the requested chirality and espec at low resolution it can be hard to see any indication of error.. .. Eleanor On 01/27/2012 09:06 AM, herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: Dear Debajyoti, The way I check the chirality is to compare the fitted compound with the structural formula. In coot, I rotate the ligand such that it has the same orientation as in the formula and check that the "out of plane" group goes in the right direction. However, it happens quite often that the chirality of the bound compound is not the chirality the chemist thinks it has, or the chirality is not known. In that case, I refine both enantiomers and look which one fits best. Things to look for are distorted bond angles, poor fitting and small positive and negative blobs of difference density (green and red blobs in coot with default settings). To change the chirality, you have to edit the cif dictionary which contains the description of your compound. In the dictionaries I use you have to change the _chem_comp_chir.volume.sign from positiv to negativ or vice versa. Good luck! Herman From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Debajyoti Dutta Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:25 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Ligand chirality error Hi all, How to check the presence of improper chirality of a fitted ligand. Is there any way to get rid of such error. All suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance. sincerely Debajyoti <http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/ signatureline.htm@Middle?> Follow Rediff Deal ho jaye! <http://track.rediff.com/click?url=___http://dealhojaye.rediff.com?sc_ci d=rediffmailsignature___&cmp=signature&lnk=rediffmailsignature&newservic e=deals> to get exciting offers in your city everyday.
Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand chirality error
On 27/01/12 09:45, herman.schreu...@sanofi.com wrote: Does this also update the cif dictionary, or stays the change inside coot? It stays within Coot. It does not update the cif dictionary - IMHO, that would be a Bad Thing - maybe you are just experimenting. It creates new set of restraints under a new name (comp-id) and renames the residue accordingly [1]. You can write out the new restraints: Edit -> Restraints -> Save as mmCIF... Paul. [1] Incidentally, some of us developers would like wwPDB to reserve a set of comp-ids so that we can do this safely without bumping into comp-ids for which a dictionary already exists.
Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand chirality error
Hi Paul, Does this also update the cif dictionary, or stays the change inside coot? Best, Herman -Original Message- From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Paul Emsley Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 10:28 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand chirality error On 27/01/12 07:25, Debajyoti Dutta wrote: > > > > How to check the presence of improper chirality of a fitted ligand. With Coot, Validate -> Incorrect Chiral Volumes > Is there any way to get rid of such error. Extensions -> Modelling -> Invert this Chiral Centre. Paul.
Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand chirality error
On 27/01/12 07:25, Debajyoti Dutta wrote: How to check the presence of improper chirality of a fitted ligand. With Coot, Validate -> Incorrect Chiral Volumes Is there any way to get rid of such error. Extensions -> Modelling -> Invert this Chiral Centre. Paul.
Re: [ccp4bb] Ligand chirality error
Dear Debajyoti, The way I check the chirality is to compare the fitted compound with the structural formula. In coot, I rotate the ligand such that it has the same orientation as in the formula and check that the "out of plane" group goes in the right direction. However, it happens quite often that the chirality of the bound compound is not the chirality the chemist thinks it has, or the chirality is not known. In that case, I refine both enantiomers and look which one fits best. Things to look for are distorted bond angles, poor fitting and small positive and negative blobs of difference density (green and red blobs in coot with default settings). To change the chirality, you have to edit the cif dictionary which contains the description of your compound. In the dictionaries I use you have to change the _chem_comp_chir.volume.sign from positiv to negativ or vice versa. Good luck! Herman From: CCP4 bulletin board [mailto:CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK] On Behalf Of Debajyoti Dutta Sent: Friday, January 27, 2012 8:25 AM To: CCP4BB@JISCMAIL.AC.UK Subject: [ccp4bb] Ligand chirality error Hi all, How to check the presence of improper chirality of a fitted ligand. Is there any way to get rid of such error. All suggestions are welcome. Thanks in advance. sincerely Debajyoti <http://sigads.rediff.com/RealMedia/ads/click_nx.ads/www.rediffmail.com/ signatureline.htm@Middle?> Follow Rediff Deal ho jaye! <http://track.rediff.com/click?url=___http://dealhojaye.rediff.com?sc_ci d=rediffmailsignature___&cmp=signature&lnk=rediffmailsignature&newservic e=deals> to get exciting offers in your city everyday.
