Re: [ccp4bb] pseudotranslation issues

2013-07-05 Thread Eleanor Dodson
With that translational vector the data set is approximately I centred.
If you integrate it in I centred lattice then you must consider space
groups I 4 or I41.

In point P4 you might need to consider SGs P4, P41, P42, P43
Eleanor


On 1 July 2013 11:19, rajakumara eerappa reera...@gmail.com wrote:

 Dear Fulvio Saccoccia

 As you suspected it might be I4 instead of P4.

 Since fractional coordinates are (0.5, 0.5, 0.479) and, 0.479 is almost
 0.5.

 Try to integrate and scale in I4 and see how chi-square behaves.

 Raj




 On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Fulvio Saccoccia 
 fulvio.saccoc...@uniroma1.it wrote:

 Dear ccp4bb users,
 I have a data set collected at 2.2A resolution that I can integrate
 in P4. Aimless, Phaser and Xtriage recognized a pseudotranslation  (34.6%
 of origin peak) at fractional coordinates 0.500 0.500 0.479  (ORTH   46.7
 46.7   37.4). However labelit.index run with sublattice_allow=true search
 did not detect the pseudotranslation vector. So far, any attempts to phase
 by molecular replacement was unsuccesfull and I suspect that it could be
 due to incorrect assignement of space group:

 Now, some questions arise:
 1) does the pseudo translation exist or do not?
 2) if translational NCS is present, could it mimic a P41/P42/P43 space
 group?
 3) in any case, any advices in order to properly deal with tNCS will be
 of great help?

 I thank you in advance
 Best wishes

 --
 Fulvio Saccoccia, PhD
 Sapienza University of Rome
 Dept. of Biochemical Sciences A. Rossi Fanelli
 Piazzale Aldo Moro, 5
 00185 Rome (Italy)





Re: [ccp4bb] pseudotranslation issues

2013-07-01 Thread rajakumara eerappa
Dear Fulvio Saccoccia

As you suspected it might be I4 instead of P4.

Since fractional coordinates are (0.5, 0.5, 0.479) and, 0.479 is almost 0.5.

Try to integrate and scale in I4 and see how chi-square behaves.

Raj




On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 11:17 AM, Fulvio Saccoccia 
fulvio.saccoc...@uniroma1.it wrote:

 Dear ccp4bb users,
 I have a data set collected at 2.2A resolution that I can integrate in
 P4. Aimless, Phaser and Xtriage recognized a pseudotranslation  (34.6% of
 origin peak) at fractional coordinates 0.500 0.500 0.479  (ORTH   46.7
 46.7   37.4). However labelit.index run with sublattice_allow=true search
 did not detect the pseudotranslation vector. So far, any attempts to phase
 by molecular replacement was unsuccesfull and I suspect that it could be
 due to incorrect assignement of space group:

 Now, some questions arise:
 1) does the pseudo translation exist or do not?
 2) if translational NCS is present, could it mimic a P41/P42/P43 space
 group?
 3) in any case, any advices in order to properly deal with tNCS will be of
 great help?

 I thank you in advance
 Best wishes

 --
 Fulvio Saccoccia, PhD
 Sapienza University of Rome
 Dept. of Biochemical Sciences A. Rossi Fanelli
 Piazzale Aldo Moro, 5
 00185 Rome (Italy)



[ccp4bb] pseudotranslation issues

2013-06-07 Thread Fulvio Saccoccia

Dear ccp4bb users,
I have a data set collected at 2.2A resolution that I can integrate 
in P4. Aimless, Phaser and Xtriage recognized a pseudotranslation  
(34.6% of origin peak) at fractional coordinates 0.500 0.500 0.479  
(ORTH   46.7   46.7   37.4). However labelit.index run with 
sublattice_allow=true search did not detect the pseudotranslation 
vector. So far, any attempts to phase by molecular replacement was 
unsuccesfull and I suspect that it could be due to incorrect assignement 
of space group:


Now, some questions arise:
1) does the pseudo translation exist or do not?
2) if translational NCS is present, could it mimic a P41/P42/P43 space 
group?
3) in any case, any advices in order to properly deal with tNCS will be 
of great help?


I thank you in advance
Best wishes

--
Fulvio Saccoccia, PhD
Sapienza University of Rome
Dept. of Biochemical Sciences A. Rossi Fanelli
Piazzale Aldo Moro, 5
00185 Rome (Italy)