Re: Floppy recovery
On January 5, 2016 3:30:11 PM CST, Ethan Dicks wrote: >On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >>> Can you enlighten us as to what sort of system/disk format it was? >> >> IIRC, it was several, mostly Japanese. I'd have to go back to my >notes from >> some time back. > >The picture of the one remaining whitebox with the two full-height >floppy drives did remind me of some of the early-to-mid-1980s Japanese >CP/M machines that were all but gone by 1985. > >-ethan so, is it believed that that is a picture of an actual machine involved? because that machine looks EXACTLY like a CP/M machine we built here in MN around 1979 at a company called Multi-Tech Systems (the modem people). It was a clone of a design done by another company called R2E which I seem to remember being French. The system initially used Micropolis 77 track, 100 TPI drives and a Micropolis controller design that was also used in Vector Graphic machines. Toward the end of that product's life at Multi-Tech, it had been upgraded to a GCR controller, with the same drives, and that controller had more horsepower than the host machine it plugged into :-). Machine was called MT-500 and was 64K Z80 at 4 MHz with (4) S-100 slots on the single board. Video was 8275 CRT controller and the tubes were usually amber. I still have one of these machines but without the ~40 lb cabinet it was usually built in. Sure looks similar to me. -- Chris Elmquist
Re: Floppy recovery
>> On 01/05/2016 1:15 PM, Ali wrote: >> Anyone know anything about the custom computer and the custom OS? Nor >> implying anything but Chuck do u have any insights? ;) > Didn't Scotty leave his laptop behind when they were saving the whales? "Hello, computer!"
Re: Floppy recovery
On 01/05/2016 1:15 PM, Ali wrote: Anyone know anything about the custom computer and the custom OS? Nor implying anything but Chuck do u have any insights? ;) Didn't Scotty leave his laptop behind when they were saving the whales? John ;-#)#
Re: Floppy recovery
On 01/05/2016 03:00 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: NSA has done substantial serious research on that and other recovery. 1) if the alignment of the head of the original recording and of the overwrite head are not a perfect match, then there can be some residual data somewhat off axis. 2) if the data was overwritten once, with a known pattern, then somebody with sufficient resources and motivation can attempt to analyze the noise, and determine "what, overwritten by a 0 could produce the noise that we have here." Accordingly, there are guvmint standards of MULTIPLE patterns to overwrite with to render such extreme techniques unusable. However, I will heartily agree that recovery ceases to be PRACTICAL. I recall reading (back in the 90s, that various labs were fooling with this wrt hard disks of the timeand that any success was extremely small potatoes. i.e. maybe a kilobit per hour and not 100% by any means. We have easier ways now, thanks to the Patriot Act. More personal. When folks would ask me how to completely erase a hard disk, I suggested that bashing it to junk using a good sledge hammer or running it through a log chipper then burning the pieces was a good start. On the other hand, simply shredding floppies isn't good enough. There was an old "The New Explorers" program on putting floppies back together and getting data. I know the people who did it--in one of the shots in the background, you can see Anadisk running. I suggest letting floppies soak for a week in a barrel of diesel, then setting fire to them should do the trick. The old maxim of "you don't know what you've got 'til it's gone" applies to data recovery as well. --Chuck
Re: Floppy recovery --> Harlan Ellison
On 1/5/2016 2:03 PM, Jason Scott wrote: I threw it to 50-50 when I weighed in the possibility that he might find an organization willing to pay him something ridiculous to have the archive posthumously. If that doesn't happen, yeah, 90-10. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Rich Alderson < ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org> wrote: From: Jason Scott Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 1:53 PM meone who's dealt with Harlan Ellison on multiple fronts. I will tell you the chances he will burn those drawers is 50-50. Though I've never met him, I have friends who have worked for him. We would put it at 90-10. Rich Rich Alderson I thought about him in the last few years as such as what has happened with Heinlein and the like being an example of not having your wishes followed. He was certainly in fine form when he came to UCI so many years ago, and I recall vaguely that he was not going to leave anything of that behind. I'd hope that as remarkable as his works have been that he does reconsider any decision to destroy the material. I probably won't be around long enough to see anything meaningful come out of anyone trying to make sense of things, but he is definitely someone who puts out things that get your thought processes going. And a 2 hour + lecture was good enough I still recall it these many years later. It was really exciting to have read the things that I had before that time. I only wish I'd have know of more of the Star Trek and other stuff that was and had recently happened near the time of the lecture to have brought that up. I do know there were people who had followed him there that he put off discussing things with, and I suspect that was what they wanted to bring up. thanks jim
Re: Floppy recovery
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016, et...@757.org wrote: If a disk has all zeros written to it, as far as I know from what I've read there is no hope of recovering the data. There were rumors that the government could do it based on really fine detection of magnetic levels or something -- but it was rumor. There are bounties out there if anyone can pull it off. I will heartily agree that recovery ceases to be PRACTICAL. NSA has done substantial serious research on that and other recovery. 1) if the alignment of the head of the original recording and of the overwrite head are not a perfect match, then there can be some residual data somewhat off axis. 2) if the data was overwritten once, with a known pattern, then somebody with sufficient resources and motivation can attempt to analyze the noise, and determine "what, overwritten by a 0 could produce the noise that we have here." Accordingly, there are guvmint standards of MULTIPLE patterns to overwrite with to render such extreme techniques unusable. However, I will heartily agree that recovery ceases to be PRACTICAL. I understand data can be recovered when the file entry is removed from an allocation table but data has not been zereod/randomly written over. truly trivial. tl;dr: single pass is fine -- no need to triple pass erase. THAT depends on who is after you. I don't do anything interesting enough to warrant using a simplistic trivial UNERASE utility. (Which is what launched Norton fUtilities) NSA is not interested in what I am doing.
RE: Free HP 3000 Equipment for removal (Denver Craigslist)
I'm on it... Marc -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Glen Slick Sent: Monday, January 04, 2016 8:38 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Free HP 3000 Equipment for removal (Denver Craigslist) Someone go get this. posted: 2016-01-04 12:20pm http://denver.craigslist.org/sys/5387506164.html I have the following HP 3000 computer equipment in my basement yours FREE for removal QTY Description - -- 2 HP 3000 series 30 Computers 4 HP 7925 disk drives 1 HP 2608A line printer 1 HP 7970E tape drive 2 HP 3000 Console Terminals 3 HP 2645A terminals 2 HP 2631A terminal printers The picture shown is of 3 disk drives and the Tape drive when new (1980). This equipment has been mostly idle for 20+ years. The first 4 line items of equipment above are relatively large and would require at least 2 men to remove each item from my basement.
Re: Floppy recovery
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Rich Alderson wrote: > From: Jason Scott > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 1:53 PM >> As someone who's dealt with Harlan Ellison on multiple fronts. I will tell >> you the chances he will burn those drawers is 50-50. > > Though I've never met him, I have friends who have worked for him. We would > put it at 90-10. >From what I've heard, that's far more likely. -ethan
Re: Floppy recovery
>et...@757.org wrote: If a disk has all zeros written to it, as far as I know from what I've read there is no hope of recovering the data. There were rumors that the government could do it based on really fine detection of magnetic levels or something -- but it was rumor. There are bounties out there if anyone can pull it off. I understand data can be recovered when the file entry is removed from an allocation table but data has not been zereod/randomly written over. tl;dr: single pass is fine -- no need to triple pass erase. Since this thread has been focused on Floppy media, my assumption is that writing all zeros does not refer to a hard disk drive. Is my assumption incorrect? I have a (exactly!!) one GB file with all zeros (obviously not a floppy) on my hard drive. If I fill the remaining storage with copies of this file, does that eliminate recovery from that portion of the hard drive? And since I have two physical hard drives, copying from a one GB file from one physical drive to the other physical drive usually takes only about one minute, so it would be quite an efficient method to destroy any old data. Jerome Fine
Re: Floppy recovery
I threw it to 50-50 when I weighed in the possibility that he might find an organization willing to pay him something ridiculous to have the archive posthumously. If that doesn't happen, yeah, 90-10. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:58 PM, Rich Alderson < ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org> wrote: > From: Jason Scott > Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 1:53 PM > > > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:27 PM, jwsmobile > wrote: > > >> On a tangent, from a lecture 35 years ago by Harlan Ellison, I hope all > of > >> his papers are preserved and transcribed. He had about 15 4 drawer > >> cabinets of work notes at that time, probably double or triple that > now. I > >> think at the time he worked manually as well. > > > As someone who's dealt with Harlan Ellison on multiple fronts. I will > tell > > you the chances he will burn those drawers is 50-50. > > Though I've never met him, I have friends who have worked for him. We > would > put it at 90-10. > > Rich > > > Rich Alderson > Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer > Living Computer Museum > 2245 1st Avenue S > Seattle, WA 98134 > > mailto:ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org > > http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/ >
RE: Floppy recovery
From: Jason Scott Sent: Tuesday, January 05, 2016 1:53 PM > On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:27 PM, jwsmobile > wrote: >> On a tangent, from a lecture 35 years ago by Harlan Ellison, I hope all of >> his papers are preserved and transcribed. He had about 15 4 drawer >> cabinets of work notes at that time, probably double or triple that now. I >> think at the time he worked manually as well. > As someone who's dealt with Harlan Ellison on multiple fronts. I will tell > you the chances he will burn those drawers is 50-50. Though I've never met him, I have friends who have worked for him. We would put it at 90-10. Rich Rich Alderson Vintage Computing Sr. Systems Engineer Living Computer Museum 2245 1st Avenue S Seattle, WA 98134 mailto:ri...@livingcomputermuseum.org http://www.LivingComputerMuseum.org/
Re: Floppy recovery
of hundreds of drives (cloud), SSD, Smart Phones, etc. This includes those that have been purposely or accidentally erased and/or physically damaged. If a disk has all zeros written to it, as far as I know from what I've read there is no hope of recovering the data. There were rumors that the government could do it based on really fine detection of magnetic levels or something -- but it was rumor. There are bounties out there if anyone can pull it off. I understand data can be recovered when the file entry is removed from an allocation table but data has not been zereod/randomly written over. tl;dr: single pass is fine -- no need to triple pass erase.
Re: Floppy recovery
As someone who's dealt with Harlan Ellison on multiple fronts. I will tell you the chances he will burn those drawers is 50-50. On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 3:27 PM, jwsmobile wrote: > > I wonder how it could take them three months to figure something out. > Maybe Chuck can comment. > > But over a year after they spent the 3 months. Hmmm. It will be > interesting to hear what was recovered, though from what has been written > and passed down about Roddenberry, I'm not expecting much. > > On a tangent, from a lecture 35 years ago by Harlan Ellison, I hope all of > his papers are preserved and transcribed. He had about 15 4 drawer > cabinets of work notes at that time, probably double or triple that now. I > think at the time he worked manually as well. > > https://www.yahoo.com/tech/floppy-disks-star-trek-creator-182855583.html > > Thanks > Jim >
Re: Floppy recovery
On 01/05/2016 12:56 PM, Terry Stewart wrote: Yes, I would have thought an old MSDOS machine with a 360k 5.25 inch floppy drive plus Chuck's 22DISK program and the job could have been done in a day? Might be more too it than it seems maybe... I won't comment much other than to say that Mr. Roddenberry was apparently a laptop/portable aficionado, so some of the floppy formats had never crossed my desk before. I did do DS a favor by recovering erased data as well. In addition to the usual fees, we received a nice box of chocolate, which was welcome. I'm too old to care about credit. The Roddenberry people had, years before, purchased 22Disk from us as well, so they might have been able to do the work themselves. --Chuck
Re: Floppy recovery
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:27 PM, Chuck Guzis wrote: >> Can you enlighten us as to what sort of system/disk format it was? > > IIRC, it was several, mostly Japanese. I'd have to go back to my notes from > some time back. The picture of the one remaining whitebox with the two full-height floppy drives did remind me of some of the early-to-mid-1980s Japanese CP/M machines that were all but gone by 1985. -ethan
Re: Floppy recovery
On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 4:24 PM, Lyle Bickley wrote: > I'm somewhat familiar with the Roddenberry floppies. They were not in a > standard format - so it was not just a matter of reading the floppies, > but developing software to read the specially formatted and encoded > floppies (understanding directories, files, etc.) and converting them > to files in a format their client could use. Since the article in PC world mentioned that most of the floppies were "in CP/M format", and I know there are many possible ways to make flux transitions on spinning rust, I totally get that it can take some time to figure out where the actual bits are on the medium, but once you have the data portion of the sectors on a modern machine, CP/M wasn't all that complicated, and IIRC, files were on sequential blocks once they started (not scattered about such as with most modern filesystems), knowing that you were starting with something based on CP/M, what was so obscure that it took months to untangle that part? -ethan
Re: Floppy recovery
On 01/05/2016 01:21 PM, Fred Cisin wrote: On Tue, 5 Jan 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Guess who Drivesavers sent the floppy images to for recovery? (Modesty forbids). But we've had a working relationship with them for a long time. Can you enlighten us as to what sort of system/disk format it was? IIRC, it was several, mostly Japanese. I'd have to go back to my notes from some time back. --Chuck
Re: Floppy recovery
Attempting to read floppies with the wrong kind of drive can also cause damage. Back in the day, people were all aflutter about drive rings and how having them or not having them caused damage when they read the floppy in a 'foreign' setting. There were rumors about head clearance and such also being an issue when newer drives were used to read older floppies, but I never could find someone that was actually affected by it. Warner On Tue, Jan 5, 2016 at 2:07 PM, Terry Stewart wrote: > >200 disks, especially if they weren't in great shape, can take some time. > I assume they wanted full data recovery using all possible means, > >plus conversion of all the documents to a modern format. > > With one-of-a-kind stuff, you don't have the luxury of experimenting and > playing around with it. You have to make sure you aren't > >destroying them further while trying to read them- sometimes you only get > one chance and the mylar coating comes right off. After that, it's over. > > Fair point. Thinking further on it, it would be a softly, softly approach. > > Terry (Tez) > > On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 10:03 AM, peter wrote: > > > On 2016-01-05 15:56, Terry Stewart wrote: > > > >> I wonder how it could take them three months to figure something out. > >>> > >> Maybe Chuck can comment. > >> > >> Yes, I would have thought an old MSDOS machine with a 360k 5.25 inch > >> floppy > >> drive plus Chuck's 22DISK program and the job could have been done in a > >> day? Might be more too it than it seems maybe... > >> > >> Terry (Tez) > >> > > > > 200 disks, especially if they weren't in great shape, can take some time. > > I assume they wanted full data recovery using all possible means, plus > > conversion of all the documents to a modern format. > > > > With one-of-a-kind stuff, you don't have the luxury of experimenting and > > playing around with it. You have to make sure you aren't destroying them > > further while trying to read them- sometimes you only get one chance and > > the mylar coating comes right off. After that, it's over. > > > > -- > > -- > > Pete Rittwage > > Disk Preservation Project > > http://diskpreservation.com > > > > >
Re: Floppy recovery
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016 12:27:31 -0800 jwsmobile wrote: > I wonder how it could take them three months to figure something out. > Maybe Chuck can comment. > > But over a year after they spent the 3 months. Hmmm. It will be > interesting to hear what was recovered, though from what has been > written and passed down about Roddenberry, I'm not expecting much. > > On a tangent, from a lecture 35 years ago by Harlan Ellison, I hope all > of his papers are preserved and transcribed. He had about 15 4 drawer > cabinets of work notes at that time, probably double or triple that > now. I think at the time he worked manually as well. > > https://www.yahoo.com/tech/floppy-disks-star-trek-creator-182855583.html I'm very familiar with DriveSavers. They are a professional forensically qualified firm (you can review all their certifications on their website). Many three letter government agencies, law firms and Hollywood studios, etc. use them to forensically retrieve information from FDD, HDD, Arrays of hundreds of drives (cloud), SSD, Smart Phones, etc. This includes those that have been purposely or accidentally erased and/or physically damaged. I have visited their facilities in Novato, California - and they are truly amazing. I've seldom seen such a capable, quality operation. I'm somewhat familiar with the Roddenberry floppies. They were not in a standard format - so it was not just a matter of reading the floppies, but developing software to read the specially formatted and encoded floppies (understanding directories, files, etc.) and converting them to files in a format their client could use. Cheers, Lyle -- 73 AF6WS Bickley Consulting West Inc. http://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
Re: Floppy recovery
On 2016-01-05 15:56, Terry Stewart wrote: I wonder how it could take them three months to figure something out. Maybe Chuck can comment. Yes, I would have thought an old MSDOS machine with a 360k 5.25 inch floppy drive plus Chuck's 22DISK program and the job could have been done in a day? Might be more too it than it seems maybe... Terry (Tez) 200 disks, especially if they weren't in great shape, can take some time. I assume they wanted full data recovery using all possible means, plus conversion of all the documents to a modern format. With one-of-a-kind stuff, you don't have the luxury of experimenting and playing around with it. You have to make sure you aren't destroying them further while trying to read them- sometimes you only get one chance and the mylar coating comes right off. After that, it's over. -- -- Pete Rittwage Disk Preservation Project http://diskpreservation.com
Re: Floppy recovery
On Tue, 5 Jan 2016, Chuck Guzis wrote: Guess who Drivesavers sent the floppy images to for recovery? (Modesty forbids). But we've had a working relationship with them for a long time. Can you enlighten us as to what sort of system/disk format it was?
RE: Floppy recovery
Anyone know anything about the custom computer and the custom OS? Nor implying anything but Chuck do u have any insights? ;) Original message From: jwsmobile Date: 1/5/2016 12:27 PM (GMT-08:00) To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Subject: Floppy recovery I wonder how it could take them three months to figure something out. Maybe Chuck can comment. But over a year after they spent the 3 months. Hmmm. It will be interesting to hear what was recovered, though from what has been written and passed down about Roddenberry, I'm not expecting much. On a tangent, from a lecture 35 years ago by Harlan Ellison, I hope all of his papers are preserved and transcribed. He had about 15 4 drawer cabinets of work notes at that time, probably double or triple that now. I think at the time he worked manually as well. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/floppy-disks-star-trek-creator-182855583.html Thanks Jim
Re: Floppy recovery
>200 disks, especially if they weren't in great shape, can take some time. I assume they wanted full data recovery using all possible means, >plus conversion of all the documents to a modern format. With one-of-a-kind stuff, you don't have the luxury of experimenting and playing around with it. You have to make sure you aren't >destroying them further while trying to read them- sometimes you only get one chance and the mylar coating comes right off. After that, it's over. Fair point. Thinking further on it, it would be a softly, softly approach. Terry (Tez) On Wed, Jan 6, 2016 at 10:03 AM, peter wrote: > On 2016-01-05 15:56, Terry Stewart wrote: > >> I wonder how it could take them three months to figure something out. >>> >> Maybe Chuck can comment. >> >> Yes, I would have thought an old MSDOS machine with a 360k 5.25 inch >> floppy >> drive plus Chuck's 22DISK program and the job could have been done in a >> day? Might be more too it than it seems maybe... >> >> Terry (Tez) >> > > 200 disks, especially if they weren't in great shape, can take some time. > I assume they wanted full data recovery using all possible means, plus > conversion of all the documents to a modern format. > > With one-of-a-kind stuff, you don't have the luxury of experimenting and > playing around with it. You have to make sure you aren't destroying them > further while trying to read them- sometimes you only get one chance and > the mylar coating comes right off. After that, it's over. > > -- > -- > Pete Rittwage > Disk Preservation Project > http://diskpreservation.com > >
Re: Floppy recovery
On 01/05/2016 12:27 PM, jwsmobile wrote: I wonder how it could take them three months to figure something out. Maybe Chuck can comment. But over a year after they spent the 3 months. Hmmm. It will be interesting to hear what was recovered, though from what has been written and passed down about Roddenberry, I'm not expecting much. On a tangent, from a lecture 35 years ago by Harlan Ellison, I hope all of his papers are preserved and transcribed. He had about 15 4 drawer cabinets of work notes at that time, probably double or triple that now. I think at the time he worked manually as well. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/floppy-disks-star-trek-creator-182855583.html Guess who Drivesavers sent the floppy images to for recovery? (Modesty forbids). But we've had a working relationship with them for a long time. --Chuck
Re: Floppy recovery
>I wonder how it could take them three months to figure something out. Maybe Chuck can comment. Yes, I would have thought an old MSDOS machine with a 360k 5.25 inch floppy drive plus Chuck's 22DISK program and the job could have been done in a day? Might be more too it than it seems maybe... Terry (Tez)
Floppy recovery
I wonder how it could take them three months to figure something out. Maybe Chuck can comment. But over a year after they spent the 3 months. Hmmm. It will be interesting to hear what was recovered, though from what has been written and passed down about Roddenberry, I'm not expecting much. On a tangent, from a lecture 35 years ago by Harlan Ellison, I hope all of his papers are preserved and transcribed. He had about 15 4 drawer cabinets of work notes at that time, probably double or triple that now. I think at the time he worked manually as well. https://www.yahoo.com/tech/floppy-disks-star-trek-creator-182855583.html Thanks Jim
Gene Roddenberry's floppy disks from the 1980s read
http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2016/01/files-on-nearly-200-floppy-disks-belonging-to-star-trek-creator-recovered/
RE: Free HP 3000 Equipment for removal (Denver Craigslist)
I know the feeling. -Rik -Oorspronkelijk bericht- Van: "Johannes Thelen" Verzonden: 5-1-2016 19:03 Aan: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" Onderwerp: RE: Free HP 3000 Equipment for removal (Denver Craigslist) Oh, I really like to get one Series 30 next to my Series III, but I'm wrong side of ocean and I have too much stuff/projects already (if you ask my girlfriend... ;) It is funny how much this old stuff is still in this globe. I hope those 30s find good homes. - Johannes ThelenFinland Before microcomputers blog (Finnish) http://ennenmikrotietokoneita.blogspot.fi/ > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 20:38:17 -0800 > Subject: Free HP 3000 Equipment for removal (Denver Craigslist) > From: glen.sl...@gmail.com > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > > Someone go get this. > > posted: 2016-01-04 12:20pm > > http://denver.craigslist.org/sys/5387506164.html > > I have the following HP 3000 computer equipment in my basement yours > FREE for removal > > QTY Description > - -- > 2 HP 3000 series 30 Computers > 4 HP 7925 disk drives > 1 HP 2608A line printer > 1 HP 7970E tape drive > 2 HP 3000 Console Terminals > 3 HP 2645A terminals > 2 HP 2631A terminal printers > > The picture shown is of 3 disk drives and the Tape drive when new > (1980). This equipment has been mostly idle for 20+ years. The first 4 > line items of equipment above are relatively large and would require > at least 2 men to remove each item from my basement.
RE: Free HP 3000 Equipment for removal (Denver Craigslist)
Oh, I really like to get one Series 30 next to my Series III, but I'm wrong side of ocean and I have too much stuff/projects already (if you ask my girlfriend... ;) It is funny how much this old stuff is still in this globe. I hope those 30s find good homes. - Johannes ThelenFinland Before microcomputers blog (Finnish) http://ennenmikrotietokoneita.blogspot.fi/ > Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2016 20:38:17 -0800 > Subject: Free HP 3000 Equipment for removal (Denver Craigslist) > From: glen.sl...@gmail.com > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org > > Someone go get this. > > posted: 2016-01-04 12:20pm > > http://denver.craigslist.org/sys/5387506164.html > > I have the following HP 3000 computer equipment in my basement yours > FREE for removal > > QTY Description > - -- > 2 HP 3000 series 30 Computers > 4 HP 7925 disk drives > 1 HP 2608A line printer > 1 HP 7970E tape drive > 2 HP 3000 Console Terminals > 3 HP 2645A terminals > 2 HP 2631A terminal printers > > The picture shown is of 3 disk drives and the Tape drive when new > (1980). This equipment has been mostly idle for 20+ years. The first 4 > line items of equipment above are relatively large and would require > at least 2 men to remove each item from my basement.
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Re: Free HP 3000 Equipment for removal (Denver Craigslist)
THis looks like a very nice system. Note this is the 16-bit stack architecture hardware part of the 3000 family. Not the 32-bit PA-RISC incarnation. Which makes it that much more appealing. However, the Series 30 is s-l-o-w. No mention of software, not sure if the Series 30 can run MPE-V, maybe only MPE-IV and earlier? Also does not mention if the disc drives have packs, I suspect they do. Also the 7925s are 125MB each with removable packs. Lee Courtney On Mon, Jan 4, 2016 at 8:38 PM, Glen Slick wrote: > Someone go get this. > > posted: 2016-01-04 12:20pm > > http://denver.craigslist.org/sys/5387506164.html > > I have the following HP 3000 computer equipment in my basement yours > FREE for removal > > QTY Description > - > -- > 2 HP 3000 series 30 Computers > 4 HP 7925 disk drives > 1 HP 2608A line printer > 1 HP 7970E tape drive > 2 HP 3000 Console Terminals > 3 HP 2645A terminals > 2 HP 2631A terminal printers > > The picture shown is of 3 disk drives and the Tape drive when new > (1980). This equipment has been mostly idle for 20+ years. The first 4 > line items of equipment above are relatively large and would require > at least 2 men to remove each item from my basement. > -- Lee Courtney +1-650-704-3934 cell
