Re: Unexpected Apple Lisa display - what is it?

2016-09-28 Thread COURYHOUSE
then I head ho some lisa cases later had  mc boards shoved in  them!?
 
Ed#
 
 
In a message dated 9/28/2016 9:54:55 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
santo.nucif...@gmail.com writes:

I have  this one one of my Lisa's as well.  It's like a start up menu  that
allows you to launch the Finder.  That's all I ever do with  it.  I don't
know what the name is but it may be a part of specific  version of MacWorks
Plus.

Sorry, I don't have any more  info.
Santo

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Paul McJones   wrote:

> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016  09:15:42 + (UTC)
> > From: steven stengel  
> > Message-ID:  <916931269.6067118.1475054142...@mail.yahoo.com>
> >
>  >
> > What is this unusual Apple Lisa display - some sort of  diagnostics?
> >
> >  http://oldcomputers.net/temp/lisa.jpg
>
> I suspect it is a  Macintosh utility (Disk Copy?) Lisas could run 
Macintosh
> software  using something called  MacWorks.
>
>



Re: Unexpected Apple Lisa display - what is it?

2016-09-28 Thread Eric Smith
On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 1:02 PM, Paul McJones  wrote:
> I suspect it is a Macintosh utility (Disk Copy?) Lisas could run Macintosh 
> software using something called MacWorks.

It doesn't look like any version of DiskCopy I've seen, but I think
Paul is right about it being Mac software, since the Lisa OS doesn't
have "Finder".


Re: Unexpected Apple Lisa display - what is it?

2016-09-28 Thread Paul McJones
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:15:42 + (UTC)
> From: steven stengel 
> Message-ID: <916931269.6067118.1475054142...@mail.yahoo.com>
> 
> 
> What is this unusual Apple Lisa display - some sort of diagnostics?
> 
> http://oldcomputers.net/temp/lisa.jpg

I suspect it is a Macintosh utility (Disk Copy?) Lisas could run Macintosh 
software using something called MacWorks.



Is anyone making replacement clear labels for DEC gear?

2016-09-28 Thread Ethan Dicks
Hi, All,

I'm restoring some stuff from the mid 1970s and a recent acquisition
was previously cleaned of mouse damage but needs to be sanded and
repainted by me.  One aspect of it is that some of the labels are
damaged (but some can probably be masked and painted around).  The
level of damage I'm talking about looks a bit like this...

http://fritzm.github.io/images/pdp11/h742-corrosion.jpg

Most of the item intact, but rust and scale to be cleaned, sanded,
primed and painted.  The damage to the label in that pic is
representative.

I have access to all the modern tools, so it's easy to print black on
clear adhesive sheet, but not so much with white.  Before embarking on
spinning up a process, I thought I'd ask if anyone has already done
so.  In particular interest to me is the era from about 1965-1980,
from PDP-8s through PDP-11s and VAX-11 machines, both CPUs and
peripherals.  I would like to get close matches and I already know in
some cases, there just aren't close matches with modern TrueType font
files.  I can, of course, just take photos of the label areas now,
restore the damage, and put on stickers some time in the future, but
doing it all at once has its own appeal

-ethan


Re: Unexpected Apple Lisa display - what is it?

2016-09-28 Thread Adrian Graham
On 28/09/2016 20:02, "Paul McJones"  wrote:

>> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:15:42 + (UTC)
>> From: steven stengel 
>> Message-ID: <916931269.6067118.1475054142...@mail.yahoo.com>
>> 
>> 
>> What is this unusual Apple Lisa display - some sort of diagnostics?
>> 
>> http://oldcomputers.net/temp/lisa.jpg
> 
> I suspect it is a Macintosh utility (Disk Copy?) Lisas could run Macintosh
> software using something called MacWorks.

I'd go with that, the floppies you can see don't look like Lisa OS ones. The
character set is also different to a Lisa2 so it's probably a MacXL with
10mb Widget.

-- 
Adrian/Witchy
Binary Dinosaurs creator/curator
Www.binarydinosaurs.co.uk - the UK's biggest private home computer
collection?




Re: Unexpected Apple Lisa display - what is it?

2016-09-28 Thread Santo Nucifora
I have this one one of my Lisa's as well.  It's like a start up menu that
allows you to launch the Finder.  That's all I ever do with it.  I don't
know what the name is but it may be a part of specific version of MacWorks
Plus.

Sorry, I don't have any more info.
Santo

On Wed, Sep 28, 2016 at 3:02 PM, Paul McJones  wrote:

> > Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:15:42 + (UTC)
> > From: steven stengel 
> > Message-ID: <916931269.6067118.1475054142...@mail.yahoo.com>
> >
> >
> > What is this unusual Apple Lisa display - some sort of diagnostics?
> >
> > http://oldcomputers.net/temp/lisa.jpg
>
> I suspect it is a Macintosh utility (Disk Copy?) Lisas could run Macintosh
> software using something called MacWorks.
>
>


Re: Atari 1400XL for sale...

2016-09-28 Thread COURYHOUSE
We have several Atari in the museum's collection is this really  rare?  I 
will have  to go check which we have...  we were given a bath  of  as new in 
box   cpu, monitors, etc etc... What is a good  reference  site 
for  us to come up to speed on   this  gear?
 
Thanks  Ed#  _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org)  
 
 
In a message dated 9/28/2016 7:00:47 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time,  
et...@757.org writes:

OMG  RARE

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Curt Vendel wrote:

> Date: Wed, 28  Sep 2016 19:55:39 -0400
> From: Curt Vendel  
> Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic  and Off-Topic Posts"
>  
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and  Off-Topic Posts" 

> Subject: Atari 1400XL  for sale...
> 
> I saw one of these go on Ebay recently and I'm  considering sell my 
1400XL. 
> Looking for a respectable amount, so if  you are interested, please don't 
> offer low ball offers. Please  contact me off list to discuss, thank you.
>
>  http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/8bits/xl/1400xl/1400.html
>
>
>  Curt
>
>
>
>

--
Ethan  O'Toole




DEC ALL-IN-1

2016-09-28 Thread Curt Vendel

Hi,


  I had heard many years back that the DOS version of WPS could 
read and open DEC AI1 files.   I was able to get a copy of WPSDOS and 
tried to no avail.   Anyone have any luck opening AI1 files on a PC 
computer in DOS or Windows to get a file to open with all of the proper 
formatting and settings? I can open raw with notepad but much of it 
is buried is formatting code, I'd like to be able to properly open up a 
file with its formatting in tacked.




Thanks,

Curt





Re: Atari 1400XL for sale...

2016-09-28 Thread ethan

OMG RARE

On Wed, 28 Sep 2016, Curt Vendel wrote:


Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 19:55:39 -0400
From: Curt Vendel 
Reply-To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts"

To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" 
Subject: Atari 1400XL for sale...

I saw one of these go on Ebay recently and I'm considering sell my 1400XL. 
Looking for a respectable amount, so if you are interested, please don't 
offer low ball offers. Please contact me off list to discuss, thank you.


http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/8bits/xl/1400xl/1400.html


Curt






--
Ethan O'Toole



Atari 1400XL for sale...

2016-09-28 Thread Curt Vendel
I saw one of these go on Ebay recently and I'm considering sell my 
1400XL.   Looking for a respectable amount, so if you are interested, 
please don't offer low ball offers. Please contact me off list to 
discuss, thank you.


http://www.atarimuseum.com/computers/8bits/xl/1400xl/1400.html


Curt





RE: cctalk Digest, Vol 27, Issue 27

2016-09-28 Thread Smith, Wayne
> Date: Wed, 28 Sep 2016 09:15:42 + (UTC)
> From: steven stengel 
> To: "General Discussion: On-Topic Posts" 
> Subject: Unexpected Apple Lisa display - what is it?
> Message-ID: <916931269.6067118.1475054142...@mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8
> 
> What is this unusual Apple Lisa display - some sort of diagnostics?
> 
> http://oldcomputers.net/temp/lisa.jpg

It's the MiniFinder - part of Macintosh System release 2, I believe.  

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CZan7K4UkAUvZak.jpg



KT11-B Paging Option engineering drawings and 'Technical Manual' online

2016-09-28 Thread Noel Chiappa
So, the KT11-B Paging Option engineering drawings recently made their
appearance online:

  http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/1120/KT11-B_EngrDrws_Feb72.pdf

After a good bit of study of them, I have prepared a 'Technical Manual' for
the KT11-B, somewhat in the flavour of the old DEC technical manuals:

  http://gunkies.org/wiki/KT11-B_Technical_Manual

since the prints, by themselves, are fairly inscrutable: an incredibly large
mass of gates (almost no MSI, other than a couple of Flip Chips included in
the drawings as modules).

The article basically attempts to describe how the thing works internally; it
includes sections which describe the function (i.e. point) and operation of
the circuitry on each page of the prints, and there's also a signal
dictionary which describes what all the major signals mean/do.

It's not quite absolutely complete, but it's 96% there at this point; I am
still working on it. One thing I do intend to add (when I can work it out :-)
is to annotate the table of states with info one what each states _means_.

If anyone is particularly interested in this device, and reads the article, I
would be very grateful for feedback on what's still missing that I could add,
suggestions for better organization, etc, etc.

Noel


Unexpected Apple Lisa display - what is it?

2016-09-28 Thread steven stengel

What is this unusual Apple Lisa display - some sort of diagnostics?

http://oldcomputers.net/temp/lisa.jpg




Re: Y Combinator is restoring one of Alan Kay's Xerox Alto machines

2016-09-28 Thread Liam Proven
On 27 September 2016 at 17:21, Al Kossow  wrote:
> How would you suggest they do that? They have one disk drive.

There is a ton of discussion in here about imaging old media.

There are also disk execisers and the like. It's not big by modern
standards, and it's fairly well-documented; read the contents into RAM
on something more modern, write it back to the other disk?

> This is the perennial problem with the Alto, it expects there is a network
> so you can do things like network copydisk.

I'm sure they'll get to that eventually, no?

> They also need to lubricate the wick on the drive, which I told them to do but
> it isn't clear if they bothered in their excitement. They also need to clean 
> the
> pins on the Winchester connectors on the drive. I ran into this bringing up 
> one
> of my drives on an exerciser yesterday.

Ah. Could that be why disconnecting and reconnecting the cable seems
to have helped, do you think?

> Also, if they have a Lyon optical mouse, they need to come up with a pad, I 
> pointed
> them to a paper Dick wrote that shows the hexagonal pattern in enough detail 
> to draw
> a new one.

Indeed. I have successfully laser-printed a SUN optical mouse pad
before now, IIRC.

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