Re: I hate the new mail system
On 8 March 2017 at 19:46, Pete Turnbull wrote: > Notice that - unlike normal whois servers - this one apparently requires > some other stuff, possibly including the text "whois", as part of the query. > That may explain why a normal whois client gets an error, because the > standard way to make a query is simply to send the string to query (eg, > "uni-stuttgart.de" or "dunnington.cx"): > > $ whois -h whois.denic.de uni-stuttgart.de > % Error: 557 Request not clearly specified > > OK, so back to telnet, and try it with the syntax DENIC claims to want: > > $ telnet whois.denic.de 43 > Trying 81.91.170.6... > Connected to whois.denic.de. > Escape character is '^]'. > -T dn uni-stuttgart.de > [lots of output] > $ > > Aha! That works. But I can't replicate it with most whois clients. > > However, it /does/ work with the jwhois client, which some linux systems > have, and which seems to have some special method to deal with DENIC. It > doesn't work with the RIPE client - despite DENIC recommending that - unless > you construct a rather odd-looking query by adding at least "--T dn": [..] > Pete Turnbull I did an strace and I can confirm that the Linux 'whois' client that I used from those various sites sends '-T dn' (or actually -T dn,ace) write(3, "-T dn,ace uni-stuttgart.de\r\n", 28) = 28 I can't see where this whois originates from, it has version number '5.2.'. Its man page refers to RFC 3912, but RFC 3912 says nothing about -T. RFC 3912's single example wouldn't have worked in this case. So I wonder what replaced RFC 3912, and why there's a mismatch between documentation and functionality.
Re: NeXT in Toronto/Canada - was Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
> I'm also a Cube owner in Toronto. Maybe we should start a local > collector's / user's group :D > Any others care to speak up? I'm in Ottawa. I've got a - very small! - collection of NeXT hardware. A slab or two, at least one megapixel display (the 2bpp greyscale kind), some small number of keyboards, a mouse or two, that's probably about it. I gave away my Cube years back. I've been tempted to get rid of them, but feel sentimental enough about having developed MouseX that I've so far avoided doing so. Also, I've been holding out the (admittedly slight) hope that hardware documentation will surface for the interesting hardware; I do not run closed-source software, so that's important to me. /~\ The ASCII Mouse \ / Ribbon Campaign X Against HTMLmo...@rodents-montreal.org / \ Email! 7D C8 61 52 5D E7 2D 39 4E F1 31 3E E8 B3 27 4B
Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 15:50 Ed wrote: > we may some parts pieces maybe when we stage our next cube... > > who knows might pop up and work by it self.. > > let me know what you are not going to used there. > thx Ed# > _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) Is someone testing a Markov chainer on the list? If so, you have some more work to do... -- Ian Finder (206) 395-MIPS ian.fin...@gmail.com
Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
we may some parts pieces maybe when we stage our next cube... who knows might pop up and work by it self.. let me know what you are not going to used there. thx Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 3/8/2017 2:07:11 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Hi Mark, Works for me or I can post. I am "snuci" on http://www.nextcomputers.org and have been a member for a little while. I have a couple of NeXTs already including only one that I've put on my site at http://vintagecomputer.ca/next-dimension-cube-turbo One of these will go to a friend who has a small collection and is new to NeXT so we'll have another potential member soon :) For the record, that blog post is old. I have the Cube working with dual monitors and have no issues with that one at all. Santo On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Tapley, Mark wrote: > On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Santo Nucifora > wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I have reached out to Chris (I am local) and will providing a new home > for the lot. I will be happy to take hi-res pics of the board when I get > them over the weekend. > > > > Santo > > Santo, > that’s great! Wonderful to hear they are going to a good home. > I will try to pass on the photos to > > http://www.nextcomputers.org > > if that’s OK with you, or you can do so directly. That seems to be > one of the biggest active repositories of NeXT information. > If you want to get them running, there is also a lot of useful > information in the forum area on the same site, including pretty detailed > steps on how to implement a SCSI2SD or other hard drives. Some of that may > be helpful with the cube as well. > - Mark > >
Re: NeXT in Toronto/Canada - was Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
On 3/8/2017 2:16 PM, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote: On 2017-03-08 4:07 PM, Santo Nucifora via cctalk wrote: Hi Mark, Works for me or I can post. I am "snuci" on http://www.nextcomputers.org and have been a member for a little while. I have a couple of NeXTs already including only one that I've put on my site at Hi Santo I'm also a Cube owner in Toronto. Maybe we should start a local collector's / user's group :D Any others care to speak up? --Toby APPLE of the BORG ... All CUBES are US. :) Ben.
NeXT in Toronto/Canada - was Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
On 2017-03-08 4:07 PM, Santo Nucifora via cctalk wrote: Hi Mark, Works for me or I can post. I am "snuci" on http://www.nextcomputers.org and have been a member for a little while. I have a couple of NeXTs already including only one that I've put on my site at Hi Santo I'm also a Cube owner in Toronto. Maybe we should start a local collector's / user's group :D Any others care to speak up? --Toby http://vintagecomputer.ca/next-dimension-cube-turbo One of these will go to a friend who has a small collection and is new to NeXT so we'll have another potential member soon :) For the record, that blog post is old. I have the Cube working with dual monitors and have no issues with that one at all. Santo
Re: Just seen on Reddit S/34
https://www.reddit.com/r/computercollecting/comments/5pohwr/a_rare_find_in_pottstown_unsure_if_in_working/ That one has been available for several years. People who've seen it in person said it is beat to < censored >.
Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
Hi Mark, Works for me or I can post. I am "snuci" on http://www.nextcomputers.org and have been a member for a little while. I have a couple of NeXTs already including only one that I've put on my site at http://vintagecomputer.ca/next-dimension-cube-turbo One of these will go to a friend who has a small collection and is new to NeXT so we'll have another potential member soon :) For the record, that blog post is old. I have the Cube working with dual monitors and have no issues with that one at all. Santo On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 3:50 PM, Tapley, Mark wrote: > On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Santo Nucifora > wrote: > > > Hi Mark, > > > > I have reached out to Chris (I am local) and will providing a new home > for the lot. I will be happy to take hi-res pics of the board when I get > them over the weekend. > > > > Santo > > Santo, > that’s great! Wonderful to hear they are going to a good home. > I will try to pass on the photos to > > http://www.nextcomputers.org > > if that’s OK with you, or you can do so directly. That seems to be > one of the biggest active repositories of NeXT information. > If you want to get them running, there is also a lot of useful > information in the forum area on the same site, including pretty detailed > steps on how to implement a SCSI2SD or other hard drives. Some of that may > be helpful with the cube as well. > - Mark > >
Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:28 PM, Santo Nucifora wrote: > Hi Mark, > > I have reached out to Chris (I am local) and will providing a new home for > the lot. I will be happy to take hi-res pics of the board when I get them > over the weekend. > > Santo Santo, that’s great! Wonderful to hear they are going to a good home. I will try to pass on the photos to http://www.nextcomputers.org if that’s OK with you, or you can do so directly. That seems to be one of the biggest active repositories of NeXT information. If you want to get them running, there is also a lot of useful information in the forum area on the same site, including pretty detailed steps on how to implement a SCSI2SD or other hard drives. Some of that may be helpful with the cube as well. - Mark
Just seen on Reddit S/34
https://www.reddit.com/r/computercollecting/comments/5pohwr/a_rare_find_in_pottstown_unsure_if_in_working/
RT-11 5.x install tapes?
Hi all, for work on TU58 emulator "tu58fs" I'd like to experiment with oversized tape images under RT-11 5.5, 5.6 and 5.7. The images I know about are the classiccmp collections, Earl Evans pointed me to the RT11DV50.ISO archive. However, in these images the TU58 driver files DD.MAC/DD.SYS/DDX.SYS are mostly missing. Strange, because they claim to be pristine. Somebody knows about original RT-11 V5 installation tape images? Thanks, Joerg
Oki 3305 disk drives
Hi all I have a couple of Oki 3305BU 1/3 height 5 1/4" drives. On startup the motor spins and the heads load, but the heads don't move. Also, my BIOS tells me I have a drive failure. On taking them apart for a bit of a lube I noticed they have EPROM 8748s inside. Could this be the problem, EPROMs lost data? This would be a first for me, I have EPROMs from the seventies which are still fine. Anybody familiar with these drives? Thanks W
Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
Hi Mark, I have reached out to Chris (I am local) and will providing a new home for the lot. I will be happy to take hi-res pics of the board when I get them over the weekend. Santo On Wed, Mar 8, 2017 at 2:22 PM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:09 PM, wrote: > > > It's been a long time since I had the Cube open so this is from memory. > However, I'm reasonably sure that this was based off a NeXT card (whose > name escapes me) that was half bus interface and half prototype board so > that you could build one-off interfaces. I originally bought the Cube as > surplus from the University of Waterloo, so I'm guessing that it's an > interface to some piece of lab equipment. > > > > Here's a slightly blurry picture of the Cube's back: > > > >https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Sme9n3mG2UYUxuVWZ2eXhfS2M/view > > > > The Mystery Board occupies the leftmost slot (IIRC). > > Now that is interesting! I concur completely, this does not look > anything like my NeXTDimension. But it looks from the outside as though you > have not one but two boards on the left side. My cube originally had only > the board on the right of your picture (and in that same location). Unless > there are internal connections between the two slots on the left side, you > may have two Mystery Boards. > > Very neat! I hope we get to hear more about this system eventually. > - Mark > >
Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
On Mar 8, 2017, at 1:09 PM, wrote: > It's been a long time since I had the Cube open so this is from memory. > However, I'm reasonably sure that this was based off a NeXT card (whose name > escapes me) that was half bus interface and half prototype board so that you > could build one-off interfaces. I originally bought the Cube as surplus from > the University of Waterloo, so I'm guessing that it's an interface to some > piece of lab equipment. > > Here's a slightly blurry picture of the Cube's back: > >https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Sme9n3mG2UYUxuVWZ2eXhfS2M/view > > The Mystery Board occupies the leftmost slot (IIRC). Now that is interesting! I concur completely, this does not look anything like my NeXTDimension. But it looks from the outside as though you have not one but two boards on the left side. My cube originally had only the board on the right of your picture (and in that same location). Unless there are internal connections between the two slots on the left side, you may have two Mystery Boards. Very neat! I hope we get to hear more about this system eventually. - Mark
Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
On 2017-03-08 11:06, Tapley, Mark wrote: On Mar 7, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Chris Reuter via cctalk wrote: I have some NeXT hardware that I'm looking to re-home. Items include: 1 NeXT cube with an unknown expansion card One reasonable candidate would be a NeXTDimension video card. It's been a long time since I had the Cube open so this is from memory. However, I'm reasonably sure that this was based off a NeXT card (whose name escapes me) that was half bus interface and half prototype board so that you could build one-off interfaces. I originally bought the Cube as surplus from the University of Waterloo, so I'm guessing that it's an interface to some piece of lab equipment. Here's a slightly blurry picture of the Cube's back: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B0Sme9n3mG2UYUxuVWZ2eXhfS2M/view The Mystery Board occupies the leftmost slot (IIRC). --Chris
Re: I hate the new mail system
On 08/03/2017 07:11, Tor Arntsen via cctalk wrote: I tested 'whois -h whois.denic.de uni-stuttgart.de' from Oslo, London, Tokyo, and it seems to work fine - I got all expected whois output. Tested yesterday too. Sounds like it may be the whois client instead - what OS are you guys using, and which 'whois' version? This is rather intriguing. No, not the fault of the whois client. I repeated yesterday's tests and a few more because I'd closed the terminal windows I used yesterday, and also to try to eliminate any temporary aberrations. I did wonder if whois.denic.de is actually a load-balanced server farm and I just happened to be hitting a broken member of the farm and some of you guys weren't. But that does not seem to be the case. FWIW I was using linux whois-4.5.17 originally from www.linux.it, based on the RIPE whois client, compiled locally from source under IRIX. It's part of various Linux distributions and it works on hundreds of other whois servers; I use it frequently (part of my job) and never had a problem before. That's important because when I eventually found the "DENIC Public-Whois Documentation" I noted that it recommends the RIPE whois client. So just to be thorough I downloaded and compiled the latest RIPE whois on an Ubuntu Linux system and get a similar result with a standard query. I also downloaded and tested Microsoft's whois for Windows and got the same broken result, same "Error: 557 Request not clearly specified" message. More importantly, I tested connecting directly using telnet to port 43, exactly as specified in RFCs 3912 and 954. Here it is again, showing the output of the (required) HELP command: $ telnet whois.denic.de 43 Trying 81.91.170.6... Connected to whois.denic.de. Escape character is '^]'. ? % SYNTAX: whois [-r] [-T types] [-C charset] key % % where our server understands the following options: % % -r turn off recursive lookups (default: on) % -T ace ACE input for domain lookup % -T domain (dn) only look for objects of type domain % -T status (st) only look for domain status % -C charset specify character set for the input/output % Available charsets: US-ASCII, ISO-8859-1, UTF-8 (default) % % NOTE: Read the detailed documentation for valid argument combinations. There are two special queries % % [?, HELP, help] displays this text % alive@whois returns 'alive' if whois server runs properly % % Detailed documentation under https://www.denic.de/webwhois/?lang=en % Connection closed by foreign host. $ Notice that - unlike normal whois servers - this one apparently requires some other stuff, possibly including the text "whois", as part of the query. That may explain why a normal whois client gets an error, because the standard way to make a query is simply to send the string to query (eg, "uni-stuttgart.de" or "dunnington.cx"): $ whois -h whois.denic.de uni-stuttgart.de % Error: 557 Request not clearly specified OK, so back to telnet, and try it with the syntax DENIC claims to want: $ telnet whois.denic.de 43 Trying 81.91.170.6... Connected to whois.denic.de. Escape character is '^]'. -T dn uni-stuttgart.de [lots of output] $ Aha! That works. But I can't replicate it with most whois clients. However, it /does/ work with the jwhois client, which some linux systems have, and which seems to have some special method to deal with DENIC. It doesn't work with the RIPE client - despite DENIC recommending that - unless you construct a rather odd-looking query by adding at least "--T dn": gleek:whois3-3.2.2 $ ./whois -h whois.denic.de uni-stuttgart.de Domain: uni-stuttgart.de Status: connect gleek:whois3-3.2.2 $ gleek:whois3-3.2.2 $ ./whois -h whois.denic.de --T dn uni-stuttgart.de [lots of output] gleek:whois3-3.2.2 $ So IMHO it's broken; it doesn't respond to a standard query format as defined in the RFCs, but only to a modified query string, one which some perfectly good clients can't correctly format. Just for comparison, I also tested the RIPE client, Microsoft client, and telnet with some .co.uk, .ac.uk, .com, .cn and .cx domains using several whois servers, and found a standard query worked every time. Obviously that's not exhaustive but so far whois.denic.de is the only one I've found with this odd behaviour. -- Pete Pete Turnbull
Re: Looking to re-home some NeXT hardware
On Mar 7, 2017, at 10:10 PM, Chris Reuter via cctalk wrote: > > I have some NeXT hardware that I'm looking to re-home. Items include: > >1 NeXT cube with an unknown expansion card One reasonable candidate would be a NeXTDimension video card. Connectors on mine, from the top: 1) DE-9 2) DIN 3) RCA 4) DIN 5) RCA 6) RCA (large space) 7) video, with coax imbedded among other connectors in a D shell - 13W3, I think. If true, this is a reasonably valuable card. However it would make sense for there to be a color monitor (Sun or NeXT or similar) somewhere nearby if that’s what this is. >2 Mice, 3 keyboards, various cables, SCSI drives, odds and ends. Those all look to me like the original non-ADB keyboards and mice > The monitors both worked when I last tried them. One had succumbed to > the dimness problem but the other was still bright, if blurry. > Presumably, you could swap CRTs and have one like-new NeXT monochrome > monitor. “Blurry”, in my experience, often clears up after 12-24 hours of running. It may be worthwhile to power it up and leave it that way for a day or so to see whether this works for you as well. I truly hope someone saves these!
