Re: 2.11BSD on two RL02 drives? Probably not, but...

[Aaron Jackson via cctalk]

>> On Aug 2, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Aaron Jackson via cctech 
>>  wrote:
>>
>> Hi all,
>>
>> I will soon be getting a PDP-11/73 with 1MB of RAM, an RLV12 and DEQNA
>> controllers. I already have two RL02 and packs (which need a clean),
>> with thanks to Dave Wade on this list.
>>
>> Ideally I would like to run 2.11BSD, on two RL02 drives, I'm not sure
>> this is going to be possible. Does anyone know/think otherwise? Maybe by
>> removing *many* unnecessary and running strip on any binaries left from
>> my destruction? Ignoring spare for the user, for the time being...
>>
>> If not, what other UNIX options are there which I will be able to use,
>> supporting the DEQNA and running on two RL02 drives?
>>
>> Input much appreciated.
>
> Here’s what I did (but I wasn’t space constrained as I have the equivalant
> of 4 RP06 drives).

That is huge compared to my total of 20MB! :D

> You’ll likely have to configure the kernel.  This is easiest done within an 
> emulator,
> as it took 24hours on my 11/70.  I decided that the emulator approach was best
> after the 2nd time I screwed it up.  :-/
>

Thanks for the suggestion. I have been playing with this already. I
recompiled the kernel and set a bunch of stuff to NO which I knew I
wouldn't need. It compiled fine, but then said:

base segment is 47232, min is 49152, too small by 1920 bytes.
System will occupy 175264 bytes of memory (including buffers and clists).

   end {0054200}  nbuf {0012134}   buf {0035352}
 nproc {0012122}  proc {0044344} ntext {0012124}
  text {0053240} nfile {0012130}  file {0051260}
ninode {0012126} inode {0012220}  ncallout {0012132}
   callout {0025764} ucb_clist {0012140}nclist {0012136}
  ram_size {000}   xitdesc {0012216}  quotdesc {000}
 namecache {0035070}   _iosize {000}  nlog {0011206}
 SYSTEM IS NOT BOOTABLE. 

If anyone can explain what this mean and possibly how to fix it, I'd be
very pleased.

> Running on an emulator allows you to “play around” with the configuration
> and what will and won’t fit.  You’ll likely have to start with a 
> configuration larger
> than your target just to get started (but I haven’t done it in a long time so 
> YMMV).
>
> That will also tell you what you can reasonably fit on two RL02 drives.  Also 
> it’s
> easier to “back up” and start over if you make mistakes (save a version of the
> emulated disk files before making substantive changes and copy them back if
> you screw up).
>
> Once you have something working reasonably well, you can transfer the “bits”
> over to your 11’s RL drives though your preferred method.
>
> TTFN - Guy

Thanks again,

Aaron.

Re: 2.11BSD on two RL02 drives? Probably not, but...

[Guy Sotomayor Jr via cctalk]

> On Aug 2, 2017, at 11:32 AM, Aaron Jackson via cctech  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi all,
> 
> I will soon be getting a PDP-11/73 with 1MB of RAM, an RLV12 and DEQNA
> controllers. I already have two RL02 and packs (which need a clean),
> with thanks to Dave Wade on this list.
> 
> Ideally I would like to run 2.11BSD, on two RL02 drives, I'm not sure
> this is going to be possible. Does anyone know/think otherwise? Maybe by
> removing *many* unnecessary and running strip on any binaries left from
> my destruction? Ignoring spare for the user, for the time being...
> 
> If not, what other UNIX options are there which I will be able to use,
> supporting the DEQNA and running on two RL02 drives?
> 
> Input much appreciated.

Here’s what I did (but I wasn’t space constrained as I have the equivalant
of 4 RP06 drives).

You’ll likely have to configure the kernel.  This is easiest done within an 
emulator,
as it took 24hours on my 11/70.  I decided that the emulator approach was best
after the 2nd time I screwed it up.  :-/

Running on an emulator allows you to “play around” with the configuration
and what will and won’t fit.  You’ll likely have to start with a configuration 
larger
than your target just to get started (but I haven’t done it in a long time so 
YMMV).

That will also tell you what you can reasonably fit on two RL02 drives.  Also 
it’s
easier to “back up” and start over if you make mistakes (save a version of the
emulated disk files before making substantive changes and copy them back if
you screw up).

Once you have something working reasonably well, you can transfer the “bits”
over to your 11’s RL drives though your preferred method.

TTFN - Guy

Re: 2.11BSD on two RL02 drives? Probably not, but...

[Eric Smith via cctalk]

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:24 PM, systems_glitch via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> You might consider just adding another storage controller. I'd recommend
> something that talks MSCP. SCSI seems to be what most people are after
> nowadays, but ESDI controllers are much cheaper, and the drives aren't that
> hard to find. If you have SMD drives kicking around already, there are SMD
> MSCP interfaces that also work well. I've had excellent luck with Emulex
> MSCP controllers.
>

I had good results on both Unibus and Qbus systems with using a CMD MSCP
SCSI controller and an Iomega ZIP drive. It was very convenient to be able
to stick the ZIP cartridge in a drive on a PC for access from simulators
etc.  I used it with RT11, RSTS/E, and BSD.

100MB might not be enough to be interesting for general purpose use on a PC
any more, but it's fine for a PDP-11.

Re: 2.11BSD on two RL02 drives? Probably not, but...

[systems_glitch via cctalk]

You might consider just adding another storage controller. I'd recommend
something that talks MSCP. SCSI seems to be what most people are after
nowadays, but ESDI controllers are much cheaper, and the drives aren't that
hard to find. If you have SMD drives kicking around already, there are SMD
MSCP interfaces that also work well. I've had excellent luck with Emulex
MSCP controllers.

Thanks,
Jonathan

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:46 PM, william degnan via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> I'd suggest using simH to load in UNIX 6 / 7 or BSD (assuming there an RL02
> BSD image(s)) onto a the PDP 11/? closest to what you have in actual
> hardware.  Emulate a system with RL02s attached.
>
> Using this method I have been able to build UNIX 6 onto RL02 media using
> the directions I found from gunkies.org.  I then used PDPGUI to copy the
> emulated disks to actual disks.  PDPGUI has tools to build actual RL02
> disks from RL02 images.  You have to have patience and functional
> hardware  Getting the build running on simH is very useful, helps save
> time.  You only move the disk pack once you're sure it's working in simH
> first.
>
> Bill
>
> On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 7:12 PM, Aaron Jackson via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
> > > From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Aaron
> Jackson
> > via cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org]
> > > Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 2:32 PM
> > > To: cct...@classiccmp.org
> > > Subject: 2.11BSD on two RL02 drives? Probably not, but...
> > >
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I will soon be getting a PDP-11/73 with 1MB of RAM, an RLV12 and DEQNA
> > > controllers. I already have two RL02 and packs (which need a clean),
> > > with thanks to Dave Wade on this list.
> > >
> > > Ideally I would like to run 2.11BSD, on two RL02 drives, I'm not sure
> > > this is going to be possible. Does anyone know/think otherwise? Maybe
> by
> > > removing *many* unnecessary and running strip on any binaries left from
> > > my destruction? Ignoring spare for the user, for the time being...
> > >
> > > If not, what other UNIX options are there which I will be able to use,
> > > supporting the DEQNA and running on two RL02 drives?
> > >
> > > Input much appreciated.
> > >
> > > Thanks,
> > >
> > > Aaron.
> > > ___
> > >
> > > Ultrix-11 works just fine on two RL02's.
> > >
> > > bill
> >
> > Hi Bill,
> >
> > Thanks for the suggestion. I dismissed Ultrix without much thought
> > unfortunately, but I actually see some pre-built images for two RL02
> > drives which should get me going.
> >
> > For anyone who is interested in my 2.11BSD progress: I managed to get it
> > to under 12MB, 8MB of which are in /usr. So, it is possible, the system
> > works, but I am left with no /usr/src, /usr/man, /usr/doc, /usr/dict. It
> > can compile stuff, it boots, but man pages are always nice to have.
> >
> > Thanks,
> >
> > Aaron.
> >
>

Re: 2.11BSD on two RL02 drives? Probably not, but...

[Aaron Jackson via cctalk]

> From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Aaron Jackson via 
> cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org]
> Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 2:32 PM
> To: cct...@classiccmp.org
> Subject: 2.11BSD on two RL02 drives? Probably not, but...
>
> Hi all,
>
> I will soon be getting a PDP-11/73 with 1MB of RAM, an RLV12 and DEQNA
> controllers. I already have two RL02 and packs (which need a clean),
> with thanks to Dave Wade on this list.
>
> Ideally I would like to run 2.11BSD, on two RL02 drives, I'm not sure
> this is going to be possible. Does anyone know/think otherwise? Maybe by
> removing *many* unnecessary and running strip on any binaries left from
> my destruction? Ignoring spare for the user, for the time being...
>
> If not, what other UNIX options are there which I will be able to use,
> supporting the DEQNA and running on two RL02 drives?
>
> Input much appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Aaron.
> ___
>
> Ultrix-11 works just fine on two RL02's.
>
> bill

Hi Bill,

Thanks for the suggestion. I dismissed Ultrix without much thought
unfortunately, but I actually see some pre-built images for two RL02
drives which should get me going.

For anyone who is interested in my 2.11BSD progress: I managed to get it
to under 12MB, 8MB of which are in /usr. So, it is possible, the system
works, but I am left with no /usr/src, /usr/man, /usr/doc, /usr/dict. It
can compile stuff, it boots, but man pages are always nice to have.

Thanks,

Aaron.

RE: 2.11BSD on two RL02 drives? Probably not, but...

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

From: cctalk [cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] on behalf of Aaron Jackson via 
cctalk [cctalk@classiccmp.org]
Sent: Wednesday, August 2, 2017 2:32 PM
To: cct...@classiccmp.org
Subject: 2.11BSD on two RL02 drives? Probably not, but...

Hi all,

I will soon be getting a PDP-11/73 with 1MB of RAM, an RLV12 and DEQNA
controllers. I already have two RL02 and packs (which need a clean),
with thanks to Dave Wade on this list.

Ideally I would like to run 2.11BSD, on two RL02 drives, I'm not sure
this is going to be possible. Does anyone know/think otherwise? Maybe by
removing *many* unnecessary and running strip on any binaries left from
my destruction? Ignoring spare for the user, for the time being...

If not, what other UNIX options are there which I will be able to use,
supporting the DEQNA and running on two RL02 drives?

Input much appreciated.

Thanks,

Aaron.
___

Ultrix-11 works just fine on two RL02's.

bill

Re: Ibm rs6000 7025-f50

[Jules Richardson via cctalk]

On 07/31/2017 10:43 AM, Doc Shipley via cctalk wrote:


...
  I swear this is no exaggeration.  To date, I have never located another
person who was able to get AIX media through that educational program.


So in summary, the experience was... umm, educational?

Re: WTB: RX02 Floppy Disks

[allison via cctalk]

On 8/2/17 8:49 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:


On 8/1/17 10:36 PM, Ulrich Tagge via cctalk wrote:


Looks like I was wrongly under the impression, that there is no way to 
reformat, disks to work in an RX02.

There is no way to low-level format disks on a DEC RX01 or RX02. The hardware 
doesn't support it in the controller
inside the DEC disk drive. DEC expected you to buy media from them.

You can do it with third-party controllers like Qbus Sigma, DSD, or MTI using 
standard Shugart interface disk drives.
Some also support "RX03" double-sided drives.

You could also clone a formatted double-density disks with a flux-level 
reader/writer board.





RX02 drives can "reformat" RX01 media to RX02.  So if you need RX02 
media any soft sector
single sided single density (26 by 128 byte sectored) will do.  I use my 
S100 CP/M system
to format media to that then the RX01 can be used to init (initialize 
directory) or reformat (to DD).

Least the PDP11 can.

Allison

2.11BSD on two RL02 drives? Probably not, but...

[Aaron Jackson via cctalk]

Hi all,

I will soon be getting a PDP-11/73 with 1MB of RAM, an RLV12 and DEQNA
controllers. I already have two RL02 and packs (which need a clean),
with thanks to Dave Wade on this list.

Ideally I would like to run 2.11BSD, on two RL02 drives, I'm not sure
this is going to be possible. Does anyone know/think otherwise? Maybe by
removing *many* unnecessary and running strip on any binaries left from
my destruction? Ignoring spare for the user, for the time being...

If not, what other UNIX options are there which I will be able to use,
supporting the DEQNA and running on two RL02 drives?

Input much appreciated.

Thanks,

Aaron.

Re: WTB: RX02 Floppy Disks

[Ulrich Tagge via cctalk]

Hi All,

Have managed to find and pick a bunch of SSSD 8" Disks in my basement, 
and have formatted them now via the IBM /23.
Over the weekend I try the next step,and will "format" them under RT11. 
So fingers crossed, that my only running RT11 system, installed on an 
DEC RC25, will still boot.


Many Greetings
Ulrich

Re: WTB: RX02 Floppy Disks

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Wed, Aug 2, 2017 at 9:46 AM, Jay West via cctalk
 wrote:
> Assuming DEC hardware. ISTR that if you have one of the fairly common DSD 
> drives (ex DSD440/880) then you can in fact format the RX02 disks.
>

Also the SMS 1000 can low level format blank disks in RX01, RX02, and
RX03 format with its built-in controller and Tandon TM-848-2E drive. I
have one of those that I have used for that purpose.

http://www.bitsavers.org/pdf/sms/qbus/3001076A_SMS1000oem_Feb87.pdf

Re: WTB: RX02 Floppy Disks

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

correct

that was how I've always low-level formatted RX02s, using 3rd party controllers.



On 8/2/17 9:46 AM, Jay West wrote:
> Eric (via AEK) wrote
> --
> "RX02 format uses single-density address fields even for double density. The 
> RX02 can "reformat" standard single-density into RX02 modified MFM format 
> just by rewriting all of the data fields.
> 
> It still can't low-level format a blank or MFM disk."
> 
> So you have to have a single-density IBM formatted disk which the RX02 can 
> convert
> --
> Assuming DEC hardware. ISTR that if you have one of the fairly common DSD 
> drives (ex DSD440/880) then you can in fact format the RX02 disks.
> 
> J
> 

RE: WTB: RX02 Floppy Disks

[Jay West via cctalk]

Eric (via AEK) wrote
--
"RX02 format uses single-density address fields even for double density. The 
RX02 can "reformat" standard single-density into RX02 modified MFM format just 
by rewriting all of the data fields.

It still can't low-level format a blank or MFM disk."

So you have to have a single-density IBM formatted disk which the RX02 can 
convert
--
Assuming DEC hardware. ISTR that if you have one of the fairly common DSD 
drives (ex DSD440/880) then you can in fact format the RX02 disks.

J

Re: PDP-11: DR11-C to FPGA or 1284?

[Fritz Mueller via cctalk]

> On Aug 1, 2017, at 7:37 PM, Jerry Weiss  wrote:
> 
> It is possible to install the TCP/IP Package on a 248K
> machine using the DEUNA/DELUA 18-bit (Non Unibus  Map-
> ping)  EU18XM.SYS handler.

Thanks Jerry, I'll check that out.  Might also be a bit of work to shave down 
RT-11 5.3 to fit on a single RK05, but it would be fun to play with.

Re: WTB: RX02 Floppy Disks

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

ok, got this clarification from Eric Smith

"RX02 format uses single-density address fields even for double density. The 
RX02 can "reformat" standard single-density
into RX02 modified MFM format just by rewriting all of the data fields.

It still can't low-level format a blank or MFM disk."

So you have to have a single-density IBM formatted disk which the RX02 can 
convert


On 8/2/17 7:05 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
> On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, Al Kossow wrote:
>> There is no way to low-level format disks on a DEC RX01 or RX02. The 
>> hardware doesn't support it in the controller
>> inside the DEC disk drive. DEC expected you to buy media from them.
> 
> Not really. You can use any standard 3740 formatted disk (i.e. 26 
> sectors/track, 128 bytes/sector, 77 tracks, FM) and
> change it to RX02 formatting in an RX02 drive with
> .FORMAT DY0:
> or change it back to RX01 with
> .FORMAT/SINGLEDENSITY DY0:
> 
> In both cases you need to
> .INIT/BAD DY0:
> to create the directory.
> 
>> You could also clone a formatted double-density disks with a flux-level 
>> reader/writer board.
> 
> Only a /slight/ overkill...
> 
> Christian

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Mark Linimon via cctalk]

On Wed, Aug 02, 2017 at 03:59:30PM +0200, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
> Thanks god that I am not in the US, because here, even eBay has to follow
> local legislation. Or in other words, we have consumer rights [...]

But here in the US ... the government "of the lawyers, by the lawyers,
and for the lawyers, shall not perish from the Earth."

OK, enough political jokes for today, sorry.

mcl

Re: WTB: RX02 Floppy Disks

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, Al Kossow wrote:
There is no way to low-level format disks on a DEC RX01 or RX02. The 
hardware doesn't support it in the controller inside the DEC disk drive. 
DEC expected you to buy media from them.


Not really. You can use any standard 3740 formatted disk (i.e. 26 
sectors/track, 128 bytes/sector, 77 tracks, FM) and change it to RX02 
formatting in an RX02 drive with

.FORMAT DY0:
or change it back to RX01 with
.FORMAT/SINGLEDENSITY DY0:

In both cases you need to
.INIT/BAD DY0:
to create the directory.

You could also clone a formatted double-density disks with a flux-level 
reader/writer board.


Only a /slight/ overkill...

Christian

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Wed, 2 Aug 2017, jim stephens wrote:
Legal / illegal and ebay in the same sentence doesn't make sense. They only 
want to make money, and don't care about either sellers or buyers.


Thanks god that I am not in the US, because here, even eBay has to follow 
local legislation. Or in other words, we have consumer rights, and a 
finished auction with bids implies a valid contract (between seller and 
buyer) that must be fulfilled, *even* in the case the seller cancels the 
auction with active bids (expect in cases where e.g. the matter was stolen 
etc.) . Best example is the case of one seller who deliberately put up an 
auction for a car with a starting bid of 1 Euro. He didn't want to accept 
the (only) bid at that price but instead, insisted on a much higher value. 
He (the seller) was convicted to pay the difference (several thousand 
euros) to the buyer because the sole fact that he put up the car at that 
low price doesn't voids the auction. On the contrary, it is the spirit and 
purpose of an auction to make a bargain (on the buyer's side) or to 
realize a higher price (for the seller).


Christian

Re: WTB: RX02 Floppy Disks

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 8/1/17 10:36 PM, Ulrich Tagge via cctalk wrote:

> Looks like I was wrongly under the impression, that there is no way to 
> reformat, disks to work in an RX02.

There is no way to low-level format disks on a DEC RX01 or RX02. The hardware 
doesn't support it in the controller
inside the DEC disk drive. DEC expected you to buy media from them.

You can do it with third-party controllers like Qbus Sigma, DSD, or MTI using 
standard Shugart interface disk drives.
Some also support "RX03" double-sided drives.

You could also clone a formatted double-density disks with a flux-level 
reader/writer board.

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 8/2/2017 1:28 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:

On Tue, 1 Aug 2017, Al Kossow wrote:
They canceled my order as well, just after sending me a message 
wondering if I wanted the keyboard


And this is not illegal in the US? It is here.

Christian
Legal / illegal and ebay in the same sentence doesn't make sense. They 
only want to make money, and don't care about either sellers or buyers.


They added the fiction that buyers are great by banning negative 
feedback against them for the most part. Buyers can do about anything 
they like as Pete said, though the rules really don't allow cancelling 
an auction at the end just because they don't like the results.  I've 
never gotten a response from any ebay protest during this sort of 
behavior as well as worse.


Ebay should be subjected to some auction laws, which would ban that 
practice, as an absolute auction with a final result.  But what they do 
for auctions are not auctions by most legal definitions, and I don't 
think any legal attacks have succeeded.


The auctions are mostly like silent absolute auctions which are used by 
some, and may be exempt from rules about making good on the delivery of 
items in law.


IANAL
thanks
Jim

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on Ebay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Tue, 1 Aug 2017, Al Kossow wrote:
They canceled my order as well, just after sending me a message 
wondering if I wanted the keyboard


And this is not illegal in the US? It is here.

Christian

Re: PDP-11: DR11-C to FPGA or 1284?

[Mattis Lind via cctalk]

2017-08-02 1:24 GMT+02:00 Fritz Mueller via cctalk :

>
>
> On 08/01/2017 01:23 PM, Jay Jaeger wrote:
>
>> I have posted my code (and pinouts) on Google Drive at:
>>
>> https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2v4WRwISEQRUUxuNGhZRENvYjQ
>>
>
> Thanks, Jay -- I'll check it out!
>
> Mattis: I *do* have a DELUA, actually, but haven't slotted it yet to check
> it out.  Your suggestion would be to work up something simple at the link
> layer?  That might be worth a look, too...
>

Yes. Maybe something directly on the link layer or hardcoding the IP/UDP
headers crudely. Not a full IP stack.

>
> --FritzM.
>
>
>
>

90s Computers to a good home.

[matthewf--- via cctalk]

I would be interested in a rs/6000-f50, catch is I’m not mainland UK so 
shipping could be an issue.. but if you could sort something out or get a quote 
at least on your end maybe ?


Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Re: WTB: RX02 Floppy Disks

[Ulrich Tagge via cctalk]

Hi All,

Looks like I was wrongly under the impression, that there is no way to 
reformat, disks to work in an RX02.
I have two working IBM System /23 with 8" Floppy drives, which can 
format also in IBM3740.
So when I have understood it correct, it could be worth to simply format 
an 8" SSSD Disk in 3740 format, followed by:

".FORMAT DY0:"

".INITIALIZE/BADBLOCKS DY0:"

under RT11 which will end up in an RX02 formatted disk - Correct?

Many Greetings
Ulrich

90s Computers to a good home.

[matthewf--- via cctalk]

I would be interested in a rs/6000-f50, catch is I’m not mainland UK so 
shipping could be an issue.. but if you could sort something out or get a quote 
at least on your end maybe ?

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

Re: Sperry UTS 40 on EBay - Statesboro, Georgia

[Pete Lancashire via cctalk]

If the item ended normally at its listing time, which looks like it did.
The seller can do what he wants.

If the seller removed it and brought it back at a higher price, its hits
one side of a gray area.

if the seller removed the item and there were bids against it, eBay will
take an interest in the seller and ( via its database's ) watch what goes
on which is ...

If the seller has a pattern of doing the able, and if the seller is a small
fish, good chance the seller will be gone ( and usually come back under a
different name, all it takes is another bank card and address, like say his
brother or buddy down the street)

If above and the seller is a big fish, say around 5,000 or more items at  a
time, the seller can do what the heck they want and eBay wont do a thing.



On Tue, Aug 1, 2017 at 2:06 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
>
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ali via
> > cctalk
> > Sent: 01 August 2017 19:00
> > To: 'Bill Gunshannon' ; 'General
> Discussion:
> > On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' 
> > Subject: RE: Sperry UTS 40 on EBay - Statesboro, Georgia
> >
> > > Report him to ebay.
> > >
> >
> > What for? eBay doesn't care. Not saying you shouldn't as a matter of
> principle
> > but don't expect much.
> >
>
>
> Many years ago I reported someone for doing this repeatedly for the same
> item. I remember that one listing actually complained about the complaints.
> So they obviously approached him/her, not sure it made that much difference
> in the end, but it was satisfying.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>
>
>