ISO: AT 630 MTG Terminal Keyboard

2018-12-18 Thread Josh Dersch via cctalk 
Hey All --

Picked up a nice AT 630 MTG terminal, sans keyboard as so many terminals
are these days.  Curious if anyone out there might have one available.  You
can see a picture of one here:
http://bitsavers.org/pdf/att/630_mtg/630_MTG_Brochure_1987.pdf.  I believe
the part number to be 33401 or 33538).  It's a fairly distinctive keyboard
in that the arrow keys are arranged in a "plus" pattern.

Thanks in advance!
Josh

3D printer $179.99 (Was: 8-Update

2018-12-18 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk 

If you are seriously considering getting one, consider:
https://www.woot.com/category/computers?ref=w_gh_cp_5
That offer is for 24 hours!

Woot is now an Amazon company; free shipping if you log in with Amazon 
Prime, otherwise, the shipping is $6

Amazon sells filament for them.

Ender3 is apparently open source design, manufactured by numerous 
companies, some with enhancements.


Can operate stand-alone from STL files on Micro-SD card.
Assembly required.

--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:


Thanks Jay, I think this means I’m starting to seriously consider a printer. :-(

Zane





On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:31 PM, Jay Jaeger via cctalk  
wrote:

Typically the files on Thingiverse are .STL format, which is portable 3D
model.  One feeds it into a slicer program (there are several to choose
from) to produce GCode that uses the specifications of one's particular
printer so that the right GCode gets spit out.

On 12/17/2018 3:26 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

Are the files “platform independent”?  I know very little about 3D printing, 
but have been tempted to get a printer for a while now.  Though I’m worried 
about what my kids wanting to use it. :-)

Zane





--
Fred Cisin  ci...@xenosoft.com
XenoSofthttp://www.xenosoft.com
PO Box 1236 (510) 234-3397
Berkeley, CA 94701-1236

Re: Any VCF Forum Mods or Admin here?

2018-12-18 Thread John H. Reinhardt via cctalk 

On 12/18/2018 11:24 PM, Evan Koblentz via cctalk wrote:

I'll take care of it.

On 12/19/18 12:10 AM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote:
Does anyone here have any pull or contacts with the owner or moderator at the Vintage Computer Federation forums?  I've been a member there since January 2014.  In the past, I've lurked a lot, made a post here and there but have been pretty inactive. As such, my account is still moderated and post must be approved. In October I got more active, culminating with a thread asking about using a SCSI2SD card with a MicroVAX and OpenVMS V7.3 . After a few waits to get post approved, I figured at some point I would get un-moderated, but no such luck.  So I wrote the Site Admin Erik  a PM and asked to be un-moderated.  He wrote back that it was done but unfortunately my next post and any others since then are still being held for approval.  That was October 27th.  They still have not been approved (nor rejected, they are in limbo as far as I know).  
I PMed Erik back but according to his profile he hasn't logged in since October 26th.  After a while I sent a message to the moderators as outlined in this sticky . No response.



So I am asking here because I figure there must be some overlap and maybe 
someone know someone that can help


Thanks.




And Evan did!  All he had to do was mention fixing it and it was.

Actually, it may have been fixed long ago.  Evan looked and my account appeared 
to be already set to un-moderated so I tried a new post and it worked without 
problem.  I don't know why I didn't try sooner or why it seemed back in October 
not to work. But it works now and I am happy.


Thanks Evan!  VCF runs a great set of forums.

--
John H. Reinhardt

Re: Any VCF Forum Mods or Admin here?

2018-12-18 Thread Evan Koblentz via cctalk 

I'll take care of it.

On 12/19/18 12:10 AM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote:
Does anyone here have any pull or contacts with the owner or moderator 
at the Vintage Computer Federation forums?  I've been a member there 
since January 2014.  In the past, I've lurked a lot, made a post here 
and there but have been pretty inactive. As such, my account is still 
moderated and post must be approved. In October I got more active, 
culminating with a thread asking about using a SCSI2SD card with a 
MicroVAX and OpenVMS V7.3 
. 
After a few waits to get post approved, I figured at some point I would 
get un-moderated, but no such luck.  So I wrote the Site Admin Erik 
 a PM and asked to be 
un-moderated.  He wrote back that it was done but unfortunately my next 
post and any others since then are still being held for approval.  That 
was October 27th.  They still have not been approved (nor rejected, they 
are in limbo as far as I know).  I PMed Erik back but according to his 
profile he hasn't logged in since October 26th.  After a while I sent a 
message to the moderators as outlined in this sticky 
. No response.



So I am asking here because I figure there must be some overlap and 
maybe someone know someone that can help



Thanks.

Any VCF Forum Mods or Admin here?

2018-12-18 Thread John H. Reinhardt via cctalk 
Does anyone here have any pull or contacts with the owner or moderator at the Vintage Computer Federation forums?  I've been a member there since January 2014.  In the past, I've lurked a lot, made a post here and there but have been pretty inactive. As such, my account is still moderated and post must be approved. In October I got more active, culminating with a thread asking about using a SCSI2SD card with a MicroVAX and OpenVMS V7.3 . After a few waits to get post approved, I figured at some point I would get un-moderated, but no such luck.  So I wrote the Site Admin Erik  a PM and asked to be un-moderated.  He wrote back that it was done but unfortunately my next post and any others since then are still being held for approval.  That was October 27th.  They still have not been approved (nor rejected, they are in limbo as far as I know).  I 
PMed Erik back but according to his profile he hasn't logged in since October 26th.  After a while I sent a message to the moderators as outlined in this sticky . No response.



So I am asking here because I figure there must be some overlap and maybe 
someone know someone that can help


Thanks.

--
John H. Reinhardt

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk 
I repaired a Spectrometer for Morgan University in Baltimore that had a
vintage computer at its heart, used for training purposes and perfectly
good.  The computer just needed some TLC to get it back up and running.  I
think it was a P-II as well, there was a control card that would only work
with the pre-PCI bus
b

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 11:54 PM Jason Howe via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Indeed.
>
> Just this year, we pulled our Pentium Pro box off our museum shelf and
> did a fresh install of NT4 for a faculty member and their scientific
> instrument.
>
> --Jason
>
>
>
> On 12/18/18 5:48 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> >> On Dec 18, 2018, at 2:51 PM, ben via cctalk 
> wrote:
> >>
> >> I would take a guess for custom hardware or software that never
> migrated to Windows 13 or USB IIV. Ben.
> > Being a photographer, I know there is a real market for this.  Many
> high-end scanners will only work with older Macintosh or Windows systems.
> I have a scanner that originally cost $10,000, and the only software for it
> runs on Windows XP (thankfully I can use Parallels Desktop to run XP and
> use it).  Other, even more expensive scanners require even older software
> that requires physical systems.  I also have some pretty high-end Macintosh
> A/V HW & SW that won’t run on newer systems.
> >
> > I’m sure there is plenty of lab type equipment in this category as well.
> >
> > Zane
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread ben via cctalk 

On 12/18/2018 9:53 PM, Jason Howe via cctalk wrote:

Indeed.

Just this year, we pulled our Pentium Pro box off our museum shelf and 
did a fresh install of NT4 for a faculty member and their scientific 
instrument.


--Jason



Z80's and 8 bit IBM pc's are making a come back if you dig on the web.
The Walnut Creek CP/M Archive CD-ROM can be found here.
http://www.glitchwrks.com/2010/10/25/walnut-creek-cpm
Ben.

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread Jason Howe via cctalk 

Indeed.

Just this year, we pulled our Pentium Pro box off our museum shelf and 
did a fresh install of NT4 for a faculty member and their scientific 
instrument.


--Jason



On 12/18/18 5:48 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

On Dec 18, 2018, at 2:51 PM, ben via cctalk  wrote:

I would take a guess for custom hardware or software that never migrated to 
Windows 13 or USB IIV. Ben.

Being a photographer, I know there is a real market for this.  Many high-end 
scanners will only work with older Macintosh or Windows systems.  I have a scanner 
that originally cost $10,000, and the only software for it runs on Windows XP 
(thankfully I can use Parallels Desktop to run XP and use it).  Other, even more 
expensive scanners require even older software that requires physical systems.  I 
also have some pretty high-end Macintosh A/V HW & SW that won’t run on newer 
systems.

I’m sure there is plenty of lab type equipment in this category as well.

Zane

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk 


> On Dec 18, 2018, at 2:51 PM, ben via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> I would take a guess for custom hardware or software that never migrated to 
> Windows 13 or USB IIV. Ben.

Being a photographer, I know there is a real market for this.  Many high-end 
scanners will only work with older Macintosh or Windows systems.  I have a 
scanner that originally cost $10,000, and the only software for it runs on 
Windows XP (thankfully I can use Parallels Desktop to run XP and use it).  
Other, even more expensive scanners require even older software that requires 
physical systems.  I also have some pretty high-end Macintosh A/V HW & SW that 
won’t run on newer systems.

I’m sure there is plenty of lab type equipment in this category as well.

Zane

Re: Core memory emulator using non volatile ram.

2018-12-18 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk 
> From: Paul Koning 

>>> core memory details such as destructive read weren't visible to the
>>> CPU

> DATAIP/DATAO on the Unibus doesn't depend on the destructive read
> property. 

Yes, the CPU can't tell what the memory is doing.

> The reason it existed is that it allows core memory to optimize the
> timing

In other words, it's only there to allow the CPU to act in a way that works
well with core memory. Whether that means that the way core operates is
"visible" to the CPU is a debate about definitions.

Put it another way - do any modern CPU's do 'read-modify-write' cycles (other
than for interlocks in a multi-CPU system)?

 Noel

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread Chris Hanson via cctalk 
Thanks for doing this, Cindy!

Old Apollo and HP stuff (they used to be separate companies, but HP bought 
Apollo in the late 1980s) is definitely something I and others want. There’s 
also a small aftermarket for HP 9000/200 and HP 9000/300 equipment since there 
are still industrial control & measurement systems that run on it.

Personally I’m quite interested in everything related to HP 9000, whether it’s 
the /200, /300, /400, /700, or /800 series. (Not so interested in the /500 
myself but I’m sure there are plenty of people who are.)

  -- Chris

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread ben via cctalk 

On 12/18/2018 2:08 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:



On Dec 18, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Electronics Plus via cctalk 
 wrote:

I talked to a recycler today, who said he told his workers to throw out 2000
Model F keyboards last week, but he doubts they did it.

I also asked him about 8088, 2086, and 386 computers. He said they go
straight to the grinder. I told him I will buy them.

Then an HP dealer contacted me, wants to know if I buy old HP stuff. I told
him Apollo and earlier. Let me know if there is something specific HP you
want.


Cindy, I’m curious, is there really a market for 8086/88, 286, and 386 
computers?  What are folks using them for?

Zane

I would take a guess for custom hardware or software that never migrated 
to Windows 13 or USB IIV. Ben.

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread systems_glitch via cctalk 
Sure, the PS/2 Model 25 and 30 were 8086.

There's a lot of x86 gear still in production in industrial environments.
I've got a customer running part of a semiconductor line on industrial 286s
with no plans to retire them anytime soon. Not the oldest systems I support
for $day_job by far. And of course there's plenty of hobbyist interest in
older x86 stuff.

Thanks,
Jonathan

On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 4:42 PM Grant Taylor via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 12/18/2018 02:08 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> > Cindy, I’m curious, is there really a market for 8086/88, 286, and
> > 386 computers?  What are folks using them for?
>
> I know that there is an active IBM PS/2 collectors community that would
> be happy with anything in that range.
>
> I think PS/2s range from 286 - (very few) Pentium.  I don't /think/
> there were any 8086 / 8088 PS/2s, but I could be mistaken.
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk 

On 12/18/2018 02:08 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
Cindy, I’m curious, is there really a market for 8086/88, 286, and 
386 computers?  What are folks using them for?


I know that there is an active IBM PS/2 collectors community that would 
be happy with anything in that range.


I think PS/2s range from 286 - (very few) Pentium.  I don't /think/ 
there were any 8086 / 8088 PS/2s, but I could be mistaken.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: DG Nova 4 for pickup on Lon Gisland

2018-12-18 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk 



On 12/18/18 12:38 PM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:

>> Unfortunately I got no docs or media with this machine. And it appears
>> all that is up on bitsavers are tape images?

Everything DG related on bitsavers has been on hold for a while until the
licensing situation with EMC worked itself through.

RE: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread Ali via cctalk 
> Cindy, I’m curious, is there really a market for 8086/88, 286, and 386
> computers?  What are folks using them for?


Why not? I am guessing most are used to play games but it really depends on 
your generation and time period. I am always surprised how many DEC/PDP 
aficionados there are. At least with the 8086 series of systems you can still 
(relatively) easily interface them to a modern system.

-Ali

Re: More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk 


> On Dec 18, 2018, at 11:36 AM, Electronics Plus via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> I talked to a recycler today, who said he told his workers to throw out 2000
> Model F keyboards last week, but he doubts they did it.
> 
> I also asked him about 8088, 2086, and 386 computers. He said they go
> straight to the grinder. I told him I will buy them.
> 
> Then an HP dealer contacted me, wants to know if I buy old HP stuff. I told
> him Apollo and earlier. Let me know if there is something specific HP you
> want.

Cindy, I’m curious, is there really a market for 8086/88, 286, and 386 
computers?  What are folks using them for? 

Zane

Re: DG Nova 4 for pickup on Lon Gisland

2018-12-18 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk 
> Looks like it used two serial ports, one at 9600
> baud for the primary console, then the other at 300 baud. Probably a
> teletype off to the side.

It is far more likely to have had a Dasher terminal, in this era.

> Unfortunately I got no docs or media with this machine. And it appears
> all that is up on bitsavers are tape images?

Contact Wild Hare for all things DG.

--
Will

Re: DG Nova 4 for pickup on Lon Gisland

2018-12-18 Thread Connor Krukosky via cctalk 
Well I ended up picking up this machine. Its a bit beaten in some 
places, cleaner than expected in others.
Overall it cleaned up pretty well and all power-supplies appear to work 
well!
Got it up to DG's "ODT" can't remember what they called it. Ram looks 
good at the beginning of the address space anyway.
This has a "JR. CPU" board in, a Cassette I/O board which I believe only 
has an extra UART on it, none of the cassette interface as its pretty 
sparse. And the 8" Disk controller board (6030 controller). Overall a 
pretty small machine. Looks like it used two serial ports, one at 9600 
baud for the primary console, then the other at 300 baud. Probably a 
teletype off to the side.

Seems to be a 1981 machine.
Unfortunately I got no docs or media with this machine. And it appears 
all that is up on bitsavers are tape images?

Anyone have any disk images for the 6030 drive of anything like RDOS?
Photos:
https://imgur.com/a/A0hZEVf


-Connor K

On 12/12/18 3:37 PM, Camiel Vanderhoeven via cctalk wrote:

And I assume the Fortran IV compiler could run on this system.

On 12/12/18, 9:11 PM, "cctalk on behalf of William Donzelli via cctalk" 
 wrote:

 While this is an absurdly small Data General Nova system for the era
 (at least it is not a microNova), you would run RDOS - not unlike a
 dual 8 inch floppy Z80 system of the day.
 
 --

 Will
 On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 2:27 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk
  wrote:
 >
 > How does a person program this computer? I assume there's no C compiler.
 >
 > Would one have to boot to a DOS, then load a compiler into RAM, then read
 > program text into ram, them compile?
 >
 > I have less-than-zero experience with DG systems, but a higher-than-zero
 > adoration for their design/pedigree.
 >
 > =]
 > --
 > Anders Nelson
 >
 > +1 (517) 775-6129
 >
 > www.erogear.com
 >
 >
 > On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 2:21 PM Jacob Ritorto via cctalk <
 > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
 >
 > > Shoot, was asking my wife if I could have it for Christmas to replace 
my
 > > regular desk in the family room :)
 > > But to keep the decor of our home a little more sane, I'll abstain from
 > > bidding and wish you best of luck instead!
 > >
 > > happy holidays and good luck!
 > > --jake
 > >
 > > On Wed, Dec 12, 2018 at 1:28 PM Connor Krukosky via cctalk <
 > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
 > >
 > > > Alright, I think I will go for it. I am not too far from it being in
 > > > Poughkeepsie.
 > > > Always loved the desk machines, and I personally have another kinda
 > > > parts Nova 4 that hopefully I can use to switch parts between to get 
one
 > > > really nice machine :)
 > > >
 > > > -Connor K
 > > >
 > > > On 2018-12-11 13:04, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:
 > > > > I had one of those quite a few years ago. The desk comes apart 
fairly
 > > > > easily. The main unit is just a standard shorty 19" rack.
 > > > >
 > > > > --
 > > > > Will
 > > > > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 10:34 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk
 > > > >  wrote:
 > > > >>
 > > > >> I'm about an hour drive away and somewhat interested, but I don't 
have
 > > > >> space for the desk unfortunately.
 > > > >>
 > > > >> --
 > > > >> Anders Nelson
 > > > >>
 > > > >> +1 (517) 775-6129
 > > > >>
 > > > >> www.erogear.com
 > > > >>
 > > > >>
 > > > >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:33 PM Tony Aiuto 
 > > > >> wrote:
 > > > >>
 > > > >> > It is close enough to me to rescue, but I really don't have the
 > > space
 > > > to
 > > > >> > store it.
 > > > >> > Will anyone take it if I hold it a while?
 > > > >> >
 > > > >> > On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 9:24 PM Anders Nelson via cctalk <
 > > > >> > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
 > > > >> >
 > > > >> >> Would this system fit in a standard 19" wide equipment rack?
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >> =]
 > > > >> >> --
 > > > >> >> Anders Nelson
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >> +1 (517) 775-6129
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >> www.erogear.com
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >> On Mon, Dec 10, 2018 at 6:10 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
 > > > >> >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >> > Cribbed from VCF:
 > > > >> >> >
 > > > >> >> >
 > > > >> >> >
 > > > >> >>
 > > >
 > > 
https://www.ebay.com/itm/Data-General-NOVA4-Nova-4-nova-desktop-computer-minicomputer-8-floppy-vintage/332940164292?hash=item4d84c7bcc4:g:2skAAOSwqIhcDrmI:rk:39:razz:f:0
 > > > >> >> >
 > > > >> >> > Chuck
 > > > >> >> >
 > > > >> >>
 > > > >> >
 > > >
 > >

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk 


> On Dec 18, 2018, at 11:01 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 12/18/2018 11:55 AM, Zane Healy wrote:
>> My main box is now a Compaq XP1000/667, though I’m slowly moving everything 
>> to a virtualized cluster.
> 
> Will you please share details about what you're hosting your virtualized 
> cluster on?  Please include emulator and / or hypervisor.

HP SFF PC’s running:
VMware cluster on ESXI 6.7 (and then Ubuntu Linux running SIMH), OpenVMS/VAX 7.3
Ubuntu Server running SIMH, OpenVMS/VAX 7.3 (I need to virtualize this Ubuntu 
server)

Raspberry Pi 2+:
Raspian running SIMH, OpenVMS/VAX 7.3

Compaq XP1000/667, running OpenVMS/Alpha 8.3

Now that I have the cluster up and running, my primary use for the Alpha is 
WASD, Oracle RDB, and Fortran, I’ve moved pretty much everything else to SIMH, 
including drive capacity.  Unfortunately there aren’t any good solutions to 
move an Alpha to an emulator, when the system is for Hobbyist use.

I find that VM’s running on VMware make an great SIMH host.  Once I virtualize 
my Ubuntu server box, it will become a 3rd node in my VMware cluster (I’m 
licensed for up to 6 CPU’s).

Zane

More old stuff incoming

2018-12-18 Thread Electronics Plus via cctalk 
I talked to a recycler today, who said he told his workers to throw out 2000
Model F keyboards last week, but he doubts they did it.

I also asked him about 8088, 2086, and 386 computers. He said they go
straight to the grinder. I told him I will buy them.

Then an HP dealer contacted me, wants to know if I buy old HP stuff. I told
him Apollo and earlier. Let me know if there is something specific HP you
want.

 

Cindy Croxton

Electronics Plus

1613 Water Street

Kerrville, TX 78028

830-370-3239 cell

sa...@elecplus.com

 



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Re: Hayes Transet Manual and Software

2018-12-18 Thread Jason T via cctalk 
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 11:32 AM geneb via cctalk  wrote:
> I'm glad you scanned it - I've got a Transet 1000 with no manual or power
> supply.  I had only the vaguest idea of what it did. ;)
>
Seems no one does for sure.  There are some old ads and some posts
here and there (one from an ex-Hayes employee who confessed that he,
too, wasn't sure what it did or was supposed to do), but I've found
nothing from anyone who's used one to _do_ anything.  So now we get to
piece it together.

Computer archeology is fun.

j

Spotted an NOS IBM 2314 disk pack

2018-12-18 Thread Al Kossow via cctalk 


https://www.ebay.com/itm/vintage-computer-Wright-Line-Disk-Pack-Data-Processing-Accessory-in-Box-2314-6/323599528210

someone was looking for one in the recent past

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk 

On 12/18/2018 11:55 AM, Zane Healy wrote:
My main box is now a Compaq XP1000/667, though I’m slowly moving 
everything to a virtualized cluster.


Will you please share details about what you're hosting your virtualized 
cluster on?  Please include emulator and / or hypervisor.




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk 


> On Dec 18, 2018, at 10:40 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 12/18/2018 10:28 AM, Zane Healy wrote:
>> On Alpha’s, the SRM console supports both OpenVMS and Tru64, while the ARC 
>> firmware only supports WinNT.
> 
> Wasn't it possible to switch between ARC and SRM on many Alphas?  As in to 
> overwrite one firmware with the other?

Yes, for example on a DEC PWS 433au.  It is also possible to load the SRM 
console on a DEC PWS 433a (Windows NT only), and once you had a supported SCSI 
card, and if you wanted video, a supported video card, you can run OpenVMS (or 
Tru64).  This was my primary VMS box for many years, including several years 
after one of the PCI slots died (which speaks highly in my mind about how well 
the hardware was made).

My main box is now a Compaq XP1000/667, though I’m slowly moving everything to 
a virtualized cluster.

Zane

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk 

On 12/18/2018 10:28 AM, Zane Healy wrote:
On Alpha’s, the SRM console supports both OpenVMS and Tru64, while 
the ARC firmware only supports WinNT.


Wasn't it possible to switch between ARC and SRM on many Alphas?  As in 
to overwrite one firmware with the other?




--
Grant. . . .
unix || die

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Richard Loken via cctalk 

On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote:

	Not to start a flame war, but I?m well aware VMS supports clustering 
pretty well, so I?m puzzled - does anyone know why the Product Description 
called out Tru64 rather than VMS or both? Was Compaq de-emphasizing VMS 
when that was written?


DEC, Compaq, and HP always had separate part numbers and product 
descriptions for Tru64, VMS, and Windows systems.  I know from repeated

experiance that you can run either OS on these systems and I also know
that all the ES45 hardware is supported by VMS including the video cards.

I also know that the DS20 mother boards had hardware on them such as USB
controllers and maybe SCSI controllers that were not supported by either
OS.

--
  Richard Loken VE6BSV: "...underneath those tuques we wear,
  Athabasca, Alberta Canada   : our heads are naked!"
  ** rllo...@telus.net ** :- Arthur Black

Re: Hayes Transet Manual and Software

2018-12-18 Thread geneb via cctalk 

On Mon, 17 Dec 2018, Jason T via cctalk wrote:


On Mon, Dec 17, 2018 at 10:12 AM geneb via cctalk  wrote:

Jason, you can send it my direction for scanning if you like.  I built a
book scanner a while back to handle all the Crescent Software manuals I


I just watched your video on your DIY scanner - good work!  I'll keep
it in mind, but I really ought to just do it over here and do a better
job of it.  I'll get to it.


No worries.  I figured I'd offer.

I'm glad you scanned it - I've got a Transet 1000 with no manual or power 
supply.  I had only the vaguest idea of what it did. ;)


g.

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Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk 


> On Dec 18, 2018, at 9:11 AM, Grant Taylor via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 12/18/2018 09:08 AM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote:
>> Not to start a flame war, but I’m well aware VMS supports clustering pretty 
>> well, so I’m puzzled - does anyone know why the Product Description called 
>> out Tru64 rather than VMS or both? Was Compaq de-emphasizing VMS when that 
>> was written?
> 
> Is there a chance that what you found was a kit (order able SKU) that 
> included Tru64?  As in was there possibly a different kit (SKU) that was 
> (Open)VMS?
> 
> I remember seeing similar from Compaq for Windows NT vs NetWare.  Same 
> hardware, just different software (and possibly factory BIOS config / 
> optimizations).

Tru64 supports various bits of hardware not supported by VMS.  The one that is 
in the forefront of my mind is video cards, but I wouldn’t be surprised if 
there aren’t also disk controllers.  On Alpha’s, the SRM console supports both 
OpenVMS and Tru64, while the ARC firmware only supports WinNT.

As for the product description calling out the clustering in Tru64, perhaps 
they simply assumed anyone looking knew it would be supported in VMS.

Zane

Data General D214 terminals

2018-12-18 Thread Electronics Plus via cctalk 
Found a couple in MA. The company is an old Data General dealership for over
20 years.

 

Bob Smolinsky

Sr. Purchasing Mgr / Sales

  bsmolin...@congruity.com

Ph: 781-826-9080 Mobile: 617-435-4884

56 Pembroke Woods Drive, Pembroke, MA. 02359

 

Tell him I sent you.

 

Cindy Croxton

Electronics Plus

1613 Water Street

Kerrville, TX 78028

830-370-3239 cell

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Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Grant Taylor via cctalk 

On 12/18/2018 09:08 AM, Tapley, Mark via cctalk wrote:
Not to start a flame war, but I’m well aware VMS supports clustering 
pretty well, so I’m puzzled - does anyone know why the Product 
Description called out Tru64 rather than VMS or both? Was Compaq 
de-emphasizing VMS when that was written?


Is there a chance that what you found was a kit (order able SKU) that 
included Tru64?  As in was there possibly a different kit (SKU) that was 
(Open)VMS?


I remember seeing similar from Compaq for Windows NT vs NetWare.  Same 
hardware, just different software (and possibly factory BIOS config / 
optimizations).




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Tektronix X11 xterminal xp217

2018-12-18 Thread Carlo Pisani via cctalk 
hi
for sale a Tektronix X11 terminal model xp217
it comes with its original firmware (on a CD), and its original PSU,
able to accept 110-250VAC

It's located in Italy.

I am looking for 200 Euro for it + S/H

Re: IF you need these old vintage parts, PLEASE grab them before the keyboard keids do!

2018-12-18 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk 


> On Dec 18, 2018, at 6:47 AM, JP Hindin via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, 17 Dec 2018, Evan Koblentz via cctalk wrote:
>>> https://www.elecshopper.com/vintage-computers.html I really would rather
>>> these go to someone who needs them to complete a system than to the
>>> destroyers of keyboards.
>>> I am trying to get more of the vintage stuff listed. If you want to see
>>> items as they are listed online, please turn on your RSS feeds.
>>> https://www.elecshopper.com/rss/
>> 
>> How can you ask $75 for an untested Osborne keyboard?
> 
> Because the 'keyboard keids' will gleefully pay $75 for it. The market would 
> bear a considerably higher price and it appears Cindy is already discounting 
> it - one likes to think in the hopes a person who would connect it to an 
> Osborne would purchase it. At home we'd call this 'mates rates'.
> 
> While I respect your view point, and I similarly get flustered at the 
> ridiculous prices that our hobby now commands due to "retro is cool", I know 
> you surely also appreciate that a business is a business - and Electronics 
> Plus is a business.
> 
> (I have no affiliation with EP personally, nor in fact have I ever personally 
> purchased from them, but am just a soul frustrated by ever growing prices and 
> appreciate a more reasonable price... for various values of 'reasonable').
> 
> - JP

Well said.

On another note, good grief!  I just googled some stuff that I’ve been 
contemplating letting go to make room for other things.

Zane

An interesting talk about Apollo Guidance Computer

2018-12-18 Thread dwight via cctalk 
Carl talks about the restoration he is doing with the computer and some video 
cuts.
Carl has several complete videos on this web page as well.

https://youtu.be/3rz7gAOWVsI?t=3188

Dwight

Re: Orphan HP Alphaservers looking for a new home

2018-12-18 Thread Tapley, Mark via cctalk 
> On Dec 17, 2018, at 7:29 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> I have two ES47 System Building Block Drawers boxes, each with two
> 1GHz 21364 EV7 processors, which form a four CPU ES47 Model 4 when the
> two boxes are connected via the interprocessor hose cables. I didn't
> have any issues getting OpenVMS 8.4 running on the four CPU system.
> Maybe the memory is half full, so 8GB in each of the two boxes.

Glen,
this is interesting! My comment was based on looking at: 

https://support.hpe.com/hpsc/doc/public/display?docId=emr_na-c00376999#N10010

First hit on my gurgle search and I apparently didn’t do enough 
digging. That page lists CPU’s available including ES45, and calls out as 
software, "Tru64 UNIX 5.1a HP AlphaServer SC system software, including Cluster 
File System, Parallel File System, and Platform LSF”. 
Not to start a flame war, but I’m well aware VMS supports clustering 
pretty well, so I’m puzzled - does anyone know why the Product Description 
called out Tru64 rather than VMS or both? Was Compaq de-emphasizing VMS when 
that was written?
- Mark

Re: IF you need these old vintage parts, PLEASE grab them before the keyboard keids do!

2018-12-18 Thread JP Hindin via cctalk 




On Mon, 17 Dec 2018, Evan Koblentz via cctalk wrote:

https://www.elecshopper.com/vintage-computers.html I really would rather
these go to someone who needs them to complete a system than to the
destroyers of keyboards.

I am trying to get more of the vintage stuff listed. If you want to see
items as they are listed online, please turn on your RSS feeds.

https://www.elecshopper.com/rss/


How can you ask $75 for an untested Osborne keyboard?


Because the 'keyboard keids' will gleefully pay $75 for it. The market 
would bear a considerably higher price and it appears Cindy is already 
discounting it - one likes to think in the hopes a person who would 
connect it to an Osborne would purchase it. At home we'd call this 'mates 
rates'.


While I respect your view point, and I similarly get flustered at the 
ridiculous prices that our hobby now commands due to "retro is cool", I 
know you surely also appreciate that a business is a business - and 
Electronics Plus is a business.


(I have no affiliation with EP personally, nor in fact have I ever 
personally purchased from them, but am just a soul frustrated by ever 
growing prices and appreciate a more reasonable price... for various 
values of 'reasonable').


 - JP

RE: IF you need these old vintage parts, PLEASE grab them before the keyboard keids do!

2018-12-18 Thread Electronics Plus via cctalk 



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From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Evan Koblentz 
via cctalk
Sent: Monday, December 17, 2018 3:03 PM
To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: IF you need these old vintage parts, PLEASE grab them before the 
keyboard keids do!

> https://www.elecshopper.com/vintage-computers.html I really would rather
> these go to someone who needs them to complete a system than to the
> destroyers of keyboards.
>
> I am trying to get more of the vintage stuff listed. If you want to see
> items as they are listed online, please turn on your RSS feeds.
>
> https://www.elecshopper.com/rss/

How can you ask $75 for an untested Osborne keyboard?

How would you suggest I test it, since I don't have the computer? These almost 
NEVER show up at the recyclers anymore. Sorry if the price offends you. What do 
you think it is worth?


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RE: 8-Update

2018-12-18 Thread Paul Birkel via cctalk 
>I have an .slt for the PDP-8/e lever
>Rod

Please publish/share?

paul

RE: 8-Update

2018-12-18 Thread Rod G8DGR via cctalk 



Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Zane Healy via cctalk
Sent: 17 December 2018 21:26
To: Torfinn Ingolfsen; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: 8-Update

Are the files “platform independent”?  I know very little about 3D printing, 
but have been tempted to get a printer for a while now.  Though I’m worried 
about what my kids wanting to use it. :-)

Zane




On Dec 17, 2018, at 1:12 PM, Torfinn Ingolfsen via cctalk 
 wrote:
> 
> 
> FWIW, the easiest way to find out if somebody has made (or has tried
> to make) replacement parts for anything that can be 3D-printed is to
> go to thingiverse.com with your web browser.
> And then search for whatever thing you need (search terms / words are
> a separate subject, try as wide or as many as have time for.
> When you find a part, look at pictures, comments, makes and so on to
> try to figure out if this is a working part or just something somebody
> has mad a 3D model of, and never tested.
> Some relevant examples:
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:360853  PDP-8 Panel Switch Toggle
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:386762  DEC RL-02 Spindle Ground Brush
> https://www.thingiverse.com/thing:2454690  PDP Stand - Mount
> 
> HTH
> On Sun, Dec 16, 2018 at 10:35 PM Al Kossow via cctalk
>  wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 12/15/18 11:36 PM, Rod G8DGR via cctalk wrote:
>> 
>>> However I began to think would it be possible to create a close copy of an  
>>> 8/e out of  modern parts.
>> 
>> Redoing the CPU in obtanium TTL would be desirable.
>> 
>> 
> 
> 
> -- 
> mvh
> Torfinn

I have an .slt for the PDP-8/e lever
Rod