Re: Abandoned FACOM system in Italy?

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 4:14 PM shad via cctech
 wrote:
>
> Hello,
> do you know the people who made the video?
> I think the factory is the Satilai in Saronno.
>
> Andrea

I believe those guys are based somewhere in the US. Sometime in the
last few months they made a trip exploring several places in Europe.
They usually do not provide in their videos the exact identity or
location of the places they visit, although a lot of their viewers can
figure it out with a bit of research.

http://theproperpeople.com/about/
https://www.youtube.com/user/TheProperPeople/videos

I have seen some interesting old computer gear briefly appear in a few
of their other videos. Not something they stop to focus on, as most of
the people on this list would.

Re: Abandoned FACOM system in Italy?

[shadoooo via cctalk]

Hello,
do you know the people who made the video?
I think the factory is the Satilai in Saronno.

Andrea

looking for an old IBM knob from a 609 calculator panel

[Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk]

A long shot I know, but I'm looking for an IBM knob that's missing from 
a 609 calculator panel I have.

Photos can be seen here:

http://dvq.com/ibm/ibm-609-pnl1.JPG
http://dvq.com/ibm/ibm-609-pnl4.JPG
http://dvq.com/ibm/ibm-609-pnl5.JPG

I have no idea if the knob was made by IBM or was a common knob of the 
times.


Thanks,

Bob

--
Vintage computers and electronics
www.dvq.com
www.tekmuseum.com
www.decmuseum.org

Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 5:06 PM ben via cctalk  wrote:
>
> On 5/27/2019 2:56 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
> > On Mon, 27 May 2019, Rod Smallwood wrote:
> >>   On an old XP box?  er neither will run
> >
> > My reply was meant as a hint. You should be able to find a dd-like tool
> > for Windows yourself ;-) Either by using a old version of Cygwin (there
> > are instructions how to find them), by installing a stand-alone "dd" for
> > Windows, whatever.
> >
> > Christian
> >
>
> http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
> I like this one, used to copy disc images to sd cards.
> Ben. Windows 7

I did download and use that chrysocome.net version of dd at some point.

Standalone utility without any crap to install.

You'd think that after 10 years they could finally have a 1.0 version
instead of a 0.6beta3  :)

Re: IBM lifting tool

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 4:47 PM Steve Malikoff via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> Evan said
> > While I'm on a roll, I saw this one randomly also - seems to have been a 
> > topic of interest to the list not long ago?
> > It's a bit short & limited in terms of load but might suit someone
> > https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-ES-3090-PROCESSOR-COMPLEX-SERVER-RACK-LIFT-TOOL-DOLLY-LOCAL-PICKUP-IN-CA/302740671139?hash=item467cc00aa3:g:idUAAOSw-YZa~D-D
> > [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/302740671139-0-1/s-l1000.jpg]
> > IBM ES/3090 PROCESSOR COMPLEX SERVER RACK LIFT TOOL DOLLY LOCAL PICKUP IN 
> > CA | 
> > eBay
> > Used condition server rack lift dolly. Used to lift servers up and down for 
> > installation/ servicing of servers. Capable of lifting 200 pounds. In good 
> > working condition. LOCAL PICKUP ONLY IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
> > www.ebay.com
>
> Wow..! that is a _really_ nice lifting dolly, looks like it folds up as well. 
> You're right, we discussed these
> types of units a while ago, and I bodged together my PDP-Lifter 
> http://web.aanet.com.au/~malikoff/pdp11/PDP-Lifter/
> which I used last weekend to speedily lift a rather heavy Kennedy tape unit 
> to the top of an H960 with barely any effort.
> I looked for rack equipment lifting gear at the time but never saw anything 
> like this. I'd say it was well worth it
> for the personal safety improvement alone.
>
> Steve

In the 3rd photo of that listing the Genie logo is visible across the
top horizontal beam. Maybe this was a standard Genie product at the
time, or maybe custom made to IBM specifications.

Their closest current product looks like the Genie Load Lifter. Looks
like those go for around $1000 or more new.
https://www.genielift.com/en/material-handling-products/material-lifts

Re: HP/UX 8 and hosts vs DNS

[Cameron Kaiser via cctalk]

> > > HPUX 8 has smit, doesn't it ?
> >
> > Do you mean "sam"?
> >
> > I thought "smit(ty)" was AIX's counterpart to HP-UX's "sam".
>
> Yes SMIT is an AIX system management utility first introduced with AIX 
> for RS/6000 Ver 3, start with HPUX 10 HP did however include Logical 
> Volume Manager (LVM) which was also introduced in AIX 3.0

sam is in HP/UX 8 also. However, it doesn't seem to control this function.

I'll try /etc/nsswitch.conf anyway, since it won't hurt anything.

-- 
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Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[ben via cctalk]

On 5/27/2019 2:56 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2019, Rod Smallwood wrote:

  On an old XP box?  er neither will run


My reply was meant as a hint. You should be able to find a dd-like tool 
for Windows yourself ;-) Either by using a old version of Cygwin (there 
are instructions how to find them), by installing a stand-alone "dd" for 
Windows, whatever.


Christian



http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
I like this one, used to copy disc images to sd cards.
Ben. Windows 7

Re: IBM lifting tool

[Steve Malikoff via cctalk]

Evan said
> While I'm on a roll, I saw this one randomly also - seems to have been a 
> topic of interest to the list not long ago?
> It's a bit short & limited in terms of load but might suit someone
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-ES-3090-PROCESSOR-COMPLEX-SERVER-RACK-LIFT-TOOL-DOLLY-LOCAL-PICKUP-IN-CA/302740671139?hash=item467cc00aa3:g:idUAAOSw-YZa~D-D
> [https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/302740671139-0-1/s-l1000.jpg]
> IBM ES/3090 PROCESSOR COMPLEX SERVER RACK LIFT TOOL DOLLY LOCAL PICKUP IN CA 
> | 
> eBay
> Used condition server rack lift dolly. Used to lift servers up and down for 
> installation/ servicing of servers. Capable of lifting 200 pounds. In good 
> working condition. LOCAL PICKUP ONLY IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
> www.ebay.com

Wow..! that is a _really_ nice lifting dolly, looks like it folds up as well. 
You're right, we discussed these
types of units a while ago, and I bodged together my PDP-Lifter 
http://web.aanet.com.au/~malikoff/pdp11/PDP-Lifter/
which I used last weekend to speedily lift a rather heavy Kennedy tape unit to 
the top of an H960 with barely any effort.
I looked for rack equipment lifting gear at the time but never saw anything 
like this. I'd say it was well worth it
for the personal safety improvement alone.

Steve

11/93 rebuild - Project Suspended - PC died

[Rod Smallwood via cctalk]

The Acer PC I was using to write the image to the SCSI drive has gone kaput.

Clearly PSU (not plugtop  mains fuse).

Its a non standard PSU and no schematic available.

Fall back is to get one of the SLU's (other than the console) on the 
KDJ11-E going and TU58 it.



Rod


--

Re: Abandoned FACOM system in Italy?

[Adrian Stoness via cctalk]

gues just need to pop in that place in germany and take their tiles and
plop them in lol


On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 2:42 PM Jason T via cctalk 
wrote:

> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:32 AM Evan Linwood via cctalk
>  wrote:
> > The most interesting section is from 14:14:
> > https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrx1tK5xcAk
>
> I like how they stole all the raised floor tiles except those with
> 1000lbs of tape drive on them, making extraction of those drives extra
> impossible.
>

Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 5/27/19 9:58 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
> Hi
> 
>      Whilst I wait to hear from Glen Slick who has got me this far 
> (Thanks Glen) I'll restate the problem.
> 
> 1. I now have an old XP system with SIMH on it (PDP11.exe)
> 
> 2.  I have created RD54.dsk containing RSTS/E
> 
> 3. Attached to the system is a 2.1Gb SCSI drive via an adaptec 2940 
> controller
> 
> 4. I need a tried and tested list of step by step instructions to put 
> RD54.dsk on the SCSI drive.
> 
> 5. The drive will then be moved to a CQD-220A/TM SCSI controller on my 
> KDJ11-E based 11/93 and must boot.
> 
> 6. Its just an image copy from one drive to another on the same system.
> 
> 7. Nobody has come up with a tried and tested list of step by step 
> instructions yet.
> 
> 
> Rod Smallwood
> 
> 

Depends on what you mean by tried and tested.

I told you to use Ersatz-11 and buld the image directly
on the SCSI drive.  Ersatz-11 works fine under FreeDOS.
Disks are cheap so you just make a different disk for
your system.  I have used this method to make RT-11, RSTS/E
and BSD-211 systems disks that successfully boot and run
on my 11/93 with the CQD-220A/TM controller.

You could probably boot your image under Ersatz-11 and then
copy it to the SCSI but the  method above works just as well.

bill

Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 5/27/19 4:56 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2019, Rod Smallwood wrote:
>>   On an old XP box?  er neither will run
> 
> My reply was meant as a hint. You should be able to find a dd-like tool 
> for Windows yourself ;-) Either by using a old version of Cygwin (there 
> are instructions how to find them), by installing a stand-alone "dd" for 
> Windows, whatever.
> 
> Christian

Or build a disk with FreeDOS and Ersatz-11.  Disks today
are cheap.

bill

Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[Bill Gunshannon via cctalk]

On 5/27/19 4:30 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
> Hi
> 
>    On an old XP box?  er neither will run
> 
> Rod
> 
> 
> On 27/05/2019 08:25, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
>> # dd if=RD54.dsk of=/dev/sda  [or whatever the device name is]
>>
>> Oh, you said Windows... I'd recommend installing Cygwin ;-)
> 


Why would Cygwin not run?  I ran it on dozens of XP boxes.

bill

Re: Abandoned FACOM system in Italy?

[Jason T via cctalk]

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:32 AM Evan Linwood via cctalk
 wrote:
> The most interesting section is from 14:14:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrx1tK5xcAk

I like how they stole all the raised floor tiles except those with
1000lbs of tape drive on them, making extraction of those drives extra
impossible.

Re: Abandoned FACOM system in Italy?

[Adrian Graham via cctalk]

> On 27 May 2019, at 20:18, Jason T via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:32 AM Evan Linwood via cctalk
>  wrote:
>> There doesn't seem to be mention of any recovery effort in the comments 
>> (that I could see).
>> The most interesting section is from 14:14:
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrx1tK5xcAk
> 
> Oof, 5:30 is a tragic sight for any IBM terminal fan.


Or just any fan of old kit, my heart absolutely sank watching that.

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Re: Abandoned FACOM system in Italy?

[Jason T via cctalk]

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 7:32 AM Evan Linwood via cctalk
 wrote:
> There doesn't seem to be mention of any recovery effort in the comments (that 
> I could see).
> The most interesting section is from 14:14:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrx1tK5xcAk

Oof, 5:30 is a tragic sight for any IBM terminal fan.

Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 11:26 AM Paul Koning  wrote:
>
> Looks like f$cvtime is failing, that's presumably a Y2K issue.
>
> > $ File = F$Left(Today, 2) + F$Mid(Today, 4, 2) + F$Right(Today, 7)
> > $ File = F$Left(Today, 2) + F$Mid(Today, 4, 2) + F$Right(Today, 7)
> >^
> > ?Undefined symbol
>
> "today" is undefined because the previous line was supposed to define it but 
> failed.
>
> > $ _if F$Search("OMS$:REQLOG.OMS") .nes. "" Then -
> > Continue:   _Rename/NoWarn OMS$:REQLOG.OMS 'File'
> > $ _if F$Search("OMS$:REQLOG.OMS") .nes. "" Then _Rename/NoWarn
> > OMS$:REQLOG.OMS 'File'
> >
> >  ^
> > ?Undefined symbol
>
> "file" is undefined because the line that defined it got an error.
>
> So it looks like an error cascade started with a Y2K bug.  You might try 
> starting with a 20th century date like 1999, I'd expect it to be clean then.
>
> paul
>

Changing the date to 1999 before startup did resolve the issues.


RSTS V10.0-L RSTS   (DU0) INIT V10.0-0L

;9.05.27 11:33

Start timesharing?  NO

Option:  DATE

Today's date? <;9.05.27> 99.5.27

Current time? <11:34>

Option: 

Disk is being rebuilt - wait ...

99.05.27 11:34
Proceed with system startup? 

 Beginning RSTS/E system startup...
99.05.27  11:34  Installing monitor overlays
99.05.27  11:34  Mounting disks
99.05.27  11:34  Assigning logical names
99.05.27  11:34  Starting error logging
99.05.27  11:34  Setting system characteristics
27-May-99 11:34 AM   Installing run-time systems and libraries
27-May-99 11:34 AM   Starting Operator/Message Services

>>>  OMS V10.0-K  27-May-99 11:34 AM  <<<
Message 1 from OMS, user [1,2], Detached, job 3
Starting Operator/Message Services
27-May-99 11:34 AM   Setting terminal characteristics
27-May-99 11:34 AM   Defining system commands
27-May-99 11:34 AM   Setting printer characteristics
27-May-99 11:34 AM   Starting spoolers

*** From [1,2] on KB0: at 11:34 AM 27-May-99
** RSTS/E is on the air...

>>>  OMS V10.0-K  27-May-99 11:34 AM  <<<
Message 2 from user [1,2] on _KB0:, job 2
The system startup is complete

Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On May 27, 2019, at 2:15 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 10:37 AM Paul Koning  wrote:
>> 
>>> Proceed with system startup? 
>>> 
>>> Beginning RSTS/E system startup...
>>> 19.05.27  09:50  Installing monitor overlays
>>> 19.05.27  09:50  Mounting disks
>>> 19.05.27  09:50  Assigning logical names
>>> 19.05.27  09:50  Starting error logging
>>> 19.05.27  09:50  Setting system characteristics
>>> 27-May-19 09:50 AM   Installing run-time systems and libraries
>>> 27-May-19 09:50 AM   Starting Operator/Message Services
>>> ?Invalid time
>>> ?Undefined symbol
>>> ?Undefined symbol
>> 
>> This says there's some stuff in your start.com that RSTS is not happy with, 
>> but it's not clear what that might be.  It doesn't seem to cause any real 
>> problems.
>> 
> 
> It appears that the first two errors are related to a Y2K issue.
> 
> The third error appears to be related to "OMS$:REQLOG.OMS". I barely
> know my way around RSTS/E and don't know what that might be without
> further investigation.
> 
> From start.log:
> 
> $ ! *** Start Operator/Message Services ***
> $ !
> $ OMS_ON := FALSE
> $ _write 0 f$time()+ "   Starting Operator/Message Services"
> 27-May-19 11:04 AM   Starting Operator/Message Services
> $ Today = F$Left(F$CVTime(), 8)
> $ Today = F$Left(F$CVTime(), 8)
> ?Invalid time

Looks like f$cvtime is failing, that's presumably a Y2K issue.

> $ File = F$Left(Today, 2) + F$Mid(Today, 4, 2) + F$Right(Today, 7)
> $ File = F$Left(Today, 2) + F$Mid(Today, 4, 2) + F$Right(Today, 7)
>^
> ?Undefined symbol

"today" is undefined because the previous line was supposed to define it but 
failed.

> $ _if F$Search("OMS$:REQLOG.OMS") .nes. "" Then -
> Continue:   _Rename/NoWarn OMS$:REQLOG.OMS 'File'
> $ _if F$Search("OMS$:REQLOG.OMS") .nes. "" Then _Rename/NoWarn
> OMS$:REQLOG.OMS 'File'
> 
>  ^
> ?Undefined symbol

"file" is undefined because the line that defined it got an error.

So it looks like an error cascade started with a Y2K bug.  You might try 
starting with a 20th century date like 1999, I'd expect it to be clean then.

paul

Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 10:37 AM Paul Koning  wrote:
>
> > Proceed with system startup? 
> >
> > Beginning RSTS/E system startup...
> > 19.05.27  09:50  Installing monitor overlays
> > 19.05.27  09:50  Mounting disks
> > 19.05.27  09:50  Assigning logical names
> > 19.05.27  09:50  Starting error logging
> > 19.05.27  09:50  Setting system characteristics
> > 27-May-19 09:50 AM   Installing run-time systems and libraries
> > 27-May-19 09:50 AM   Starting Operator/Message Services
> > ?Invalid time
> > ?Undefined symbol
> > ?Undefined symbol
>
> This says there's some stuff in your start.com that RSTS is not happy with, 
> but it's not clear what that might be.  It doesn't seem to cause any real 
> problems.
>

It appears that the first two errors are related to a Y2K issue.

The third error appears to be related to "OMS$:REQLOG.OMS". I barely
know my way around RSTS/E and don't know what that might be without
further investigation.

>From start.log:

$ ! *** Start Operator/Message Services ***
$ !
$ OMS_ON := FALSE
$ _write 0 f$time()+ "   Starting Operator/Message Services"
27-May-19 11:04 AM   Starting Operator/Message Services
$ Today = F$Left(F$CVTime(), 8)
$ Today = F$Left(F$CVTime(), 8)
?Invalid time
$ File = F$Left(Today, 2) + F$Mid(Today, 4, 2) + F$Right(Today, 7)
$ File = F$Left(Today, 2) + F$Mid(Today, 4, 2) + F$Right(Today, 7)
^
?Undefined symbol
$ _if F$Search("OMS$:REQLOG.OMS") .nes. "" Then -
Continue:   _Rename/NoWarn OMS$:REQLOG.OMS 'File'
$ _if F$Search("OMS$:REQLOG.OMS") .nes. "" Then _Rename/NoWarn
OMS$:REQLOG.OMS 'File'

  ^
?Undefined symbol

Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 10:37 AM Paul Koning  wrote:
>
> > RSTS V10.0-L RSTS   (DU0) INIT V10.0-0L
> >
> >
> > Today's date? 19.5.27
> >
> > Current time? 9:50
> >
> > ...
> > ;9.05.27 09:50
>
> Hm, Y2K bug in that version?
>

It was installed from the RSTS/E 10.0 tape image that recently
(2019-05-09) appeared on Bitsavers:

http://www.bitsavers.org/bits/DEC/pdp11/rsts/RSTS_V10.ZIP

I have installed from a RSTS/E 10.1 tape image in the past and I seem
to remember it being more Y2K friendly. I used the Bitsavers 10.0 tape
image as an example here because the 10.1 tape image source that I
previously used was not public at the time to provide a link.

> > Proceed with system startup? 
> >
> > Beginning RSTS/E system startup...
> > 19.05.27  09:50  Installing monitor overlays
> > 19.05.27  09:50  Mounting disks
> > 19.05.27  09:50  Assigning logical names
> > 19.05.27  09:50  Starting error logging
> > 19.05.27  09:50  Setting system characteristics
> > 27-May-19 09:50 AM   Installing run-time systems and libraries
> > 27-May-19 09:50 AM   Starting Operator/Message Services
> > ?Invalid time
> > ?Undefined symbol
> > ?Undefined symbol
>
> This says there's some stuff in your start.com that RSTS is not happy with, 
> but it's not clear what that might be.  It doesn't seem to cause any real 
> problems.
>

Yeah, those messages bug me slightly and I should try to figure out
what they mean. I don't remember seeing those when I used a 10.1
install. I just wanted to get this example out there for Rod now, and
worry about clean up issues later.

Thanks.

Re: M7264 Troubleshooting

[Mister PDP via cctalk]

I took a look at all the lines you mentioned. BDAL3-13, BDIN, BSYNC, and
BBS7 are all active and jump around in some manner. BRPLY is still the only
line that does not have any activity on it. None of the BDAL lines seem
shorted to ground or to each other. My DLV11-J is configured to essentially
factory settings (J3 set as console, 8 bits no parity) except for the fact
that J3 is at 9.6k baud instead of 300, the address jumpers are exactly the
same as the one you provided.

On Sun, May 26, 2019 at 6:35 PM Noel Chiappa 
wrote:

> Hey, I owe you replies to about a zillion emails; been busy, I'll
> try and get to them tomorrow. A few quick things:
>
>
> > My M8043 (DLV11-J) just arrived today.
>
> Here are the jumpers on mine, which I just pulled from a working system,
> so you can compare and make sure you have them correct:
>
>  A5 L
>  A9 L
>  A12C
>  A10C
>  A11C
>  A8 C
>  C2 C
>  C1 C
>
> Key:L = jumper from left post to right (component side up, gold pads
> at bottom)
> C = jumper from center post to right
>
>  A6 I
>  A7 R
>
> I = Insert, R = Remove
>
>  B-X-H  X-H
>
> I have left out the vectors jumpers, since ODT doesn't use interrupts, and
> the line config jumpers (their setting shouldn't have any effect on the
> ability of the board to respond to ODT).
>
>
> > I have a hard time imagining that both my M8017 and my M8043 are
> > bad, but it could still be possible.
>
> Well, I did mention that the CPU board could have a fault causing it to
> put out a bad address for the console; the other likely cause is that
> both consoles are bad. Not sure which is the most likely.
>
> The blunt hammer debugging technique is to look at the address being put
> out on the bus; you'll need to look at BDAL3-12 and BBS7 (sort of an AND
> of all the high address bits, so devices should work on Q16, Q18 and Q22;
> in fact, the manual says that device should look at BBS7, and hot BDA13
> and up). Best to use a 'scope so you can see what the waveforms look like.
> This is slow and painful, but will allow precise, definitive diagnosis.
>
> If the address is good, look also at BDIN. If that's toggling, it's the
> consoles. Otherwise, CPU issue,which we'll delve into once the data
> points definitively.
>
> Noel
>

Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On May 27, 2019, at 1:23 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> ...
> Then boot from DU0, and if everything worked along the way it should
> just work. Assuming it boots OK into RSTS/E 10.0, use the SHOW DISK
> command to verify that the reported disk size is the expected 311200
> blocks.

Nice.

You can run the file system checker -- in INIT, to the "start timesharing" 
prompt, answer "refresh", then  for the system disk, and when asked 
"Rebuild" say yes.  It should complete with no complaints.


> The output below is booting from the SCSI disk on a KDJ11-D 11/53.
> 
> 9 8 7 6 5 4 3 2 1
> 
> Commands are Help, Boot, List, Map, Test and Wrap.
> Type a command then press the RETURN key: BOOT DU0
> 
> 
> DU0
> 
> RSTS V10.0-L RSTS   (DU0) INIT V10.0-0L
> 
> 
> Today's date? 19.5.27
> 
> Current time? 9:50
> 
> ...
> ;9.05.27 09:50

Hm, Y2K bug in that version?

> Proceed with system startup? 
> 
> Beginning RSTS/E system startup...
> 19.05.27  09:50  Installing monitor overlays
> 19.05.27  09:50  Mounting disks
> 19.05.27  09:50  Assigning logical names
> 19.05.27  09:50  Starting error logging
> 19.05.27  09:50  Setting system characteristics
> 27-May-19 09:50 AM   Installing run-time systems and libraries
> 27-May-19 09:50 AM   Starting Operator/Message Services
> ?Invalid time
> ?Undefined symbol
> ?Undefined symbol

This says there's some stuff in your start.com that RSTS is not happy with, but 
it's not clear what that might be.  It doesn't seem to cause any real problems.

paul

Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 6:58 AM Rod Smallwood via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>  Whilst I wait to hear from Glen Slick who has got me this far
> (Thanks Glen) I'll restate the problem.
>
> 1. I now have an old XP system with SIMH on it (PDP11.exe)
>
> 2.  I have created RD54.dsk containing RSTS/E
>
> 3. Attached to the system is a 2.1Gb SCSI drive via an adaptec 2940
> controller
>
> 4. I need a tried and tested list of step by step instructions to put
> RD54.dsk on the SCSI drive.
>
> 5. The drive will then be moved to a CQD-220A/TM SCSI controller on my
> KDJ11-E based 11/93 and must boot.
>
> 6. Its just an image copy from one drive to another on the same system.
>
> 7. Nobody has come up with a tried and tested list of step by step
> instructions yet.

After using sg3_utils sg_format to resize the capacity of the the SCSI
drive to match the size of the RD54 disk image, you can the use
something equivalent to 'dd' to copy the RD54 disk image to the SCSI
drive. On a Windows system I use a simple utility I wrote myself years
ago. I will send Rod a copy of that directly off list. Similar
utilities can be found online if you search around. I haven't found
any that I will recommend myself.

After the RD54 disk image has been copied to the physical SCSI drive
on your Windows system, move it over to the PDP-11/93 system with the
CMD CQD-220 controller. Use the CQD-220 firmware utilities to check
that the SCSI drive is recognized and configured as a single DU unit.
It might be a good idea to use the 'Z' configuration option to reset
the controller to the default settings. The output below was from a
CQD-220. The firmware on your CQD-220A may differ slightly with more
options, but it is the same general idea.

SCSI HOST ADAPTER UTILITY  (REV. A8)

[ DISK ]: [ TAPE ]
   1 = LOGICAL UNIT NUMBER OFFSET   :6 = LOGICAL UNIT NUMBER OFFSET
   2 = FORMAT DRIVE :7 = ADDITIONAL UTILITIES
   3 = QUALIFY DRIVE:
   4 = MANUALLY REPLACE BAD BLOCKS  :
   5 = ADDITIONAL UTILITIES :

SELECT OPTION ?   5

ADDITIONAL UTILITIES  (REV. A8)SN = 9478

   D = DISPLAY SCSI DEVICE & SETUP CONFIGURATION
   S = SEND SCSI COMMAND TO THE DEVICE
   T = TEST SCSI DEVICE
   R = FORMAT RCT BLOCK

SELECT OPTION ?  D

CURRENT CONFIGURATION :

DEV0: DU0  SCSI ID 0  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV1: DU1  SCSI ID 1  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV2: DU2  SCSI ID 2  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV3: DU3  SCSI ID 3  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV4: MU0  SCSI ID 4  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Buffer Mode ON,
DEV5: MU1  SCSI ID 5  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Buffer Mode ON,
DEV6: MU2  SCSI ID 6  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Buffer Mode ON,
DEV7  SCSI ID 7  HOST ADAPTER, SCSI Reset ON,Density Mode ON,
CHANGE CONFIGURATION ? (Y/N) Y
  R = Toggle SCSI Reset,  M = Toggle Density Mode
  D = Toggle Disconnect,  B = Toggle Buffer Mode (Tape only)
  S = Toggle Sync/Async,  W = Toggle Write w/Verify (Disk only)
  C = Reconfigure Device, P = Toggle Prevent Medium Removal
  T = Reset All Device Modes to Default
  Z = Reset Controller to Default Configuration

SELECT OPTION ?  Z
DEV0: DU0  SCSI ID 0  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV1: DU1  SCSI ID 1  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV2: DU2  SCSI ID 2  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV3: DU3  SCSI ID 3  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV4: MU0  SCSI ID 4  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Buffer Mode ON,
DEV5: MU1  SCSI ID 5  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Buffer Mode ON,
DEV6: MU2  SCSI ID 6  LUN 0
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Buffer Mode ON,
DEV7  SCSI ID 7  HOST ADAPTER, SCSI Reset ON,Density Mode ON,
CHANGE CONFIGURATION ? (Y/N) N

SCANNING SCSI DEVICES ATTACHED ...

DEV0: DU0  SCSI ID 0  LUN 0  COMPAQPCDDRS-39130W S99C
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV1: DU1  SCSI ID 1  LUN 0  OFFLINE
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV2: DU2  SCSI ID 2  LUN 0  OFFLINE
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV3: DU3  SCSI ID 3  LUN 0  OFFLINE
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Write W/Verify OFF,
DEV4: MU0  SCSI ID 4  LUN 0  OFFLINE
  Disconnect ON,Sync Mode ON,Prevent Medium Removal ON,Buffer Mode ON,
DEV5: MU1  SCSI ID 5  LUN 0  OFFLINE

Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On May 27, 2019, at 12:14 PM, Holm Tiffe via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> Hi
>> 
>> Whilst I wait to hear from Glen Slick who has got me this far 
>> (Thanks Glen) I'll restate the problem.
>> 
>> 1. I now have an old XP system with SIMH on it (PDP11.exe)
>> 
>> 2.  I have created RD54.dsk containing RSTS/E
>> 
>> 3. Attached to the system is a 2.1Gb SCSI drive via an adaptec 2940 
>> controller
>> 
>> 4. I need a tried and tested list of step by step instructions to put 
>> RD54.dsk on the SCSI drive.
>> 
>> 5. The drive will then be moved to a CQD-220A/TM SCSI controller on my 
>> KDJ11-E based 11/93 and must boot.
>> 
>> 6. Its just an image copy from one drive to another on the same system.
>> 
>> 7. Nobody has come up with a tried and tested list of step by step 
>> instructions yet.
>> 
>> 
>> Rod Smallwood
>> 
> 
> I don't think that you have any chance to get that to work, since the
> data structures on the floppy disk will be different to that needed
> structure on the scsi disk. As far as I know the controllers put some
> kind of partitioning information to the disks too...

Floppy?  I don't see that mentioned.

RSTS can handle image copies without trouble if the sizes match, or if 
destination is slightly bigger.

Partitions -- there is no such thing on RSTS.

Writing disks is no problem if you have a program that can write raw block 
devies, and an OS that lets you do this.  Sufficiently old Windows can do this 
via the BIOS I/O machinery; I've done it for RX50 floppies though not for hard 
drives (don't have any).

RX50 floppies do have two complications: 10 sectors per track rather than the 
PC standard 9, and a sector layout with interleaving and track skew.  It's not 
hard to deal with this in software once you have the details reverse 
engineered.  FLX does this, it's how I've created PRO boot floppies on my PC.

paul

Re: HP/UX 8 and hosts vs DNS

[Paul Berger via cctalk]

Yes SMIT is an AIX system management utility first introduced with AIX 
for RS/6000 Ver 3, start with HPUX 10 HP did however include Logical 
Volume Manager (LVM) which was also introduced in AIX 3.0


Paul.

On 2019-05-27 1:23 p.m., Grant Taylor via cctalk wrote:

On 5/27/19 3:05 AM, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote:

HPUX 8 has smit, doesn't it ?


Do you mean "sam"?

I thought "smit(ty)" was AIX's counterpart to HP-UX's "sam".

Re: HP/UX 8 and hosts vs DNS

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 5/26/19 11:25 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:
Irrelevant here, because it's a BIND 4 server on the other end too 
(on purpose since I have other older systems that need it). HP/UX 8 
is also BIND 4.


ACK

That's an interesting idea, but I'm not sure when to do this. By the 
time I actually get a root prompt, nslookup says it's already checking 
hosts and refuses to do otherwise.


I have no idea what sort of sniffers exist(ed) for HP-UX.  But based on 
timing, it sounds like you need something off box.


I keep an old hub around just for things like this.  Machine in 
question, uplink, and the sniffer.  Then I start tcpdump or wireshark on 
the sniffer before booting the machine in question.


I've learned to trust the bits on the wire.  At least until I have 
something to suggest that they are corrupted.




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Re: HP/UX 8 and hosts vs DNS

[Grant Taylor via cctalk]

On 5/27/19 3:05 AM, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote:

HPUX 8 has smit, doesn't it ?


Do you mean "sam"?

I thought "smit(ty)" was AIX's counterpart to HP-UX's "sam".



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Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Mon, May 27, 2019 at 6:58 AM Rod Smallwood via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> Hi
>
>  Whilst I wait to hear from Glen Slick who has got me this far
> (Thanks Glen) I'll restate the problem.
>
> 1. I now have an old XP system with SIMH on it (PDP11.exe)
>
> 2.  I have created RD54.dsk containing RSTS/E
>
> 3. Attached to the system is a 2.1Gb SCSI drive via an adaptec 2940
> controller
>
> 4. I need a tried and tested list of step by step instructions to put
> RD54.dsk on the SCSI drive.
>
> 5. The drive will then be moved to a CQD-220A/TM SCSI controller on my
> KDJ11-E based 11/93 and must boot.
>
> 6. Its just an image copy from one drive to another on the same system.
>
> 7. Nobody has come up with a tried and tested list of step by step
> instructions yet.

OK, now that you have an RD54 disk image and a 2GB SCSI drive attached
to an Adaptec 2940 controller on a Windows XP system, the first thing
I would do is resize the capacity of the 2GB SCSI drive to match the
capacity of an RD54 drive.

To do that, I would download sg3_utils ( http://sg.danny.cz/sg/sg3_utils.html ).

Specifically I would download version 1.37 of the Windows binaries here:
http://sg.danny.cz/sg/p/sg3_utils-1.37exe.zip

The current version is 1.44, which I have not tried yet. The last time
I tried version 1.42 I had some issues so I went back to version 1.37
so that I what I suggest for now.

The RD54 disk image that was previously created has a block size of
311,200 and a byte size of 159,334,400.

The goal in this step is to resize the capacity of the SCSI drive so
that when it is attached to CMD CQD-220, the capacity of the drive as
reported through the MSCP interface will match that of the RD54 disk
image. What I have observed with the CMD CQD-220 controllers that I
have is that they report a capacity of 2 blocks smaller through the
MSCP interface than the SCSI drive reports. That is with the CMD
CQD-220 controller reset to default settings of a single unit for the
drive, not split into 2 or 4 units.

So the SCSI drive should report a capacity of 311,202 (311,200 + 2)
blocks in this case.

With the sg3_utils-1.37 binaries download and extracted on your
Windows XP system with the 2GB SCSI drive connected to the AHA-2940
controller, you could do this:

// Use sg_scan to see what drives are attached. In this example
physical drive "PD1" is the target drive. This will vary depending on
the configuration of your system. Find the physical drive name entry
that matches your target drive.

C:\sg3_utils-1.37>sg_scan
PD0 [C] HDS728040PLAT20  PF1OA21B
PD1 COMPAQPC  DDRS-39130W   S99C
CDROM0  [Z] TEAC CD-224E  1.7A

// Use sg_inq to send a SCSI Inquiry command to the physical drive to
verify that the vendor and product information seems correct for the
target drive. If you don't want to be making changes to the wrong
drive.

C:\sg3_utils-1.37>sg_inq pd1
standard INQUIRY:
  PQual=0  Device_type=0  RMB=0  version=0x02  [SCSI-2]
  [AERC=0]  [TrmTsk=0]  NormACA=0  HiSUP=0  Resp_data_format=2
  SCCS=0  ACC=0  TPGS=0  3PC=0  Protect=0  [BQue=0]
  EncServ=0  MultiP=0  [MChngr=0]  [ACKREQQ=0]  Addr16=0
  [RelAdr=0]  WBus16=1  Sync=1  Linked=1  [TranDis=0]  CmdQue=1
  [SPI: Clocking=0x0  QAS=0  IUS=0]
length=164 (0xa4)   Peripheral device type: disk
 Vendor identification: COMPAQPC
 Product identification: DDRS-39130W
 Product revision level: S99C
 Unit serial number: REGA0360

// Use sg_readcap to send a SCSI Read Capacity command to the physical
drive. Make a note of the current number of blocks and write that down
in case you might want to return the drive to its native capacity
sometime later.

C:\sg3_utils-1.37>sg_readcap pd1
Read Capacity results:
   Last logical block address=17773499 (0x10f33bb), Number of blocks=17773500
   Logical block length=512 bytes
Hence:
   Device size: 9100032000 bytes, 8678.47 MiB, 9.10003 GB

 // Ok, now time to actually use sg_format --resize to change the
reported capacity of the drive. The --resize option does not do a low
level format of the drive. It uses a SCSI Mode Select command to
change the capacity of the drive as reported by a SCSI Read Capacity
command. Here the block count is 311,202 (311,200 + 2) blocks.

C:\sg3_utils-1.37>sg_format --count=311202 --resize --verbose pd1
inquiry cdb: 12 00 00 00 24 00
COMPAQPC  DDRS-39130W   S99C   peripheral_type: disk [0x0]
  PROTECT=0
mode sense (10) cdb: 5a 00 01 00 00 00 00 00 fc 00
mode sense (10): pass-through requested 252 bytes but got 28 bytes
Mode Sense (block descriptor) data, prior to changes:
  Number of blocks=17773500 [0x10f33bc]
  Block size=512 [0x200]
mode select (10) cdb: 55 11 00 00 00 00 00 00 1c 00
Resize operation seems to have been successful

// Use sg_readcap again to verify that the change took effect as
desired. The new disk size of 159,335,424 bytes is 1024 (2 blocks)
larger than the disk image size 159,334,400

C:\sg3_utils-1.37>sg_readcap pd1
Read Capacity results:
   Last logical 

Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Holm Tiffe via cctalk]

Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote:

> > From: Rod Smallwood
> 
> > 4. I need a tried and tested list of step by step instructions to
> > put RD54.dsk on the SCSI drive.
> 
> Well, this isn't a list of directions, but... I've had good luck doing
> almost this exact same thing (on a Windows XP box, copy a filesystem in
> Windoze file onto a device, in my case an SD card on a USB adapter) with
> 'dd for Windows', available here:
> 
>   http://www.chrysocome.net/dd
> 
> The command line I've worked out to use is:
> 
>   dd-removable if=UnixRoot of=\\?\Device\Harddisk2\Partition0 count=4872 
> seek=131072
> 
> I don't recall the exact procedure I used to generate that, but I'm pretty
> sure it involved the use of the "--list" command to 'dd', to get a list of
> the devices on the system. (The "4872" is the size of the RK pack,
> obviously.)
> 
> I'm using dd-0.6beta3.zip but there may be a later version that works too.
> 
>   Noel

You have to have an already existing parition structure on the disk and
an OS that knows what todo with that.
There is no way that Ron could boot his PDP this way.

Regards,
Holm

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Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Holm Tiffe via cctalk]

Rod Smallwood via cctalk wrote:

> Hi
> 
>      Whilst I wait to hear from Glen Slick who has got me this far 
> (Thanks Glen) I'll restate the problem.
> 
> 1. I now have an old XP system with SIMH on it (PDP11.exe)
> 
> 2.  I have created RD54.dsk containing RSTS/E
> 
> 3. Attached to the system is a 2.1Gb SCSI drive via an adaptec 2940 
> controller
> 
> 4. I need a tried and tested list of step by step instructions to put 
> RD54.dsk on the SCSI drive.
> 
> 5. The drive will then be moved to a CQD-220A/TM SCSI controller on my 
> KDJ11-E based 11/93 and must boot.
> 
> 6. Its just an image copy from one drive to another on the same system.
> 
> 7. Nobody has come up with a tried and tested list of step by step 
> instructions yet.
> 
> 
> Rod Smallwood
> 

I don't think that you have any chance to get that to work, since the
data structures on the floppy disk will be different to that needed
structure on the scsi disk. As far as I know the controllers put some
kind of partitioning information to the disks too...

I've installed different PDP11 Os'es from simh to the real
pdp11/(53,73,83) using simh's tape interface writing boot tapes.
I've converted the simh's tape file with my own utility to an qarter
inch tape connected to an Tandberg SLR5 to my FreeBSD box. as far as I
know in the meantime there exists an utility similar to mine that could
write out tapes from a tape file.

I've connected another SLR5 drive to the PDP11 box with an Emulex UC08,
Im sure that will work on the CQD220 too.
An Tandberg SLR5 and Tapes should be easy to et on ebay.

I've installed RT11, RSX11, XXDP and 2.11BSD this way.

Regards,

Holm
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Re: 11/93 rebuild

[Noel Chiappa via cctalk]

> From: Rod Smallwood

> 4. I need a tried and tested list of step by step instructions to
> put RD54.dsk on the SCSI drive.

Well, this isn't a list of directions, but... I've had good luck doing
almost this exact same thing (on a Windows XP box, copy a filesystem in
Windoze file onto a device, in my case an SD card on a USB adapter) with
'dd for Windows', available here:

  http://www.chrysocome.net/dd

The command line I've worked out to use is:

  dd-removable if=UnixRoot of=\\?\Device\Harddisk2\Partition0 count=4872 
seek=131072

I don't recall the exact procedure I used to generate that, but I'm pretty
sure it involved the use of the "--list" command to 'dd', to get a list of
the devices on the system. (The "4872" is the size of the RK pack,
obviously.)

I'm using dd-0.6beta3.zip but there may be a later version that works too.

Noel

11/93 rebuild

[Rod Smallwood via cctalk]

Hi

    Whilst I wait to hear from Glen Slick who has got me this far 
(Thanks Glen) I'll restate the problem.


1. I now have an old XP system with SIMH on it (PDP11.exe)

2.  I have created RD54.dsk containing RSTS/E

3. Attached to the system is a 2.1Gb SCSI drive via an adaptec 2940 
controller


4. I need a tried and tested list of step by step instructions to put 
RD54.dsk on the SCSI drive.


5. The drive will then be moved to a CQD-220A/TM SCSI controller on my 
KDJ11-E based 11/93 and must boot.


6. Its just an image copy from one drive to another on the same system.

7. Nobody has come up with a tried and tested list of step by step 
instructions yet.



Rod Smallwood


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Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[W2HX via cctalk]

I would love it if anyone on this list who maintains a wiki for PDP-11's could 
collect all of the various methods and instructions. I am still far from ready 
to do things like this (moving images to a PDP) but it is in my future. I could 
go through all the emails in the archive on the subject (thats fine) but a wiki 
to go to where everything is consolidated would be enormously helpful


From: cctalk  on behalf of Paul Koning via 
cctalk 
Sent: Monday, May 27, 2019 9:03 AM
To: Rod Smallwood; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: 11/93 Rebuild

Or FLX.  FLX 2.6 uses DJGPP and runs on old stuff, possibly as far back as 
actual DOS and certainly should have no problem with XP.  It doesn't do image 
copy, though.  You could steal some of the code and make an image copy tool.  
Or you could use it to initialize the destination disk, copy all the files, and 
"hook" to write the boot block.

paul

> On May 27, 2019, at 5:25 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk  
> wrote:
>
> I think the answer may be PUTR but I'll wait and see what Glen says .. He's 
> been right so far.
>
> Rod
>
>
> On 27/05/2019 09:56, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 May 2019, Rod Smallwood wrote:
>>>   On an old XP box?  er neither will run
>>
>> My reply was meant as a hint. You should be able to find a dd-like tool for 
>> Windows yourself ;-) Either by using a old version of Cygwin (there are 
>> instructions how to find them), by installing a stand-alone "dd" for 
>> Windows, whatever.
>>
>> Christian
>
> --
>
>

Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

Or FLX.  FLX 2.6 uses DJGPP and runs on old stuff, possibly as far back as 
actual DOS and certainly should have no problem with XP.  It doesn't do image 
copy, though.  You could steal some of the code and make an image copy tool.  
Or you could use it to initialize the destination disk, copy all the files, and 
"hook" to write the boot block.

paul

> On May 27, 2019, at 5:25 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> I think the answer may be PUTR but I'll wait and see what Glen says .. He's 
> been right so far.
> 
> Rod
> 
> 
> On 27/05/2019 09:56, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 May 2019, Rod Smallwood wrote:
>>>   On an old XP box?  er neither will run
>> 
>> My reply was meant as a hint. You should be able to find a dd-like tool for 
>> Windows yourself ;-) Either by using a old version of Cygwin (there are 
>> instructions how to find them), by installing a stand-alone "dd" for 
>> Windows, whatever.
>> 
>> Christian
> 
> -- 
> 
> 

IBM lifting tool

[Evan Linwood via cctalk]

While I'm on a roll, I saw this one randomly also - seems to have been a topic 
of interest to the list not long ago?
It's a bit short & limited in terms of load but might suit someone
https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-ES-3090-PROCESSOR-COMPLEX-SERVER-RACK-LIFT-TOOL-DOLLY-LOCAL-PICKUP-IN-CA/302740671139?hash=item467cc00aa3:g:idUAAOSw-YZa~D-D
[https://i.ebayimg.com/images/i/302740671139-0-1/s-l1000.jpg]
IBM ES/3090 PROCESSOR COMPLEX SERVER RACK LIFT TOOL DOLLY LOCAL PICKUP IN CA | 
eBay
Used condition server rack lift dolly. Used to lift servers up and down for 
installation/ servicing of servers. Capable of lifting 200 pounds. In good 
working condition. LOCAL PICKUP ONLY IN SOUTHERN CALIFORNIA
www.ebay.com

Abandoned FACOM system in Italy?

[Evan Linwood via cctalk]

I'm guessing this could be known to others on the list, but I haven't seen it 
mentioned, so posting just in case.
There doesn't seem to be mention of any recovery effort in the comments (that I 
could see).
The most interesting section is from 14:14:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rrx1tK5xcAk
[https://www.bing.com/th?id=OVP.nmj3ysj3FfGgc8gP7yLUrAEsDh=Api]
Huge Abandoned Clothing Factory - Found Vintage 
Computers!
Go to https://NordVPN.com/properpeople and or use code PROPERPEOPLE to to get 
75% off a 3 year plan. Protect yourself online today! In this episode, we 
explore a massive textile factory that had offices filled with old computer 
equipment and waterlogged fabric samples. Broken Window Theory: 
https://www.youtube.com/brokenwindowtheoryurbex https ...
www.youtube.com

Modern BLISS compiler

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

This just came up on Fess Bouc. I did not know that it existed.

It's an LLVM-backed modern compiler for BLISS.

https://madisongh.github.io/blissc/

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RE: 11/93 Rebuild

[Dave Wade via cctalk]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Christian Corti
> via cctalk
> Sent: 27 May 2019 09:57
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> 
> Subject: Re: 11/93 Rebuild
> 
> On Mon, 27 May 2019, Rod Smallwood wrote:
> >   On an old XP box?  er neither will run
> 
> My reply was meant as a hint. You should be able to find a dd-like tool for
> Windows yourself ;-) Either by using a old version of Cygwin (there are
> instructions how to find them), by installing a stand-alone "dd" for Windows,
> whatever.
> 
> Christian

There are windows based, so GUI disk imaging tools for windows. I think I used 
WIN32DISKIMAGER las time I needed this.

https://sourceforge.net/projects/win32diskimager/

Dave

Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[Rod Smallwood via cctalk]

I think the answer may be PUTR but I'll wait and see what Glen says .. 
He's been right so far.


Rod


On 27/05/2019 09:56, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:

On Mon, 27 May 2019, Rod Smallwood wrote:

  On an old XP box?  er neither will run


My reply was meant as a hint. You should be able to find a dd-like 
tool for Windows yourself ;-) Either by using a old version of Cygwin 
(there are instructions how to find them), by installing a stand-alone 
"dd" for Windows, whatever.


Christian


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Re: HP/UX 8 and hosts vs DNS

[Stefan Skoglund via cctalk]

sön 2019-05-26 klockan 21:09 -0700 skrev Cameron Kaiser via cctalk:
> I've been doing more work on my 9000/350 now that I have actual space
> to
> do work on it in. Although the 10b2 is flaky, I can usually coax it
> to work.
> 
> However, the damn thing won't query DNS even though I have a
> populated
> /etc/resolv.conf. It can ping the name server, and if the name
> server's
> name is in /etc/hosts it will resolve it (and even telnet to it), but
> it
> won't talk to it for anything else.
> 
> I'm not as adept at HP/UX before 10.20 (my first experience with the
> OS),
> but I understand 8.0 "fails over" to /etc/hosts if it has some issues
> with
> DNS. Fine, but how can I get it to switch *back*? There's no
> /etc/nsswitch.conf
> and I don't think this version supports it anyway.


look for sam(8) i believe.

Re: HP/UX 8 and hosts vs DNS

[Stefan Skoglund via cctalk]

sön 2019-05-26 klockan 21:09 -0700 skrev Cameron Kaiser via cctalk:
> I've been doing more work on my 9000/350 now that I have actual space
> to
> do work on it in. Although the 10b2 is flaky, I can usually coax it
> to work.
> 

HPUX 8 has smit, doesn't it ?

I did some works with  HPUX almost 30 years ago but only used smit

Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Mon, 27 May 2019, Rod Smallwood wrote:

  On an old XP box?  er neither will run


My reply was meant as a hint. You should be able to find a dd-like tool 
for Windows yourself ;-) Either by using a old version of Cygwin (there 
are instructions how to find them), by installing a stand-alone "dd" for 
Windows, whatever.


Christian

Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[Joshua Rice via cctalk]

Same command will work from a linux live cd


> On May 27, 2019, at 9:30 AM, Rod Smallwood via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi
> 
>   On an old XP box?  er neither will run
> 
> Rod
> 
> 
> On 27/05/2019 08:25, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
>> # dd if=RD54.dsk of=/dev/sda  [or whatever the device name is]
>> 
>> Oh, you said Windows... I'd recommend installing Cygwin ;-)
> 
> -- 
> 
> 

Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[Rod Smallwood via cctalk]

Hi

  On an old XP box?  er neither will run

Rod


On 27/05/2019 08:25, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:

# dd if=RD54.dsk of=/dev/sda  [or whatever the device name is]

Oh, you said Windows... I'd recommend installing Cygwin ;-)


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Re: 11/93 Rebuild

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Mon, 27 May 2019, Rod Smallwood wrote:
 In addition to the normal IDE drive it has an additional SCSI controller 
and drive


  Using SIMH  I have created an image (RD54.dsk) containing a RSTS 
system.


 I am awaiting the final instructions as to how to copy the image to the 
SCSI drive in such a way I can connect it to the SCSI controller in the 11/93 
and have it boot.


# dd if=RD54.dsk of=/dev/sda  [or whatever the device name is]

Oh, you said Windows... I'd recommend installing Cygwin ;-)

Christian

11/93 Rebuild

[Rod Smallwood via cctalk]

Hi

  Thanks to Glen Slick I now have a old windows xp system running SIMH

 Its connected to my LAN so web and file access are OK

 In addition to the normal IDE drive it has an additional SCSI 
controller and drive


  Using SIMH  I have created an image (RD54.dsk) containing a RSTS 
system.


 I am awaiting the final instructions as to how to copy the image 
to the SCSI drive in such a way I can connect it to the SCSI controller 
in the 11/93 and have it boot.



Rod Smallwood



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Re: HP/UX 8 and hosts vs DNS

[Jerry Weiss via cctalk]

On 5/27/19 12:31 AM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:

I'm not as adept at HP/UX before 10.20 (my first experience with the OS),
but I understand 8.0 "fails over" to /etc/hosts if it has some issues with
DNS. Fine, but how can I get it to switch *back*? There's no
/etc/nsswitch.conf and I don't think this version supports it anyway.

 From https://docstore.mik.ua/orelly/networking_2ndEd/dns/ch06_04.htm

Before HP-UX 10.10, you could only use nsswitch.conf to configure the
order of resolution for the hosts source. From 10.10 on, you can also
use nsswitch.conf to configure resolution order for the services,
networks, protocols, rpc, and netgroup sources. hosts: dns
[NOTFOUND=return] nis [NOTFOUND=return] files"

Appreciated, but from the same resource,

"HP-UX 10.00 introduced Solaris's nsswitch.conf functionality"

so this won't apply to HP/UX 8.
It was available for in 9.x, but not at first first release.  It was 
introduced through patches.

I don't know if 8.x received the same/similar patches.