Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie
On 2020-01-02 9:58 p.m., Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote: >Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago. I assume that rural delivery still goes house-to-house. --Chuck
Large Batch of Macintosh (SE/II to iMac) RAM for Sale
Hello Fellow Vintage Computing Aficionados. I have a large batch of RAM specific to the Macintosh (from Mac II/SE series up through iMac). Please inquire about any of the listings below. I apologize if I did not provide enough information, please contact me for additional specifications. These modules have been carefully stored away in anti-static bags, and some are still sealed/old-new stock. Pricing is for single (1), double (2), or quadruple (2) sets of modules, plus shipping. Shipping can be included with orders of multiple sets. Added up the asking price for everything in this listing is $400. I'll take $300 for the entire batch and will give such a sale priority over individual sales. A more readable listing (in spreadsheet format) can be found here ==> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I53wxarLHlNmlPVf_HJ5oMKuab4zrApI_hiX0pNmy48/edit#gid=1529647969=70:70 Cubig 16MB 72-pin SIMM Sealed in anti-static bag. $6.00 Cubig 16MB 72-pin SIMM (2) 4X362S $12.00 Cubig 16MB 72-pin SIMM 4Mx36 $6.00 Fairchild 1MB 30-pin SIMM (2) 1Mx8 70ns $15.00 Hyundai 16MB 168-pin DIMM (2) HYM564224 AXG-60 $14.00 Hyundai 128MB PC-66 SDRAM HYM7V641601 TFG-10 $5.00 Kingston 128MB PC-100 SDRAM (2) KTA-G3100/128-CE $10.00 LG Semicon 4MB 72-pin SIMM (2) E71042 LG1; GMM7322000BN $10.00 Lifetime Memory 8MB 72-pin SIMM 10155A $5.00 Micron 128MB PC-100 SDRAM IH61959; PC100-222-620 $5.00 Mitsubishi 256K 72-pin SIMM (VRAM) 256Kx8; VRAM for Quadra 840av $12.00 Mitsubishi 4MB 30-pin SIMM (2) 4Mx8 $20.00 Mitsubishi 8MB 72-pin SIMM (2) 2MX32; MH12816AJ-8 $12.00 Mitsubishi 16MB 168-pin DIMM (2) 2Mx64 MH2M64CZPJ-6; MSAI AP168N9B-C $14.00 Motorola 1MB 72-pin SIMM MCM32256AS70, 256Kx32; for Macintosh LC 575 $6.00 Motorola 8MB 72-pin SIMM MCM32230SH60; 2MBx32 $6.00 NEC 8MB 168-pin DIMM (2) MC-421000AA64FB-70; 604 class $12.00 Panasonic 16MB 30-pin SIMM KJY-0364; 16X8-60; new in sealed anti-static pouch $10.00 RMR 16MB 72-pin SIMM (2) 4X32-60; sealed in anti-static bag $18.00 RMR 16MB 72-pin DIMM (2) HY5117400B 4Mx4 $15.00 RMR 32MB 168-pin DIMM 105174B; 604 class $7.00 SEC 32MB 168-pin DIMM KMM364E410BK-6; 604 class $5.00 Samsung 4MB 72-pin SIMM KMM5322000BV-6; for Quadra 840AV $6.00 Southland 32MB 72-pin SIMM (2) SGE 8X32T6 non-parity 60ns; in sealed anti-static bags in Southland container $20.00 Spectrum Engineering DT77 16MB 30-pin SIMM (4) 16MB modules for Macintosh II series $30.00 Spectrum Engineering DT77 16MB 30-pin SIMM (2) 16MB modules for Macintosh II series $18.00 Spectrum Engineering DT77 16MB 30-pin SIMM (1) 16MB modules for Macintosh II series $10.00 Spectrum DT220 4MB 30-pin SIMM (4) 4MB SIMM modules for Macintosh IIsi or IIc $30.00 Spectrum DT220 4MB 30-pin SIMM (2) 4MB SIMM modules for Macintosh IIsi or IIc $17.00 Spectrum DT220 4MB 30-pin SIMM (1) 4MB SIMM modules for Macintosh IIsi or IIc $9.00 TechWorks 4MB 30-pin SIMM (2) 4Mx8, 70ns; sealed in anti-static bags $15.00 TechWorks 16MB 72-pin SIMM 4x32-60 $6.00 Texas Instruments 4MB 72-pin SIMM (2) 1MX32 TM124BBK32U-70 $10.00 ZTECH 128MB PC-100 SDRAM KO-9013 KM44S16030CT-GL $5.00 Please contact me by e-mail to inquire. Thanks! Sellam
Re: Portlock Storage Manager?
Hi Benjamin, I was a Novell CNE for a longer time, and have started to work with NetWare 2.10 (non dedicated server) with the age of 15 in 1993. Have made my first real money with the migration of this NetWare 2.10 which was running on a small 80286 PC server to 3.12 on a Compaq SystemPro in 1994. Moved my last NetWare 6 Server in 2015 to OES and my last GroupWise system to Exchange in 2017. Portlock was a a tool I have used in the old days twice a month, but I think they have lost their customer base, as nobody really use NetWare traditional or NSS file systems any longer -Or? Their website Portlock.com has gone in 2019, but I have also no clue if they have end their business or if they simply have lost their domain. But try to call them, the number is may be still in use. https://web.archive.org/web/20190220183136/http://portlock.com/ Many Greetings Ulrich
OT post delivery / Re: Ordering parts onesie twos
On 2020-Jan-02, at 6:11 PM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote: > On 2020-01-02 9:58 p.m., Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote: >> On 01/02/20 17:22, Ali wrote: >>> >>> >Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago. >>> >>> How does that work? >> Community mailboxes that serve a neighbourhood. You need to trek to one to >> pick up your mail. >> (https://www.canadapost.ca/cpc/en/personal/receiving/manage-mail/community-mailbox.page) >> >> N. >> > A good part of the city where I live still has door to door delivery from > Canada Post, but on the other hand the community where I grew up never did. At-property delivery is still present in neighbourhoods whose development predates the change in delivery policy. The change, IIRC, was sometime in the late-70s. Neighbourhoods developed (subdivision/rezoning) after the policy change get community boxes, even if immediately adjacent to a neighbourhood with at-property. A new house built in an old (pre-change) neighbourhood will still get at-property. At least that's the general rule as I've observed it. Canada Post has tried to get rid of at-property delivery a few times and met with resistance.
Re: First Internet message
Another only partially related issue was copyright moving from the code itself to the "look and feel" of the finished product. Am I correct that it used to be possible to write a Puck-boy game that was hard to tell from it, IF the code was original. Hence lots of "clean-room/double-blind reverse engineering", to produce identically functioning products without using, or even seeing, the source code. I doubt that it was the ONLY case, but that was the issue for Adam Osborne's Paperback Software, which made a Lotus clone. Since then, it has to look different also. Lotus did not like that the menu choices in Paperback's products were the same ones. -- Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com On Thu, 2 Jan 2020, Eric Smith via cctalk wrote: On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:44 AM W2HX via cctalk wrote: software is currently non-patentable. Not sure the order of when it was/wasnt but currently is not. I don't know anything about patents in other countries, but in the USA, software is _definitely_ patentable, and has been since the 1970s. It was ruled in 1853 that an abstract idea apart from its implementation is not patentable (O'Reilly v. Morse). However, it has later been considered that software is (or at least can be) more than just an abstract idea (Diamond v. Diehr 1981). What changed recently is that SCOTUS ruled in Alice Corp. V. CLS Bank International, 573 U.S. 208 (2014) that taking some existing process or business practice and doing exactly the same thing with a computer or software involved is NOT a new patentable invention.
Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie
On 2020-01-02 9:58 p.m., Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote: On 01/02/20 17:22, Ali wrote: >Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago. How does that work? Community mailboxes that serve a neighbourhood. You need to trek to one to pick up your mail. (https://www.canadapost.ca/cpc/en/personal/receiving/manage-mail/community-mailbox.page) N. A good part of the city where I live still has door to door delivery from Canada Post, but on the other hand the community where I grew up never did. Paul.
Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie
On 01/02/20 17:22, Ali wrote: >Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago. How does that work? Community mailboxes that serve a neighbourhood. You need to trek to one to pick up your mail. (https://www.canadapost.ca/cpc/en/personal/receiving/manage-mail/community-mailbox.page) N.
Re: First Internet message
On Mon, Dec 30, 2019 at 4:44 AM W2HX via cctalk wrote: > software is currently non-patentable. Not sure the order of when it > was/wasnt but currently is not. > I don't know anything about patents in other countries, but in the USA, software is _definitely_ patentable, and has been since the 1970s. It was ruled in 1853 that an abstract idea apart from its implementation is not patentable (O'Reilly v. Morse). However, it has later been considered that software is (or at least can be) more than just an abstract idea (Diamond v. Diehr 1981). What changed recently is that SCOTUS ruled in Alice Corp. V. CLS Bank International, 573 U.S. 208 (2014) that taking some existing process or business practice and doing exactly the same thing with a computer or software involved is NOT a new patentable invention.
RE: Odd vintage computer sellers
> I think much of this has to do with changes Ebay made in 2019. The > only sellers that can really survive on Ebay now are high volume & low > margin, or low volume & high margin. There is no money to be made in > the middle with reasonable prices, and many of those sellers that are > reasonable have moved elsewhere. Huh? What changes from eBay? Aside from tax which was driven by the states nothing has really changed. Prices are going up (mostly) because people think they can get higher prices. And why not? When people are paying $2000 for a video card and $1500 for a KB everybody think they are sitting on a stash of gold. I see sellers listing the same item year after year with no change in price. You would think they would want to move the inventory but not so. The inventory was bought super cheap, has been sitting in a warehouse (forgotten) for years, and is effectively free (i.e. other inventory is paying for rent and overhead) so no need to drop the price. In fact if anything this is an impetus to raise price because it is now even harder to find as all the reasonably priced units have been sold already... I recently wanted to buy an EISA card - seller has 5 listed at 19.95 plus S w/ best offer. They also go on "sale" regularly for 15-20% off. He has had them for years (I needed a replacement for one I bought for $9.95 shipped a couple of years back). I contacted them to make sure they were really in stock and check on the revision of the board and suddenly price is $51. Now you tell me what does eBay have anything to do with this price increase? Prices are up because economy is good -> more people with cash to spend on hobbies/wants vs. needs -> inflation (sellers charging more because they can) -> prices up. Just my two worthless cents... -Ali
Re: Odd vintage computer sellers
On Thu, Jan 2, 2020, 3:42 PM Cameron Kaiser via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > It's really rather ludicrous, given how even the IDT Solbournes really > only > > > run OS/MP. My affection for them is largely nostalgia; as SPARC > systems they > > > are quite finicky and the later SPARCstations surpassed even the S4100 > in > > > performance. > > > > Don't say that. I am still trying to sell one :) They are these great > > systems :) The cool heat sink! The Panasonic branded SPARC processor and > > other components! > > I mean, they're fabulotastic! ;) > > The MN10501 is certainly one of the most unique SPARCs, if merely for the > KAP name ... > Many of the initial run of KAP unfortunately had a bug that caused the chip to self destruct over time. I have an old KAP that suffered from this issue. The guys from hardware came around and replaced them all and I got to keep the defective one... Warner -- > personal: > http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- > Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * > ckai...@floodgap.com > -- Focus is all about saying no. -- early Apple employee > -- >
Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie
>Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago.How does >that work?-Ali
Re: Odd vintage computer sellers
> I've noticed prices going up on eBay a LOT, without even including obscene > shipping charges AND sales tax > and people parting out things, including attempting to sell individual disks > of multi-disk sets. I think much of this has to do with changes Ebay made in 2019. The only sellers that can really survive on Ebay now are high volume & low margin, or low volume & high margin. There is no money to be made in the middle with reasonable prices, and many of those sellers that are reasonable have moved elsewhere. The result is a bunch of ultra-cheap Chi-junk, and floods of sellers that want all the money (and more). -- Will
Re: NetWare for PowerPC was Re: Portlock Storage Manager?
On 1/2/2020 1:35 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: Anyone done anything with Netware *for PowerPC*? Allegedly there was some attempt at Apple to put it on what later became the Network Servers (the codename was apparently "Wormhole"). I know the people who were working in it (based on Portable NetWare) AFAIK it never shipped. Was this based on the Cygnus PowerPC port, or was it Apple-specific? Sun did a power PC port I think paid for by IBM, which would have run on both the open Apple servers that briefly existed, and on IBM PPC systems. A lot of odd PPC work happened in a group a friend worked for in Austin TX, but not sure if they did Netware work there. There was a lot of OS2 work there as well, but that's off track a bit more. thanks Jim
Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie
On 01/01/20 11:07, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote (in part): On 2019-12-31 5:52 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote (in part): On an interesting note, I read an article recently, that popped up in my financial news. Delivery services have reached the breaking point in the cities, due to the amount of deliveries, and the lack of parking. Huh. I wonder how postal mail ever worked. Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual houses years ago. In you live in the GTA, you still have Sayal. N.
Re: Odd vintage computer sellers
> > It's really rather ludicrous, given how even the IDT Solbournes really only > > run OS/MP. My affection for them is largely nostalgia; as SPARC systems they > > are quite finicky and the later SPARCstations surpassed even the S4100 in > > performance. > > Don't say that. I am still trying to sell one :) They are these great > systems :) The cool heat sink! The Panasonic branded SPARC processor and > other components! I mean, they're fabulotastic! ;) The MN10501 is certainly one of the most unique SPARCs, if merely for the KAP name ... -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- Focus is all about saying no. -- early Apple employee --
Re: NetWare for PowerPC was Re: Portlock Storage Manager?
> > Anyone done anything with Netware *for PowerPC*? Allegedly there was > > some attempt at Apple to put it on what later became the Network Servers > > (the codename was apparently "Wormhole"). > > I know the people who were working in it (based on Portable NetWare) > AFAIK it never shipped. Was this based on the Cygnus PowerPC port, or was it Apple-specific? -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- This message will self-destruct in five seconds. Good luck, Jim. -- M:I
Re: Odd vintage computer sellers
On 1/2/20 11:36 AM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: [...] The seller is still trying to sell 2 of the original 6 S4000DXs (that at one point included the one that I have). However, the pricing has changed. Now, instead of the old base price of around $225, the base price is now $3060. Yes, $3000. But they are being offered with an 83% discount, so one can get a S4000DX for the low, low price of just under $500. I find this amazing and odd. What I think is amazing and odd is $3000 for basically untested systems. They don't even seem to connect up a serial console and see what the diagnostic messages are displayed. It's really rather ludicrous, given how even the IDT Solbournes really only run OS/MP. My affection for them is largely nostalgia; as SPARC systems they are quite finicky and the later SPARCstations surpassed even the S4100 in performance. Don't say that. I am still trying to sell one :) They are these great systems :) The cool heat sink! The Panasonic branded SPARC processor and other components! alan
Re: NetWare for PowerPC was Re: Portlock Storage Manager?
On 1/2/20 11:37 AM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: > Anyone done anything with Netware *for PowerPC*? Allegedly there was > some attempt at Apple to put it on what later became the Network Servers > (the codename was apparently "Wormhole"). > I know the people who were working in it (based on Portable NetWare) AFAIK it never shipped.
NetWare for PowerPC was Re: Portlock Storage Manager?
> > Anyone on here remember NetWare? :P > > I started and ran a network VAR company which was both Novell (Netware) > Certified and IBM Business Partners. We sold a LOT of Netware, associated > network cards, cabling and services. Both Novell and IBM were a terrific > partners - and provided us with outstanding products for our customers. They > also helped make us very profitable. It was the best of all worlds ;) > > IMHO, in the late 80's and early 90's Novell servers, and then Netware, were > the best networking game in town! Anyone done anything with Netware *for PowerPC*? Allegedly there was some attempt at Apple to put it on what later became the Network Servers (the codename was apparently "Wormhole"). -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- yankee hotel foxtrot. yankee hotel foxtrot. yankee hotel foxtrot. konec. ---
Re: Odd vintage computer sellers
> Most of us who collect vintage computers probably have our own stories > like this, but I find this so amusing that I just have to share it. > Last year I did an exhibit on SPARC clones for VCF PNW and wanted to > include a Solbourne in it. Unable to cajole Cameron into loaning me one > :-), I went looking for one to buy on eBay. I'm a jealous collector :) I do think an S3000 would display well. Stephen Dowdy sent me his old one and I should try to tidy it up as an exhibit. My "S3000DX" is too precious to me; that one stays here. > There was a seller with, among other Solbourne hardware, a listing for > some number of IDT S4000DXs. They had started with 6 and were down to > 4-5 when I started looking. IIRC, the base Buy-It-Now (BIN) price was > around $225, but, when they didn't sell, they were relisted with a > varying discount. In relistings, the BIN was as low as $167. [...] > The seller is still trying to sell 2 of the original 6 S4000DXs (that at > one point included the one that I have). However, the pricing has > changed. Now, instead of the old base price of around $225, the base > price is now $3060. Yes, $3000. But they are being offered with an 83% > discount, so one can get a S4000DX for the low, low price of just under > $500. > > I find this amazing and odd. It's really rather ludicrous, given how even the IDT Solbournes really only run OS/MP. My affection for them is largely nostalgia; as SPARC systems they are quite finicky and the later SPARCstations surpassed even the S4100 in performance. It's really the S3000 that's the gem because of that wacky plasma display. -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- ASK ME ABOUT MY VOW OF SILENCE -
Re: Odd vintage computer sellers
> On Jan 2, 2020, at 11:02 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk > wrote: > > The seller is still trying to sell 2 of the original 6 S4000DXs (that at one > point included the one that I have). However, the pricing has changed. Now, > instead of the old base price of around $225, the base price is now $3060. > Yes, $3000. But they are being offered with an 83% discount, so one can get a > S4000DX for the low, low price of just under $500. > > I find this amazing and odd. > > alan If the seller gets lucky and finds a business, or someone supporting a Government contract that just *HAS* to have the system, then $3000 is a good deal. More likely than not it will continue to sit. I’ve been after a manual for months. There is one up on eBay for $520, it’s been there for months. A few weeks ago the seller sent out an offer to anyone watching, with an offer of $399, I sent a counter offer of $99. I just bought a copy that turned up yesterday for $20. I’ve been watching VAXstation prices. Now there is something all over the place. I don’t really need any more VAX hardware, I’ve moved to emulation, but wouldn’t mind a working 4000/VLC. What I really want are a couple terminals, and especially a specific keyboard that can be used on my VT420. I can find them at times, just not at prices that make sense for me to buy. Zane
Re: Odd vintage computer sellers
On 1/2/20 11:02 AM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote: > I find this amazing and odd. I've noticed prices going up on eBay a LOT, without even including obscene shipping charges AND sales tax and people parting out things, including attempting to sell individual disks of multi-disk sets.
Re: Lars Hamrén / Computer Automation Museum Project
I never heard anything more about this. It would be good to get the manuals back online On 10/16/19 10:13 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > there was an email adr on the site, and I've asked if I can mirror the > contents on bitsavers > > > On 10/16/19 10:01 AM, Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk wrote: >> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 07:00:55PM +0200, Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk wrote: >>> On Wed, Oct 16, 2019 at 06:42:15PM +0200, Stefan Skoglund via cctalk wrote: svensk datorutveckling i lund (swedish computer development in Lund) >>> >>> There is/was a Lars Hamrén at sdu. I know because I >>> have met him when he picked up some CA computers from >>> a friend. >>> >>> /P >> >> And I can reach out to him and ask bout the page. >> >> /P >> > >
Odd vintage computer sellers
Most of us who collect vintage computers probably have our own stories like this, but I find this so amusing that I just have to share it. Last year I did an exhibit on SPARC clones for VCF PNW and wanted to include a Solbourne in it. Unable to cajole Cameron into loaning me one :-), I went looking for one to buy on eBay. There was a seller with, among other Solbourne hardware, a listing for some number of IDT S4000DXs. They had started with 6 and were down to 4-5 when I started looking. IIRC, the base Buy-It-Now (BIN) price was around $225, but, when they didn't sell, they were relisted with a varying discount. In relistings, the BIN was as low as $167. In a relisting where the discounted price was $195 BIN, I offered $175. The seller didn't accept and, in the counter offer exchange, eventually went above the discounted price. I didn't go for that. Then, in the next relisting, the discounted price was $167. I bought one. They were being sold with a HDD and a Solbourne frame buffer (Sun frame buffers don't work in S4000DXs), but no keyboard or mouse (Solbournes use proprietary keyboards and mice). The one that I got had a dead Sun0424 (Seagate ST1480N) HDD and, I found out later, a broken frame buffer. I put in a SD2SCSI and installed OS/MP (Solbourne's version of BSD SunOS). From the serial console, it worked fine and I included the system in my VCF PNW exhibit. After the show, I spent some time trying to make a Solbourne to Sun keyboard adapter, but couldn't get it to work. I have had it up for sale for a few months (my attention is now focused on the barn-find Sun 3/260 that I hope to have working for this year's VCF PNW). But, back to the seller that I got the S4000DX from ... The seller is still trying to sell 2 of the original 6 S4000DXs (that at one point included the one that I have). However, the pricing has changed. Now, instead of the old base price of around $225, the base price is now $3060. Yes, $3000. But they are being offered with an 83% discount, so one can get a S4000DX for the low, low price of just under $500. I find this amazing and odd. alan
Re: Portlock Storage Manager?
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 18:15:33 + Benjamin Huntsman via cctalk wrote: > Anyone on here remember NetWare? :P I started and ran a network VAR company which was both Novell (Netware) Certified and IBM Business Partners. We sold a LOT of Netware, associated network cards, cabling and services. Both Novell and IBM were a terrific partners - and provided us with outstanding products for our customers. They also helped make us very profitable. It was the best of all worlds ;) IMHO, in the late 80's and early 90's Novell servers, and then Netware, were the best networking game in town! --snip-- Cheers, Lyle -- 73 NM6Y Bickley Consulting West Inc. https://bickleywest.com "Black holes are where God is dividing by zero"
