Re: 2.11bsd rogue can't build
On 3/6/2020 12:06 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 11:15 PM Keven Miller(3k) via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: I don't have knowledge of the system - just a programmer. But could it be the difference of static vz dynamic libraries? 2.11 and all pdp-11 unix have no shared libraries. The hardware makes this super hard to dom pulling in libnnn.a instead of libnnn.so /.sl / ?? runtime library? That would make the text larger, if static linking. No. It's almost certainly the overlay structure is overflowing and needs to be redone. Warner Keven Miller Can curses be stripped down just for the terminals used?
Re: 2.11bsd rogue can't build
On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 11:15 PM Keven Miller(3k) via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > I don't have knowledge of the system - just a programmer. > But could it be the difference of static vz dynamic libraries? > 2.11 and all pdp-11 unix have no shared libraries. The hardware makes this super hard to dom pulling in libnnn.a instead of libnnn.so /.sl / ?? runtime library? > That would make the text larger, if static linking. > No. It's almost certainly the overlay structure is overflowing and needs to be redone. Warner Keven Miller > > - Original Message - > From: "Jacob Ritorto via cctech" > To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" > > Sent: Wed 04 Mar 2020 06:01 PM > Subject: 2.11bsd rogue can't build > > > > Wonder why I can't make(1) rogue on my 11/83, 2044KW, latest patch > > release from sms. > > > > [16] root--> make > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c curses.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c hit.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c init.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c inventory.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c level.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c machdep.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c main.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c message.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c monster.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c move.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c object.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c pack.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c play.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c random.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c ring.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c room.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c save.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c score.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c spec_hit.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c throw.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c trap.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c use.c > > > > cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c zap.c > > > > cc -i curses.o hit.o init.o inventory.o > > level.o machdep.o main.o message.o > > monster.o move.o object.opack.o > > play.o random.oring.o room.o save.o > > score.o spec_hit.o throw.o > > trap.o use.o zap.o -o rogue -lcurses -ltermlib > > > > ld:/usr/lib/libcurses.a(refresh.o): text overflow > > > > *** Exit 4 > > > > > > Stop. > > > > [17] root--> > > >
Re: 2.11bsd rogue can't build
On 3/4/20 8:01 PM, Jacob Ritorto via cctech wrote: Wonder why I can't make(1) rogue on my 11/83, 2044KW, latest patch release from sms. [16] root--> make ld:/usr/lib/libcurses.a(refresh.o): text overflow *** Exit 4 Stop. [17] root--> I'm going on 15-years-ago recollection here, but if that's the problem I think it is, it can be fixed by reallocating driver distribution in the overlays. I tried to build 2.11 with ethernet support and piled all the extra includes into one overlay. A more even distribution across overlays fixed it. Doc
Re: 2.11bsd rogue can't build
I don't have knowledge of the system - just a programmer. But could it be the difference of static vz dynamic libraries? pulling in libnnn.a instead of libnnn.so /.sl / ?? runtime library? That would make the text larger, if static linking. Keven Miller - Original Message - From: "Jacob Ritorto via cctech" To: "General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" Sent: Wed 04 Mar 2020 06:01 PM Subject: 2.11bsd rogue can't build Wonder why I can't make(1) rogue on my 11/83, 2044KW, latest patch release from sms. [16] root--> make cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c curses.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c hit.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c init.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c inventory.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c level.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c machdep.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c main.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c message.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c monster.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c move.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c object.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c pack.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c play.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c random.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c ring.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c room.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c save.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c score.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c spec_hit.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c throw.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c trap.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c use.c cc -O -DUNIX -DUNIX_BSD4_2 -c zap.c cc -i curses.o hit.o init.o inventory.o level.o machdep.o main.o message.o monster.o move.o object.opack.o play.o random.oring.o room.o save.o score.o spec_hit.o throw.o trap.o use.o zap.o -o rogue -lcurses -ltermlib ld:/usr/lib/libcurses.a(refresh.o): text overflow *** Exit 4 Stop. [17] root-->
Re: RDI BriteLite
On 3/5/20 7:44 AM, Alan Perry via cctech wrote: On Mar 5, 2020, at 05:20, Plamen Mihaylov via cctech wrote: Does anyone have such machine ? I miss the PSU adapter as well as the Sbus framebuffer which connects the LCD panel to the mainboard. Any info is appreciated. I had one, but sold it to someone on this list last year. I used a generic power supply, one with multiple cord tips and selectable output. However, when I exhibited the BriteLite and had it running all day, the power supply died after a day and a half. Good luck on finding a frame buffer for it. I don’t remember the details about it, but I took lots of photos of it. Here is a Flickr album of the insides of what was my BriteLite IPX, including the LCD frame buffer - https://flic.kr/s/aHsmLNnBuU alan alan Best regards, Plamen
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Given that the venue is closed and it is unknown whether it will reopen before the show date, there is a good reason to reschedule at a minimum. alan > On Mar 5, 2020, at 21:40, Richard Pope via cctalk > wrote: > > Hello all, >The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be at risk. > It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick just stay > home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. The flu is more > of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a mask is a waste of > money and resources for you can be infected through the eyes. No reason to > cancel. Just request that sick people please stay home. > GOD Bless and Thanks, > rich! > >> On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: >> Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there >> a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard >> work? >> >> Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >>> The short story: COVID-19 >>> >>> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Hello all, The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay home. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard work? Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: The short story: COVID-19 More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. Mike
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard work? Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > The short story: COVID-19 > > More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. > > > Mike >
Re: For those with 6809 experience
On 3/3/2020 8:39 AM, osi.superboard via cctalk wrote: My assumption is, that the LDA address access is too late at the end of the instruction cycle, and the CPU already started the next instruction cycle internally. HALT will be acknowledged only during the instruction cycle following the LDA. It would be interesting to measure, when the LDA pulls down the HALT compared to the last instruction cycle signal (LIC). Maybe using LDD will work better, because the HALT signal will be asserted one clock before the instruction cycle ends. Which is exactly what I ended up doing: http://www.go4retro.com/2020/03/05/coco-dma-fighting-on-the-bus/ Jim
VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
The short story: COVID-19 More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. Mike
Re: 2.11bsd rogue can't build
>
> I'm pretty sure I built this successfully in the past. I'll have to
> try it again later with the generic installation before any patches
> are applied, in case that makes a difference for some reason.
>
I took another look to refresh my memory. I assume now that I never
successfully built rogue on 2.11BSD in the past, and what I actually
did was just run the already built hack binary.
If you look at the hack binary it is built with 5 text overlays in
addition to the base text:
# pwd
/usr/games
# ls -l hack
-rws--x--x 1 daemon 195175 Nov 26 1999 hack
# size hack
textdatabss dec hex
37952 32424 12450 82826 1438a total text: 148608
overlays: 24512,24192,22528,18688,20736
If you look at the Makefile for hack it defines the BASE object files
and the OV1 - OV5 overlay objects files, then uses the ld -Z switch to
link the executable with the BASE object files plus the 5 overlay
object files OV1 - OV5.
If the total text size for rogue is slightly beyond 64KB after pulling
in object files from the libraries then the Makefile for rogue needs
to be modified to move some of the object files into overlays somewhat
similar to the way it is done for hack, for example.
# Hack overlay structure (PDP-11/{44,45,70})
#
# The BASE (should) occupy 5 segments, but extreme care has to be taken when
# any code is changed as those five segments have been filled to within bytes
# of that limit. Each of the overlays occupies 3 segments with similar
# restrictions on changing code (most have been filled to within a few hundred
# bytes). The wise and cautious programmer would be well advised to use
# size(1) heavily ...
#
BASE = strings.o hack.monst.o hack.Decl.o\
hack.invent.o hack.dog.o hack.mon.o\
hack.engrave.o rnd.o hack.track.o
OV1 = hack.shk.o hack.topl.o hack.o hack.end.o hack.trap.o
OV2 = hack.do_wear.o hack.main.o hack.eat.o hack.timeout.o hack.vault.o\
hack.wizard.o hack.topl.o hack.tty.o\
hack.do.o hack.search.o alloc.o\
hack.cmd.o hack.termcap.o hack.unix.o hack.ioctl.o
OV3 = hack.do_name.o hack.fight.o hack.mkobj.o hack.o_init.o hack.mhitu.o\
hack.makemon.o hack.worn.o hack.rumors.o hack.objnam.o hack.pri.o
OV4 = hack.zap.o hack.read.o hack.apply.o hack.potion.o\
hack.options.o hack.pager.o hack.wield.o
OV5 = hack.save.o hack.lev.o hack.mklev.o hack.mkshop.o hack.mkmaze.o\
hack.shknam.o hack.u_init.o\
hack.rip.o hack.bones.o hack.worm.o hack.steal.o hack.version.o
# Crypt *MUST be listed BEFORE $(HOBJ)
$(GAME): crypt $(HOBJ)
@echo "Loading ..."
@ld -i -X -x -o $(GAME) /lib/crt0.o $(BASE)\
-Z $(OV1) -Z $(OV2) -Z $(OV3) -Z $(OV4) -Z $(OV5) -Y\
$(TERMLIB) -lc
@echo "Load complete"
RE: SWTPC 6800, FLEX and Percom Floppy
Hi Mike, You really want to ask this on the fufu list: http://www.flexusergroup.com/flexusergroup/fufusub.htm I did about a year ago, but didn't get anything definite. The list tends to be bursty. It's been pretty quiet for the last couple of weeks. Bill S. -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Mike Douglas via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2020 10:02 PM To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: SWTPC 6800, FLEX and Percom Floppy Now that I have my SWTPC 6800 loading and saving programs with paper tape, cassette, and floppy disk (using the Percom LFD-400 controller and their MiniDOS and MPX “operating systems”), the next logical step is getting FLEX up and running. Unfortunately, I only have the Percom floppy controller and I don’t know if FLEX compatible disk drivers and boot code were ever written for it. Before I go create Percom support for FLEX from scratch, does anyone have any leads? Mike
Re: RDI BriteLite
> On Mar 5, 2020, at 05:20, Plamen Mihaylov via cctech > wrote: > > Does anyone have such machine ? I miss the PSU adapter as well as the Sbus > framebuffer which connects the LCD panel to the mainboard. Any info is > appreciated. I had one, but sold it to someone on this list last year. I used a generic power supply, one with multiple cord tips and selectable output. However, when I exhibited the BriteLite and had it running all day, the power supply died after a day and a half. Good luck on finding a frame buffer for it. I don’t remember the details about it, but I took lots of photos of it. alan > > Best regards, > Plamen
