FS (a little OT): Telular Phonecell SX5 GSM Fixed Terminals (x2)

2020-05-30 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
I know that there's a few people on this list who mess around with homebrew
GSM networks and OpenBTS, so I'll offer these here first.

I am getting rid of my two Telular Phonecell SX5 fixed GSM terminals. These
are 2G devices that present a phone line and a serial port. They have dial
tone emulation and can allow a regular phone handset to send and receive
calls. (There is some fax support but I've never used that functionality.) The
serial port is directly connected to the GSM modem so that you can also
use it for sending and receiving SMS text messages, which is the primary
purpose it served here (so I could ping the house sensor network if the server
line was down).

The reason I'm getting rid of them is because 2G is being sunsetted in the USA
and T-Mobile, the last 2G carrier, will dismantle its nationwide 2G network
by the end of this year. DO NOT BUY THIS IF YOU WANT TO USE IT FOR THAT PURPOSE
unless you are using a regional carrier you know will support it.

On the other hand, if you want a fixed box (or both of them) for your own
private GSM network, such as with an OpenBTS base station, then this will
serve you hopefully as well as it has served me. Both units were purchased
new and I have been their only owner. They include manuals, power supplies,
spike antennae and power cords in the original boxes. SIM cards are not
included and I have removed their old lead-acid battery backups for weight
and because those died long ago.

I'm asking $60 each, or $100 if you want them both, plus shipping. I'm open
to other offers. Please E-mail me off list.

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Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk

On Fri, 29 May 2020, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

Oh, FORTRAN can do likewise--I suspect that most languages can be coaxed
(perhaps with some assembly-language subroutines)to do something nasty.


"A real programmer can write a FORTRAN program in any language."
But, a REAL programmer, such as Chuck, can write any language program in 
FORTRAN.





"A computer without FORTRAN or COBOL is like a piece of chocolate cake 
without ketchup or mustard."




In addition to GWBASIC, don't forget BASCOM, the Microsoft BASIC compiler.
It's top two uses were
1) a small speed improvement
2) marketing a program written in BASIC without revealing the source code.


Overheard at Comdex:
"What language is it written in?"
"I'm not at liberty to discuss that."
"OK, WHICH BASIC compiler did you use?"


PC Fortran (Was: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-30 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
One reaason why you don't hear much about that is because the first 
version of Microsoft Fortran for the PC wasn't real great.

It was written in Microsoft Pascal.


On Sat, 30 May 2020, John Foust via cctalk wrote:

Really!
How does this connect to Microsoft's FORTRAN-80 for CP/M circa 1977?


unrelated product, with no apparent connections, that I'm aware of.  The 
8080/Z80 FORTRAN-80 would have been a better starting point!
Bob Wallace wrote the original Microsoft Pascal; I don't know who wrote 
the Fortran, other than being told that it was written in Microsoft 
Pascal, and to avoid the run-time library.



In late 1978, Microsoft also announced a version of FORTRAN-80 for TRS80.
OB_anecdeote:
I ordered 3 copies, for resale, through Lifeboat (Shrewsbury NJ major 
distributor of CP/M, DR, and MS products).  For months, I got, 
"Oh, it was delayed, but your order just got shipped!".  (in spite of 
telling me each previous week that it had already just been shipped.)
In late February 1979, I drove with some friends from Berkeley to 
Lewistown Montana for the solar eclipse, but had to fly back due to work 
schedule.  Flew back by way of Seattle.  Had my friend Bob Wallace (who 
worked for Microsoft) meet me at the airport during my layover; he 
brought me three copies at the airport.  (Serial #1,2,3, or maybe it was 
10001, etc.)


I delivered copies to the community college district, where I was 
teaching part-time, just in time for the start of their class.


They contacted me a couple of days later; the instructor typed in the 
first demo program in the manual, and it SYNTAX ERROR'd out.

"The compiler doesn't work."
I pointed out a missing comma in the listing of the sample program in the 
manual, and that fixed it.

"Well, it's no good if even the manual has errors."
That was pretty much my only/last contact with FORTRAN-80

In Fall 1983, that instructor managed to get hired at Cal State Hayward.
I got a call from the department chair, Wil Price, whom I knew well, at 6 
PM,  "Can you teach Fortran?"

"I think so."
"Great.  You start tomorrow morning at 8:00 AM in room D252.  Park in the 
visitor lot, and see me after class for a parking permit."

Another call at about 8:30, "Can you handle more than one section?"
"Yes"
"OK, we'll have to 'LTS' ('long term sub') you to be 'full-time' 
immediately."
When they held formal hiring for the full-time tenure-track position, a 
year later, I got it.

Eventually tenure, etc.
Over the next decade, I created additional courses.  C, Microcomputer 
Disk Operating Systems (CP/M,TRSDOS,AppleDOs, but mostly MS-DOS), 
Microcomputer (8088) Assembly Language, Desktop Publishing, Data 
Structures And Algorithms, Introduction To The Internet, etc.



The PC Fortran, written by Microsoft and distributed by IBM was an 
unrelated product.  I think that it might be:

https://winworldpc.com/product/ibm-fortran-compiler/100
We used the PC Fortran on a couple dozen 5150s in the 
school lab.  It worked quite well for teaching beginners; I would not have 
wanted to use it for anything real-world.
I heard that a few years later, it was rewritten, and MUCH better, so my 
gripes about it aren't valid for the later products.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com


Re: Microsoft open sources GWBASIC

2020-05-30 Thread John Foust via cctalk
At 05:05 PM 5/29/2020, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>One reaason why you don't hear much about that is because the first version of 
>Microsoft Fortran for the PC wasn't real great.
>It was written in Microsoft Pascal.

Really!

How does this connect to Microsoft's FORTRAN-80 for CP/M circa 1977?

- John