Re: Basf 6104 Assy 8118 jumper named Bx
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, "Enrico email.it" wrote: I was looking for the BASF 6104 drive manual. Did you ask on classiccmp? If yes, I must have overseen that. Because, I have it on our FTP server since a long time ;-) ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/basf/BASF6104_Aug1981.pdf Christian
Re: Basf 6104 Assy 8118 jumper named Bx
On Sun, 18 Oct 2020, "Enrico email.it" wrote: on internet I find the one related to ASSY 81098 (where the jumpers have the [...] while instead I am looking for the one related to ASSY 81118 (in which the Sorry for the noise, I have missed the part about the assy number. I don't have the one you are looking for. Christian
Re: DEC ADV11-D Analog to Digital converter with DMA
Paul, Jerry, Thanks for the suggestion to take a look at DataTranslation! Looking in the bitsavers folder for DataTranslation, I found a 239 page July 1986 Data Translation manual for the DT3362 series of A/Ds. There are 23 sub-models of that board but the DT3362-16SE/8DI specifications matches the ADV11-D (A1008). The best part is that chapter 8 of this manual has 5 programming examples, two of which use the DMA capability.With a bit of research (and some luck) I think this will give me the info I need. Thanks again, Mark Date: Sat, 17 Oct 2020 02:06:25 -0500 From: Paul Anderson I think they were made by Data Translation. On Fri, Oct 16, 2020 at 8:00 PM Jerry Weiss via cctech < cct...@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I just picked a AAV11-D D/A Board for which documentation is also > scarce. The general design may be similar. I should be able to reverse > engineer the analog/digital output section for pin-outs. Lacking > manuals/source code, if someone has an existing driver or software in > binary, I would be willing to disassemble that for its secrets. Perhaps > these boards mimic the methods used by ADAC or Data Translation used for > their Qbus products. Their documentation may also give some insight on > how to setup these CSR's. > > Regards, > Jerry >
Re: FS: S-100 stuff, electronic stuff, model railroad stuff, books and magazines!
Hi Rich, I'm very sorry to hear about your health issues. I'm interested in the S-100 stuff if still available (or it falls through again, just let me know) Thank you, Todd On 10/18/2020 10:46 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: Hello all, It looks like the S-100 stuff is available again. Sorry for the confusion! GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 10/18/2020 12:36 AM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: Hello all, The S-100 stuff is sold pending payment. I appreciate the interest and help! GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 10/17/2020 10:44 PM, Bruce wrote: I believe there is an S-100 meuseum - think they specialize in Altare - but they woul probably be a good home for the stuff Cheers! Bruce Quoting Jeff George : Hi there, I’m sorry to hear about your expected diagnosis, that’s a tough one. My neighbor Had cancer of the liver last year, he tried the “Rick Simpson oil” treatment along with standard chemo and is cancer free today. Maybe look into it? On a selfish note, Im a high school physics teacher in Tn and would love to find good price on some equipment so that my students could get their feet wet with some actual good equipment. Scopes, frequency generators, vtvm’s, dmm’s, etc.. I am a ham radio operator and tinkerer, some skills at repairing equipment but not a whole lot. Please let me know if you have anything appropriate for my students at a high school budget. Happy to give you my info so that you can verify my employment. Jeff On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 10:14 PM Richard R. Pope wrote: Hello all. I have 22 S-100 boards for sale. There are two backplanes. One is a 9 slot bare board and the other is a 19 slot fully populated board. Both boards have active termination. There are 8080, Z80, FDC, HDC, Serial, 68030, a Display board, a Front Panel board. There are also 3 Mean Well power supplies supplying the +9VDC and the +_16VDC. There are also voltmeters and amp meters . I want $500 plus shipping for all of it. I can provide a full inventory and pictures for anyone who is truly interested. I probably have cancer and if I do I am dying. I want all of this to go to a good home and not to the landfill. If anyone is interested I have some test equipment, electronic components, and model railroad equipment Please only serious inquires for I tire very easily. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! -- Paying Attention, Not a Tutor! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#110932): https://groups.io/g/HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment/message/110932 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/77630695/89555 Group Owner: hp-agilent-keysight-equipment+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment/leave/3011123/1140944146/xyzzy [mechani...@charter.net] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
11/84 print set
anyone willing to chip in some money to help me pay for this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/303733340900
Re: 11/84 print set
On 10/19/2020 10:27 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: anyone willing to chip in some money to help me pay for this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/303733340900 The listing says sold already. Did you get it? I don't have a PDP-11/84 and likely never will but I'd chip in $50 if you got it. -- John H. Reinhardt
Re: 11/84 print set
Same. If you bought it, let us know if we can just paypal yr email addy. C On 10/19/2020 11:30 AM, John H. Reinhardt via cctalk wrote: On 10/19/2020 10:27 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: anyone willing to chip in some money to help me pay for this? https://www.ebay.com/itm/303733340900 The listing says sold already. Did you get it? I don't have a PDP-11/84 and likely never will but I'd chip in $50 if you got it.
Re: 11/84 print set
On 10/19/20 8:31 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: The listing says sold already. Did you get it? yes, I went ahead and got it even though I can't afford to paypal is my normal aek@bitsavers adr
Re: 11/84 print set
On 10/19/2020 10:33 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 10/19/20 8:31 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: The listing says sold already. Did you get it? yes, I went ahead and got it even though I can't afford to paypal is my normal aek@bitsavers adr Good deal! I just sent a Paypal. -- John H. Reinhardt
Re: 11/84 print set
Done. I do have these 11/84 boards (memory map, console, and the memory board that doesn't work); it would be interesting to have prints to review. Thanks! CZ On 10/19/2020 11:33 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: On 10/19/20 8:31 AM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: The listing says sold already. Did you get it? yes, I went ahead and got it even though I can't afford to paypal is my normal aek@bitsavers adr
Re: 11/84 print set
On Mon, 19 Oct 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: yes, I went ahead and got it even though I can't afford to paypal is my normal aek@bitsavers adr Done $50
Re: 11/84 print set
On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 11:22 -0700, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote: > On Mon, 19 Oct 2020, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > yes, I went ahead and got it even though I can't afford to > > paypal is my normal aek@bitsavers adr > > Done $50 > > Me too. TTFN - Guy
Re: 11/84 print set
I PayPal'd Al a bit as well, for this or any other preservation purchase.
Re: 11/84 print set
Al Kossow wrote: > anyone willing to chip in some money to help me pay for this? > https://www.ebay.com/itm/303733340900 I don't have a PDP-11/84 and likely never will but I just sent you $150. Bitsavers has saved my bacon multiple times and it's only right that I support you. In about a month I hope to be able to deliver the 7-track tape drive to you. Details later. Alan Frisbie
Re: 11/84 print set
On 10/19/20 10:27 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > anyone willing to chip in some money to help me pay for this? > https://www.ebay.com/itm/303733340900 I don't have an 11/84, but the bitsavers docs have helped me tremendously over the years. Thank you. Sent $100. --tom
RL02 Disk and maybe pdp11 something at auction.
I spotted this for an auction from the FORMER OYSTER CREEK NUCLEAR GENERATING STATION. Looks like a pair of RL02 with a pdp something in the middle. I can't make out what model it is from the photo. Anyone know? I'm not bidding as it's too far away from me in Los Angeles but someone else might like it. Small stuff usually sells real cheap on this site as the sellers are usually just trying to get rid of it. Also, there's no current bid. I just would not want it to go to a scrapper. https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscunited/catalogue-id-united4-10061/lot-9f3350e0-a11b-493d-868b-ac43015bce6d Wayne
Re: 11/84 print set
You have a working 7-track drive?? Does it have a sibling? Marc Howard On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 11:39 AM Alan Frisbie via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > Al Kossow wrote: > > > anyone willing to chip in some money to help me pay for this? > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/303733340900 > > I don't have a PDP-11/84 and likely never will but I just > sent you $150. Bitsavers has saved my bacon multiple times > and it's only right that I support you. > > In about a month I hope to be able to deliver the 7-track > tape drive to you. Details later. > > Alan Frisbie >
Re: RL02 Disk and maybe pdp11 something at auction.
On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 13:12 -0700, Wayne Sudol via cctalk wrote: > I spotted this for an auction from the FORMER OYSTER CREEK NUCLEAR > GENERATING STATION. > Looks like a pair of RL02 with a pdp something in the middle. I can't > make out what model it is from the photo. > Anyone know? > > > https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscunited/catalogue-id-united4-10061/lot-9f3350e0-a11b-493d-868b-ac43015bce6d > It looks like it's 11/84 from the badge on the front. TTFN - Guy
Re: 11/84 print set
> anyone willing to chip in some money to help me pay for this? I sent a chunk too. This is a totally great acquisition: I have a KDJ11-B board that has a bad bus driver chip; I was going to apply an ohmmeter to find the guilty party, but just looking at the prints will be so much easier. I see it also includes MSV11-R prints, which is wonderful, since we don't have prints for those either. Too bad it doesn't include the MSV11-J prints (also missing), since the -R's are rare and the -J's are relatively common. Noel
Re: [HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment] FS: S-100 stuff, electronic stuff, model railroad stuff, books and magazines!
Hello all, The S-100 stuff is sold and paid for. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 10/18/2020 9:46 PM, Richard R. Pope wrote: Hello all, It looks like the S-100 stuff is available again. Sorry for the confusion! GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 10/18/2020 12:36 AM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: Hello all, The S-100 stuff is sold pending payment. I appreciate the interest and help! GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 10/17/2020 10:44 PM, Bruce wrote: I believe there is an S-100 meuseum - think they specialize in Altare - but they woul probably be a good home for the stuff Cheers! Bruce Quoting Jeff George : Hi there, I’m sorry to hear about your expected diagnosis, that’s a tough one. My neighbor Had cancer of the liver last year, he tried the “Rick Simpson oil” treatment along with standard chemo and is cancer free today. Maybe look into it? On a selfish note, Im a high school physics teacher in Tn and would love to find good price on some equipment so that my students could get their feet wet with some actual good equipment. Scopes, frequency generators, vtvm’s, dmm’s, etc.. I am a ham radio operator and tinkerer, some skills at repairing equipment but not a whole lot. Please let me know if you have anything appropriate for my students at a high school budget. Happy to give you my info so that you can verify my employment. Jeff On Sat, Oct 17, 2020 at 10:14 PM Richard R. Pope wrote: Hello all. I have 22 S-100 boards for sale. There are two backplanes. One is a 9 slot bare board and the other is a 19 slot fully populated board. Both boards have active termination. There are 8080, Z80, FDC, HDC, Serial, 68030, a Display board, a Front Panel board. There are also 3 Mean Well power supplies supplying the +9VDC and the +_16VDC. There are also voltmeters and amp meters . I want $500 plus shipping for all of it. I can provide a full inventory and pictures for anyone who is truly interested. I probably have cancer and if I do I am dying. I want all of this to go to a good home and not to the landfill. If anyone is interested I have some test equipment, electronic components, and model railroad equipment Please only serious inquires for I tire very easily. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! -- Paying Attention, Not a Tutor! -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Groups.io Links: You receive all messages sent to this group. View/Reply Online (#110958): https://groups.io/g/HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment/message/110958 Mute This Topic: https://groups.io/mt/77650950/89555 Group Owner: hp-agilent-keysight-equipment+ow...@groups.io Unsubscribe: https://groups.io/g/HP-Agilent-Keysight-equipment/leave/3011123/1140944146/xyzzy [mechani...@charter.net] -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
Re: RL02 Disk and maybe pdp11 something at auction.
Maybe. If so it's a seriously overpowered 11/84 with only a pair of RL02's. Might also be an 11/24. I'll check into it. NJ isn't too far away although I don't think it will fit easily in a Porsche 928. So I'd have to rent a truck as well. Hm Anyone else bidding on it? C On 10/19/2020 4:48 PM, Guy Sotomayor via cctalk wrote: On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 13:12 -0700, Wayne Sudol via cctalk wrote: I spotted this for an auction from the FORMER OYSTER CREEK NUCLEAR GENERATING STATION. Looks like a pair of RL02 with a pdp something in the middle. I can't make out what model it is from the photo. Anyone know? https://www.bidspotter.com/en-us/auction-catalogues/bscunited/catalogue-id-united4-10061/lot-9f3350e0-a11b-493d-868b-ac43015bce6d It looks like it's 11/84 from the badge on the front. TTFN - Guy
Re: RL02 Disk and maybe pdp11 something at auction.
> From: Guy Sotomayor ggs at shiresoft.com > It looks like it's 11/84 from the badge on the front. In a 10-1/2" box. Seen them in the docs (forget the model number), never seen a real one. Noel
Re: RL02 Disk and maybe pdp11 something at auction.
On Monday, October 19, 2020, 5:34:03 PM EDT, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Maybe. If so it's a seriously overpowered 11/84 with only a pair of > RL02's. Might also be an 11/24. > > I'll check into it. NJ isn't too far away although I don't think it will > fit easily in a Porsche 928. So I'd have to rent a truck as well. Hm > > Anyone else bidding on it? I'm definitely considering it. I'm located in south Jersey so I'm not too far from it. Though if the bids get up to more than nominal, I expect I'll drop out. I'm sure it won't fit in my Boxster either, and I doubt it'll fit in my wife's CR-V. So I'd probably rent a van or small truck too. I moved a VAX 3600 in the same cabinet in U-Haul van, so I at least have an idea what I'm getting myself in for. BLS
Re: Next project: 11/24. Does it need memory?
> From: Chris Zach > still nothing coming out of the serial port. Figured I would document > the settings and see if anyone with an 11/24 can cross-check my settings. Time to stop trying random things and drop the (metaphorical) Big Hammer. Look at the bus, and see if it's trying to talk to the console (i.e. ODT is running). Alas, I looked at the -11/24 Tech Manual - latest rev here: http://ana-3.lcs.mit.edu/~jnc/tech/pdp11/dload/EK-11024-TM-003.pdf and it sez (pg. 4-25): "Internal addresses; i.e. serial line unit registers .. There is no external bus cycle performed for an internal address." So you can't look on the UNIBUS. At least we have a set of prints for it: http://bitsavers.org/pdf/dec/pdp11/1124/MP01018_1124schem_Aug80.pdf CPU prints start on pg. 145; the TM will tell you what signals to look for. Noel
Re: RL02 Disk and maybe pdp11 something at auction.
On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 17:45 -0400, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > From: Guy Sotomayor ggs at shiresoft.com > > > It looks like it's 11/84 from the badge on the front. > > In a 10-1/2" box. Seen them in the docs (forget the model number), > never seen > a real one. I had a number of 11/84s in the 10-1/2" box and in the 21" box. Got rid of them all in the last move (along with 3(!) 11/78x VAXen...I was a bit surprised because I thought I had only 2). TTFN - Guy
Re: Next project: 11/24. Does it need memory?
On 10/19/2020 6:10 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > Time to stop trying random things and drop the (metaphorical) Big > Hammer. Well, yeah. Although my methods are *not* random, what I have been doing is trying to set the 11/24 and it's peripherals to a known working base state. Unibus can get annoyed at a lot of things (lack of termination, 4 kinds of Unibus (well 5 if you consider the 11/45), and a whole lot of general weirdness. Q-Bus is much simpler, although there is 18 and 22 bit and the weird CD interconnect to watch out for, you don't need a terminator and with very few exceptions (RKV11, RL01 dual controller, very early memory that wanted external refresh) things pretty much work bus-wise. > "Internal addresses; i.e. serial line unit registers .. There is no > external bus cycle performed for an internal address." Yeah, the serial ports I think are emulated-ish on the main board. If I could disable them I could do a normal DL11 and see what I see, but that won't work. Maybe I'll just drag out the 11/05 and get that working first, it's got a nice front panel that doesn't lock up often :-) But if someone has an 11/24 and can cross-check my switch settings to see if I missed something I would appreciate. CZ
Re: Next project: 11/24. Does it need memory?
On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 20:20 -0400, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > won't work. Maybe I'll just drag out the 11/05 and get that working > first, it's got a nice front panel that doesn't lock up often :-) > > The 11/05 was the first 11 that I repaired and got working. You should note that the 11/05's front panel is driven by the uCode of the CPU. It's connection to the CPU is through a "serial" protocol (it's been too long...I think it's just a big shift register) to keep the pin count (e.g. cost) low. TTFN - Guy
Re: Next project: 11/24. Does it need memory?
On 10/19/20 8:20 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: On 10/19/2020 6:10 PM, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > Time to stop trying random things and drop the (metaphorical) Big > Hammer. Well, yeah. Although my methods are *not* random, what I have been doing is trying to set the 11/24 and it's peripherals to a known working base state. Unibus can get annoyed at a lot of things (lack of termination, 4 kinds of Unibus (well 5 if you consider the 11/45), and a whole lot of general weirdness. Q-Bus is much simpler, although there is 18 and 22 bit and the weird CD interconnect to watch out for, you don't need a terminator and with very few exceptions (RKV11, RL01 dual controller, very early memory that wanted external refresh) things pretty much work bus-wise. > "Internal addresses; i.e. serial line unit registers .. There is no > external bus cycle performed for an internal address." Yeah, the serial ports I think are emulated-ish on the main board. If I could disable them I could do a normal DL11 and see what I see, but that won't work. Maybe I'll just drag out the 11/05 and get that working first, it's got a nice front panel that doesn't lock up often :-) But if someone has an 11/24 and can cross-check my switch settings to see if I missed something I would appreciate. Wish I still had my 11/24. It was my first and I always liked it. bill
Well Heeled "Rescue"
Since I'm a bit short of change I thought I'd pass this along. https://www.ebay.com/itm/APPLE-1-Original-1976-Computer-System-1st-Steve-Wozniak-designed-computer-and/174195921349?hash=item288ee2d1c5:g:UNoAAOSwWqtdrkDz Will "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de Saint-Exupery "The names of global variables should start with// " -- https://isocpp.org
Re: RL02 Disk and maybe pdp11 something at auction.
I have owned a few of these. Gave them to VCFed as a donation. On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 6:11 PM Guy Sotomayor via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 17:45 -0400, Noel Chiappa via cctalk wrote: > > > From: Guy Sotomayor ggs at shiresoft.com > > > > > It looks like it's 11/84 from the badge on the front. > > > > In a 10-1/2" box. Seen them in the docs (forget the model number), > > never seen > > a real one. > > I had a number of 11/84s in the 10-1/2" box and in the 21" box. Got > rid of them all in the last move (along with 3(!) 11/78x VAXen...I was > a bit surprised because I thought I had only 2). > > TTFN - Guy > >
Re: Well Heeled "Rescue"
this has been on ebay for many months On Mon, Oct 19, 2020 at 9:13 PM Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > Since I'm a bit short of change I thought I'd pass this along. > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/APPLE-1-Original-1976-Computer-System-1st-Steve-Wozniak-designed-computer-and/174195921349?hash=item288ee2d1c5:g:UNoAAOSwWqtdrkDz > > > Will > > > "A designer knows he has achieved perfection not when there is nothing > left to add, but when there is nothing left to take away." -- Antoine de > Saint-Exupery > "The names of global variables should start with// " -- https://isocpp.org >
Re: Well Heeled "Rescue"
On 10/19/20 6:13 PM, Will Cooke via cctalk wrote: > Since I'm a bit short of change I thought I'd pass this along. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/APPLE-1-Original-1976-Computer-System-1st-Steve-Wozniak-designed-computer-and/174195921349?hash=item288ee2d1c5:g:UNoAAOSwWqtdrkDz I've seen that one before. With Mr.Jobs no longer among the quick, I think that some of the mystique has faded by now. --Chuck
RE: Well Heeled "Rescue"
> > Since I'm a bit short of change I thought I'd pass this along. > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/APPLE-1-Original-1976-Computer-System-1st- > Steve-Wozniak-designed-computer- > and/174195921349?hash=item288ee2d1c5:g:UNoAAOSwWqtdrkDz > > > Will Seller isn't serious. I've made many good offers up to and including the full retail price of $666 and they have all been turned down... Oh well... -Ali
Re: Next project: 11/24. Does it need memory?
Indeed. I had it running 30 years ago, it was my RX01 floppy pdp11. Unfortunately I think I removed, gave away, or something-ed one of the Plessy core memory boards. Which means I can't just boot it and continue where I left off (I seem to recall it ran Dungeon off RX01's). The 11/05 has memory boards as follows: M930/H214 (begin terminator, core plane) G110 G231 G231 G110 Unibus jumper/H214 (end of line) It does not have the KW11 line time clock or the weird serial port that could be run off the CPU. Instead a normal boring DL11. So 2 MM11-L's for 16kw of memory. Why do I have an extra H216 core board lying around. Anyone got an extra 4k of memory lying around? Hm. I guess I could put my DA11-F Unibus window in there and jumper it so that a 4k window of memory on the 11/24 appears on the 11/05. That could work, unless someone has a spare 4/8kw of core they don't need. The Plessy board is stuck in there tight with no easy way to remove. It says its an 8k*16 PM1105. Crap, it might be jumpered for the last 8k. But that does mean I swapped a core board. You know I might have traded it to MG in return for a pair of Sun386i's for CrystelCom's mail and DNS servers. Maybe if he still has it I can trade it for this 216 core plane if he just wants one on his wall. CZ On 10/19/2020 8:25 PM, Guy Sotomayor wrote: On Mon, 2020-10-19 at 20:20 -0400, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: won't work. Maybe I'll just drag out the 11/05 and get that working first, it's got a nice front panel that doesn't lock up often :-) The 11/05 was the first 11 that I repaired and got working. You should note that the 11/05's front panel is driven by the uCode of the CPU. It's connection to the CPU is through a "serial" protocol (it's been too long...I think it's just a big shift register) to keep the pin count (e.g. cost) low. TTFN - Guy
Re: Well Heeled "Rescue"
He probably had to pay 5% sales tax on it. That would come out to 699.30, so offer him an even $700 and he'll probably take it. C On 10/19/2020 9:53 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote: Since I'm a bit short of change I thought I'd pass this along. https://www.ebay.com/itm/APPLE-1-Original-1976-Computer-System-1st- Steve-Wozniak-designed-computer- and/174195921349?hash=item288ee2d1c5:g:UNoAAOSwWqtdrkDz Will Seller isn't serious. I've made many good offers up to and including the full retail price of $666 and they have all been turned down... Oh well... -Ali
Re: RL02 Disk and maybe pdp11 something at auction.
I'm definitely considering it. I'm located in south Jersey so I'm not too far from it. Though if the bids get up to more than nominal, I expect I'll drop out. Grab it. It will probably fit in the Boxter since you can take off the top, so that's not a problem. Will affect handling somewhat. But I really don't need *another* pdp11 right now so glad it will go to a good home. CZ
RE: Well Heeled "Rescue"
> He probably had to pay 5% sales tax on it. That would come out to > 699.30, so offer him an even $700 and he'll probably take it. > > C > No. Sales tax is paid by the buyer. At least that is how eBay is working in CA. If I buy something for $10 my final price is $11 tax included. eBay then pays the sales tax to the state on behalf of the seller. Sales tax is passed on straight to buyers like anywhere else. -Ali
RE: Well Heeled "Rescue"
He probably had to pay 5% sales tax on it. That would come out to 699.30, so offer him an even $700 and he'll probably take it. On Mon, 19 Oct 2020, Ali via cctalk wrote: No. Sales tax is paid by the buyer. At least that is how eBay is working in CA. If I buy something for $10 my final price is $11 tax included. eBay then pays the sales tax to the state on behalf of the seller. Sales tax is passed on straight to buyers like anywhere else. I think that Chris' point is that the ORIGINAL total gross amount for the purchase was $699.30 (including the tax) Therefore, it might be a deal breaker whether you also reimburse what he had paid in sales tax. However, this is not the original owner. He got it USED. He probably didn't pay the sales tax, AND, being a used computer, he probably paid less than retail. He got it in Montreal. Was 5% the sales tax rate in Montreal at the time? Also, in your offers, did you include the $1 that he is demanding for shipping? (Although he states that he will not ship it) Keep in mind that it is out of warranty. It is no longer supported. It is slow, without much memory. It doesn't meet current FCC specs (unshielded wood case) The software hasn't been updated in a long time. None of the current retail software will run on it. He probably doesn't even have an anti-virus program on it. It is even starting to be difficult to get diskettes for it. (which isn't too serious, because it has no drives!) It requires an analog composite monitor. Is the IEC power receptacle original equipment? The documentation is "digital copies", instead of the original books. And, he is trying to get MORE THAN RETAIL for it!
RE: Well Heeled "Rescue"
>https://www.ebay.com/itm/APPLE-1-Original-1976-Computer-System-1st-Steve-Wozniak-designed-computer-and/174195921349 Heh, all very jolly. Thanks everyone for reminding me... of my personal Apple I story. http://everist.org/NobLog/20181001_missing_wave.htm Guy At 08:39 PM 19/10/2020 -0700, you wrote: >>> He probably had to pay 5% sales tax on it. That would come out to >>> 699.30, so offer him an even $700 and he'll probably take it. > >On Mon, 19 Oct 2020, Ali via cctalk wrote: >> No. Sales tax is paid by the buyer. At least that is how eBay is working in >> CA. If I buy something for $10 my final price is $11 tax included. eBay then >> pays the sales tax to the state on behalf of the seller. Sales tax is passed >> on straight to buyers like anywhere else. > >I think that Chris' point is that the ORIGINAL total gross amount for the >purchase was $699.30 (including the tax) Therefore, it might be a deal >breaker whether you also reimburse what he had paid in sales tax. >However, this is not the original owner. He got it USED. He probably >didn't pay the sales tax, AND, being a used computer, he probably paid >less than retail. >He got it in Montreal. Was 5% the sales tax rate in Montreal at the time? > >Also, in your offers, did you include the $1 that he is demanding for >shipping? (Although he states that he will not ship it) > > >Keep in mind that it is out of warranty. >It is no longer supported. >It is slow, without much memory. >It doesn't meet current FCC specs (unshielded wood case) >The software hasn't been updated in a long time. >None of the current retail software will run on it. >He probably doesn't even have an anti-virus program on it. >It is even starting to be difficult to get diskettes for it. >(which isn't too serious, because it has no drives!) >It requires an analog composite monitor. >Is the IEC power receptacle original equipment? >The documentation is "digital copies", instead of the original books. > > >And, he is trying to get MORE THAN RETAIL for it! >
RE: Well Heeled "Rescue"
> I think that Chris' point is that the ORIGINAL total gross amount for > the > purchase was $699.30 (including the tax) Therefore, it might be a deal > breaker whether you also reimburse what he had paid in sales tax. > However, this is not the original owner. He got it USED. He probably > didn't pay the sales tax, AND, being a used computer, he probably paid > less than retail. > He got it in Montreal. Was 5% the sales tax rate in Montreal at the > time? That was my rational as well. He actually got it for "free" (well as a trade-in for an Apple II for which he charged handsomely I suppose). Also as a retailer he was exempt from sales tax until he resold it. Hence sales tax should not be an issue here at all. > > Also, in your offers, did you include the $1 that he is demanding for > shipping? (Although he states that he will not ship it) He is willing to deliver it and even bring Corey Cohen (maybe a name known to Apple guys? I am not familiar with him) if you pay travel cost. I am wondering what is the cost of travel via mule for two male adults these days? He would of course have to send the system next day air priority as I would not want to get any mule hair on the fine wooden case. > Keep in mind that it is out of warranty. Yes, but eBay is willing to sell me a "square trade" warranty. So I should be all set. > It is no longer supported. See above > It is slow, without much memory. It isn't that bad. 640K is more than enough for anyone. This thing can be expanded to 48K so about 1/13 of that so I should be okay. > It doesn't meet current FCC specs (unshielded wood case) Does this even matter anymore? Used to be you had to worry about interference with your TVs but I run a Class A LJ 5500 printer at home and haven't seen any issues yet... > The software hasn't been updated in a long time. > None of the current retail software will run on it. > He probably doesn't even have an anti-virus program on it. > It is even starting to be difficult to get diskettes for it. > (which isn't too serious, because it has no drives!) As you point out it doesn't come with any drives so none of the above really factor in the "offer" decision. > It requires an analog composite monitor. A "Sony TV-115, as recommended by Steve Jobs" comes with the system > Is the IEC power receptacle original equipment? Yes and has been recently reinforced with more glue per the description > The documentation is "digital copies", instead of the original books. That is a deal killer for me. Next you are going to tell me it doesn't even come with the original box and retail packaging! > And, he is trying to get MORE THAN RETAIL for it! Well you can't blame a fellow for trying :D -Ali
