Re: Need a BASIC expert

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021, Brent Hilpert wrote:

It's not clear what you're looking for:
 1. A possible predecessor/origin for the source code or design of the MINCAL 
interpreter,
 2. or, earlier BASIC implementations that had the language features you 
mention.


Well, both with the focus on 1.
I'm trying to find out if there were other earlier implementations of the 
languages that were available for the MINCAL 500 series. Apparently we 
have the only existing system, and all software seem to be lost, so I 
thought I might try to recreate some of it by finding references/sources 
from other systems. I want to start with the BASIC interpreter.


Christian

Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x

[Malte Dehling via cctalk]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 09:53:26PM +0100, Antonio Carlini via cctalk
wrote:
> I've managed to reconstitute my SIMH config and I've checked out a few
> of the ISO files I managed to generate using ddrescue.
> 
> The Mar 89 CONOLD and May 89 CONDIST do not even show up as media
> under Linux. If I get the chance I'll try out the Oxford GAME store
> polisher for one at least of them. As a backup I'll dig out my 3000
> grit sandpaper and try that out.

I have to say I'm a little worried about the sandpaper...  do you have a
spare CD to test the effect on?  Another option might be to send the CD
to someone who does have a store nearby with a CD polisher.  Either way,
I guess the first step would be to find out whether the Oxford GAME
store has one.  Thanks again for your effort!

> I've only looked at a few CONDIST volumes and none of the
> corresponding CONOLD volumes.
> 
> The oldest working one is the 1989 July CONDIST, which read 99.99%
> with ddrescue. It mounts quite happily and I can see the directory.
>
> [...]
> 
> Anyway, it looks like it is all there. However (and there's always a
> "however") the VAXSET kit that started this all off is VAXSET*080* and
> not the hoped for *070*. Interestingly the [.LINE] subdirectory does
> contain some doc files but the [.KIT] directory is empty. I've
> included the CD_CONTENTS.DAT below. From that you can see:
> 
> "VAXSET"  N V8.0 SUB N Y VAXSET080 NO_BINARIES
> 
> which would suggest that the kit didn't ship although the SPD and so
> on did.  No idea why. Until I saw that I assumed that this was the one
> set of files to get whacked, but that seems very unlikely. Especially
> since the 1989 JUL AD CONDIST is the same.

VAXSET is just a combined package consisting of CMS, LSE, SCA, MMS, PCA,
and DTM.  Here's a table of corresponding version numbers I've compiled
from various sources (likely not 100% correct):

|===
| VAXSET  | v5.0 | v6.0 | v7.0 | v8.0 | v9.0 | v10.0
   
| CMS | v2.3 | v3.0 | v3.1 | v3.2 | v3.3 | v3.4
| LSE | v2.1 | v2.2 | v2.2 | v2.3 | v3.0 | v3.1
| SCA | v1.1 | v1.2 | v1.2 | v1.3 | v2.0 | v3.0
| MMS | v2.2 | v2.3 | v2.4 | v2.5 | v2.5 | v2.6
| PCA |?v1.2 | v2.0 | v2.0 | v2.1 | v2.2 | v3.0
| DTM | v2.2 | v2.3 | v2.3 | v3.0 | v3.1 | v3.2

| Release | 1987 | 1988 | 1988 | 1989 | 1990 | 1990
| Minimal VMS |?v4.4 | v4.6 | v4.6 | v5.1 | v5.3 | v5.3
|===

It looks like the individual components of VAXSET v8.0 are on the
1989-07 CONDIST even if VAXSET is listed as NO_BINARIES.  While VAXSET
v8.0 requires VMS v5.1, I'm not sure about its components.  Some of them
may run on (Micro)VMS 4.7.

> I also ran up the MENU.EXE that is included and VAXSET is listed under
> "New Products" and not "Updated Products". My interpretation would be
> that it is not on any earlier CONDIST CDROMs. But it would be nice for
> earlier ones to get flushed out and published!

That's entirely possible, I have no reason to believe VAXSET was on
earlier CONDIST CDs.  Either way, I'm very interested in the older
CONDISTs, too!  This one already contains a few other things I have been
looking for for a while.

> Anyway, over the next few days I'll package up these early CDROMs and
> put them up on either google drive or dropbox. I'll post a link here
> and whoever wants them can grab them. If Al wants them for bitsavers
> that's OK by me.
> 
> I plan to include the ISO, a README.TXT that explains that these are
> all incomplete and I'll attach the ddrescue output, a scan of the CD,
> a SHA256 of the files. I'll tar it up and compress with xz.
> 
> If anyone would prefer some other format or compression or whatever,
> I'm open to suggestions.

Maybe a ZIP file is easier for some people?  Otherwise this sounds good!

Cheers,
Malte

-- 
Malte Dehling

Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x

[Antonio Carlini via cctalk]

On 21/04/2021 22:13, Peter Coghlan via cctalk wrote:

I've just tried ANALYZE/DISK on VAXBINMAY931 which is the oldest I can
put a hand on right now and it gives exactly the same output as you got.



Thanks ... that's reassuring. Individual savesets can be tested with 
BACKUP/LIST or (more extensively) by extracting each BACKUP - that would 
show up any errors.




ZIP is probably most commonly used for compressed archives on VMS.  The
version of ZIP that runs on VMS can save VMS file attributes when told 
to so
that it doesn't lose important attributes for the installation kits 
like tar
would. (I only came across xz anywhere for the first time about a week 
ago...) 


It's true that ZIP is probably the most common archiver on VMS (and I'm 
sure it's on the various OpenVMS FREEWARE disks). That said, I expect 
that most people making such images available for distribution (e.g. 
bitsavers) are not running VMS. I'm planning to distribute an ISO plus 
some extra bits, not the individual backup savesets, so attributes 
shouldn't be a problem. I'd expect that anyone who wants to use this 
stuff will run up SIMH and mount an ISO or possibly burn a CD-R and use 
it that way. I might try zip (under Unix, so gzip) for fun, but I expect 
that xz will beat it hands down for space. I guess an ISO could also be 
accessed using LDDRIVER, although my main constraint back in the day was 
always disk space.



I'm not going to try zip on OpenVMS because ... much as I love VMS, SIMH 
on my laptop just isn't as fast as Linux on a Ryzen!



Antonio


--
Antonio Carlini
anto...@acarlini.com

Re: Apple 3.5" drive issue

[David Williams via cctalk]

On 2021-04-20 17:14, Richard Cini wrote:

If you can hear the eject motor, you may want to inspect the eject
gear. I know I’ve had to replace them on both of my //gs drives.
They’re 3D printed and I think I found them on eBay or one of the 3D
services. I forget. I do remember it was $15 for 2.


Yes it appears to be the gear. Opened up the drive and the eject 
mechanism and the one smaller gear is missing some teeth. Found someone 
posted the stuff you need to 3D print new ones but don't have a 3D 
printer myself. That person also sells them at 12 for $8 so ordered some 
and will see how they do when they come in. I suspect all 6 of the bad 
drives have the same issue.


David Williams
www.trailingedge.com

Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x

[Peter Coghlan via cctalk]

Antonio Carlini wrote:


The oldest working one is the 1989 July CONDIST, which read 99.99% with 
ddrescue. It mounts quite happily and I can see the directory. ANA/DISK 
complains slightly:

[
$ ana/disk dua3:

Analyze/Disk_Structure for _VAX072$DUA3: started on 21-APR-2021 21:11:34.25

%ANALDISK-I-SHORTBITMAP, storage bitmap on RVN 1 does not cover the 
entire device

%ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS
-SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file
]

There's never a QUOTA.SYS on a CDROM, so that's probably OK. Not sure 
about the SHORTBITMAP (it's been a long time since I used VMS as my 
daily driver and I've not had the chance to try an ISO that was read 
with no errors, nor a real CDROM in a real CDROM drive on a real VAX).




I've just tried ANALYZE/DISK on VAXBINMAY931 which is the oldest I can
put a hand on right now and it gives exactly the same output as you got.



I plan to include the ISO, a README.TXT that explains that these are all 
incomplete and I'll attach the ddrescue output, a scan of the CD, a 
SHA256 of the files. I'll tar it up and compress with xz.


If anyone would prefer some other format or compression or whatever, I'm 
open to suggestions.




ZIP is probably most commonly used for compressed archives on VMS.  The
version of ZIP that runs on VMS can save VMS file attributes when told to so
that it doesn't lose important attributes for the installation kits like tar
would. (I only came across xz anywhere for the first time about a week ago...)

Regards,
Peter Coghlan.

Re: Looking for VAXSET Software Engineering Tools for VMS 4.x

[Antonio Carlini via cctalk]

I've managed to reconstitute my SIMH config and I've checked out a few 
of the ISO files I managed to generate using ddrescue.


The Mar 89 CONOLD and May 89 CONDIST do not even show up as media under 
Linux. If I get the chance I'll try out the Oxford GAME store polisher 
for one at least of them. As a backup I'll dig out my 3000 grit 
sandpaper and try that out.


I've only looked at a few CONDIST volumes and none of the corresponding 
CONOLD volumes.


The oldest working one is the 1989 July CONDIST, which read 99.99% with 
ddrescue. It mounts quite happily and I can see the directory. ANA/DISK 
complains slightly:

[
$ ana/disk dua3:

Analyze/Disk_Structure for _VAX072$DUA3: started on 21-APR-2021 21:11:34.25

%ANALDISK-I-SHORTBITMAP, storage bitmap on RVN 1 does not cover the 
entire device

%ANALDISK-I-OPENQUOTA, error opening QUOTA.SYS
-SYSTEM-W-NOSUCHFILE, no such file
]

There's never a QUOTA.SYS on a CDROM, so that's probably OK. Not sure 
about the SHORTBITMAP (it's been a long time since I used VMS as my 
daily driver and I've not had the chance to try an ISO that was read 
with no errors, nor a real CDROM in a real CDROM drive on a real VAX).


Anyway, it looks like it is all there. However (and there's always a 
"however") the VAXSET kit that started this all off is VAXSET*080* and 
not the hoped for *070*. Interestingly the [.LINE] subdirectory does 
contain some doc files but the [.KIT] directory is empty. I've included 
the CD_CONTENTS.DAT below. From that you can see:


"VAXSET"  N V8.0 SUB N Y VAXSET080 NO_BINARIES

which would suggest that the kit didn't ship although the SPD and so on 
did. No idea why. Until I saw that I assumed that this was the one set 
of files to get whacked, but that seems very unlikely. Especially since 
the 1989 JUL AD CONDIST is the same.



I also ran up the MENU.EXE that is included and VAXSET is listed under 
"New Products" and not "Updated Products". My interpretation would be 
that it is not on any earlier CONDIST CDROMs. But it would be nice for 
earlier ones to get flushed out and published!



Anyway, over the next few days I'll package up these early CDROMs and 
put them up on either google drive or dropbox. I'll post a link here and 
whoever wants them can grab them. If Al wants them for bitsavers that's 
OK by me.


I plan to include the ISO, a README.TXT that explains that these are all 
incomplete and I'll attach the ddrescue output, a scan of the CD, a 
SHA256 of the files. I'll tar it up and compress with xz.


If anyone would prefer some other format or compression or whatever, I'm 
open to suggestions.



Antonio





The list of kits on the 1989-07 CONDIST is:

[
$ type cd_contanets ents.dat

%LABEL CD_BIN_90403
%TYPE CONDIST
!
!JULY CONDIST
!--
!PRODUCT NAME UPI INST VERSION KIT CH DIS ROOT SAVESET(S)
!
"AAF01/VMS SUBROUTINE LIBRARY" GEFR Y V2.0 SUB1 A Y AAF01020 AAF01020
"ADF01/VMS SUBROUTINE LIBRARY" 375 Y V4.0 SUB1 A Y ADF01040 ADF01040
"DEC GKS FOR VMS" 810A Y V4.0 SUB N Y DECGKS040 DECGKS040,DECGKSRTO040
"DEC GKS-3D FOR VMS" VFXE Y V1.0 SUB1 N Y DECGKS3D010 DECGKS3D010,DECGKS3DRT
"DECFORMS" VCH Y V1.0 SUB N Y FORMS010 FORMS010,FORMSTR010
"DECNET-VAX"  N V5.1 SUB A Y NETVAX051 NO_BINARIES
"DECNET/SNA DATA TRANSFER FACILITY" VEBA Y V2.0 SUB1 A Y SNADTF020 
SNADTFS020,SNADTFU020
"DECNET/SNA GATEWAY FOR CHANNEL TRANSPORT" VC9 Y V1.0 SUB2 A Y SNACSA010 
SNACSA010
"DECNET/SNA GATEWAY FOR SYNCHRONOUS TRANSPORT" S01A Y V1.0 SUB2 A Y 
SNACST010 SNACST010
"DECNET/SNA VMS 3270 DATA STREAM PROGRAMMING INTERFACE"  Y V1.4 SUB 
N Y SNA3270014 SNA3270014
"DECNET/SNA VMS 3270 TERMINAL EMULATOR" 454A Y V1.5 SUB N Y SNATE015 
SNATE015
"DECNET/SNA VMS APPC/LU6.2 PROGRAMMING INTERFACE" 022A Y V2.1 SUB A Y 
SNALU62021 SNALU62021
"DECNET/SNA VMS APPLICATION PROGRAMMING INTERFACE" 455A Y V2.3 SUB N Y 
SNALU0023 SNALU0023
"DECNET/SNA VMS DISOSS DOCUMENT EXCHANGE FACILITY" 042A Y V1.4 SUB1 A Y 
SNADDXF014 SNADDXF014
"DECNET/SNA VMS DISTRIBUTED HOST COMMAND FACILITY" 043A Y V1.2 SUB N Y 
SNADHCF012 SNADHCF012

"DECNET/SNA VMS GATEWAY MANAGEMENT" 452A Y V2.0 SUB2 A Y SNAGM020 SNAGM020
"DECROUTER 2000" S03 Y V1.1 SUB1 A Y ROU011 ROU011
"DECSERVER 200 FOR VAX/VMS AND MICROVMS" Z06A Y V2.0 SUB A Y DS2020 DS2020
"DECSERVER 500/VMS" Z46 Y V1.1 SUB1 A Y DS5011 DS5011
"DECVOICE SOFTWARE" VFU Y V1.0 SUB A Y VOX010 VOX010
"DRX11-C/VMS DRIVER" S36 Y V6.0 SUB1 A Y DRX11C060 DRX11C060
"EXTERNAL DOCUMENT EXCHANGE WITH IBM DISOSS"  Y V2.1 SUB1 N Y 
EDEDIS021 EDEDIS021

"IEX-VMS-DRIVER" 519A Y V4.0 SUB1 A Y IEX040 IEX040
"IXV/VAXELN DRIVER" VG3A Y V2.0 SUB A Y IXVELN020 IXVELN020
"IXV11/VMS DRIVER" VHZA Y V2.0 SUB A Y IXV11020 IXV11020
"KMV1A MICROVAX DRIVER AND X.25 LINK LEVEL SOFTWARE" VCQA Y V2.0 SUB A Y 
UWX25020 UWX25020

"KMV1A MICROVAX DRIVER" VCPA Y V2.0 SUB A Y UWDRV020 UWDRV020
"MICROVAX MIRA SWITCH CONTROL"  Y V2.1 SUB N Y MRA021 MRA0

Re: PDP 11/23 for sale on Ebay

[jim stephens via cctalk]

On 4/21/2021 12:31 PM, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote:

Well, it probably is lighter than the one with 2 RL02's :-)

On 4/21/2021 2:32 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 8:18 AM Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk
 wrote:


There's a nice, working PDP 11/23 with 20 meg hdd and 1meg (!!) of ram,
with terminal screens indicating full operation.  The asking price is
$900.00, but I imagine the fellow might negotiate.  Shipping is gonna
be a fair penny.



I assume you mean this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154037992233

Item location: Winnetka, California, United States


This is about a 90 minute drive for me.  Don't need another one though.

guessing 50# shipping though, the seller says no shipping, local pickup 
only.

thanks
Jim

Item description:
"This listing is for one DEC PDP 11/23 Computer preloaded with
Micro/RSX v3.1 operating system.  The unit includes a Seagate ST-225
hard drive, and DEC dual floppy drive model RX50.  The CPU is a M8189
KDF11 full size board, and also includes two 512KB full size memory
boards model M8067, for a total of 1024KB memory.  The unit also has
an IEEE GPIB card M7954 and a 4 line ASYNC Mux board with rear panel
ports, model M3106.  The controller is an RQDX-3 QBUS controller,
model M7555.  The CRT monitor is not included.  The unit is in very
nice condition and has been tested and verified to be in perfect
working condition and ready for use.  This unit is for local pickup
only."

Re: PDP 11/23 for sale on Ebay

[Chris Zach via cctalk]

Well, it probably is lighter than the one with 2 RL02's :-)

On 4/21/2021 2:32 PM, Glen Slick via cctalk wrote:

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 8:18 AM Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk
 wrote:


There's a nice, working PDP 11/23 with 20 meg hdd and 1meg (!!) of ram,
with terminal screens indicating full operation.  The asking price is
$900.00, but I imagine the fellow might negotiate.  Shipping is gonna
be a fair penny.



I assume you mean this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154037992233

Item location: Winnetka, California, United States

Item description:
"This listing is for one DEC PDP 11/23 Computer preloaded with
Micro/RSX v3.1 operating system.  The unit includes a Seagate ST-225
hard drive, and DEC dual floppy drive model RX50.  The CPU is a M8189
KDF11 full size board, and also includes two 512KB full size memory
boards model M8067, for a total of 1024KB memory.  The unit also has
an IEEE GPIB card M7954 and a 4 line ASYNC Mux board with rear panel
ports, model M3106.  The controller is an RQDX-3 QBUS controller,
model M7555.  The CRT monitor is not included.  The unit is in very
nice condition and has been tested and verified to be in perfect
working condition and ready for use.  This unit is for local pickup
only."

Re: Apple 3.5" drive issue

[David Williams via cctalk]

On 2021-04-21 08:35, Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk wrote:


I have forgotten, is this the same drive type where the lubrication
eventually turns gummy and needs to be cleaned off and replaced by
something with the original, relatively low viscosity? I recall that
being an issue with some 3.5” drives.


I think so. I found a YouTube video where someone is repairing these 
drives and they were doing a lot of lubricating. Replacing a gear that 
broke as well but mostly cleaning and lubricating everything.


David Williams
www.trailingedge.com

Re: PDP 11/23 for sale on Ebay

[Glen Slick via cctalk]

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021 at 8:18 AM Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> There's a nice, working PDP 11/23 with 20 meg hdd and 1meg (!!) of ram,
> with terminal screens indicating full operation.  The asking price is
> $900.00, but I imagine the fellow might negotiate.  Shipping is gonna
> be a fair penny.
>

I assume you mean this one:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/154037992233

Item location: Winnetka, California, United States

Item description:
"This listing is for one DEC PDP 11/23 Computer preloaded with
Micro/RSX v3.1 operating system.  The unit includes a Seagate ST-225
hard drive, and DEC dual floppy drive model RX50.  The CPU is a M8189
KDF11 full size board, and also includes two 512KB full size memory
boards model M8067, for a total of 1024KB memory.  The unit also has
an IEEE GPIB card M7954 and a 4 line ASYNC Mux board with rear panel
ports, model M3106.  The controller is an RQDX-3 QBUS controller,
model M7555.  The CRT monitor is not included.  The unit is in very
nice condition and has been tested and verified to be in perfect
working condition and ready for use.  This unit is for local pickup
only."

Re: Need a BASIC expert

[Brent Hilpert via cctalk]

On 2021-Apr-21, at 1:49 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote:
> I'm trying to find out if the BASIC dialect that was available for the MINCAL 
> computers (aboutn 1971) was something derived from another "system" or 
> whether it was an own dialect.
> 
> Some characteristic instructions that I can't find somewhere else are:
> - Formatted output with PRINT FOR()
>  Example: PRINT FOR(F5.0)500.1
> - Computed GOTO with GOTO  OF n1,n2,...
>  Example: GOTO A+B+1 OF 100,20,50
> - Presence of "DEF FN", lack of RESTORE for DATA/READ constructs.
> 
> This BASIC must have been around 1970-1972.

It's not clear what you're looking for:
  1. A possible predecessor/origin for the source code or design of the MINCAL 
interpreter,
  2. or, earlier BASIC implementations that had the language features you 
mention.

If 2:
  - HPBASIC for the late-60s HP2100 machines (2115,2115,2114) has DEF FN. (Date 
of source reference: 4/70).
  - the HP9830 (released 1972) has both DEF FN and computed goto (as well as 
computed gosub).
  - The 9830 has very Fortran-ish WRITE and FORMAT statements.

DEF FN was nothing new, it was apparently in the original Dartmouth.

RE: FTAG: AlphaServer DS15, Sun T5140, Sun Blade 10, HP Proliant DL380 G7, VT220 [London, UK]

[Rob Jarratt via cctalk]

I would be happy to take the VT220 but I am in Manchester and unlikely to 
travel to London just for this. I have had one posted successfully before, 
happy to cover any costs for good packing, postage and for your time.

Regards

Rob

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Andrew Luke
> Nesbit via cctalk
> Sent: 21 April 2021 13:27
> To: The Rescue List ; cctalk@classiccmp.org;
> t...@tuhs.org
> Subject: FTAG: AlphaServer DS15, Sun T5140, Sun Blade 10, HP Proliant DL380
> G7, VT220 [London, UK]
> 
> Hello all again,
> 
> With a heavy heart I need to find a new home for the following beautiful
> hardware:
> 
> -   AlphaServer DS15 server
> -   Sun SPARC Enterprise T5140 1U rack server
> -   Sun Blade 10 mini tower
> -   HP Proliant DL380 G7 2U rack server
> -   DEC VT220 with screen, keyboard, and various adapter cables
> 
> Please note that the Sun T5140 and HP DL380 are deep (700mm for purposes
> of installation in a rack).
> 
> I'm starting a new job next week and intend to focus on that and my family.
> I've stopped working on various projects and I am vacating my studio
> workshop, so I have a lot of things to give away or sell.
> 
> The above items are all FREE FOR COLLECTION ONLY (a car will be fine to
> transport the above items).
> 
> I am located in London, UK.  Post code is N15 4QL (Seven Sisters and
> Tottenham Hale) in Haringey, London.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Andrew

Re: Need a BASIC expert

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021, it was written

If there are FORTRAN-esque commands added to the core Dartmouth version I
would search for another instance prior to MINICAL where this was done.

Back then BASIC flavors and adaptations were becomming common so it may
simply be MINICAL BASIC would have been just as easy for a period
programmer to whip up from scratch.


Minor correction: it's MINCAL (as in Dietz MINCAL), not MINICAL.

Christian

PDP 11/23 for sale on Ebay

[Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk]

There's a nice, working PDP 11/23 with 20 meg hdd and 1meg (!!) of ram,
with terminal screens indicating full operation.  The asking price is
$900.00, but I imagine the fellow might negotiate.  Shipping is gonna
be a fair penny.

best,

Jeff

Re: FTAG: AlphaServer DS15, Sun T5140, Sun Blade 10, HP Proliant DL380 G7, VT220 [London, UK]

[Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk]

On 21/04/2021 13:27, Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk wrote:
With a heavy heart I need to find a new home for the following beautiful 
hardware:



-   Sun Blade 10 mini tower


I've just realized this is a typo.  It should be:

-   Sun Ultra 10 mini tower

I will write to all who have expressed interest in this particular item.

Andrew

Re: Apple 3.5" drive issue

[Tapley, Mark B. via cctalk]

> On Apr 20, 2021, at 5:14 PM, Richard Cini via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> [EXTERNAL EMAIL]
> 
> If you can hear the eject motor, you may want to inspect the eject gear. I 
> know I’ve had to replace them on both of my //gs drives. They’re 3D printed 
> and I think I found them on eBay or one of the 3D services. I forget. I do 
> remember it was $15 for 2.
> 
> http://cini.classiccmp.org/
> Long Island S100 User’s Group
> 
> Get Outlook for iOS
> 
> 
> From: cctalk  on behalf of David Williams via 
> cctalk 
> Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 5:56:13 PM
> To: CCTalk 
> Subject: Apple 3.5" drive issue
> 
> Moved recently and finally have space to set up the collection and play
> with it. I've set up my Apple IIgs and a Macintosh Plus and in testing
> they are still working but while doing so I've noticed an issue with the
> 3.5" drives. I have an Apple Superdrive and 4 Apple 3.5 Drives on the
> IIgs and where they all work as far as reading and writing, only the
> Superdrive can actually eject the disks. The Mac Plus has the internal
> drive and an external Apple 800K drive, both of which work except not
> being able to eject disks either. So out of 7 drives, I have one that
> doesn't need a paperclip to eject the disk. Haven't opened them up to
> look at them yet, wanted to see if this is common and suggestions on
> possible causes to check.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
> David Williams
> www.trailingedge.com

I have forgotten, is this the same drive type where the lubrication eventually 
turns gummy and needs to be cleaned off and replaced by something with the 
original, relatively low viscosity? I recall that being an issue with some 3.5” 
drives.
- Mark

Re: Need a BASIC expert

[Daniel Seagraves via cctalk]

> On Apr 21, 2021, at 6:19 AM, Bill Degnan via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> It is not too hard to imagine a professional programmer who took a copy of
> Dartmouth BASIC and adapted it for this flavor of BASIC, but I personally
> dont have any reference docs about it or proof.

I’m not sure I would describe it as “professional” but at one point my employer 
did pay me to hack up a copy of Bywater BASIC to produce CGI headers rather 
than its usual banner. This was so we would have .bas files starting with 
#!/usr/bin/basic that were called as CGI executables.

Re: FTAG: AlphaServer DS15, Sun T5140, Sun Blade 10, HP Proliant DL380 G7, VT220 [London, UK]

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 at 14:27, Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> Hello all again,
>
> With a heavy heart I need to find a new home for the following beautiful
> hardware:
>
> -   AlphaServer DS15 server
> -   Sun SPARC Enterprise T5140 1U rack server
> -   Sun Blade 10 mini tower
> -   HP Proliant DL380 G7 2U rack server
> -   DEC VT220 with screen, keyboard, and various adapter cables
>
> Please note that the Sun T5140 and HP DL380 are deep (700mm for purposes
> of installation in a rack).
>
> I'm starting a new job next week and intend to focus on that and my
> family.  I've stopped working on various projects and I am vacating my
> studio workshop, so I have a lot of things to give away or sell.
>
> The above items are all FREE FOR COLLECTION ONLY (a car will be fine to
> transport the above items).
>
> I am located in London, UK.  Post code is N15 4QL (Seven Sisters and
> Tottenham Hale) in Haringey, London.

Would you like me to cross-post this to some relevant FB groups, such
as "Vintage UNIX Machine Enthusiasts (AT&T, SUN, SGI, DEC, HP, NeXT,
IBM, Etc.)"...? Anonymised, obviously.


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Re: FTAG: AlphaServer DS15, Sun T5140, Sun Blade 10, HP Proliant DL380 G7, VT220 [London, UK]

[Christian Groessler via cctalk]

On 4/21/21 2:41 PM, mazzinia--- via cctalk wrote:

Ach,

If only I was in UK  ☹



Me too :-(




-Original Message-
From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Andrew Luke Nesbit 
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 2:27 PM
To: The Rescue List ; cctalk@classiccmp.org; t...@tuhs.org
Subject: FTAG: AlphaServer DS15, Sun T5140, Sun Blade 10, HP Proliant DL380 G7, 
VT220 [London, UK]

Hello all again,

With a heavy heart I need to find a new home for the following beautiful
hardware:

-   AlphaServer DS15 server
-   Sun SPARC Enterprise T5140 1U rack server
-   Sun Blade 10 mini tower
-   HP Proliant DL380 G7 2U rack server
-   DEC VT220 with screen, keyboard, and various adapter cables

Please note that the Sun T5140 and HP DL380 are deep (700mm for purposes of 
installation in a rack).

I'm starting a new job next week and intend to focus on that and my family.  
I've stopped working on various projects and I am vacating my studio workshop, 
so I have a lot of things to give away or sell.

The above items are all FREE FOR COLLECTION ONLY (a car will be fine to 
transport the above items).

I am located in London, UK.  Post code is N15 4QL (Seven Sisters and Tottenham 
Hale) in Haringey, London.

Kind regards,

Andrew

RE: FTAG: AlphaServer DS15, Sun T5140, Sun Blade 10, HP Proliant DL380 G7, VT220 [London, UK]

[mazzinia--- via cctalk]

Ach,

If only I was in UK  ☹

-Original Message-
From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Andrew Luke Nesbit 
via cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, April 21, 2021 2:27 PM
To: The Rescue List ; cctalk@classiccmp.org; t...@tuhs.org
Subject: FTAG: AlphaServer DS15, Sun T5140, Sun Blade 10, HP Proliant DL380 G7, 
VT220 [London, UK]

Hello all again,

With a heavy heart I need to find a new home for the following beautiful
hardware:

-   AlphaServer DS15 server
-   Sun SPARC Enterprise T5140 1U rack server
-   Sun Blade 10 mini tower
-   HP Proliant DL380 G7 2U rack server
-   DEC VT220 with screen, keyboard, and various adapter cables

Please note that the Sun T5140 and HP DL380 are deep (700mm for purposes of 
installation in a rack).

I'm starting a new job next week and intend to focus on that and my family.  
I've stopped working on various projects and I am vacating my studio workshop, 
so I have a lot of things to give away or sell.

The above items are all FREE FOR COLLECTION ONLY (a car will be fine to 
transport the above items).

I am located in London, UK.  Post code is N15 4QL (Seven Sisters and Tottenham 
Hale) in Haringey, London.

Kind regards,

Andrew

FTAG: AlphaServer DS15, Sun T5140, Sun Blade 10, HP Proliant DL380 G7, VT220 [London, UK]

[Andrew Luke Nesbit via cctalk]

Hello all again,

With a heavy heart I need to find a new home for the following beautiful 
hardware:


-   AlphaServer DS15 server
-   Sun SPARC Enterprise T5140 1U rack server
-   Sun Blade 10 mini tower
-   HP Proliant DL380 G7 2U rack server
-   DEC VT220 with screen, keyboard, and various adapter cables

Please note that the Sun T5140 and HP DL380 are deep (700mm for purposes 
of installation in a rack).


I'm starting a new job next week and intend to focus on that and my 
family.  I've stopped working on various projects and I am vacating my 
studio workshop, so I have a lot of things to give away or sell.


The above items are all FREE FOR COLLECTION ONLY (a car will be fine to 
transport the above items).


I am located in London, UK.  Post code is N15 4QL (Seven Sisters and 
Tottenham Hale) in Haringey, London.


Kind regards,

Andrew

Re: Need a BASIC expert

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

It is not too hard to imagine a professional programmer who took a copy of
Dartmouth BASIC and adapted it for this flavor of BASIC, but I personally
dont have any reference docs about it or proof.

If there are FORTRAN-esque commands added to the core Dartmouth version I
would search for another instance prior to MINICAL where this was done.

Back then BASIC flavors and adaptations were becomming common so it may
simply be MINICAL BASIC would have been just as easy for a period
programmer to whip up from scratch.

Bill


On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 4:50 AM Christian Corti via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Hi,
>
> I'm trying to find out if the BASIC dialect that was available for the
> MINCAL computers (aboutn 1971) was something derived from another "system"
> or whether it was an own dialect.
>
> Some characteristic instructions that I can't find somewhere else are:
> - Formatted output with PRINT FOR()
>Example: PRINT FOR(F5.0)500.1
> - Computed GOTO with GOTO  OF n1,n2,...
>Example: GOTO A+B+1 OF 100,20,50
> - Presence of "DEF FN", lack of RESTORE for DATA/READ constructs.
>
> This BASIC must have been around 1970-1972.
>
> Christian
>

Need a BASIC expert

[Christian Corti via cctalk]

Hi,

I'm trying to find out if the BASIC dialect that was available for the 
MINCAL computers (aboutn 1971) was something derived from another "system" 
or whether it was an own dialect.


Some characteristic instructions that I can't find somewhere else are:
- Formatted output with PRINT FOR()
  Example: PRINT FOR(F5.0)500.1
- Computed GOTO with GOTO  OF n1,n2,...
  Example: GOTO A+B+1 OF 100,20,50
- Presence of "DEF FN", lack of RESTORE for DATA/READ constructs.

This BASIC must have been around 1970-1972.

Christian

Photo Sharing (Was RE: DEC BA11-K KY11-L mounting brackets -- how?)

[Dave Wade G4UGM via cctalk]

> Wow, sorry about that...  Do folks here have an alternative service they
> like/recommend for sharing linked photos to the list?
> 

They work fine for me in the "New" Edge, Chrome and Firefox.  Noel, do you
have the updated Chromium based Edge or "Legacy" edge ? 
Not sure why they don't work for Noel in edge. If anyone still has the old
now called "Legacy" Microsoft Edge note it is no longer supported or updated
and its probably time to ditch it ...

https://www.theverge.com/2021/3/9/22321779/microsoft-edge-legacy-spartan-bro
wser-support-ended

In my experience some one has issues with every photo sharing site I have
used.

> cheers,
>   --FritzM.
> 
> 


Dave