Re: Found my favorite DOS editor

[Carlos E Murillo-Sanchez via cctalk]

Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

On 9/28/21 2:19 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:

Editors are like religion once you have a favorite you defend it like
crazy.

My lovely wife still uses QEdit under a DOS emulator running on Linux.

I occasionally still use an editor that I wrote for CP/M-80, and then
ported to MS-DOS.  The advantage is that it's very small and I can
modify it at will.

--Chuck
I used see.exe early with MS-DOS, that you could record macros with.  I 
liked terse.com's 4K footprint.  Much later, I liked QEdit's capability 
to move rectangular blocks of text (composed of both rows and columns).  
Then again, when I was required to work across MS-DOS, Windows and 
several Unix flavors, I standardized on vi or related clones.  WATCOM C 
for MS-DOS or Windows came with a pretty good vi.  There was also 
ELVIS.  And, VIM was easy to port across many OSs, including VMS (all my 
VMS machines have it).  For the Mac, there is TextWrangler (free version 
of BBEdit), with many useful capabilities (such as editing a remote file 
via an sftp:// URL, for example).


Carlos.

Anyone out there with a working Victor 9000 (US only)?

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

Got a small batch (8) of Victor 9000 floppies, MSDOS ca. 1985.   I
really don't want to write a decoder for such a small batch--I've got
other things on the burner right now.   Anyone want to take a crack at
transferring the data?   (Funds available).

--Chuck

Re: Terminal Emulator

[Lee Courtney via cctalk]

We use Teraterm at work - adequate, free, open-source(if that's important),
meets our needs for embedded development across a wide variety of
platforms.

YMMV,

Lee Courtney

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 11:57 AM Mike Katz via cctalk 
wrote:

> I am looking for a good terminal emulator.  Not for connecting to older
> computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
> Do any of you have any recommendations.
>
> I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
>
> I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
> can't remember the name of.
>
> Here are my needs:
>
> 1.  Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
> 2.  Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
> 3.  Can use any Windows Com Port.
> 4.  Can send files as raw binary
> 5.  Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
> 6.  Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
> 7.  Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers,
> preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
>  45 76 65 72 79
>   EV   E   R   Y
> 8.  Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
> 9.  Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters)
> 10. Costs less than $100
> 11.  Can Capture what comes in the port
> 12.  Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you
> type)
> 13.  Has a large scroll back buffer.
> 14.  Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
> 15.  Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
> without crashing.
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
>
>

-- 
Lee Courtney
+1-650-704-3934 cell

Re: Terminal Emulator

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 6:02 PM, ben via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> On 2021-09-30 1:18 p.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
>> I would ask Dave Mcguire (LSSM)
>> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 2:57 PM Mike Katz via cctalk 
>> wrote:
>>> I am looking for a good terminal emulator.  Not for connecting to older
>>> computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
>>> Do any of you have any recommendations.
>>> 
>>> I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
>>> 
>>> I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
>>> can't remember the name of.
>>> 
>>> Here are my needs:  

I like minicom, on Unix (Linux or Mac).  Don't know about Windows, I avoid that 
like the plague.  It's open source, free.

>>> ...
>>> 15.  Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
>>> without crashing.
>>> 
>>> Thank you
>>> 
> ...
> 15 USB serial and USB sticks don't work together. You need a cold reboot
> often to find the other device.

That depends on whether you have a real OS or not.  I've never seen problems on 
Mac with USB insert/remove, including with strange USB devices I built myself.

paul

Re: Terminal Emulator

[Warner Losh via cctalk]

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 4:02 PM ben via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 2021-09-30 1:18 p.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:
> > I would ask Dave Mcguire (LSSM)
> >
> > On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 2:57 PM Mike Katz via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am looking for a good terminal emulator.  Not for connecting to older
> >> computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
> >> Do any of you have any recommendations.
> >>
> >> I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
> >>
> >> I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
> >> can't remember the name of.
> >>
> >> Here are my needs:
> >>
> >> 1.  Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
> >> 2.  Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
> >> 3.  Can use any Windows Com Port.
> >> 4.  Can send files as raw binary
> >> 5.  Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
> >> 6.  Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
> >> 7.  Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers,
> >> preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
> >>   45 76 65 72 79
> >>EV   E   R   Y
> >> 8.  Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
> >> 9.  Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text
> characters)
> >> 10. Costs less than $100
> >> 11.  Can Capture what comes in the port
> >> 12.  Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you
> >> type)
> >> 13.  Has a large scroll back buffer.
> >> 14.  Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
> >> 15.  Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
> >> without crashing.
> >>
> >> Thank you
> >>
> Why just V100 and friends?  How about
> more of the vintage terminals of the 70's.
>

I'll point to the Sun NeWS terminal emulator that was termcap (or was it
terminfo) driven...

Warner


> Since we have bit mapped graphics,we can finally have over striked
> characters for ALGOL or APL.
> Ben.
> PS
> 15 USB serial and USB sticks don't work together. You need a cold reboot
> often to find the other device.
>
>
>
>

Re: Terminal Emulator

[ben via cctalk]

On 2021-09-30 1:18 p.m., Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote:

I would ask Dave Mcguire (LSSM)

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 2:57 PM Mike Katz via cctalk 
wrote:


I am looking for a good terminal emulator.  Not for connecting to older
computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
Do any of you have any recommendations.

I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.

I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
can't remember the name of.

Here are my needs:

1.  Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
2.  Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
3.  Can use any Windows Com Port.
4.  Can send files as raw binary
5.  Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
6.  Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
7.  Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers,
preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
  45 76 65 72 79
   EV   E   R   Y
8.  Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
9.  Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters)
10. Costs less than $100
11.  Can Capture what comes in the port
12.  Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you
type)
13.  Has a large scroll back buffer.
14.  Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
15.  Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
without crashing.

Thank you


Why just V100 and friends?  How about
more of the vintage terminals of the 70's.
Since we have bit mapped graphics,we can finally have over striked
characters for ALGOL or APL.
Ben.
PS
15 USB serial and USB sticks don't work together. You need a cold reboot
often to find the other device.

Re: Terminal Emulator

[John H. Reinhardt via cctalk]

I've been using a terminal emulator called ZOC. It comes in Windows and Mac 
flavors (I use the Mac) It seems to fit most of your criteria.  I've been using 
it since V6 (current is V8) for connection to many different PDP-11's, VAXen, 
Alphas, RasPi, device serial ports on switches, routers and storage servers. 
Setup can be a bit confusing at first.  The app manages config files for 
keyboard types (yes, keyboards are configurable - somewhat) and connection 
types.  I ended up creating a generic standard config for VAXen, PDP, Alpha, 
etc and then saving a customized version for each individual system.  They all 
get linked together by the connection manager.

Product Page: https://www.emtec.com/zoc/index.html
Features:  https://www.emtec.com/zoc/features.html

It has a 30 day free trial with no limitations so you can try it and see.

On 9/30/2021 1:57 PM, Mike Katz via cctalk wrote:

I am looking for a good terminal emulator.  Not for connecting to older 
computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
Do any of you have any recommendations.

I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.

I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I can't 
remember the name of.

Here are my needs:

1.  Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)

    Yes - Windows 7, 8 , 10 and probably 11 when it comes

2. Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)

    Yes - Baud rates from 300 to 921600 (460800 is the closest to 500k)

3. Can use any Windows Com Port.

    Not sure as I don't use Windows but I imagine any COM port will work

4. Can send files as raw binary

    Yes - Raw Binary or as ASCII

5. Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)

    Yes - XModem, ZModem, YMode, Kermit, SCP, Sealink (?)

6. Has some kind of basic VT-100 support

    Yes - VT100 or VT200 plus other Non-DEC

7. Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers, 
preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
        45 76 65 72 79
 E    V   E   R   Y

    No...  I don't see an option for this.  But I've never seen an emulator 
that does.  You have one?

8. Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.

    Doesn't appear to be able to do this.  But it might be possible with a 
programmed macro (yes, it has a scripting language)

9. Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters)

    Might be possible with the scripting language.

10. Costs less than $100

    Price is $79.99 US or €79 for a version license.  Currently V8. When V9 
comes then upgrade is $29.99 US or €29

11. Can Capture what comes in the port

    Yes - Multiple logging and screen capture options

12. Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you type)

    Yes - Part of terminal settings

13. Has a large scroll back buffer.

    Yes - user selectable to about as large as your computer can handle

14. Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.

    Yes - Optional Tool bar and user defined buttons

15. Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter without 
crashing.

    I don't think I have tried.  There have been a couple times when it's hung 
up on me but that was possibly odd output from a bum serial port.


Thank you






--
John H. Reinhardt

Re: Terminal Emulator

[Bill Degnan via cctalk]

I would ask Dave Mcguire (LSSM)

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 2:57 PM Mike Katz via cctalk 
wrote:

> I am looking for a good terminal emulator.  Not for connecting to older
> computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.
> Do any of you have any recommendations.
>
> I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.
>
> I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I
> can't remember the name of.
>
> Here are my needs:
>
> 1.  Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
> 2.  Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
> 3.  Can use any Windows Com Port.
> 4.  Can send files as raw binary
> 5.  Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
> 6.  Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
> 7.  Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers,
> preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:
>  45 76 65 72 79
>   EV   E   R   Y
> 8.  Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
> 9.  Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters)
> 10. Costs less than $100
> 11.  Can Capture what comes in the port
> 12.  Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you
> type)
> 13.  Has a large scroll back buffer.
> 14.  Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
> 15.  Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter
> without crashing.
>
> Thank you
>
>
>
>
>

Re: SIMH KL10 usage guide? Hints? and

[Phil Budne via cctalk]

> Also trying to figure out how to set switches as in other KA/KL sims.
> I can't seem to find a means of doing that in RC's KL.

https://github.com/rcornwell/sims/blob/master/PDP10/kl10_fe.c
has:
extern uint64  SW;   /* Switch register */

/* Handle secondary protocol */
void dte_second(UNIT *uptr) {
...
case SEC_RDSW:  /* Read switch register */
 M[SEC_DTSWR + base] = SW;
 M[SEC_DTF11 + base] = SW;
 break;

In kx10_cpu.c
uint64  SW;   /* Switch register */^M

REG cpu_reg[] = {
...
{ ORDATAD (SW, SW, 36, "Console SW Register"), REG_FIT},

This seems to work for me:
$ ./BIN/pdp10-kl
KL-10 simulator V4.0-0 Currentgit commit id: de400c67
sim> show 
Too few arguments
sim> show cpu
CPU idle disabled, Serial: 1025 (default)
4MW, KL10A
sim> ex SW
SW: 
sim> dep SW 1  
sim> ex sw
SW: 0001

Terminal Emulator

[Mike Katz via cctalk]

I am looking for a good terminal emulator.  Not for connecting to older 
computers serially but to connect with my embedded designs.

Do any of you have any recommendations.

I've been using Realterm for years but it's not very good.

I used UCON, hyper term, terra term, telix (going way back) and a few I 
can't remember the name of.


Here are my needs:

1.  Runs under Windows 10 (linux optionally)
2.  Has user selectable baud rates (I use 500K baud frequently)
3.  Can use any Windows Com Port.
4.  Can send files as raw binary
5.  Has X-modem built in (nice but optional)
6.  Has some kind of basic VT-100 support
7.  Can display both ascii characters and binary data has hex numbers, 
preferably on alternate lines (hex above the ascii character like this:

        45 76 65 72 79
 E    V   E   R   Y
8.  Can send short manually entered strings in hex or ascii.
9.  Can recognize protocols (based on start and/or end of text characters)
10. Costs less than $100
11.  Can Capture what comes in the port
12.  Has local echo (when connected to systems that don't echo what you 
type)

13.  Has a large scroll back buffer.
14.  Has programmable macro buttons or function keys.
15.  Can handle removal and insertion of the TTL to Serial USB converter 
without crashing.


Thank you

Re: MD5 list of bitsavers files

[Al Kossow via cctalk]

On 9/30/21 10:47 AM, Antonio Carlini via cctalk wrote:

Alternatively, is the current manx database available anywhere? 

Richard Thompson should be maintaining it.

Now that bitsavers is on a machine that I have a shell account on I need
to start generating fixity information for the files there.

Re: SIMH KL10 usage guide? Hints? and

[Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk]

Bob Smith via cctalk  writes:
> I am hoping someone here knows Richard Cornwell, driving force behind
> KL10B SimH and associated forks.

Yes, I do.  I would suggest you contact Richard directly, either by
posting an issue to his GitHub repository, or by email.

https://github.com/rcornwell/sims/
http://sky-visions.com/

> Also trying to figure out how to set switches as in other KA/KL sims.
> I can't seem to find a means of doing that in RC's KL.

I'm using his KL10 for running ITS.  Here is an example:
https://github.com/PDP-10/its/blob/master/build/pdp10-kl/run

MD5 list of bitsavers files

[Antonio Carlini via cctalk]

I'm trying to list out the document scans I have and work out which are 
already on bitsavers and which are not (and, indeed, a fair few of these 
are originally from bitsavers anyway). This is probably several thousand 
files total, so searching manx by hand is not an option!


I see that manx lists the MD5 checksum for many files, at least it does 
for those from bitsavers. Is there a publicly available list of URL and 
MD5 checksum? This would make it relatively easy for me to cross check 
my files against the list and whittle down to a subset that I should 
make available.



Alternatively, is the current manx database available anywhere? I know 
the code is on github, but I didn't see the data there. (I do have an 
SQL dump from 2010 when manx changed hands, but that's not recent enough 
to save much).


I could try to do some parsing of bitsavers-filename => DEC-part-number 
and eliminate files that way, but that seems inexact at best. Or I could 
just download the DEC subset of files (spread across the mirrors) but 
that seems a bit antisocial.



Antonio


--
Antonio Carlini
anto...@acarlini.com

SIMH KL10 usage guide? Hints? and

[Bob Smith via cctalk]

I am hoping someone here knows Richard Cornwell, driving force behind
KL10B SimH and associated forks.

Not sure how to raise the issue of simulated RP07 drives size not
matching RPO7 and looking like RPO6.
Also trying to figure out how to set switches as in other KA/KL sims.
I can't seem to find a means of doing that in RC's KL.
Is there a usage template? I have found the docs that describe it and
tte config but the questions above are not evident in my reading, does
not mean the data is not there, just I have not found the clue path.

thanks for any help or pointers!
bad bob

Re: PDP-11/05 Fault?

[Joshua Rice via cctalk]

-- Original Message --
From: "Jerry Weiss via cctalk" 
To: "Paul Koning" ; "General Discussion: 
On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts" ; "Nigel Williams" 


Sent: Thursday, 30 Sep, 2021 At 15:08
Subject: Re: PDP-11/05 Fault?
On 9/30/21 8:12 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
On Sep 30, 2021, at 1:02 AM, Nigel Williams 
 wrote:

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 10:49 AM Paul Koning via cctalk
 wrote:
I see that the PDP-11 architecture handbook doesn't seem to be on 
Bitsavers...

Do you mean this handbook?
http://wwcm.synology.me/pdf/EB-23657-18%20PDP-11%20Architecture%20Handbook.pdf 


ORDER CODE: EB-23657-18
(from here: http://wwcm.synology.me/scanned.html 
 )
Yes, that's the one.  Excellent reference, it's the only place where 
I've seen that entire large tables (52 entries) of model differences.

paul

The same table is also in EK-DCJ11-UG-PRE_J11ug_Oct83.pdf.  I find the 
latter just a bit easier to read.

   Jerry


That book multiplies like rabbits though. I swear, any time i buy any 
new PDP-11 literature, i somehow end up with another copy. They're not 
that rare (or maybe i'm just lucky)



Josh

Re: PDP-11/05 Fault?

[Jerry Weiss via cctalk]

On 9/30/21 8:12 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:



On Sep 30, 2021, at 1:02 AM, Nigel Williams  
wrote:

On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 10:49 AM Paul Koning via cctalk
 wrote:

I see that the PDP-11 architecture handbook doesn't seem to be on Bitsavers...

Do you mean this handbook?

http://wwcm.synology.me/pdf/EB-23657-18%20PDP-11%20Architecture%20Handbook.pdf

ORDER CODE: EB-23657-18

(from here: http://wwcm.synology.me/scanned.html)

Yes, that's the one.  Excellent reference, it's the only place where I've seen 
that entire large tables (52 entries) of model differences.

paul



The same table is also in EK-DCJ11-UG-PRE_J11ug_Oct83.pdf.  I find the 
latter just a bit easier to read.


   Jerry

Re: PDP-11/05 Fault?

[Paul Koning via cctalk]

> On Sep 30, 2021, at 1:02 AM, Nigel Williams  
> wrote:
> 
> On Thu, Sep 30, 2021 at 10:49 AM Paul Koning via cctalk
>  wrote:
>> I see that the PDP-11 architecture handbook doesn't seem to be on 
>> Bitsavers...
> 
> Do you mean this handbook?
> 
> http://wwcm.synology.me/pdf/EB-23657-18%20PDP-11%20Architecture%20Handbook.pdf
> 
> ORDER CODE: EB-23657-18
> 
> (from here: http://wwcm.synology.me/scanned.html)

Yes, that's the one.  Excellent reference, it's the only place where I've seen 
that entire large tables (52 entries) of model differences.

paul

Re: HP-UX on HP 9000/217

[Plamen Mihaylov via cctalk]

The version for 200 series is called 5.17
Good luck finding it…

On Thursday, September 23, 2021, Paul Berger via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> On 2021-09-13 9:21 p.m., Larkin Nickle via cctalk wrote:
>
>> Hey all,
>>
>> According to http://bitsavers.trailing-edge
>> .com/pdf/hp/9000_200/9000-200_periphSupp_Dec89.pdf (see PDF page 2), it
>> seems as if HP-UX 5.1 should work on the 9000/217.
>> http://hparchive.com/Catalogs/HP-Catalog-1986.pdf also seems to confirm
>> this (PDF page 71 under Series 200 Bundled Systems, it's mentioned that the
>> Model 217 can run single-user HP-UX). However, there seems to be conflicted
>> information based on people that I've talked to and the hpmuseum page with
>> a copy of HP-UX 5.1 whether it should work at all, whether 5.1 is a unified
>> release where the boot floppy should work on both series 200 and 300, or
>> whether there's another boot floppy for series 200 which apparently has not
>> been archived.
>>
>> I recently obtained a Model 217 and would like to know if anyone has
>> more info on this, the two people that I know of that have tried it get a
>> hang on boot.
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Larkin
>>
>
> It would seem likely that there is a separate boot diskette for 200 series
> machines that so far no one has found a copy of.  The only thing I
> succeeded in booting the 5.1 that is available on hpmuseum.net is a 310.
> I tried booting it on a 9920 with a 68010 processor card and got the same
> result it posts the starting message and then hangs.
>
> Paul.
>
>

Re: Found my favorite DOS editor

[Liam Proven via cctalk]

On Thu, 30 Sept 2021 at 08:29, Chuck Guzis via cctalk
 wrote:

> On the west coast, we were doing our initial development on a VAX
> 11/750, but at some point I asked the folks back in St. Paul what they
> were using for an editor.  OGNATE!  I was dumbfounded--you see, the
> ETA-10 has many fewer instructions than the STAR-100 did, among the
> missing were some of the more esoteric ones used in OGNATE.  Someone had
> painstakingly coded emulations for each of those instructions.

That's pretty impressive!

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