Kennett Classic Wrap Up
For those not on the KC mailing list, here is a brief wrap up from last week's event http://kennettclassic.com/comms/LocalKC20211001.html Thank you Bill
Shiner ESB Apple Network Server prototype
Finally took some pictures of the (sadly non-working) Apple Network Server prototype I landed and also got around to analysing the hard disk it came with. Spoiler alert: this Shiner HE was at Netscape doing "real work" for several years at least. https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2021/10/shiner-esb-apple-network-server.html http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ans/esb/ -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- A kindness done today is the surest way to a brighter tomorrow. -- Anonymous
Re: Shiner ESB Apple Network Server prototype
On 10/4/21 8:56 AM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2021/10/shiner-esb-apple-network-server.html http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ans/esb/ "Were you a Shiner designer? " That would be Dennis Yarak. Dennis went to portables from the server group and was project lead on the G4 powerbooks. His brother Keith was manager of the XServe design group. Bit puzzled when you say the server group was in Austin. Shiner started out in Cupertino in the N&C group in DeAnza 3. I was involved in early development when all of the AIX/Netware/Pink stuff was going on with it.
Re: Shiner ESB Apple Network Server prototype
> > https://oldvcr.blogspot.com/2021/10/shiner-esb-apple-network-server.html > > http://www.floodgap.com/retrobits/ans/esb/ > > "Were you a Shiner designer? " > > That would be Dennis Yarak. Dennis went to portables from the server group > and was project lead on the G4 powerbooks. Is he around here? > Bit puzzled when you say the server group was in Austin. > Shiner started out in Cupertino in the N&C group in DeAnza 3. > I was involved in early development when all of the AIX/Netware/Pink > stuff was going on with it. *Somebody* was in Austin, though (for one thing, I don't know how it would have acquired its code name otherwise - no one knows what Shiner beer is out in California). There was these mentions as well: https://www.applefritter.com/node/538 http://www.ydl.net/board/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=8251#p42600 Was Brinton Baker in Cupertino, or Austin? Maybe started in Cupertino and moved over? -- personal: http://www.cameronkaiser.com/ -- Cameron Kaiser * Floodgap Systems * www.floodgap.com * ckai...@floodgap.com -- If you cannot convince them, confuse them. -- Harry S Truman ---
Re: Shiner ESB Apple Network Server prototype
On 10/4/21 1:05 PM, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote: https://www.applefritter.com/node/538 Interesting bit of outsider fiction.
Re: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH
> *Neat*! I was thinking of trying to lay this down on a real 11/23+ here > at the house, then realized I didn't have two RD51's. Can it gen on an > RD53 by chance, I could upload one of those to a disk in a weekend or > immediately with the Dave Gesswin emulator (which I need to return but > we're just about to pull out those big Perqs) Chris, I doubt you'll be able to use anything other than a RD51 drive - as this ancient V7M doesn't yet support newer drive types. You might be able to put some of the system files on an RL02 - but I haven't confirmed there's a RL02 boot loader on this kit. Back in 1983 the PDP-11/23-PLUS was a relatively *new* machine. There's later versions of Ultrix-11 (V2 and later) that added support for the 11/73 and bigger drives - look on the Unix Heritage Society site under Unix Archive. There's a downloadable installation tape for Ultrix-11 there. https://www.tuhs.org Tony -- Tony Nicholson
Re: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH
I doubt you'll be able to use anything other than a RD51 drive - as this ancient V7M doesn't yet support newer drive types. You might be able to put some of the system files on an RL02 - but I haven't confirmed there's a RL02 boot loader on this kit. Interesting. Given that it's MSCP it should be just a matter of mapping out the sectors and such. But to be honest, naah. I have a copy of Ultrix-11 on 20 or so floppies here, I think I'd just use that on an RD54 and be done with it. Oddly enough I do have a copy of Pro/Venix 1.0 that would fit on a Pro/350 with a 5mb hard drive. Slow as *dirt*, you could literally watch the hard drive seek back and forth with the little arm on the side. But it did work. Unfortunately I only have a pair of Pro/380's these days so I'd have to use Venix 2.0 which is probably less fun :-) Back in 1983 the PDP-11/23-PLUS was a relatively *new* machine. There's later versions of Ultrix-11 (V2 and later) that added support for the 11/73 and bigger drives - look on the Unix Heritage Society site under Unix Archive. There's a downloadable installation tape for Ultrix-11 there. Speaking of which, has anyone ever written a loader to allow one to copy a SIMH tape file onto a real tape drive via serial like that pdp11GUI allows you to load up an RL02/RX02/MSCP drive? I do have a working TK50 and a TK70 (and know how to fix them) and they are pretty nice units. C
Re: PDP-11 Unix V7M-11 V1.0 under SIMH
On Mon, Oct 4, 2021 at 7:42 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Oddly enough I do have a copy of Pro/Venix 1.0 that would fit on a > Pro/350 with a 5mb hard drive. Slow as *dirt*, you could literally watch > the hard drive seek back and forth with the little arm on the side. But > it did work. I have one of those. I brought it to VCF East two years ago for the Mother of all UNIX Demos. I think there's 300-400KB free on that RD50. It is indeed slow as dirt. Also, 'date' only allows for 2-digit years, so I had to write a utility to accept UNIX epoch time to set the date past the Y2K boundary. -ethan
