Re: Motorola M88K books & user manuals (looking for)

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

I am looking for original printed copy

Il giorno mar 1 gen 2019 alle ore 18:31 Josh Dersch via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> There are these things called "printers."
>
> - Josh
>
> On 1/1/2019 9:13 AM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
> > yes, but I prefer a printed copy
> >
> > Il giorno mar 1 gen 2019 alle ore 18:08 Al Kossow via cctalk
> >  ha scritto:
> >>
> >>
> >> On 1/1/19 7:58 AM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
> >>> hi
> >>> As a second reference, I'd like to consider the first Motorola RISC:
> >>> 88K, which is very elegant and neat ISA; unfortunately, I have
> >>> difficulties at finding user manuals and books about it.
> >>>
> >> http://bitsavers.org/components/motorola/88000
> >>

Re: Motorola M88K books & user manuals (looking for)

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

yes, but I prefer a printed copy

Il giorno mar 1 gen 2019 alle ore 18:08 Al Kossow via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
>
>
> On 1/1/19 7:58 AM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
> > hi
>
> > As a second reference, I'd like to consider the first Motorola RISC:
> > 88K, which is very elegant and neat ISA; unfortunately, I have
> > difficulties at finding user manuals and books about it.
> >
> http://bitsavers.org/components/motorola/88000
>

Motorola M88K books & user manuals (looking for)

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
on DTB we are designing a RISC-ish CPU, code name "Arise-v2"(1).
We are using the MIPS R2K and the RISC-V as the reference.

In the end, it will be implemented in HDL -> FPGA.

The page on DTB is related to a software emulator (written in C) for
the whole system. CPU + RAM + ROM + UART, etc. so we can test and our
ISA more comfortably.

As a second reference, I'd like to consider the first Motorola RISC:
88K, which is very elegant and neat ISA; unfortunately, I have
difficulties at finding user manuals and books about it.

If someone wants to sell me a copy, it will be appreciated!

Thanks and happy new year!

p.s.
other interesting contributes about RISC-V and architectures, are on
this (2) EEVBlog's topic


(1)http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/reloaded/bazaar/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=194&sid=5294ee174485ac7863eedd496108c996

(2)https://www.eevblog.com/forum/microcontrollers/risc-v-assembly-language-programming-tutorial-on-youtube

xterm Tektronix xp217 for sale

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

so, already asked but i haven't yet got a clear answer
I have an xterm Tektronix xp217 for sale
it comes with *everything* you need to use it
- its original PSU, able to operate from 100-to-250V
- its original CD with the firmware (it's required a tftpboot server)

it's located in Italy
let me know if interested, your offer, and your location in order to
calculate the shipping cost

(I have discount with UPS)

Re: Public buy/sell/trade

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> north amarican inforcement is most complaint based inforcement. were as
> from what i know from friends in europe its proactive in many cases

yep, precisely my point :D

Re: Public buy/sell/trade

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> As someone that actually has to worry about such things

you mean as someone who received a legal threat for a project?
we got one for the DTB website, and it was not nice ...

it's one of the reasons why we dropped the experimental-bay since if
it involves a little business then things go even worse

> And yes, it’s a PITA for businesses and websites,
> but I for one wish we had something similar in the US.

which problems do you have in the US? anything similar to GDPR? tell me

there is a dude in Virginia (US), telling me he can put emails and
confidential data (address, phone, etc) in public without any
authorization from the owner.

I don't know if he is legally allowed do it, but 5 months have already
passed without a fine for him ... whereas if you do it in Switzerland
or in Italy, you immediately get a legal threat, and/or a fine

p.s.
look at Facebook Europe vs Facebook US which of the two did get a fine?

Re: Public buy/sell/trade

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

besides, the GPDR and this new hipster legal stuff (in Europe) are now
making things even more complex, especially if a website is involved
in e-commerce
.



Il giorno ven 21 dic 2018 alle ore 16:57 Carlo Pisani
 ha scritto:
>
> well, we tried to implement a new module, but ... yet again without a
> budget, and without interest I personally dropped the whole project
>
> http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/experimental-bay/app0.php
>
> Il giorno ven 21 dic 2018 alle ore 16:33 Electronics Plus via cctalk
>  ha scritto:
> >
> > For months I have been trying to implement a "multi-vendor marketplace". 
> > Without a budget, it is almost impossible. There is a free software, 
> > Sellacious, which runs off Joomla. Out of the box, it does not work. It has 
> > MAJOR security holes. However, it was the ONLY one I could find where more 
> > than one seller could sell the same product. Suppose 5 people have 1391401 
> > keyboards. In almost every other system, you would have 5 separate 
> > listings. I wanted something more like Amazon, where the item is listed 
> > ONCE, and then each seller can set his price and a description of the 
> > condition, etc.
> >
> > I am most familiar with Magento, which is what I use. There is a 
> > multi-vendor add-on available, but the base package is $399, and then you 
> > go up from there with features, like each seller being able to input his 
> > own shipping methods/rates and payment methods.
> >
> > Deskthority donated the space for such a market, and offered to host it, 
> > but no one has the time to update/maintain it. If it were Magento, I would 
> > do it, but I don't have $400+ to invest in the extra software (basic 
> > Magento CE is free).
> >
> > If someone wants to donate the funds, or write a good working module for 
> > Magento multi-vendor, I will be happy to set it up an maintain it.
> >
> > The advantages to Magento are many, but it has a few drawbacks too. You can 
> > do almost anything with it, but it can be a little slow. The community is 
> > very active.
> >
> > There are numerous tiny sites for buying and selling that are not very 
> > active anymore, and most use a PHP BB type system, which will not let you 
> > list and buy like a true ecommerce does. It also does not tell you when 
> > something is out of stock, or allow you to add it to a wishlist.
> >
> > Cindy
> >
> > -Original Message-
> > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Grant 
> > Taylor via cctalk
> > Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:07 PM
> > To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> > Subject: Re: Want/Available list
> >
> > On 12/20/2018 03:46 PM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote:
> > > I too want a web forum venue for hunting, acquiring and dispersing
> > > vintage computing gear, with a restoration/collector slant, ie not about
> > > the money, ie I'm poor, ha ha.  A mailing list is NOT an appropriate
> > > context. It has no categories, is ephemeral, chews local storage, has
> > > no hot-linking, and demands more real-time attention than I can spare.
> >
> > Is there really a dearth of satisfactory locations for people to swap /
> > trade / buy / sell computer equipment?
> >
> > I've not seriously looked.  But I feel like this should have been solved
> > already.  Maybe it has an the typical places are running people off or
> > otherwise unappealing.
> >
> > What would people want in such a swap-n-shop?
> >
> > In some ways it's a basic inventory management system, with the ability
> > for people to add their own listings.
> >
> > I feel like the community could likely benefit from an associated forum
> > to discuss things without bogging down the business transactions.
> >
> > I would want it easy to search and find things, or possibly even
> > register as being interested in being notified when someone lists
> > something for sale in the future.
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Grant. . . .
> > unix || die
> >
> >
> > ---
> > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
> >

Re: Public buy/sell/trade

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

well, we tried to implement a new module, but ... yet again without a
budget, and without interest I personally dropped the whole project

http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/experimental-bay/app0.php

Il giorno ven 21 dic 2018 alle ore 16:33 Electronics Plus via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> For months I have been trying to implement a "multi-vendor marketplace". 
> Without a budget, it is almost impossible. There is a free software, 
> Sellacious, which runs off Joomla. Out of the box, it does not work. It has 
> MAJOR security holes. However, it was the ONLY one I could find where more 
> than one seller could sell the same product. Suppose 5 people have 1391401 
> keyboards. In almost every other system, you would have 5 separate listings. 
> I wanted something more like Amazon, where the item is listed ONCE, and then 
> each seller can set his price and a description of the condition, etc.
>
> I am most familiar with Magento, which is what I use. There is a multi-vendor 
> add-on available, but the base package is $399, and then you go up from there 
> with features, like each seller being able to input his own shipping 
> methods/rates and payment methods.
>
> Deskthority donated the space for such a market, and offered to host it, but 
> no one has the time to update/maintain it. If it were Magento, I would do it, 
> but I don't have $400+ to invest in the extra software (basic Magento CE is 
> free).
>
> If someone wants to donate the funds, or write a good working module for 
> Magento multi-vendor, I will be happy to set it up an maintain it.
>
> The advantages to Magento are many, but it has a few drawbacks too. You can 
> do almost anything with it, but it can be a little slow. The community is 
> very active.
>
> There are numerous tiny sites for buying and selling that are not very active 
> anymore, and most use a PHP BB type system, which will not let you list and 
> buy like a true ecommerce does. It also does not tell you when something is 
> out of stock, or allow you to add it to a wishlist.
>
> Cindy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Grant Taylor 
> via cctalk
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 5:07 PM
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Want/Available list
>
> On 12/20/2018 03:46 PM, Guy Dunphy via cctalk wrote:
> > I too want a web forum venue for hunting, acquiring and dispersing
> > vintage computing gear, with a restoration/collector slant, ie not about
> > the money, ie I'm poor, ha ha.  A mailing list is NOT an appropriate
> > context. It has no categories, is ephemeral, chews local storage, has
> > no hot-linking, and demands more real-time attention than I can spare.
>
> Is there really a dearth of satisfactory locations for people to swap /
> trade / buy / sell computer equipment?
>
> I've not seriously looked.  But I feel like this should have been solved
> already.  Maybe it has an the typical places are running people off or
> otherwise unappealing.
>
> What would people want in such a swap-n-shop?
>
> In some ways it's a basic inventory management system, with the ability
> for people to add their own listings.
>
> I feel like the community could likely benefit from an associated forum
> to discuss things without bogging down the business transactions.
>
> I would want it easy to search and find things, or possibly even
> register as being interested in being notified when someone lists
> something for sale in the future.
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>

Re: Project sonoko, x11 xterm home-made

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> Wouldn't a RPi-Zero Wireless be easier, cheaper, smaller, quicker?
> Could even use a CM-3 in a custom case.

I have already given points to our reasons. Do you like RPI? Go and use it!

Re: Want/Available list (was Re: Old HP stuff)

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

we are mirroring here (1)
hope it helps

(1) 
http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/reloaded/bazaar/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=202&sid=302117dda790dc697965820e0ad44f0e

Il giorno gio 20 dic 2018 alle ore 19:58 Electronics Plus via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Gqr3JHyV1bJGFZE7oaFkEVqRnl79ZvE54NVIy3YdikA/edit?usp=sharing
>
> New link with edits enabled.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Electronics 
> Plus via cctalk
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:26 AM
> To: 'Al Kossow'; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> Subject: RE: Want/Available list (was Re: Old HP stuff)
>
> Done! 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Gqr3JHyV1bJGFZE7oaFkEVqRnl79ZvE54NVIy3YdikA/edit?usp=sharing
> Fill it out as you think of stuff, and I will share it with the dealers.
>
> Cindy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Al Kossow 
> via cctalk
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 11:03 AM
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Want/Available list (was Re: Old HP stuff)
>
> Isn't there some place this could go on a web page?
>
> there isn't much chance of someone trolling a mailing list after the first 
> day or two of the post appearing
>
> Sellam seems to have come up with something with his Google spreadsheet. I 
> don't know if something like that
> would be practical if a large number of people were adding/removing things
>
>
> On 12/20/18 5:09 AM, Robert via cctalk wrote:
> > If we're making a list, I need an HP 8120-4098 interconnect cable for
> > 9836C to  monitor.
> >
> > I'm also looking for a keyboard for a 9816, but that's a much longer shot...
> >
> > Thanks
> >
>
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
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>

Re: Project sonoko, x11 xterm home-made

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> > We are also developing a RFID card to unlock/lock the machine (still
> > experimental, and we are going to use an old 68HC11 board for this ...
> > it's 80s technology)
>
> Are you developing your own technology?  Or are you re-using standard
> technology that's been around for a while?

our own technology. RFID at 125Khz. We already have a prototype. A
good occasion to play with analogic electronics and also a good
occasion to use ICC11 v6.5 on a HC11 board, and ICC11 was a good C
compiler in the 90s.  (we are also supporting gcc-11, but it's ... not
so good)

> I think Sun (and others) had X terminals that had smart card slots in
> them.  This sounds functionally quite similar, just a few substitutions.

yup, SunRay uses a smart-card, but it's not contactless, and it's a
true-smart card, whose protocol looks not so funny to play with
(except if you are paid for doing it). SmartCards are safer anyway

We want to use RFID Smartcard-shaped cards. The looks like a credit
card, but they have an RFID capsule inside. Therefore we only need a
coil to read it.

Simply, and funny.

this (1) a commercial product you can use as a reference ... the chip
is a common avr8
(1) 
http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/chunk_of/stuff/public/projects/sonoko-x11/rfid/hz1050/

> That in and of itself does not make what you're doing bad or a waste of
> time IMHO if you're having fun (other than injuries), learning, reducing
> ewaste by reusing things you have, well that all sounds good to me.

Precisely! We neither have a CNC, nor a 3D printer, and we want to
recycle polycarbonate frames. We got a lot of industrial waste. It
would be a shame trashing them.

> I was sort of asking because part of me would like to build something
> that looks like a DEC vt420 with a look alike (but physically smaller)
> case with an LCD (?) display.  I've thought about running a Pi and
> running XTerm.  But that's a pipe dream project for some other time.

it can be done easily. Our boards run U-BOOT as firmware, and Linux as
the kernel.
On your RPI you just need to manage a custom kernel on a custom rootfs.

There is a Dude on the internet offering a small Indigo1 case with a
LinuxBoard inside.
It's a cool project. The case is 3D printed.

The only "tricky" part is setting the builder. We chose catalyst
because we also support Gentoo on MIPS4, MIPS32, HPPA2, PPCBE, thus
it's a "natural" choice, but there are also builders like Angstrom and
OpenWRT which allow you to have ucLibc and similar. We are using glibc
just for our convenience (since we already have a working and tested
glibc-profile)

Anyway, we'd like to have a nice WindowsManager. We are using "mwm"
which is super light and very classic (my Tektronix XP217 uses it),
but we are going to evaluate "fvwm": it seems it's light but offering
good "visual features"; we'd like to reconfigure it with the look&feel
of 4DWM (SGI IRIX) ...

maybe it's possible, who knows :D

Re: Want/Available list

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> I guess I might as well ask, since I've been wondering: What does the name
> "downthebunker" mean?
> Is it a reference to something? I'm not even sure how a bunker could be gone 
> "down"

the computer room is located 10 meters underground in a room which
looks like a mini bunker. But it's not relevant, it's just a name for
a website.

> And why the .xyz TLD? I don't know much about it
> but it always looks really sketchy to me.

When you put a server to the internet you have an IP and you want to
be reached by an URL you have to pay someone for the service. We found
a cheap service offering a domain, and the "xyz," is what they offered
for the lowest price possible (10 euro/year) since dot com and dot org
cost more money (50-100 or more).

We already pay for the electricity and we are not hosting any
advertising service, thus .. a cheap domain is what we consider "good"
for us.

What is really worrying is the number of spammers attacking the
server(1) and the fact that people are not seriously using a resource,
sometimes for the reason that we are obliged to declare the GPDR
agreement, or for the reason, we are not offering HTTPS.

Some of these guys are on facebook where they claim the platform is
even more difficult to be used for the purpose of discussing things
rather than ... watching a gallery of pics

And some of them still want a bazaar, sort of (person-to-person) way
to sell/buy/trade retro computer stuff, but then they only go to the
eBay, complaining that it's too expensive for both the seller and the
buyer (due to the money you have to give to eBay, I guess).

That's the time it was, funny and weird at the same time.

(1) this caused a few services to be dropped, e.g. we needed to drop
the MessageWall because it was bombarded by spam and trolling.
MessageWall was implemented in PHP by us and it was not so robust,
therefore we are now limiting the usage and offering a chat channel on
Discord which is more robust and managed by others.

Re: Want/Available list

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> How about you not join a nearly 20 year old mailing list and start
> insulting people, most of which have probably been in the computer
> industry longer than you've been alive?

insulting? I posted a link to a project just to share the fun and I
got suggested to drop it, which is extremely rude and irritating.
Besides, I suggest and offered free space when here you are all
claiming that it's difficult to follow posts about things and parts,
and yet again I got a figurative finger

so don't try to drag me down on your cliche'

Re: More old stuff incoming

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

SGI made MIPS, ITANIUM, and X86 workstations, servers, and personal workstations
low price MIPS workstations: SGI INDY, SGI O2
The SGI Indigo2 was very very expensive, especially the "Purple Impact"

See on YouTube, there is an episode made by a dude called "LGR"

SGI also made Pentium3 workstations. These run WindowsNT.
Not so expensive, but not so cheap.

Il giorno gio 20 dic 2018 alle ore 21:26 Sam O'nella via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
>
> >> SGI desktops made for home use,
> >
> > Whoah whoah whoah, what?
> >
> > SGI made home computers?!
>
> I don't know that I saw a reply to this but I'm guessing the reference is the 
> SGI Indy? And maybe indigo could count as well for smaller systems that could 
> fit on a desk instead of desk-side models.

Re: Want/Available list

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

ok, I give up.
a forum with a bazaar should be more appropriate
frankly this mail list looks like spam, and it's going irritating
since it's difficult to follow and to handle

but I am really tired to repeat myself about the
http://www.downthebunker.xyz/ project

probably in 2019 we will definitively close it to new members, and that's all.

Il giorno gio 20 dic 2018 alle ore 20:05 Electronics Plus via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> Interesting thought!
> I don't send newsletters, or bother people in any way. I hate getting spam.
> I encourage people to use the RSS feeds https://elecshopper.com/rss/
> If you like, you can change the spreadsheet to say "Items Wanted" instead of 
> "HP Items Wanted" and change the column headers accordingly.
> Whatever you guys are looking for, I am willing to try and hunt.
> I belong to 2 subscription broadcast services for dealers, and I regularly 
> email almost 500 recyclers for stuff.
> Just let me know.
>
> Cindy
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Grant Taylor 
> via cctalk
> Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2018 12:48 PM
> To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
> Subject: Re: Want/Available list (was Re: Old HP stuff)
>
> On 12/20/2018 10:25 AM, Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote:
> > Fill it out as you think of stuff, and I will share it with the dealers.
>
> I may be odd, but I'd be interested in Cindy / Electronics Plus
> leveraging their existing mailing list.
>
> Assuming that it's Mailman (I don't remember) I'd be curious to see
> categories that are brand names, and possibly sub-categories that are
> model lines.
>
> That way people could subscribe to the list and pick the categories they
> are interested in receiving announcements to.
>
> I think it would also give Cindy / Electronics Plus some indication of
> what brand / model like people are interested in.
>
> Just a thought.  ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>
>
>
> --
> Grant. . . .
> unix || die
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
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Re: Project sonoko, x11 xterm home-made

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> Can I ask why you are using the board that you are using?

several reasons; we also use a similar board for a NAS, but basically,
we like this board for the PCI bus, and for the JTAG

we happen to have a BDI1000 JTAG ICE with a valid license for
professional debugging software for the PPC/405, so it's really nice
for us

> Is this project to use something you have and make it useful?  Or is it
> meant for others to be able to replicate?

dunno. For us it's useful, and it's a need since we really need three
LCDs connected to two nodes through a KVM in both dual screens and
Xinerama setup (it depends on the context). These two PowerPC nodes
are also connected to a Routerboard (bought yesterday), thus the whole
system is able to bootstrap, well balanced on its load, able to load
its services and it's also independent of everything else on the lan.

PowerPC boards are not able to bootstrap from a harddrive/pendrive
(the kernel's driver for the pATA chip is bugged and doesn't work, the
firmware is ... theoretically able to load a raw file from a

pATA device), they need to bootstrap from the lan, and the Routerboard
is able to provide a good tftpbootp server plus other services to
accomplish the task.

We are also developing a RFID card to unlock/lock the machine (still
experimental, and we are going to use an old 68HC11 board for this ...
it's 80s technology)

It's really a funny project made recycling old parts, and an old Apple
PowerMac chassis. We also really like manually making parts, without a
3D printer. If you look at parts for the PSU, they were manually made
by engraving the plastic! This is part of the fun :D

anyway, I believe the system can be replicated with modern technology,
say ... two or three RPIs in a modern case made by a 3D printer.

> If it's the latter, I'd think that a board that's inexpensive and easy

well, we have a job in avionics, where PPC boards are used. We bought
years ago a couple of boards from Newark and they were 1900 euro each,
plus fees and S/H (FeDex).

Two years ago, I sold the last "codename eBony" (PowerPC460) couple of
boards to a company in China for a super discount (500 euro
both/second hand, instead of 1600 each/brand new). The DHT-boards that
we are using are derived from a similar expensive board. There was a
company in 2001 who made them, but ... it's difficult to find one
nowadays. We had 2 little DTH boards in stock, and we decided to use
for a personal project since they are definitively EOL once and
forever and we don't want to support them in 2019.

Again, the RPI is the super cheap choice since it's easy to be found
(e.g. you can buy from RS, Mouser, et al), and it only costs around 30
euro.

> I hate to be cliche, but it seems like a Raspberry Pi (et al) qualifies
> here.  It also seems like it has keyboard / mouse / video ports already.
>   (All be it different incarnations there of.)

RPI is USB driven, not a problem, modern keyboards and mouses are USB,
our is PS/2 but there are USB-to-PS/2 adapter for 5-10 Euro; The RPI
is not VGA, it's HDMI, but yet again it's not a problem, there are VGA
adapters (HDMI to VGA) for the RPI and VGA modules for the expansion
port. This can be evaluated.

For a classic design (the 90s and 2000s design), we want to use VGA
LCDs, VGA KVM, and PCI_VGA video adapters.

> > Currently, the only problem we have is related to the kernel, specifically
> > to support DeviceTree and the 405 CPU which has a weird address alignment,
> > thus it wastes a lot of cycles in kernel space.
>
> :-(

yup, we are alone. I have already posted on the Linux mail-list, still
no answer.
Not a problem, it simply requires more time.

Re: Want/Available list (was Re: Old HP stuff)

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> Isn't there some place this could go on a web page?

there is DTB!
http://www.downthebunker.xyz/

user subscriptions are now manually (due too trolls and a lot of
spammers), thus if someone needs/wants an account, he/she can email me
directly and I will add it properly

Re: Project sonoko, x11 xterm home-made

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

The prototype (1) is already working; in the pic, there is a DHT board
with a Matrox Millennium video card, and a PCI-PS/2 card. The pic
shows a running windows manager on x11.
we are using a little PowerPC 405GP board, loaded with Linux and
xorg-x11. The processor's ISA is similar to a G3 CPU, but not exactly
equal. We had to create a specific toolchain for it.

The rootfs is derived from Gentoo/Linux by using Catalyst on QEMU/PPC.
It's neat enough, and the whole process is under control (we can
choose flags, and rebuild the whole accordingly)

Currently, the only problem we have is related to the kernel,
specifically to support DeviceTree and the 405 CPU which has a weird
address alignment, thus it wastes a lot of cycles in kernel space.

If someone has experience with this CPU, we are open to hints and tips.

(1) 
http://93.55.217.0/wonderland/chunk_of/stuff/public/projects/sonoko-x11/node-board/dht-proto-1.png

Re: Project sonoko, x11 xterm home-made

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> > don't waste other people's projects for your stupidity!
> you're the one who sliced open their finger, asshat

ok, enjoy the ignore list, I have no time to waste with idiots like you

Re: Project sonoko, x11 xterm home-made

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

are you kidding or what?
we know there are x11 terminals on eBay, we own several Tektronics
XP217 and we owned a couple of HP Xterms, but this project is made for
fun

don't waste other people's projects for your stupidity!

Il giorno gio 20 dic 2018 alle ore 18:10 Al Kossow via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> ?
>
> buy a Neoware thin client for the box and power supply, and throw away the pcb
> if you really want to do your own board
>
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Neoware-CA9-100-240-V-50-60-Hz-USED/222928084229
>
>
> On 12/20/18 5:45 AM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk wrote:
> > to whom is interested, on DTB we are building an x11 xterminal
>

HP C36xx and C37xx RAM kit - 4Gbyte

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I have 4 ram modules for sale, 1Gbyte each, 4Gbyte in total
I am asking 20 Euro + S/H. Located in Italy.

I also have an HP715 EISA expansion board
and an HP712 PSU

let me know if someone needs/wants them

Re: Retarded ebay prices

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I have
- an EISA module for HP-715, yours for 5 Euro + S/H
- HP-712 PSU, yours for 5 Euro + S/H
- HPC36xx-C37xx 4GB ram (1Gbyte/module, 4 modules), yours for 20 Euro + S/H

Il giorno mer 19 dic 2018 alle ore 18:26 Electronics Plus via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> https://www.ebay.fr/itm/HP-250-Hewlett-Packard-Workstation-mit-optionaler-Ha
> rddisk-7910-SAMMLERQUALITAT/173303250279?hash=item2859adbd67:g:7r8AAOSw0dha7
> dD8:rk:49:pf:0
>
>
>
> Nice item, but crazy price! Located in Germany, only ships to the EU.
>
>
>
> Cindy Croxton
>
> Electronics Plus
>
> 1613 Water Street
>
> Kerrville, TX 78028
>
> 830-370-3239 cell
>
> sa...@elecplus.com
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
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Tektronix X11 xterminal xp217

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
for sale a Tektronix X11 terminal model xp217
it comes with its original firmware (on a CD), and its original PSU,
able to accept 110-250VAC

It's located in Italy.

I am looking for 200 Euro for it + S/H

Tektronix X11 terminal

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I have a xp217 tektronix terminal for sale
with its PSU and firmware

let me know if someone wants it

Tektronix xp217

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I have for sale a Tektronix xp217 unit, with its PSU and original CD software.
let me know if someone is interested.

Tektronix Xterm xp217

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I have one Xterm xp217 for sale, including it's PSU and plastic
(I can also provide the firmware)

Re: ISO: 68000/68010 CPU board for ZAX ICD-178 (CPU S-813)

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

where are you located? any pic of this?
which software does support this ICE
can you find a POD for the 68EC020?

let me know

Il giorno dom 2 dic 2018 alle ore 16:24 Al Kossow via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> I have literally dozens of non-Ethernet Applied Microsystems ES-1800 68000 
> ICEs
>
> Are you (or anyone else) interested in any?
>
>
> On 12/1/18 10:56 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote:
> > Hi all --
> >
> > I picked up a ZAX ICD-178 in-circuit debugger in the hopes of using it to 
> > help debug / reverse-engineer a couple of
> > 68k-based machines I have.
>
>
>

BBS card, ISA8bit multi serial, 4 channels

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi guys
I have an ISA8bit card with four UART chip on it, and the special cable.
it comes with the original manual and a floppy (5.25") with drivers
for XENIX and DOS, etc

it was used for BBS, and I am willing to sell since it's not in use

it's located in Italy (where my parents live), I can ship worldwide

regards
Carlo

Apple PowerMac G4 Mdd mobo + CPU + MOS license

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi guys
I have a motherboard + CPU G4 @1.2Ghz for sale
it's the last revision of the MDD PowerMac G4
and it comes with a license for Morphos (MOS)

located in Italy

cheers

ImageCraft ICC11 v5 or v6 ?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
does anyone happen to have ImageCraft ICC11 v5 or v6?
I can't find it, and it's an dead abandoned product =(

Re: HP CPU32 Emulation Adapter

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
what have you used as ICE?
or, have you only used a software debugger?
and why not the motorola monitor?

I see you have developed your own monitor
why?

p.s.
I have opened this website(1), it offers space for a sort of
mini-Bazar, but there is also space for junks of files. I am
collecting and sharing utilities, documentation, and stuff for CPUs,
MPUs, etc

(1) http://www.downthebunker.xyz/
Il giorno ven 21 set 2018 alle ore 12:04 Carlo Pisani
 ha scritto:
>
> > But, I've got one of these:
> > https://hackaday.io/project/6150-beckman-du600-reverse-engineering
>
> hi
> where did you find it?
> here I have an EVS board, by motorola :P

Hitex ICE for Motorola 68hc11

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
has anyone ever used  Hitex ICE for Motorola 68hc11?
if so, with which software?

cheers

Re: HP CPU32 Emulation Adapter

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> But, I've got one of these:
> https://hackaday.io/project/6150-beckman-du600-reverse-engineering

hi
where did you find it?
here I have an EVS board, by motorola :P

VT240, VT241 are graphics? what does it mean?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
so, in a description of DEC terminals, I read "VT240 and VT241 are
graphics terminals, supporting Digital’s ReGIS graphics and Tektronix
vector graphics"

what does it mean? which kind of graphics? Can they draw lines?

I am googling for "Digital’s ReGIS graphics" and "Tektronix vector
graphics", but I have only found dead links =(

DEC lk201 keyboard for DEC Terminal vt220

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
about DEC lk201 for DEC Terminal vt220,
I am looking for information about
- the pinout of the connector (it should be 4 pins, sort of serial)
- the protocol used
- key keymap

thanks in advance

Re: Portable terminals

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

does, by any chance, anyone happen to have the tektronix tekxpress
v8.1 firmware for their xp4xx terminals?
Il giorno mar 11 set 2018 alle ore 10:23 Liam Proven via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> On Mon, 10 Sep 2018 at 21:02, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
>
> > p.s. The caveat is of course if you get something like the Gemini. That 
> > looks like a very nice machine but at 599 British pounds I rather get a 
> > Sony UX series and have a real PC or the HP LX200. The key, at least for 
> > me, is finding a no name Android tablet w/ the basics that runs Android 7 
> > or above at that $50 to $75 price point.
>
> Oh, yes, for a terminal emulator, it's total overkill.
>
> OTOH it will talk Telnet, SSH, rsh, rdesktop, X.11, you name it. A
> cheapo USB dongle gives you RS232, or wired Ethernet, or whatever you
> want. It's Android but it runs Linux, so it's a
> decent-keyboard-equipped totally flexible device which will talk to
> pretty much anything ever. Run DOS or Win98 in an QEMU or some other
> emulator and some odd proprietary 1980s/1990s client software,
> whatever you want.
>
> Pocket VAX with SimH.  Pocket mainframe with Hercules. Pocket
> NeXTstation or SPARC or PowerMac or Novell Netware server. Anything.
>
>
> --
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Re: Portable terminals

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

we (at http://www.downthebunker.xyz) are developing a project that is
a portable vt100 in laptop shape.

done with modern components, essentially it's an FPGA + LVDS circuit
to drive the LCD
the chassis will be manufactured by laser-cutting plastic planes, then
assembled with glue.

it's not yet a public project since it's a personal team internal
work, but maybe ...

anyway, the firmware is barebone, with a simple OS that runs directly the VT100
Il giorno dom 9 set 2018 alle ore 08:25 Jeffrey S. Worley via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> Data General made a nifty and flexible terminal called "Walkabout". It
> had 32kb of internal memory one could use to take notes on the move. It
>   ran on a 12volt wall wart which charged an onboard nicad battery.
> The lcd screen is not backlit but it was useable in most any light.
> The sliders on the face note-book-like machine controlled contrast and
> darkness.  I used one as the head unit for my Data General MV4000/DC.
> The battery is likely dead on any you'll find, but it is easily
> accessible by a sliding cover on the side which when removed reveals a
> pack you can unplug and replace without tools.
>
> It supported a fair list of emulations selectable on-screen including
> vt220 and vt100 plus various proprietary 'Dasher' emulations.  The
> keyboard is better than most modern-day notebooks, it is VERY light-
> weight and pretty sturdy.  Here's a link to a photo.
>
> http://www.digibarn.com/collections/systems/dg-walkabout/DSC06218.JPG
>
> Jeffrey S. Worley
>

Re: VT100 emulation

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> I had given some thought over the last day or two about making a really tiny 
> video terminal.
> A while ago, I had bought a couple of tablet ARM SOC LCD notebooks to try 
> doing that.

which model?

Re: VT100's

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> > cause it's the simplest, I guess
> The VT100 was quite complicated compared to contemporary terminals at the
> time of its introduction.

why do you say that?
a vt100 terminal requires only a text VDU (video display unit) with
hw-scrolling support, and a piece of software to support the VT100
protocol (escape-codes decoded into action for the VDU).

in fact, my Digital VT200 comes with an ASIC chip for the VDU, while
the software side runs on an Intel 8051 MPU that directly interfaces
the keyboard, the VDU, and the serial line

this doesn't look complex

Re: VT100's

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

I am building my own VT100 terminal (FPGA project), and it will be
laptop-shape :P

here I own a Digital VT220, it's a unit with its custom keyboard, with
special keys, the output of the unit is VGA, and it has two serial
ports with a db25 connector

Il giorno gio 6 set 2018 alle ore 19:09 allison via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> On 09/06/2018 12:54 PM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote:
> >
> > On 9/6/18 9:48 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
> >> VT50 seems like it was someone's mistake -- 12 lines, what were they 
> >> thinking?
> >
> Mostly about screen memory which back then was small and not cheap.
>
>
> Allison

Re: VT100's

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

cause it's the simples, I guess
Il giorno gio 6 set 2018 alle ore 17:35 Zane Healy via cctalk
 ha scritto:
>
> Let me start by saying this isn’t intended to start a flame war or anything.  
> I’m genuinely curious.
>
> Why is the VT100 so popular?
>
> Personally I prefer the VT420’s, though I’d love a VT340/340+ or VT525.
>
> I have VT100’s, 320’s and 420’s.  I really only use VT420’s.  In fact I have 
> one sitting next to my desk in my office hooked to a DECserver 90TL.
>
> Zane
>
>
>

simple-ish Arduino-compatible LPC2103 dev kit

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi guys
a dude has recently posted a link in our forum, he has developed a
simple Arduino-compatible LPC2103 dev kit, the links point to a second
link with documentation, and source

he is also willng to assemble and sell boards

have a look here (1)

cheers
Ivelegacy
(webadming at DownTheBunker)

(1) 
http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/reloaded/bazaar/viewtopic.php?f=3&p=373&sid=f80e58f32a291250a3e71666dfb80940#p373

Re: how good is the data reliability with CD ROM and DVD RAM?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

DVD-RAM: Is it a reliable technology?

nobody has yet written about it :P

Motorola IDP board

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
any chance someone has worked with the Motorola IDP m68EC0x0 board and
has the manual of the 68EC020IDP CPU module?

let me know

p.s.
have you ever seen the IDP-net card? any information on the IDP bus
timing? (i'd like to develop my own net-card for the IDP bus, but I
need the timing spec)

Re: how good is the data reliability with CD ROM and DVD RAM?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

I have a brand new DLT drive for sale
brand new, it's SCSI, 2U

2018-07-24 20:42 GMT+02:00 Eric Smith via cctalk :
> I wrote a lot of DDS2 and DDS3 tapes back in the day. When my DDS3 drive
> broke, I got another drive. I found out that my first drive was seriously
> out of calibration, and though it could read its own tapes, other drives
> could not. All the data was gone.
>
> I'm considering getting an LTO drive, but I won't do it unless either I buy
> two drives, or find someone else with the same generation LTO drive who
> would like to exchange encrypted backup tapes for verification.

Re: how good is the data reliability with CD ROM and DVD RAM?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

has anyone ever used Iomega Rev as backup media?
how good is that?



2018-07-23 23:11 GMT+02:00 Ali via cctalk :
>> Probably a good idea to use something like RAR with parity. I know I
>> have
>> downloaded some multi-segment binaries in RAR format from usenet  with
>> several missing segments and as long as I had the parity file set it
>> could
>> successfully recover the entire archive.
>
> Parity will only take you so far. It is the same as RAID - you can only 
> tolerate so many disk failures before the whole thing collapses like a house 
> of cards. It works well w/ UseNet because usually the errors are small 
> compared to the data set. However, if you were missing say three RAR files 
> out of six then one PAR file is not going to save you.
>
> -Ali
>

Re: how good is the data reliability with CD ROM and DVD RAM?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

what about DVD-RAM?
are they good about data-reliability?

cost:
- SCSI DVD-RAM reader/writer, say about 180-240 euro, brand new
- DVD-RAM cartridge (disk + caddy), say about 20 euro per 5 disks, brand new

how long does a DVD-RAM last?

4.5Gbyte per disk is ok for me, I need to archive my source code

2018-07-23 21:57 GMT+02:00 TeoZ via cctalk :
> What kind of media is it DVD+R or DVD-R?  I think DVD-R (Pioneer) came first
> and all the original DVD burners support it and it is the most reliable if
> you are making movies for older DVD players. DVD+R is a Sony and Phillips
> design and the recording format is different.
>
> The last generation of DVD recorders is +/- but anything IDE would probably
> be DVD-R only and might have issues reading + disks.
>
> -Original Message- From: Ali via cctalk
> Sent: Monday, July 23, 2018 2:55 PM
> To: 'Fred Cisin' ; 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> Subject: RE: how good is the data reliability with CD ROM and DVD RAM?
>
>
>> Does anybody here have experience with "M-Disc"?
>>
>> It is available up to 100GB BDXL!
>> Drives start at less than $100; media is prices vary - the 100GB starts
>> at
>> about $20 each, but the low capacity versions are bordering on
>> competitive.
>
>
> Fred,
>
> I have used M-Disc to archive photos and digital media. So far so good.
> Problem is you need an M-Disc drive to read it for sure - what does that
> mean? Well the disc is supposed to be compatible across all DVD readers BUT
> I have found my older Lite-On IDE drives, which were considered very good
> back in the day, have had problems reading the DVDs. So your mileage may
> vary...
>
> Also of note the original company has gone bankrupt and their assets bought
> out. The new owners are continuing to produce M-Disc media.
>
> -Ali
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
> https://www.avast.com/antivirus
>

Re: ps/2 Keyboard with 3 button trackball

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> I don't know TexExpress. What OS does it run under?

VxWorks, customized by Tektronix.

Re: ps/2 Keyboard with 3 button trackball

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

with software like Tektronix's TekXpress you can't simulate the middle button


2018-07-23 13:00 GMT+02:00 Liam Proven via cctalk :
> On Sat, 21 Jul 2018 at 23:12, Carlo Pisani via cctalk
>  wrote:
>
>> the software I need to use requires the third button to
>> select items
>
> Have you experimented with the option where pressing both buttons
> simulatenously simulates the middle button? A configurable option in
> most Windows mouse drivers; default behaviour in Linux, AFAIK.
>
> --
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Re: how good is the data reliability with CD ROM and DVD RAM?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

thus DDS4, LTO2, DLT: which is the best tape?

2018-07-22 18:11 GMT+02:00 Jon Elson via cctalk :
> On 07/22/2018 10:52 AM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>>
>> On 07/22/2018 06:33 AM, Paul Koning via cctalk wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>> On Jul 21, 2018, at 3:25 PM, Carlo Pisani via cctalk
>>>>  wrote:
>>>>
>>>> ...
>>>> and what about magnetic-tapes? (e.g. DDS4, DLT, LTO2)
>>>>
>>>> which of them lasts for the most?
>>>
>>> I don't know specifically.  I do know that plain old audio tapes may fail
>>> -- I have perhaps 100 cassettes recorded in the 1970s.  Most of them are
>>> fine, but essentially all of them that are Fuji brand have failed utterly.
>>
>> Half-inch open-reel tape at 1600 PE density.  Should be good for 50
>> years at least.
>>
>>
> Well, you are one of the experts in this, but it all depends on storage
> conditions.  Also, the extended-length tapes were too thin, and suffered
> from creasing and print-through.  Badly stored, and you can kiss your data
> goodbye in less than 5 years.
>
> Jon

Re: how good is the data reliability with CD ROM and DVD RAM?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

thus, MO drive units are not reliable?

2018-07-21 23:34 GMT+02:00 Chuck Guzis via cctalk :
> On 07/21/2018 02:12 PM, TeoZ via cctalk wrote:
>
>> I have old IBM MO Worm disks that are still readable, same with all my
>> MO disks (3.5" 130MB, 5.25" 1.3GB) but drives can be iffy. I would bet
>> that MO media will outlast us all while finding a drive to read them
>> will be a problem.
>
> I've got a few old PMC Apex 4GB disks.  I suspect that finding a working
> drive will be most difficult.  Heaven knows, mine died years ago.
>
> --Chuck
>

ps/2 Keyboard with 3 button trackball

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I am looking for a ps/2 keyboard with a 3 buttons trackball

I am currently using a Cherry's kb, but it has a built-in 2 buttons
trackball and the software I need to use requires the third button to
select items

what do you suggest, guys?

Re: how good is the data reliability with CD ROM and DVD RAM?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

what about MO? (magneto-optic disks)

- WORM (write once, read many)
- WMRM (write many, read many)

and what about magnetic-tapes? (e.g. DDS4, DLT, LTO2)

which of them lasts for the most?

MO units and disks are a bit costly
say >=50 euro for 4.5Gbyte R/W cartridge
and say >=500 euro for the driver unit (SCSI)

how good is the data reliability with CD ROM and DVD RAM?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
yesterday I was shocked by a couple of videos on Youtube where guys
pointed out their negative experiences with CD ROM and DVD RAM as
media for their own backup.

They complained their data completely lost after 5 years of storage in
CD ROMs, pointing out that their CDs were perfectly conserved and kept
clean without scratches, but all the data is gone lost since the media
is unreadable.

This is what they said in the video.

I have a lot of backup here stored in CDs, and I have recently bought
an SCSI DVDRAM unit to create new backups in caddies DVD-RAMs (of
4.2Gbyte each)

what is your experience?

68k development, Avocet Development

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
does anyone happen to use Avocet Development Tools for m68k?
how good/bad is it?

Re: GCC Ada for Linux/MIPS/BE and Linux/HPPA2

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

umm, it seems something has been released
but I have never seen it (i.e. gnat for HPUX? bah ...)


---

Ada Core Technologies has released the following versions of release
3.10p of the GNAT Ada 95 compiler. These versions should be available
shortly on the various mirror sites that provide latest GNAT versions
DEC Unix
HPPA HPUX
x86 Linux
MIPS IRIX
POWER PC AIX
SPARC SOLARIS
SPARC SUNOS
x86 NT/Win95
x86 OS/2
Power PC (Mac) Machten

Corresponding source and documentation releases have also been made.

2018-07-13 22:43 GMT+02:00 Carlo Pisani :
> besides
> we are experimenting problems supporting Ada's exceptions on Irix with
> gcc v4.7.1
>
> http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/reloaded/bazaar/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=110&p=329&sid=8b037f041d4fe8c74528008402b57762#p329
>
> it's not clear if the problem is related to gcc, rather than to binutils
>
> here some hints found on the internet (but it's an old news, 2005)
>
> http://93.55.217.0/wonderland/chunk_of/stuff/public/retrocomputing/sgi/dev/gcc-test-frame-for-mips/readme.txt

Re: GCC Ada for Linux/MIPS/BE and Linux/HPPA2

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

besides
we are experimenting problems supporting Ada's exceptions on Irix with
gcc v4.7.1

http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/reloaded/bazaar/viewtopic.php?f=33&t=110&p=329&sid=8b037f041d4fe8c74528008402b57762#p329

it's not clear if the problem is related to gcc, rather than to binutils

here some hints found on the internet (but it's an old news, 2005)

http://93.55.217.0/wonderland/chunk_of/stuff/public/retrocomputing/sgi/dev/gcc-test-frame-for-mips/readme.txt

Re: GCC Ada for Linux/MIPS/BE and Linux/HPPA2

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> How close would the PIC32 gcc compiler/toolchain be?  The PIC32 is a
> MIPS-based MCU.

inside PIC32 there is a MIPS32-R2 core, but the toolchain is not OS-profiled
it's metal bare (without an OS, and in this case Linux requires a lot
of considerations)
besides, the C compiler and libraries (and also linker scripts) have
been modified by Microchip

in short it doesn't help

GCC Ada for Linux/MIPS/BE and Linux/HPPA2

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
is there any chance someone has a working gcc-ada compiler? for
- Linux/MIPS (big endian, MIPS3, MIPS4 or MIPS32)
- Linux/HPPA2

I have successfully compiled gcc-ada for SGI_IRIX (MIPS4/BE)
but ... every attempt to create a cross-compiler(1) fails

on HPPA I have never seen an Ada compiler


(1)
host = Irix-MIPS4/BE
target = Linux/MIPS32/BE

SGI IRIX gcc 4.7

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I am trying to build gcc v4.7 on a remote IRIX machine (not my
property, thus I can't access it 24h/7) with these (1) gnu-files,
patch, and scrips (you can see how things are configured for
compilation)

I am stopped at the ppl v0.11 stage with the following error that I am
not able to understand neither to solve

any hint?

thanks


/usr/nekoware/gcc-4.7/lib/gcc/mips-sgi-irix6.5/4.7.1/../../../../include/c++/4.7.1/cmath:
In function 'typename
__gnu_cxx::__enable_if::__value,
int>::__type std::fpclassify(_Tp)':
/usr/nekoware/gcc-4.7/lib/gcc/mips-sgi-irix6.5/4.7.1/../../../../include/c++/4.7.1/cmath:814:35:
error: 'FP_NAN' was not declared in this scope
/usr/nekoware/gcc-4.7/lib/gcc/mips-sgi-irix6.5/4.7.1/../../../../include/c++/4.7.1/cmath:814:43:
error: 'FP_INFINITE' was not declared in this scope
/usr/nekoware/gcc-4.7/lib/gcc/mips-sgi-irix6.5/4.7.1/../../../../include/c++/4.7.1/cmath:814:56:
error: 'FP_NORMAL' was not declared in this scope
/usr/nekoware/gcc-4.7/lib/gcc/mips-sgi-irix6.5/4.7.1/../../../../include/c++/4.7.1/cmath:815:7:
error: 'FP_SUBNORMAL' was not declared in this scope
/usr/nekoware/gcc-4.7/lib/gcc/mips-sgi-irix6.5/4.7.1/../../../../include/c++/4.7.1/cmath:815:21:
error: 'FP_ZERO' was not declared in this scope
gmake[3]: *** [Box.lo] Error 1
gmake[3]: Leaving directory
`/root/ghdl-for-irix/prereq/new-gcc-v4.7/ppl-0.11-build/src'
gmake[2]: *** [all] Error 2
gmake[2]: Leaving directory
`/root/ghdl-for-irix/prereq/new-gcc-v4.7/ppl-0.11-build/src'
gmake[1]: *** [all-recursive] Error 1
gmake[1]: Leaving directory
`/root/ghdl-for-irix/prereq/new-gcc-v4.7/ppl-0.11-build'
gmake: *** [all] Error 2



(1) 
http://www.downthebunker.xyz/wonderland/chunk_of/stuff/public/retrocomputing/sgi/dev/gcc-v4.7.1/

For Sale SGI Phobos G160 NIC card for Indigo2, brand new, unopened box

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

up for sale is an Ethernet 10/100Mbps Card for Indigo2/MaxImpact
Brand New, Original, Never opened, Never Used!

Comes with manual and drivers, still enclosed within cellophane!

Phobos G160 are very rare nowadays

looking for 170 Euro + S/H

I can also give you a second hand (tested, working) SolidImpact GfX
for 30 euro, thus 200 Euro both, combined shipping to save your money


Located in Italy
(my parent's house)

SGI IRIX, how to compile GNAT

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi guys
I am looking for instructions about *HowTo* compile a modern version
of GNAT on IRIX >= 6.5.20

2016-12-10 =dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.9.3 - success - Linux/PPC32BE
2016-12-13 =dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.3.5 - success - Linux/PPC32BE
2017-08-24 =dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.3.5 - failure - Linux/PPC32BE
2018-03-24 =dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.3.5 - success - Linux/PPC32BE
2018-03-25 =dev-lang/gnat-gpl-4.3.5 - failure - Linux/PPC32BE
2018-03-27 =dev-lang/gnat-gpl-4.3.5 - failure - Linux/PPC32BE
2018-03-28 =dev-lang/gnat-gpl-4.3.5 - failure - Linux/PPC32BE
2018-04-05 =dev-lang/gnat-gcc-4.3.5 - success - Linux/PPC32BE

I have successfully done it on Linux/PPC32-be (Apple PowerMac G4),
but:
- it was very very difficult
- the recipe for Linux doesn't work for Irix

anyone?

thanks

Re: Making a bootable LIF CD for the 9000/382

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I can provide a bootable CD image of HPUX v10.20


2018-07-05 1:50 GMT+02:00 Al Kossow via cctalk :
>
>
> On 7/4/18 4:24 PM, Rico Pajarola wrote:
>> I'm assuming you are trying to use the newly added HP-UX images on bitsavers?
>
> No, this is for the 9mb inital boot cd.
>
> I was trying to remember if you had to do something like set it to 2048 byte
> blocks. I remember I had created the .lif file for a reason. I know someone 
> got
> it to work just by copying that .lif to a scsi hard disk.
>
>
>

Re: VT100 keyboards for parts/repair

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

they went so fast because you are the best :D

p.s.
is there a way to extract your auctions? In XML or something?
I'd love to promote them in our new Bazaar

it would be cool to have them properly indexed by the new engine I am working at




2018-07-02 22:54 GMT+02:00 Electronics Plus via cctalk :
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Electronics
> Plus via cctalk
> Sent: Monday, July 02, 2018 2:58 PM
> To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts'
> Subject: VT100 keyboards for parts/repair
>
> I have 2 in stock.
>
> https://www.elecshopper.com/dec-vt100-keyboard-for-parts-or-repair.html
>
>
>
>  Both are sold now; that was fast!
>
>
> ---
> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software.
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>

XpressWare v8.1 or above (software for Tektronix X11 terminals)

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi,
In 1990s Tektronix produced digital video X terminal and introduced
X server software based on VxWorks v5 (Windriver). Later they
introduced a new line of terminals, at some point a company called NCD
bought the Tektronix X11-terminals division and started to produce
their own line, called NCD-terminals with a software called
"NCD-bridge"

Anyway, both the 200-series and the 400-series of the Tektronix X11
terminals boot from a directory on a server via NFS or TFTP, either
way, you need to create a directory for the terminal to boot from, and
install a number of files.

These files are provided as "Tektronix XpressWare version 8.0 (or
later)". The 200-series can bootstrap from v7 ( one of the member of
my team owns an original CD), but the 200-series needs the v8 or later
(we don't have).

Unofficially, you might look for NCD, the Company who bought the
X-terminals division from Tektronix; they had (note the past tense)
some software in the form of patches, accessible by anonymous ftp.
There aren't any complete releases, but there were archives which
contains much that is useful to be found in the ftp, in particular
patches containing bits of version 8.1 of XpressWare; enough to form
the basis of a working installation.

Unfortunately, the archive is gone, no more available.

Let me know if you have the software or if you know where/how to find
it, otherwise, X11-terminals like X400 can't be functional.


Thanks

Motorola MC68882 user manual (paper copy)

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I am looking for a paper copy of the Motorola MC68882 user manual
(it's a floating point unit)

let me know if you have for sale

thanks

downthebunker bazaar, new domain

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

we have recently bought a domain
http://www.downthebunker.xyz
and a subdomain
http://deals.downthebunker.xyz/

you can reach us there :)

I am also working on a new engine, and probably we will also add HTTPS

thanks

SGI Silicon Graphics Phobos G160 for Indigo2 Impact

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I have for sale, qty=1, SGI Silicon Graphics Phobos G160 for Indigo2 Impact
brand new, still closed in the box, unopened!

located in Italy (in my parent's house)

I will be happy to give it a new home

Teketronix X11 terminals & XpressWare

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
here it is a page (I am not the author) that summarizes about the 400s series

unfortunately, they need XpressWare v8, which is rather impossible to be found.

https://web-docs.gsi.de/~kraemer/COLLECTION/NCD/www.technogoths.demon.co.uk/tekxp400/node3.html#SECTION00031000

Re: C3253A HP Envizex P-Series

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

> could you upload them to archive.org?

no

C3253A HP Envizex P-Series

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

(x11 terminal) C3253A HP Envizex P-Series

Up for sale is a X-Terminal made by Hewlett Packard in 1995.

Tested, in perfect working conditions!!!

cpu: i960 @ 33Mhz (it's the fastest available on Envizex v1)
ram: 48MB (builtin + 16+16+8, the first two sims need to be equal)
rom: none (sorry, It doesn't have any font-rom, it loads fonts from tftp/NFS)
vram: 2MB
lan: 10Mbps BASET RJ45 (it also comes with an AUI port on the back)
kb/mouse: common PS/2 (F12 is a special key, but Envizex works on
common keyboards, HIL keyboards are also supported)
Media: floppy 3.5",1.44MB
Software included!


It comes with all the documentation, configuration-scripts, and
startup for Linux (sorry, I don't have HPUXv10.20/v11, I can't
test/adapt scrips).

The machine is perfectly working, it supports the X Display Manager
Control Protocol (XDMCP), you just need to power on your hardwired
terminal and be greeted with a login prompt. This purpose is easy to
be accomplished on HP terminals, especially if you use NFS instead of
tftpboot.

HP-net-stations can boot using either Network File System or Trivial
FTP, with NFS being the preferred method it's simpler.

During the final phase of startup, the bootup screen disappears and
the X station loads bin/modules.ld, which tells what can be optionally
loaded (but not executed), and then starts the X session by executing
the application that was specified by the user on config/autoexec.cfg

It supports all of the following:

XDM login
VUE
CDE Lite (its panel appears similar to the one you can see on HPUX)
mwm (simple windows manager)
twm (simple windows manager)

If you see one of first three login screens in the above list, you
just need to enter your login account and password.

80 euro + s/h
located in Switzerland

Re: New Listings for Sellam's VWoCW - June 20, 2018

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

>It took me to a page that immediately made me feel
> my computer was imminently about to receive some nefarious code.  I

have you ever heard about GPDR?
the page simply informs you about that

Tektronix terminals, Tekxpress v8?

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I have a Tek XP400, and a Tek XP217. They are X11-terminals made in
1990s (thus unable to support GTK-v2)

anyway, the XP217 runs with TekXpress v7, I have a copy for my
tftp-boot server and the terminal is happy with it; whereas the XP400
says it needs a more recent software.

does anyone happen to have TekXpress v8, or NCD bridge v4?

let me know
Thanks

68020 adapter

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi guys
I need something like this (1)
anyone know where can I get one?

(1) https://literature.cdn.keysight.com/litweb/pdf/64748-90901.pdf

Re: Lots of old DEC stuff

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

you can put this information on my website
http://downthebunker.chickenkiller.com/

2018-06-14 20:18 GMT+02:00 Electronics Plus via cctalk :
> This guy is an eBay seller. I think he is a recycler. He has over 185,000
> DEC items listed! Not affiliated with seller, etc.
>
>
>
> https://www.ebay.com/sch/m.html?
>  &_nkw=DEC&_sacat=0
>
>
>
>
>
> Cindy Croxton
>
>
>
>
>
> ---
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Re: New Listings for Sellam's Collection Sales

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

I can offer a free participation to my website

http://downthebunker.chickenkiller.com/

2018-06-07 15:40 GMT+02:00 systems_glitch via cctalk :
> Prices have seemed fair to me, I've bought a bit of stuff off Sellam over
> the last few months and he's been prompt in shipping, as well as willing to
> combine shipping costs. Nothing wrong in not giving your hardware away.
>
> Thanks,
> Jonathan
>
> On Thu, Jun 7, 2018 at 12:59 AM, Sellam Ismail via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> Hi Randy.
>>
>> I have stuff that you can't find on eBay.  And I am not offering the eBay
>> experience.  This is me, Sellam, you are dealing with.
>>
>> When I can find actual closing sales online (I need some place to start), I
>> generally go on the lower end of the mean of the data I find.  It's a
>> collectors market, sometimes I'm high, sometimes I'm low, but I'm trying.
>> Do you know how to assess the value of items as diverse as what I'm
>> listing?  I do, it's a lot of work.  Come help out if you have the time,
>> I'll trade you for stuff.
>>
>> The listed prices are what I'm asking, as stated.  I'm always open to
>> offers, as stated.  I price fairly, to move it, and if something sits for a
>> while, you have a good chance of negotiating a price more to your liking,
>> if you ask, but know that I am willing to sit on some things.  I invested a
>> lot of time, effort, blood, sweat, tears and money into my collection over
>> many years.  I'd like to recoup some of it.
>>
>> All you have done is propounded a broad-based whine.  if there's something
>> that interests you but the price is not right, let me know.  I'm making
>> many sales and many deals, stuff is moving.  Ask and ye may well receive.
>> Just be reasonable.
>>
>> Sellam
>>
>> On Wed, Jun 6, 2018 at 7:57 PM, Randy Dawson 
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Inspired by ebay for all the items there that never sell for the asking
>> > price.
>> >
>> >
>> > C'mon Sellam, you want to get out, how about lowering the prices a bit to
>> > move things along?
>> >
>> >
>> > --
>> > *From:* cctalk  on behalf of Ed Sharpe
>> via
>> > cctalk 
>> > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 6, 2018 7:50 PM
>> > *To:* sellam.ism...@gmail.com; cctalk@classiccmp.org;
>> > cctalk@classiccmp.org
>> > *Subject:* Re: New Listings for Sellam's Collection Sales
>> >
>> > do the prices keep increasing?
>> >
>> > In a message dated 6/4/2018 10:02:53 PM US Mountain Standard Time,
>> > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes:
>> >
>> >
>> >  Hi Folks.
>> >
>> > I've reorganized my sales listings into a Google Sheets set. The
>> > introductory page is here:
>> >
>> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I53wxarLHlNmlPVf_
>> > HJ5oMKuab4zrApI_hiX0pNmy48/edit#gid=0
>> >
>> > Use the tabs on the bottom of the sheet to navigate to the various
>> "rooms".
>> >
>> > New items have been added and are listed here:
>> >
>> > https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1I53wxarLHlNmlPVf_
>> > HJ5oMKuab4zrApI_hiX0pNmy48/edit#gid=949372371
>> >
>> > New items are always added to the New Arrivals Niche, so that's the first
>> > place you should check when you visit my virtual online warehouse. I will
>> > post a message to this list and the VCFed forums whenever new items are
>> > listed, which will occur more regularly.
>> >
>> > As always, please inquire directly to me via e-mail for the fastest
>> > response.
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > Sellam
>> >
>>

M68020-PGA to M68EC020-PGA

[Carlo Pisani via cctalk]

hi
I am playing with an old Motorola board and I have a problem

As you well know, the 68020 is a 32-bit microprocessor from Motorola,
released in 1984. Motorola also manufactured MC68EC020 - embedded
version of the MC68020 CPU, housed in different packages than the
Motorola 68020 microprocessor, but even in the case of PGA package of
114-pin PGA, MC68020/PGA is not pin-to-pin compatible with
M68EC020/PGA

They both use 114-pin PGA package, but some pins are different, (Vcc
and gnd are placed differenly in the pinout), and you need an adapter!

My board's socket is designed for M68EC020, but I need to use a M68020
chip because only the goldcap version, i.e. MC68020RC33 114-pin
ceramic PGA, is available at 33Mhz.

Code: Select allCPU: MC68020 114-pin PGA [adapter] ---> socket:
MC68EC020 114-pin PGA


Do you happen to know *where* I can find an adaptor M68020-PGA to M68EC020 PGA?
Do you happen to have for sale?

here I am
Thanks!