Re: IBM Model M keyboard for 3192
No, this keyboard is not AT compatible. It uses a different protocol. I have a 3192, but I don't have a keyboard for it yet, so I don't know if it differs from the RJ45 style terminal keyboards in just connector or if the protocol is different too. Neither are AT-compatable though. There is a device called a Soarers converter (unsure on spelling) that will convert it to USB and allow it to act as a normal HID keyboard. I haven't played with mine enough to know how well it works, so YMMV. From: Charles Dickman via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, 22 August 2018 20:16 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: IBM Model M keyboard for 3192 I got a box of miscellaneous model M keyboards last week. One of them has 122 keys and the connector is the size of a PC/AT type circular DIN connector, but the 5 pins are spread over 240deg instead of the AT's 180deg. The part no. is 1390702 and a little research found it is from an IBM 3192 terminal. Is it electrically/protocol compatible with the PC/AT and PS/2 keyboard or a different animal completely? -chuck
Re: 2 huge warehouses full of old computers
These guys are fairly local to me...20 minute drive or so. I might take a hike out there and see if they're any good or a joke. Jim From: Grant Taylor via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, 30 October 2018 17:22 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: 2 huge warehouses full of old computers On 10/29/2018 06:36 PM, Chris Hanson via cctalk wrote: > I managed to do a search for Apollo stuff and their prices are outrageous. I have heard through the grapevine that the prices shown are MSRP and meant for businesses. Purportedly they will provide much more reasonable pricing if you mention to to them that you're a hobbyist. I have no first hand knowledge if this is true or not. -- Grant. . . . unix || die
Re: What is this?
I might acutally be IBM made. The "1P1288" part number fits the numbering scheme they used. I've seen one of these before, but I don't remember where, or what it was for... I'm curious as to what it actually is myself now though... From: Donald via cctalk Sent: Thursday, 22 November 2018 18:48 To: cctalk@classiccmp.org Subject: What is this? Don't think it is IBM. Apparently high temp ICs due to the heat sink housing. No idea what it is. http://www.myimagecollection/part
Re: What is this?
That sounds about right. I didn't immediately recognise it as such since the modules for my 3174 are a different style. But yes - that is likely correct. Here's a listing for one on eBay to compare against. https://www.ebay.com/itm/141671996971 From: Patrick Finnegan via cctalk Sent: Friday, 23 November 2018 09:52 To: Paul Koning; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: What is this? It looks like a memory module out of an IBM 3174 Establishment Controller. Patrick Finnegan On Fri, Nov 23, 2018, 10:48 Paul Koning via cctalk > > > On Nov 23, 2018, at 6:13 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > On Fri, 23 Nov 2018 at 01:49, Donald via cctalk > wrote: > >> > >> Don't think it is IBM. Apparently high temp ICs due to the heat sink > >> housing. No idea what it is. > >> > >> http://www.myimagecollection/part > > > > No idea, because that's not a valid URL -- it has no TLD -- and you > > can't send attachments to the list. > > Stick a .com in there and it works. > > I don't think it's anything high temperature; the ICs look like plain > plastic cased commercial temperature range parts. Why they are packaged > like that is a puzzle. > > paul > > >
Re: IBM terminals with keyboards, 3174 controllers, 4700 controllers
Yeah, pics would be good. I'd be interested in a channel attached 3174. From: William Donzelli via cctalk Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 11:22 To: Electronics Plus; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: IBM terminals with keyboards, 3174 controllers, 4700 controllers Any pics available? -- Will On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 12:20 PM Electronics Plus via cctalk wrote: > > Previously I have posted some vendors who have old hardware they are willing > to sell. > > Earlier this week I was in San Antonio, and I stopped by an old friend to > say hello. > > He has several 3174 controllers, and every imaginable add-on available for > them. Pallets of them! > > Also IBM 4700 banking controllers, and 1 monitor. No keyboards. > > 8" floppy drives. > > IBM terminals, most models available, $85 tested and working with matching > keyboard, no severe screen burn. > > > > Contact bfloyd at southtexasproducts dot com. > > > > Cindy Croxton > > Electronics Plus > > 1613 Water Street > > Kerrville, TX 78028 > > 830-370-3239 cell > > sa...@elecplus.com > > > > > > --- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus
Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?
Simon Systems should be able to get you the microcode diskettes. I think they charged me around $35 USD when I bought in Nov. 2017. Send them an email and let them know what you need. https://simonsys.com/ On a side note, I may need to ping you off list...I've got an 11R and I'm curious if it can be converted to an 11L, since I'd prefer to channel attach it to my machine instead of use ethernet. -Jim From: Kevin Monceaux via cctalk Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 21:28 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks? Classic Computer Fans, I posted this to the IBM-Legacy-Hercules mailing list. I just realized it probably wouldn't hurt to post it here too. I'm finally in possession of a box that hopefully is capable or can be made capable of connecting a real terminal to Hercules. It's a 3174 11L. It was retired last year where I work. I finally got the okay to save it from being sent to a scrapper. I love the build quality of older IBM gear, except when I'm trying to move such gear. Between the 3174 and a 9406-520 I also acquired, I pulled or strained something in my left arm moving them into place. It's currently wired to run on 220v. I think I've seen mentioned somewhere that it can be changed to run on 110v. If that's the case, does anyone have a pointer to documentation on what's involved? It has dual floppy drives. At least one drive is a 2.4MB drive. But, all the microcode disks I have are at level B 4.6. Does anyone know where I can get a set of C 6.4 control and control extension disks. From what I've heard those are what's needed to enable an attached terminal to connect to other systems via telnet. It has a token ring card. I will probably be able to get the MAU it was connected to, and possibly the router that acted as a token ring to Ethernet bridge. I'm not sure how much memory it has. Does anyone have any tips on determining the amount of memory it has, and/or identifying its boards? These are the numbers on its boards: 9210 9351 9052 z2 9053 9501 Plus the boards for coax connections. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum. Posted by: Kevin Monceaux Yahoo Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibm-legacy-hercules/ <*> Your email settings: Individual Email | Traditional <*> To change settings online go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ibm-legacy-hercules/join (Yahoo! ID required) <*> To change settings via email: ibm-legacy-hercules-dig...@yahoogroups.com ibm-legacy-hercules-fullfeatu...@yahoogroups.com <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: ibm-legacy-hercules-unsubscr...@yahoogroups.com <*> Your use of Yahoo Groups is subject to: https://info.yahoo.com/legal/us/yahoo/utos/terms/ -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?
Kevin, No problem in the link. As for my system, I've got a z800 (a 2066-0A1 to be exact). It's got ESCON, so I've got an Optica converter box of which the model number escapes me; but it's the replacement/alternative to the IBM Pacer boxes. That allows bus and tag gear to connect up to ESCON channels. As for converting R to L, I'll play around with stuff. Worst case, I'll just buy an 11L and use the 11R for spares or for messing around. --- Jim Stefanik Dallas Vintage Computing Center From: Kevin Monceaux via cctalk Sent: Thursday, 14 February 2019 23:07 To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks? Jim, On Thu, Feb 14, 2019 at 10:23:30PM -0600, Jim Stefanik via cctalk wrote: > Simon Systems should be able to get you the microcode diskettes. I think > they charged me around $35 USD when I bought in Nov. 2017. Send them an > email and let them know what you need. Thanks!! I'll check with them. > On a side note, I may need to ping you off list...I've got an 11R and I'm > curious if it can be converted to an 11L, since I'd prefer to channel > attach it to my machine instead of use ethernet. Now I'm curious, as others on the list might also be. What machine do you have with bus and tag channels to connect an 11L to? Unfortunately I know nothing about converting an 11R to an 11L, or if it's even possible. -- Kevin http://www.RawFedDogs.net http://www.Lassie.xyz http://www.WacoAgilityGroup.org Bruceville, TX What's the definition of a legacy system? One that works! Errare humanum est, ignoscere caninum.
Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks?
OK, so this thread pushed my to pursue playing with DT/6000. If anyone has documentation on how exactly everything fits together, please let me know...if someone miraculously has a copy of DT/6000 in their archive, I could use a copy. Feel free to ping me off list to keep the noise here down. --- Jim Stefanik Dallas Vintage Computing Center From: Jay Jaeger via cctech Sent: Monday, 18 February 2019 15:48 To: cct...@classiccmp.org Subject: Re: IBM 3174 C 6.4 Microcode Disks? On 2/15/2019 10:22 AM, Jay Jaeger via cctech wrote: > On 2/14/2019 9:28 PM, Kevin Monceaux via cctalk wrote: >> Classic Computer Fans, >> >> I posted this to the IBM-Legacy-Hercules mailing list. I just realized it >> probably wouldn't hurt to post it here too. >> >> I'm finally in possession of a box that hopefully is capable or can be made >> capable of connecting a real terminal to Hercules. It's a 3174 11L. It was >> retired last year where I work. I finally got the okay to save it from >> being sent to a scrapper. I love the build quality of older IBM gear, >> except when I'm trying to move such gear. Between the 3174 and a 9406-520 I >> also acquired, I pulled or strained something in my left arm moving them >> into place. >> >> It's currently wired to run on 220v. I think I've seen mentioned somewhere >> that it can be changed to run on 110v. If that's the case, does anyone have >> a pointer to documentation on what's involved? >> >> It has dual floppy drives. At least one drive is a 2.4MB drive. But, all >> the microcode disks I have are at level B 4.6. Does anyone know where I can >> get a set of C 6.4 control and control extension disks. From what I've >> heard those are what's needed to enable an attached terminal to connect to >> other systems via telnet. >> >> It has a token ring card. I will probably be able to get the MAU it was >> connected to, and possibly the router that acted as a token ring to Ethernet >> bridge. >> >> I'm not sure how much memory it has. Does anyone have any tips on >> determining the amount of memory it has, and/or identifying its boards? >> These are the numbers on its boards: >> >> 9210 >> 9351 >> 9052 z2 >> 9053 >> 9501 >> >> Plus the boards for coax connections. >> >> >> > > I have some 3174 floppy disks, but I don't know what - they are not in > my inventory. I will put it on my queue to look at them - but it may be > a couple of weeks. I don't hold out much hope, but I will look. > Well, it turns out my floppies are for *3274* rather than 3174. But, that said, if anyone needs any of them, let me know: just shipping cost. Here is a sample: 3274 Disks IBM Diskette 2 256 Bytes/Sector Date Name 8/09/83 A13 FEAT DISK CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 60.0 VALIDATION NUMBER 30 8/10/83 A23 SYST DISK CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 60.0 VALIDATION NUMBER 30 [Customized] 8/10/83 A23 SYST DISK CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 60.0 VALIDATION NUMBER 30 [Customized] 6/18/84 A22 FEAT DISK CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 63.0 VALIDATION NUMBER 33 6/30/84 A12 FEAT DISK CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 63.0 VALIDATION NUMBER 33 6/30/84 A22 SYST DISK CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 63.0 VALIDATION NUMBER 33 6/30/84 A22 SYST DISK CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 63.0 VALIDATION NUMBER 33 6/30/84 A22 SYST DISK CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 63.0 VALIDATION NUMBER 33 7/01/84 A22 LANGUAGE DISKETTE - RELEASE C FOR CONFIG D AT REL 63.0 OR HIGHER 7/01/84 A12 LANGUAGE DISKETTE - RELEASE C FOR CONFIG D AT REL 63.0 OR HIGHER 7/12/84 A23 SYST DISK CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 63.0 VALIDATION NUMBER 33 7/12/84 A22 SYST DISK CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 63.0 VALIDATION NUMBER 33 7/18/84 A23 LANGUAGE DISKETTE - RELEASE C FOR CONFIG D AT REL 63.0 OR HIGHER 6/11/85 B22 18.33 LANGUAGE DISKETTE FOR CONFIG D AT REL 64.0 OR HIGHER 6/11/85 A12 21.30 SYSTEM - CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 64.1 VALIDATION 34 OR HIGHER 6/18/85 A12 19.40 FEATURE - CONFIG SUPPORT D REL 64.1 VALIDATION 34 OR HIGHER 6/24/86 B23 17.17 LANGUAGE DISKETTE FOR CONFIG D AT REL 65.0 OR HIGHER 6/24/86 B12 17.08 LANGUAGE DISKETTE FOR CONFIG D AT REL 65.0 OR HIGHER 6/24/86 B12 17.05 LANGUAGE DISKETTE FOR CONFIG D AT REL 65.0 OR HIGHER --- KYB DEF UTILILTY REL G FOR LOAD 3290 D41.00, 3179-G D25.00 OR HIGHER (And about 150 more, in a similar date range)
Re: SCSI2SD: Is it worth a try?
I too have been using these for a few years; also on mostly 90s workstations and servers (Sun, SGI, Alpha, Apple, etc). I think I have about a dozen or so V5 boards. I've not tried the V6, as I've heard numerous stories of poor compability. The multi-mode emulation works fine. I booted my Sun SPARCStation 10 from a Solaris ISO using CD-ROM emulation mode and installed the OS onto an emulated HDD running on the same SCSI2SD. --- Jim Stefanik Dallas Vintage Computing Center From: Sophie Haskins via cctalk Sent: Tuesday, 19 March 2019 07:58 To: Charles Dickman; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: SCSI2SD: Is it worth a try? I've had pretty great luck with using SCSI2SDs in my various mostly-90s workstations (https://blog.pizzabox.computer/, among a few others). In a few cases (VAXstation 4000 VLC, Quadra 610) you need to put the settings to emulate a "real" model of drive, but otherwise compatibility has been pretty good. Someone later in the thread mentioned tape support - I haven't used it, but the configuration utility has the option to set a given SCSI ID to present itself as a tape drive. I have a feeling I'm gonna need to explore this when I get around to trying to get my Sun 3/80 running... Sophie -Original Message- From: cctalk On Behalf Of Charles Dickman via cctalk Sent: Monday, March 18, 2019 10:16 PM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: SCSI2SD: Is it worth a try? What is the experience with the SCSI2SD with old computers? It looks to be SCSI-1 and SCSI-2 compatible and I see a lot of reports of usage on this list. I am curious about how well it works and which version to get. Versions up to 5 seem to be GPLed and reasonably available. V6 does not seem to have schematics or boards open sourced and I haven't seen a supplier for them. The web page lists some sources, but they don't have the V6 available. It looks like the V6 is not open because someone used the design without following the GPL. V6 claims synchronous transfers, but I don't think most of my hardware supports it. That consists of VAXstations and qbus scsi cards. If I was after speed I wouldn't be using old hardware, but the speed has to be consistent with the era. Chuck
