[cctalk] Re: Looking for datasheet of RTC M3001 ...

2023-04-13 Thread Bernd Kopriva via cctalk
I have compared the pinout of the MM58167 with the diagram given in the 
Ceres-3 Hardware description ...
... unfortunately, these are completely different, so your assumption 
seems not be valid :-(


Liam Proven via cctalk wrote on 13.04.23 15:38:

On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 at 17:41, Bernd Kopriva via cctalk
 wrote:

Does anyone have a pointer to the datasheet ?

A comment on book said:

«
For me, 'National Semiconductor' and 'RTC' together mean their own
design of the MM58167 that was used on the AST multi-I/O and memory
expansion adapters for the PC and the PS/2 Model 30. I guess that RTC
was sourced differently later.
»





[cctalk] Re: Looking for datasheet of RTC M3001 ...

2023-04-13 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Tue, 11 Apr 2023 at 17:41, Bernd Kopriva via cctalk
 wrote:
> Does anyone have a pointer to the datasheet ?

A comment on book said:

«
For me, 'National Semiconductor' and 'RTC' together mean their own
design of the MM58167 that was used on the AST multi-I/O and memory
expansion adapters for the PC and the PS/2 Model 30. I guess that RTC
was sourced differently later.
»

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[cctalk] Re: Looking for datasheet of RTC M3001 ...

2023-04-12 Thread Bernd Kopriva via cctalk

The company could not help ...
... i'm not sure if the sources will help as he is doing a FPGA 
implementation. The goal is to run the code in the original ROM ...


Bernd

jos via cctalk wrote on 12/04/2023 16:00:

On 11.04.23 18:35, Bernd Kopriva via cctalk wrote:

Hi,
a friend of mine is currently working on a FPGA implementation of the 
CERES-3 workstation (cpu-ns32k.net/TRIPUTER.html#Ceres).
He currently lacks of information of the RTC chip M3001 which was 
manufactored by Swiss company Microelectronic-Marin.

Does anyone have a pointer to the datasheet ?

Thanks Bernd


Did you try the company itself ? 
https://www.emmicroelectronic.com/welcome


Also the Ceres source code is available. I have assembler source for 
the bootstrap of the Ceres-1 system.


Jos






[cctalk] Re: Looking for datasheet of RTC M3001 ...

2023-04-12 Thread Bernd Kopriva via cctalk
The "easy to find" documentation for the Ceres-3 was not helpful but he 
is tying to get in contact with one

of the "older" guys that were involved in the developemnt

Will Cooke via cctalk wrote on 12/04/2023 15:48:



On 04/12/2023 8:26 AM CDT Bernd Kopriva via cctalk  
wrote:


Thanks for the link ...
... i will ask him if this my help.

Thanks Bernd


It may also be useful to contact the CS/EE department(s) at ETH and ask them.  
Perhaps they have a copy archived with the project documents.

Will





[cctalk] Re: Looking for datasheet of RTC M3001 ...

2023-04-12 Thread jos via cctalk

On 11.04.23 18:35, Bernd Kopriva via cctalk wrote:

Hi,
a friend of mine is currently working on a FPGA implementation of the CERES-3 
workstation (cpu-ns32k.net/TRIPUTER.html#Ceres).
He currently lacks of information of the RTC chip M3001 which was manufactored 
by Swiss company Microelectronic-Marin.
Does anyone have a pointer to the datasheet ?

Thanks Bernd


Did you try the company itself ? https://www.emmicroelectronic.com/welcome

Also the Ceres source code is available. I have assembler source for the 
bootstrap of the Ceres-1 system.

Jos



[cctalk] Re: Looking for datasheet of RTC M3001 ...

2023-04-12 Thread Will Cooke via cctalk



> On 04/12/2023 8:26 AM CDT Bernd Kopriva via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> Thanks for the link ...
> ... i will ask him if this my help.
> 
> Thanks Bernd
> 

It may also be useful to contact the CS/EE department(s) at ETH and ask them.  
Perhaps they have a copy archived with the project documents.

Will


[cctalk] Re: Looking for datasheet of RTC M3001 ...

2023-04-12 Thread Bernd Kopriva via cctalk

Thanks for the link ...
... i will ask him if this my help.

Thanks Bernd

Jan Secker via cctalk wrote on 11/04/2023 19:06:

Hi,
I found this:
https://www.silicon-ark.co.uk/m3002-16pi-real-time-clock-by-me-microelectronica
Not exactly what you asked but maybe useful.

Jan

Op di 11 apr 2023 om 18:41 schreef Bernd Kopriva via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>:


Hi,
a friend of mine is currently working on a FPGA implementation of the
CERES-3 workstation (cpu-ns32k.net/TRIPUTER.html#Ceres).
He currently lacks of information of the RTC chip M3001 which was
manufactored by Swiss company Microelectronic-Marin.
Does anyone have a pointer to the datasheet ?

Thanks Bernd





[cctalk] Re: Looking for datasheet of RTC M3001 ...

2023-04-11 Thread Jan Secker via cctalk
Hi,
I found this:
https://www.silicon-ark.co.uk/m3002-16pi-real-time-clock-by-me-microelectronica
Not exactly what you asked but maybe useful.

Jan

Op di 11 apr 2023 om 18:41 schreef Bernd Kopriva via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org>:

> Hi,
> a friend of mine is currently working on a FPGA implementation of the
> CERES-3 workstation (cpu-ns32k.net/TRIPUTER.html#Ceres).
> He currently lacks of information of the RTC chip M3001 which was
> manufactored by Swiss company Microelectronic-Marin.
> Does anyone have a pointer to the datasheet ?
>
> Thanks Bernd
>