Re: Couple of Xerox 6085 questions

2016-02-16 Thread Josh Dersch

On 2/16/16 2:35 PM, Mike Ross wrote:

1. Anyone who has played with Xerox systems will have encountered the
dreaded 0937 code at boot time; it means "I have been configured for
network operations. I abjure the world and will wait until hell
freezes over before continuing the boot - unless I get the time from a
network time server!"

This is inconvenient and frustrating at times. Netware IPX/SPX is
basically Xerox XNS implemented pretty much unchanged; does anyone
happen to know if a Netware server can provide network time server
functions - and in a way that a Xerox workstation would grok?

2. I haven't powered up my 6085s in a long time - at least 5 years;
maybe 10 for some of them. The results have been most disappointing.
They won't even *start* POST - and/or they give a rolling screen with
no sync - and/or a blank screen - and/or they pass POST but won't boot
with an 0151 error. I've tracked these down in most cases to flaky IOB
boards. These boards hold the system PROMs. Anyone else seen similar
issues? Could it be bit rot in the PROMs? Is that a known thing with
6085s?
My experience (which is admittedly limited) is that removing socketed 
chips, cleaning with contact cleaner, and re-seating the chips can make 
a pretty big difference.  This includes the CLCC-style socketed chips.


I'd also make sure none of the backplane pins have gotten bent while 
swapping boards, just for good measure.


- Josh



Thanks

Mike





Re: Couple of Xerox 6085 questions

2016-02-16 Thread Al Kossow



On 2/16/16 2:35 PM, Mike Ross wrote:

1. Anyone who has played with Xerox systems will have encountered the
dreaded 0937 code at boot time; it means "I have been configured for
network operations. I abjure the world and will wait until hell
freezes over before continuing the boot - unless I get the time from a
network time server!"

This is inconvenient and frustrating at times. Netware IPX/SPX is
basically Xerox XNS implemented pretty much unchanged; does anyone
happen to know if a Netware server can provide network time server
functions - and in a way that a Xerox workstation would grok?


there was an NS time server for Unix. it would require some hacking to 
get it

to work on another system

You can set the time manually, but its a bit awkward to set up. See page 
B-7 of 610E00201_XDE_User_Guide_Oct88.pdf under xerox/xde on bitsavers



2. I haven't powered up my 6085s in a long time - at least 5 years;
maybe 10 for some of them. The results have been most disappointing.
They won't even *start* POST - and/or they give a rolling screen with
no sync - and/or a blank screen - and/or they pass POST but won't boot
with an 0151 error. I've tracked these down in most cases to flaky IOB
boards. These boards hold the system PROMs. Anyone else seen similar
issues? Could it be bit rot in the PROMs? Is that a known thing with
6085s?

possible. I'm digging out all of my 6085 parts now so I'll know more in 
a couple of months





Couple of Xerox 6085 questions

2016-02-16 Thread Mike Ross
1. Anyone who has played with Xerox systems will have encountered the
dreaded 0937 code at boot time; it means "I have been configured for
network operations. I abjure the world and will wait until hell
freezes over before continuing the boot - unless I get the time from a
network time server!"

This is inconvenient and frustrating at times. Netware IPX/SPX is
basically Xerox XNS implemented pretty much unchanged; does anyone
happen to know if a Netware server can provide network time server
functions - and in a way that a Xerox workstation would grok?

2. I haven't powered up my 6085s in a long time - at least 5 years;
maybe 10 for some of them. The results have been most disappointing.
They won't even *start* POST - and/or they give a rolling screen with
no sync - and/or a blank screen - and/or they pass POST but won't boot
with an 0151 error. I've tracked these down in most cases to flaky IOB
boards. These boards hold the system PROMs. Anyone else seen similar
issues? Could it be bit rot in the PROMs? Is that a known thing with
6085s?

Thanks

Mike