Kaypro 2000 charging

2018-05-16 Thread joe heck via cctalk

Hi,
I just found a Kaypro 2000 at the local recycler.  No power supply. 
From what I can find online it has three(3) lead acid batteries.  Any 
thoughts on getting it to fire up?  I do not know the polarity of the 
power jack on the back.  Once I get that, I was thinking of a 6 volt 
supply, more to just turn it on, rather than try to charge the 
batteries.  Thanks.  Joe Heck


Re: Kaypro 2000 charging

2018-05-16 Thread dwight via cctalk
I'm curious about the lead acid battery. Most rechargeable things used NiCads. 
Do you have a picture of what is inside?

Dwight



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Subject: Kaypro 2000 charging

Hi,
I just found a Kaypro 2000 at the local recycler.  No power supply.
 From what I can find online it has three(3) lead acid batteries.  Any
thoughts on getting it to fire up?  I do not know the polarity of the
power jack on the back.  Once I get that, I was thinking of a 6 volt
supply, more to just turn it on, rather than try to charge the
batteries.  Thanks.  Joe Heck


Re: Kaypro 2000 charging

2018-05-16 Thread joe heck via cctalk

Hi Dwight,
The Selectric Typewriter Museum has a blurb on the 2000 and calls out a 
3 cell lead acid battery pack.  A Youtube video that dismantles a 2000 
that the magic smoke came out of also calls out a lead acid battery. 
The age is around 1985, so I'm not sure NiCd were readily available 
then.  Just too long ago for me to remember.  If you check Youtube, and 
look for RIP Kaypro, you will see a machine being taken apart.

Joe

On 5/16/2018 9:40 PM, dwight wrote:

I'm curious about the lead acid battery. Most rechargeable things used
NiCads. Do you have a picture of what is inside?

Dwight



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Hi,
I just found a Kaypro 2000 at the local recycler.  No power supply.
  From what I can find online it has three(3) lead acid batteries.  Any
thoughts on getting it to fire up?  I do not know the polarity of the
power jack on the back.  Once I get that, I was thinking of a 6 volt
supply, more to just turn it on, rather than try to charge the
batteries.  Thanks.  Joe Heck


Re: Kaypro 2000 charging

2018-05-16 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk

On Wed, 16 May 2018, joe heck via cctalk wrote:
The Selectric Typewriter Museum has a blurb on the 2000 and calls out a 3 
cell lead acid battery pack.  A Youtube video that dismantles a 2000 that the 
magic smoke came out of also calls out a lead acid battery. The age is around 
1985, so I'm not sure NiCd were readily available then.  Just too long ago 
for me to remember.  If you check Youtube, and look for RIP Kaypro, you will 
see a machine being taken apart.


NiCd batteries were readily available in 1985.
They were invented around 1900, and were available in USA since about 
1946?

HOWEVER, admittedly, their capacity was somewhat inadequate.
Also, their voltage was around 1.25V, when zinc-Carbon and Alkaline 
batteries were 1.5V.
Therefore, they were a somewhat unacceptable replacement for disposable 
batteries.
Nevertheless, for situations that required rechargeables, where lead-acid 
was too heavy, they were available, and widely used.   Over half a 
century ago, I used electronic flash guns that used NiCd's.
A 1985 NiCd battery pack would not have had a long life even in a Kaypro 
2000, and would end up being used mostly for moving it from one mains 
outlet to another.


I remember an interview with Lee Felsenstein, in which he was asked how 
much a battery power unit for the upcoming Osborne would weigh.  He 
reponded that the external DC connection was currently for use with a car. 
(Lee was driving a Honda Accord).



Perhaps you are thinking of NiMH, which seem to have been around less than 
30 years.  THOSE were/are way better than NiCd in capacity.


Much more recently, of course, the trend has been to Lithium batteries.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com



Re: Kaypro 2000 charging

2018-05-16 Thread dwight via cctalk
I've used NiCads in RC radios, a long as they had transistor RC radios.

I just thought it was a little unusual to see lead acid cells for a portable. I 
guess they were more concerned about run time than weight.






Re: Kaypro 2000 charging

2018-05-17 Thread joe heck via cctalk
The manual and the other documentation I've found online boasts a 4 hour 
useful runtime (with light to moderate floppy use) with a 24 hour 
charge.  And yes, the unit is heavy, at about 13 pounds.

Joe

On 5/17/2018 1:17 AM, dwight via cctalk wrote:

I've used NiCads in RC radios, a long as they had transistor RC radios.

I just thought it was a little unusual to see lead acid cells for a portable. I 
guess they were more concerned about run time than weight.







Re: Kaypro 2000 charging

2018-05-21 Thread Robert Feldman via cctalk
Message: 20
Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 20:40:04 -0700 (PDT)
From: Fred Cisin 

>I remember an interview with Lee Felsenstein, in which he was asked how
>much a battery power unit for the upcoming Osborne would weigh.  He
>reponded that the external DC connection was currently for use with a car.
>(Lee was driving a Honda Accord).

Sorry for the late reply, but I was travelling and needed to dig out the unit.

The lead-acid battery for the Osborne Powr-Pak(tm) I own weighs 3.59 kg.

Bob




Re: Kaypro 2000 charging

2018-05-21 Thread Bill Degnan via cctalk
catching up late to this thread...what is the power supply rating for a
2000, and if it's dead will removing the battery allow a person to fire it
up or do you have to have a working battery to apply power?  I forgot I
have one of these buried in my laptop shelf.
b

On Mon, May 21, 2018 at 1:30 PM, Robert Feldman via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Message: 20
> Date: Wed, 16 May 2018 20:40:04 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Fred Cisin 
> 
> >I remember an interview with Lee Felsenstein, in which he was asked how
> >much a battery power unit for the upcoming Osborne would weigh.  He
> >reponded that the external DC connection was currently for use with a car.
> >(Lee was driving a Honda Accord).
>
> Sorry for the late reply, but I was travelling and needed to dig out the
> unit.
>
> The lead-acid battery for the Osborne Powr-Pak(tm) I own weighs 3.59 kg.
>
> Bob
>
>
>