Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Monty McGraw via cctalk]

Bob,

Thanks for the link!

I downloaded the files and made my own 4052R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM
Pack this weekend -  and it works :)

Here is a thread where I discuss what this cartridge does:

http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?64863-Tektronix-4051-and-4052-R12-Enhanced-Graphics-ROM-Pack

Monty

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Al has the 4052R12 ROM dumps up on bitsavers.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 7/15/2018 12:49 PM, Monty McGraw via cctalk wrote:
>
>> I have been recovering dozens of old Tektronix 4050 series tapes and found
>> one with Fast Graphics software for the 4051.  This software program
>> jumped
>> into 6800 assembly code and retrieved three bytes per vector from a tape
>> file.  Apparently this tape is a duplicate - and it appears that all the
>> files bigger than 1KB have corrupt data.
>>
>> Apparently from the 4014 programmers guide - they had a set of demo
>> picture
>> files including a list with R2-D2.
>>
>> I have found Jos Dreesen's ftp tar file with some 4014 pictures - but I'm
>> looking for an R2-D2 picture file that is on the tape I have but corrupt.
>>
>> I also discovered that Tektronix made a 4052/4054 R12 Graphics Enhancement
>> ROM pack which included the Fast Graphics program in ROM.  I would love to
>> find one of those ROM packs - hint/hint :)
>>
>> I did recover one of the shorter picture files of Snoopy - but since I
>> don't have a 4051, I can't run the Fast Graphics program on my 4052 or
>> 4054.  One of my buddies threw a C program together to convert the data
>> file into Tek 4050 PRINT statements.
>>
>> I've posted the SNOOPY basic program and screenshots of running it on
>> vcfed
>> in a new thread:
>> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?64726-Tektronix-
>> 4051-4052-4052A-4054-4054A-Program-Archives
>>
>> I'm also still looking for a 4051/4052 Display Board.  Mike Haas posted
>> pictures here in Oct 2016 of lots of Tektronix boards including a Display
>> Board - but I don't have any direct contact info for him.
>>
>> Monty
>>
>>
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Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Monty McGraw via cctalk]

found it!

http://bitsavers.trailing-edge.com/bits/Tektronix/405x/cartridges/4052R12_Graphics_Enhancement_ROM_Pack/

thanks forever :)

Monty

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 7:11 PM, Monty McGraw  wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Have you got a link?  I looked at ftp://bitsavers.informatik.
> uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/tektronix/405x/ and http://bitsavers.org/bits/
> Tektronix/405x/4052_firmware/
> and didn't see anything
>
> Monty
>
> On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>> Al has the 4052R12 ROM dumps up on bitsavers.
>>
>> Bob
>>
>>
>> On 7/15/2018 12:49 PM, Monty McGraw via cctalk wrote:
>>
>>> I have been recovering dozens of old Tektronix 4050 series tapes and
>>> found
>>> one with Fast Graphics software for the 4051.  This software program
>>> jumped
>>> into 6800 assembly code and retrieved three bytes per vector from a tape
>>> file.  Apparently this tape is a duplicate - and it appears that all the
>>> files bigger than 1KB have corrupt data.
>>>
>>> Apparently from the 4014 programmers guide - they had a set of demo
>>> picture
>>> files including a list with R2-D2.
>>>
>>> I have found Jos Dreesen's ftp tar file with some 4014 pictures - but I'm
>>> looking for an R2-D2 picture file that is on the tape I have but corrupt.
>>>
>>> I also discovered that Tektronix made a 4052/4054 R12 Graphics
>>> Enhancement
>>> ROM pack which included the Fast Graphics program in ROM.  I would love
>>> to
>>> find one of those ROM packs - hint/hint :)
>>>
>>> I did recover one of the shorter picture files of Snoopy - but since I
>>> don't have a 4051, I can't run the Fast Graphics program on my 4052 or
>>> 4054.  One of my buddies threw a C program together to convert the data
>>> file into Tek 4050 PRINT statements.
>>>
>>> I've posted the SNOOPY basic program and screenshots of running it on
>>> vcfed
>>> in a new thread:
>>> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?64726-Tektronix-40
>>> 51-4052-4052A-4054-4054A-Program-Archives
>>>
>>> I'm also still looking for a 4051/4052 Display Board.  Mike Haas posted
>>> pictures here in Oct 2016 of lots of Tektronix boards including a Display
>>> Board - but I don't have any direct contact info for him.
>>>
>>> Monty
>>>
>>>
>> --
>> Vintage computers and electronics
>> www.dvq.com
>> www.tekmuseum.com
>> www.decmuseum.org
>>
>>
>

Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Monty McGraw via cctalk]

Bob,

Have you got a link?  I looked at
ftp://bitsavers.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/pdf/tektronix/405x/ and
http://bitsavers.org/bits/Tektronix/405x/4052_firmware/
and didn't see anything

Monty

On Thu, Jul 19, 2018 at 11:27 AM, Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> Al has the 4052R12 ROM dumps up on bitsavers.
>
> Bob
>
>
> On 7/15/2018 12:49 PM, Monty McGraw via cctalk wrote:
>
>> I have been recovering dozens of old Tektronix 4050 series tapes and found
>> one with Fast Graphics software for the 4051.  This software program
>> jumped
>> into 6800 assembly code and retrieved three bytes per vector from a tape
>> file.  Apparently this tape is a duplicate - and it appears that all the
>> files bigger than 1KB have corrupt data.
>>
>> Apparently from the 4014 programmers guide - they had a set of demo
>> picture
>> files including a list with R2-D2.
>>
>> I have found Jos Dreesen's ftp tar file with some 4014 pictures - but I'm
>> looking for an R2-D2 picture file that is on the tape I have but corrupt.
>>
>> I also discovered that Tektronix made a 4052/4054 R12 Graphics Enhancement
>> ROM pack which included the Fast Graphics program in ROM.  I would love to
>> find one of those ROM packs - hint/hint :)
>>
>> I did recover one of the shorter picture files of Snoopy - but since I
>> don't have a 4051, I can't run the Fast Graphics program on my 4052 or
>> 4054.  One of my buddies threw a C program together to convert the data
>> file into Tek 4050 PRINT statements.
>>
>> I've posted the SNOOPY basic program and screenshots of running it on
>> vcfed
>> in a new thread:
>> http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?64726-Tektronix-
>> 4051-4052-4052A-4054-4054A-Program-Archives
>>
>> I'm also still looking for a 4051/4052 Display Board.  Mike Haas posted
>> pictures here in Oct 2016 of lots of Tektronix boards including a Display
>> Board - but I don't have any direct contact info for him.
>>
>> Monty
>>
>>
> --
> Vintage computers and electronics
> www.dvq.com
> www.tekmuseum.com
> www.decmuseum.org
>
>

Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Bob Rosenbloom via cctalk]

Al has the 4052R12 ROM dumps up on bitsavers.

Bob

On 7/15/2018 12:49 PM, Monty McGraw via cctalk wrote:

I have been recovering dozens of old Tektronix 4050 series tapes and found
one with Fast Graphics software for the 4051.  This software program jumped
into 6800 assembly code and retrieved three bytes per vector from a tape
file.  Apparently this tape is a duplicate - and it appears that all the
files bigger than 1KB have corrupt data.

Apparently from the 4014 programmers guide - they had a set of demo picture
files including a list with R2-D2.

I have found Jos Dreesen's ftp tar file with some 4014 pictures - but I'm
looking for an R2-D2 picture file that is on the tape I have but corrupt.

I also discovered that Tektronix made a 4052/4054 R12 Graphics Enhancement
ROM pack which included the Fast Graphics program in ROM.  I would love to
find one of those ROM packs - hint/hint :)

I did recover one of the shorter picture files of Snoopy - but since I
don't have a 4051, I can't run the Fast Graphics program on my 4052 or
4054.  One of my buddies threw a C program together to convert the data
file into Tek 4050 PRINT statements.

I've posted the SNOOPY basic program and screenshots of running it on vcfed
in a new thread:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?64726-Tektronix-4051-4052-4052A-4054-4054A-Program-Archives

I'm also still looking for a 4051/4052 Display Board.  Mike Haas posted
pictures here in Oct 2016 of lots of Tektronix boards including a Display
Board - but I don't have any direct contact info for him.

Monty



--
Vintage computers and electronics
www.dvq.com
www.tekmuseum.com
www.decmuseum.org

Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

> On Jul 15, 2018, at 3:55 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 07/15/2018 01:58 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> 
>> The other thing the Snoopy picture reminded me of was a, if I remember 
>> correctly, National Guard exhibit at the Washington County Fairgrounds in 
>> the early 70’s.  They were making computer printouts of a Snoopy picture 
>> and, I think a calendar.  I’m pretty sure I have it in my archives, the 
>> trick is finding it…
> 
> Those predate the Tek systems by quite a few years.  60s-early 70s.
> 
> --Chuck
> 

I’ve no doubt of that.  As I recall, mind you this was over 40 years ago, there 
was no video display.  To me, back then, computers didn’t have screens. :-)

Zane

Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

You missed the vcfed link.

According to the TekWeek article, they used 4051’s.  Though I doubt that’s what 
they used for the Vipers.

That Viper photo from your 4054 is pretty darn cool.  It makes me want to own a 
Tek terminal, something I’ve never said before. :-)

My only exposure to the 4010 series was one that was hooked up to a Honeywell 
DPS-8 Mainframe that I worked on.

In light of the demo’s you’re looking for, Westgate Theater was a mile or two 
from the main Tektronix campus.  It holds the record for the longest continuous 
run of showing Star Wars.  Starting in ’77 it ran for 532 days straight.  The 
sign on the road out front started showing how many days they’d been showing 
it, before it hit 365 days.  I suspect that helps explain the number of Star 
Wars related demo’s. :-)

Zane



> On Jul 15, 2018, at 2:45 PM, Monty McGraw  wrote:
> 
> Zane,
> 
> I have been searching for the Battlestar Galactica programs or data files 
> since I got my 4052 and 4054 in 2000.
> 
> We may have to recreate them from the couple of screenshots on the web :)
> 
> The closeup screenshots on the TV shows may have been from 4010 series 
> Tektronix monitors.  I haven't seen any other info on the web from folks 
> actually involved in helping during the taping of those shows.
> 
> I created a program in 2000 in honor of Battlestar Galactica titled Vipers.  
> That program is posted on the Tek 4051 Emulator github site.
> 
> Here is a link to my post on vcfed - which has a screenshot from running it 
> on the emulator - since I had not repaired my 4052 or 4054 until a month or 
> so later.
> 
> Here is a link showing running Vipers on my repaired 4054:
> https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G3Xk-B5ZgUFYUTBrK3VevoqMXs_PIGsx/view?usp=sharing
>  
> 
> The random number printout at the bottom of the screen - showed my 4054 had 
> just been upgraded to a 4054A from an upgrade kit I bought in 2000 off EBAY 
> but had not installed. :)
> 
> Monty

Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 07/15/2018 01:58 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:

> The other thing the Snoopy picture reminded me of was a, if I remember 
> correctly, National Guard exhibit at the Washington County Fairgrounds in the 
> early 70’s.  They were making computer printouts of a Snoopy picture and, I 
> think a calendar.  I’m pretty sure I have it in my archives, the trick is 
> finding it…

Those predate the Tek systems by quite a few years.  60s-early 70s.

--Chuck

Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Randy Dawson via cctalk]

My 4051 is down at the moment, it seems to be just a minor supply issue but I 
will get you the demo files.


I really think the 4051 users are a really lose knit group out here.

Since I bought mine a few years back at that auction site for divorce prices, I 
have met maybe half a dozen users,owners.


I used to work at Tek, and I know the VintageTek guys, they have one.

There is an ad-on, created by a Tek, called FASTGRAPHICS, that did two things:

write to the display at a reduced current, so the storage tube acted like a 
normal scope, and the writes did not persist

A dramatic speed up in the vector draw, that I think outruns the bit-slice 4052


I think Brad Sebrink (wrote the 4051 emulator for the PC) was looking to glue 
us together with a user's group.  Nothing happened, because there is probably 
only 10 of us.  Surprise me, prove me wrong.


Hello Brad, you still want to create a group?


Randy




From: cctalk  on behalf of Zane Healy via cctalk 

Sent: Sunday, July 15, 2018 1:58 PM
To: Monty McGraw; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
Subject: Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and 
Tektronix 4014 demo files

Looking at that Snoopy picture brought back a couple memories.  Do the 
files/programs necessary to create the Battlestar Galactica displays exist 
anywhere?

I’m also in search of a copy of the TekWeek that has the article on Battlestar 
Galactica.  As I recall they used $3 Million in Tektronix hardware on the sets. 
 My dad should still have a copy squirreled away somewhere, the trick will be 
finding it.

Cool!  It’s finally available online!
https://vintagetek.org/tektronix-in-movies-shows/
Tektronix In Movies and Shows - vintageTEK 
Museum<https://vintagetek.org/tektronix-in-movies-shows/>
vintagetek.org
Tektronix equipment has been used in movies and shows. This is the earliest 
film we know of which features a 1952 Type 511A oscilloscope (based on the top 
louvers).


https://vintagetek.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/BattlestarGalactica_TW_060291978.pdf

The other thing the Snoopy picture reminded me of was a, if I remember 
correctly, National Guard exhibit at the Washington County Fairgrounds in the 
early 70’s.  They were making computer printouts of a Snoopy picture and, I 
think a calendar.  I’m pretty sure I have it in my archives, the trick is 
finding it…

Zane

Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Monty McGraw via cctalk]

Zane,

I have been searching for the Battlestar Galactica programs or data files
since I got my 4052 and 4054 in 2000.

We may have to recreate them from the couple of screenshots on the web :)

The closeup screenshots on the TV shows may have been from 4010 series
Tektronix monitors.  I haven't seen any other info on the web from folks
actually involved in helping during the taping of those shows.

I created a program in 2000 in honor of Battlestar Galactica titled
Vipers.  That program is posted on the Tek 4051 Emulator github site.

Here is a link to my post on vcfed - which has a screenshot from running it
on the emulator - since I had not repaired my 4052 or 4054 until a month or
so later.

Here is a link showing running Vipers on my repaired 4054:
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1G3Xk-B5ZgUFYUTBrK3VevoqMXs_PIGsx/view?usp=sharing
The random number printout at the bottom of the screen - showed my 4054 had
just been upgraded to a 4054A from an upgrade kit I bought in 2000 off EBAY
but had not installed. :)

Monty

On Sun, Jul 15, 2018 at 3:58 PM, Zane Healy  wrote:

> Looking at that Snoopy picture brought back a couple memories.  Do the
> files/programs necessary to create the Battlestar Galactica displays exist
> anywhere?
>
> I’m also in search of a copy of the TekWeek that has the article on
> Battlestar Galactica.  As I recall they used $3 Million in Tektronix
> hardware on the sets.  My dad should still have a copy squirreled away
> somewhere, the trick will be finding it.
>
> Cool!  It’s finally available online!
> https://vintagetek.org/tektronix-in-movies-shows/
> https://vintagetek.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/BattlestarGalactica_TW_
> 060291978.pdf
>
> The other thing the Snoopy picture reminded me of was a, if I remember
> correctly, National Guard exhibit at the Washington County Fairgrounds in
> the early 70’s.  They were making computer printouts of a Snoopy picture
> and, I think a calendar.  I’m pretty sure I have it in my archives, the
> trick is finding it…
>
> Zane
>
>
>
>

Re: Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

Looking at that Snoopy picture brought back a couple memories.  Do the 
files/programs necessary to create the Battlestar Galactica displays exist 
anywhere?

I’m also in search of a copy of the TekWeek that has the article on Battlestar 
Galactica.  As I recall they used $3 Million in Tektronix hardware on the sets. 
 My dad should still have a copy squirreled away somewhere, the trick will be 
finding it. 

Cool!  It’s finally available online!
https://vintagetek.org/tektronix-in-movies-shows/
https://vintagetek.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/12/BattlestarGalactica_TW_060291978.pdf

The other thing the Snoopy picture reminded me of was a, if I remember 
correctly, National Guard exhibit at the Washington County Fairgrounds in the 
early 70’s.  They were making computer printouts of a Snoopy picture and, I 
think a calendar.  I’m pretty sure I have it in my archives, the trick is 
finding it…

Zane

Looking for Tektronix 4052 R12 Graphics Enhancement ROM Pack and Tektronix 4014 demo files

[Monty McGraw via cctalk]

I have been recovering dozens of old Tektronix 4050 series tapes and found
one with Fast Graphics software for the 4051.  This software program jumped
into 6800 assembly code and retrieved three bytes per vector from a tape
file.  Apparently this tape is a duplicate - and it appears that all the
files bigger than 1KB have corrupt data.

Apparently from the 4014 programmers guide - they had a set of demo picture
files including a list with R2-D2.

I have found Jos Dreesen's ftp tar file with some 4014 pictures - but I'm
looking for an R2-D2 picture file that is on the tape I have but corrupt.

I also discovered that Tektronix made a 4052/4054 R12 Graphics Enhancement
ROM pack which included the Fast Graphics program in ROM.  I would love to
find one of those ROM packs - hint/hint :)

I did recover one of the shorter picture files of Snoopy - but since I
don't have a 4051, I can't run the Fast Graphics program on my 4052 or
4054.  One of my buddies threw a C program together to convert the data
file into Tek 4050 PRINT statements.

I've posted the SNOOPY basic program and screenshots of running it on vcfed
in a new thread:
http://www.vcfed.org/forum/showthread.php?64726-Tektronix-4051-4052-4052A-4054-4054A-Program-Archives

I'm also still looking for a 4051/4052 Display Board.  Mike Haas posted
pictures here in Oct 2016 of lots of Tektronix boards including a Display
Board - but I don't have any direct contact info for him.

Monty