New to System/36
Just picked up an IBM System/36 5362 tonight. It is in pretty good physical condition with just a few minor scratches - other than needing a thorough cleaning. It has 2 60 MB hard disks in the unit. Not sure of the RAM capacity. Missing the the mode hard key. A few of us tried to get it running tonight. It came with a 3179 twin-ax terminal but no keyboard. We connected the terminal via a twinax cable direct from port 0 to the terminated Y adapter on the terminal. Never got any output on the terminal at any time other than the fairly empty status line. The S/36 front panel console light did illuminate after we connected the terminal. The key was locked to Normal but we were able to by-pass it with a jumper to get it into Service mode. The media that came with it only had disk 1 of an SSP release and we could not get that to IPL from floppy (mode 3 / panel 1000). It stepped the head motor forward and back a couple times, engaged the head, then immediately threw an error code. Any idea where I can get an SSP release for the S/36 5362 and how to write it to 8" floppies? Also where I might find a keyboard for the terminal and what can be done if anything to gauge the health of the hard drives? -Alan H.
Re: New to System/36
You will need the keyboard. Those terminals usually don't come up without it. Good news tho if the keyboard has been nicked, the protocol is compatible-ish with PS/2. I have successfully used $generic_ps2_keyboard with the right plug for it. Make sure to not hit the Windows key (or any other 'new' keys) - you'll lock up the terminal's firmware. You will also have to configure the terminal to use address 0 - Twinax busses have an address range of 0-7 and you need bus 0, address 0 for the console. Generally speaking, bringing up the system is similar to bringing up early AS/400s. /y On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 at 19:59, alan--- via cctalk wrote: > Just picked up an IBM System/36 5362 last night. It is in pretty good > physical condition with just a few minor scratches - other than needing > a thorough cleaning. It has 2 60 MB hard disks in the unit. Not sure > of the RAM capacity. Missing the the mode hard key. > > A few of us tried to get it running tonight. It came with a 3179 > twin-ax terminal but no keyboard. We connected the terminal via a > twinax cable direct from port 0 to the terminated Y adapter on the > terminal. Never got any output on the terminal at any time other than > the fairly empty status line. The S/36 front panel console light did > illuminate after we connected the terminal. The key was locked to > Normal but we were able to by-pass it with a jumper to get it into > Service mode. The media that came with it only had disk 1 of an SSP > release and we could not get that to IPL from floppy (mode 3 / panel > 1000). It stepped the head motor forward and back a couple times, > engaged the head, then immediately threw an error code. > > Any idea where I can get an SSP release for the S/36 5362 and how to > write it to 8" floppies? Also where I might find a keyboard for the > terminal and what can be done if anything to gauge the health of the > hard drives? > > -Alan H. >
Re: New to System/36
On 11/10/18 6:59 PM, alan--- via cctalk wrote: > The BASIC, FORTRAN, and COBOL languages were not installed. Languages are difficult to find.
Re: New to System/36
Good news. At our AHCS club meeting today, someone there just happened to have a keyboard with the correct code page and connector for my terminal. Yvan was correct in that the terminal doesn't operate at all without one. With the keyboard, everything came alive. The machine IPL'd just fine into a login screen after about 8 minutes. We were able to get into the disk editor, recover the username and password, and log-on successfully. So I apparently do have a working set of 1x 30 MB and 1x 60 MB hard disks. Password and data security was not active and there were only 3 total users. The CMAS accounting software menu or library - default for the other users - was not found. I'm assuming it was maybe deleted when the machine was taken out of service. But the system is functional. The BASIC, FORTRAN, and COBOL languages were not installed. But we did try writing a Hello World program in RPG II but it failed to compile correctly! It was fun trying. The default line level editor was about the worst thing I've ever used in 40 years of pounding on a keyboard - and I've seen a lot of bad in that time. I still would like to get a set (or two) of later release SSP disks as as well as archive and reimage some of the application software I have. I'll email Mcguire. But if anyone else has experience in imaging IBM mid-range floppies, I'd love to get some more advice. Thanks, Alan H. On 2018-11-10 15:00, alan--- via cctalk wrote: Thanks Yvan. I was hopeful when the terminal output the standard status line at the bottom with an 08 code in the lower right above the line and a blue K in the bottom center below the line - which I assumed was a keyboard not present error. I could not find the address switch anywhere on that terminal to configure it. The previous owner said it was the system console so I assumed it was already set for address 0 'somehow'. I also assumed the hard drives were bad or the load on them was corrupt when never saw any terminal output after nearly 30 minutes. First thing I should see is the numerical countdown after 4-5 minutes, correct? I have only disk 1 of SSP 3.0. When I try to start the machine using function 3/1000, it throws SRC 210F which the code-manual describes as not being able to find valid sector marks. Not sure if it's a problem with the media or the drive at this point. The machine came from a young man who didn't know much about it. He said it was his fathers and it worked last time it was in-use. But that was at least 15 years ago. It has been siting indoors for that time. So there is hope. The bearings in the hard drives sound pretty bad. But during what I assume is the normal IPL (with no terminal output), the drives are spun-down and then back up again in sequence about 1-2 minutes in. I can also hear the heads engage and vigorously move about a minute past that for a while - which I assume is the IPL trying to load the CPU kernels - but I obviously never get to the IPL sign-on. -Alan H. On 2018-11-10 14:44, Yvan Janssens wrote: You will need the keyboard. Those terminals usually don't come up without it. Good news tho if the keyboard has been nicked, the protocol is compatible-ish with PS/2. I have successfully used $generic_ps2_keyboard with the right plug for it. Make sure to not hit the Windows key (or any other 'new' keys) - you'll lock up the terminal's firmware. You will also have to configure the terminal to use address 0 - Twinax busses have an address range of 0-7 and you need bus 0, address 0 for the console. Generally speaking, bringing up the system is similar to bringing up early AS/400s. /y On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 at 19:59, alan--- via cctalk wrote: Just picked up an IBM System/36 5362 last night. It is in pretty good physical condition with just a few minor scratches - other than needing a thorough cleaning. It has 2 60 MB hard disks in the unit. Not sure of the RAM capacity. Missing the the mode hard key. A few of us tried to get it running tonight. It came with a 3179 twin-ax terminal but no keyboard. We connected the terminal via a twinax cable direct from port 0 to the terminated Y adapter on the terminal. Never got any output on the terminal at any time other than the fairly empty status line. The S/36 front panel console light did illuminate after we connected the terminal. The key was locked to Normal but we were able to by-pass it with a jumper to get it into Service mode. The media that came with it only had disk 1 of an SSP release and we could not get that to IPL from floppy (mode 3 / panel 1000). It stepped the head motor forward and back a couple times, engaged the head, then immediately threw an error code. Any idea where I can get an SSP release for the S/36 5362 and how to write it to 8" floppies? Also where I might find a keyboard for the terminal and what can be done if anything to gauge the health of the hard drives? -Alan H.
Re: New to System/36
Thanks Yvan. I was hopeful when the terminal output the standard status line at the bottom with an 08 code in the lower right above the line and a blue K in the bottom center below the line - which I assumed was a keyboard not present error. I could not find the address switch anywhere on that terminal to configure it. The previous owner said it was the system console so I assumed it was already set for address 0 'somehow'. I also assumed the hard drives were bad or the load on them was corrupt when never saw any terminal output after nearly 30 minutes. First thing I should see is the numerical countdown after 4-5 minutes, correct? I have only disk 1 of SSP 3.0. When I try to start the machine using function 3/1000, it throws SRC 210F which the code-manual describes as not being able to find valid sector marks. Not sure if it's a problem with the media or the drive at this point. The machine came from a young man who didn't know much about it. He said it was his fathers and it worked last time it was in-use. But that was at least 15 years ago. It has been siting indoors for that time. So there is hope. The bearings in the hard drives sound pretty bad. But during what I assume is the normal IPL (with no terminal output), the drives are spun-down and then back up again in sequence about 1-2 minutes in. I can also hear the heads engage and vigorously move about a minute past that for a while - which I assume is the IPL trying to load the CPU kernels - but I obviously never get to the IPL sign-on. -Alan H. On 2018-11-10 14:44, Yvan Janssens wrote: > You will need the keyboard. Those terminals usually don't come up without it. > Good news tho if the keyboard has been nicked, the protocol is compatible-ish > with PS/2. I have successfully used $generic_ps2_keyboard with the right plug > for it. Make sure to not hit the Windows key (or any other 'new' keys) - > you'll lock up the terminal's firmware. > > You will also have to configure the terminal to use address 0 - Twinax busses > have an address range of 0-7 and you need bus 0, address 0 for the console. > > Generally speaking, bringing up the system is similar to bringing up early > AS/400s. > > /y > > On Sat, 10 Nov 2018 at 19:59, alan--- via cctalk > wrote: > >> Just picked up an IBM System/36 5362 last night. It is in pretty good >> physical condition with just a few minor scratches - other than needing >> a thorough cleaning. It has 2 60 MB hard disks in the unit. Not sure >> of the RAM capacity. Missing the the mode hard key. >> >> A few of us tried to get it running tonight. It came with a 3179 >> twin-ax terminal but no keyboard. We connected the terminal via a >> twinax cable direct from port 0 to the terminated Y adapter on the >> terminal. Never got any output on the terminal at any time other than >> the fairly empty status line. The S/36 front panel console light did >> illuminate after we connected the terminal. The key was locked to >> Normal but we were able to by-pass it with a jumper to get it into >> Service mode. The media that came with it only had disk 1 of an SSP >> release and we could not get that to IPL from floppy (mode 3 / panel >> 1000). It stepped the head motor forward and back a couple times, >> engaged the head, then immediately threw an error code. >> >> Any idea where I can get an SSP release for the S/36 5362 and how to >> write it to 8" floppies? Also where I might find a keyboard for the >> terminal and what can be done if anything to gauge the health of the >> hard drives? >> >> -Alan H.
New to System/36
Just picked up an IBM System/36 5362 last night. It is in pretty good physical condition with just a few minor scratches - other than needing a thorough cleaning. It has 2 60 MB hard disks in the unit. Not sure of the RAM capacity. Missing the the mode hard key. A few of us tried to get it running tonight. It came with a 3179 twin-ax terminal but no keyboard. We connected the terminal via a twinax cable direct from port 0 to the terminated Y adapter on the terminal. Never got any output on the terminal at any time other than the fairly empty status line. The S/36 front panel console light did illuminate after we connected the terminal. The key was locked to Normal but we were able to by-pass it with a jumper to get it into Service mode. The media that came with it only had disk 1 of an SSP release and we could not get that to IPL from floppy (mode 3 / panel 1000). It stepped the head motor forward and back a couple times, engaged the head, then immediately threw an error code. Any idea where I can get an SSP release for the S/36 5362 and how to write it to 8" floppies? Also where I might find a keyboard for the terminal and what can be done if anything to gauge the health of the hard drives? -Alan H.
