OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
I saw this half-dollar sized plastic fob on the desk and asked what it 
was for.


On Fri, 28 Jun 2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:

If I may just say -- only about 5% of humanity know how big that is. I
don't. I don't even know if a half a dollar is a note or a coin, and
that's without getting extra-pedantic and pointing out that about a
dozen countries call their currencies the "dollar".
:-(


Oh, FAR FAR FAR less than 5%.
Most residents of USA haven't seen a half dollar or "50 cent piece" in 
decades.  They are as much of an oddity as the $2 bill.  They are 
nominally still in circulation, most recent being JFK, but I think that 
they stopped making them in 2002, and there are federal vaults full of 
uncirculated pre-2002 coins.  Most recent has a portrait of Kennedy. 
They are 30.61mm diameter, which is the largest relatively recent 
USA coin (not counting the long discontinued 38.1mm SILVER DOLLAR)


You could have just ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD BE logarithmically between a 
quarter[dollar] (24.26mm) and a dollar coin (26.5mm).  That would be 
completely WRONG, unless you use the 38.1mm ancient "silver dollar", but 
hardly a problem.


"50 pence coin" would be CLOSE ENOUGH.
Actually, for THIS purpose, "large coin" is as accurate as you need. 
Just as I am not at all familiar with British currency, that hasn't 
dampened my appreciation of British TV, such as Doctor Who and a variety 
of Brit-coms.



"Silver dollar" used to be a large coin. (38.1mm)  It was the standard for 
casinos.  When it was discontinued (1935), the casinos started to mint 
their own chips/tokens as a replacement.  There was a brief attempt to 
revive the silver dollar in 1971 with the "Eisenhower Dollar".

It is quite rare that you will encounter one of the "large dollars".

The Susan B Anthony dollar (1979-1981)
http://www.smalldollars.com/
was never widely accepted, mostly because it was MUCH MUCH too close to a 
quarter in size.  (26.5mm V 24.26mm)  Different edge milling is NOT 
ENOUGH.  It COULD have been widely accepted, if the gubmint were to have 
given a tax incentive to have video games that took a quarter to provide 
five games for a "Carter Quarter"; and the "quantity sale" would have 
been so profitable that the tax incentive would only have to have been 
short term.

It is quite rare that you will encounter one.

It was later replaced with the Sacajewa dollar.  Same problem.
It is quite rare that you will encounter one.

Then there was a commemorative series (gold colored) of presidents of USA. 
Change of COLOR is NOT ENOUGH.

It is quite rare that you will encounter one.

And, I understand that the gubmint is planning an "American innovation" 
commemorative series.  We are far too arrogant to learn from our mistakes.

It will be quite rare that you will encounter one.


But, the states of USA commemorative quarters were so popular that they 
followed that with national parks commemorative quarters.
The quarter is the largest USA coin that you are likely to encounter 
in circulation.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com


Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk



On Jun 28, 2019, at 09:57, Fred Cisin via cctalk  wrote:

> It is quite rare that you will encounter one.
> 
> It was later replaced with the Sacajewa dollar.  Same problem.
> It is quite rare that you will encounter one.
> 
> Then there was a commemorative series (gold colored) of presidents of USA. 
> Change of COLOR is NOT ENOUGH.
> It is quite rare that you will encounter one.

It depends on where you are in the country, I guess. Around here (Seattle area) 
lots of vending machines give out dollar coins when returning change. But, with 
more vending machines having payment card readers, there is less opportunity to 
get dollar coins from them.

One big problem with dollar coins is cash trays need to be redesigned for them. 
Maybe if the US got rid of the penny (like Canada has) there would be somewhere 
to put dollar coins in a register and they would be used more often.

alan




Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Nemo Nusquam via cctalk

On 06/28/19 13:18, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote (in part):
One big problem with dollar coins is cash trays need to be redesigned 
for them. Maybe if the US got rid of the penny (like Canada has) there 
would be somewhere to put dollar coins in a register and they would be 
used more often. 


Canada also replaced the $1- and $2-bill with coins (26.5mm and 28mm, 
resp.).


N.

alan






Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Norman Jaffe via cctalk
'Is that a toonie in your pocket, or are you just glad to see me?' 


From: "cctalk"  
To: "Alan Perry" , "cctalk" , 
"Fred Cisin"  
Sent: Friday, June 28, 2019 10:59:36 AM 
Subject: Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an 
IBM 5100 using OCR 

On 06/28/19 13:18, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote (in part): 
> One big problem with dollar coins is cash trays need to be redesigned 
> for them. Maybe if the US got rid of the penny (like Canada has) there 
> would be somewhere to put dollar coins in a register and they would be 
> used more often. 

Canada also replaced the $1- and $2-bill with coins (26.5mm and 28mm, 
resp.). 

N. 
> alan 
> 
> 


Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk



> On Jun 28, 2019, at 10:59, Nemo Nusquam  wrote:
> 
> On 06/28/19 13:18, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote (in part):
>> One big problem with dollar coins is cash trays need to be redesigned for 
>> them. Maybe if the US got rid of the penny (like Canada has) there would be 
>> somewhere to put dollar coins in a register and they would be used more 
>> often. 
> 
> Canada also replaced the $1- and $2-bill with coins (26.5mm and 28mm, resp.).

Oh, I know. I was questioned by the RCMP for spending a $2 bill that was in my 
leftover Canadian cash from a previous trip years before.

alan

> 
> N.
>> alan
>> 
>> 
> 



Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/28/19 9:57 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>>> I saw this half-dollar sized plastic fob on the desk and asked what
>>> it was for.

The big failure of the Susan B. Anthony coin was that it was about the
same size (slightly different shape) as a quarter-dollar coin, causing
people to mistake them as such on occasion.

It was *extremely* unpopular.

FWIW, I just checked my "loose change" container that sits atop my
bedroom dresser.  There were two Kennedy half-dollars--one from 1968 and
the other from 1983.  I suspect that a great many are still in
circulation.

--Chuck




Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread ben via cctalk

On 6/28/2019 11:59 AM, Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote:

On 06/28/19 13:18, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote (in part):
One big problem with dollar coins is cash trays need to be redesigned 
for them. Maybe if the US got rid of the penny (like Canada has) there 
would be somewhere to put dollar coins in a register and they would be 
used more often. 


Canada also replaced the $1- and $2-bill with coins (26.5mm and 28mm, 
resp.).




I like $1 bills better than coins here in CANADA. The lack of pennies is
real pain, as 3 cents rounds up to 5 cents for cash. but credit/bank 
card is still in cents.

Will trade new $1 coins for old dirty $1 US bills. :)





Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 6/28/19 12:18 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

> 
> FWIW, I just checked my "loose change" container that sits atop my
> bedroom dresser.  There were two Kennedy half-dollars--one from 1968 and
> the other from 1983.  I suspect that a great many are still in
> circulation.

For those who have never seen a Kennedy half-dollar, it's a coin that,
according to my pocket tape rule is about 1 1/8 inch or 29 mm in
diameter, featuring a profile of JFK on one side and the Great Seal of
the US on the reverse.

--Chuck





Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Warner Losh via cctalk
On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 1:40 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 6/28/19 12:18 PM, Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>
> >
> > FWIW, I just checked my "loose change" container that sits atop my
> > bedroom dresser.  There were two Kennedy half-dollars--one from 1968 and
> > the other from 1983.  I suspect that a great many are still in
> > circulation.
>
> For those who have never seen a Kennedy half-dollar, it's a coin that,
> according to my pocket tape rule is about 1 1/8 inch or 29 mm in
> diameter, featuring a profile of JFK on one side and the Great Seal of
> the US on the reverse.
>

Yea, I'm just the right age to have seen them in circulation and have it as
a unit of measure for "just bigger than an inch". Sorry for the crazy
measurement...

Warner


Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Steven M Jones via cctalk

On 06/28/2019 11:11, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:



Canada also replaced the $1- and $2-bill with coins (26.5mm and 28mm, resp.).


Oh, I know. I was questioned by the RCMP for spending a $2 bill that was in my 
leftover Canadian cash from a previous trip years before.


Two weeks ago I was in London, and had brought my pound notes/coins from 
a visit a few years earlier. When trying to buy lunch, the cashier 
refused my £10 note since new £5 and £10 notes had been issued over a 
year before. I was advised I could change it at a bank...


So the next day I stopped at a Metro Bank outlet on my way to our local 
office, but was told they'd only change notes for account holders -- 
which I can guarantee you I will now never be. But I was told I could go 
to the Bank of England and they'd change it. The BoE was probably only 
20 minutes away by Tube, but I wasn't trying to turn this exchange into 
a side-quest. :^/


I still have the £10 note. In theory I might be able to exchange it by 
snail mail, but haven't looked into it yet...


--S.



Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread E. Groenenberg via cctalk




On Fri, June 28, 2019 18:57, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
>>> I saw this half-dollar sized plastic fob on the desk and asked what it
>>> was for.
>
> On Fri, 28 Jun 2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:
>> If I may just say -- only about 5% of humanity know how big that is. I
>> don't. I don't even know if a half a dollar is a note or a coin, and
>> that's without getting extra-pedantic and pointing out that about a
>> dozen countries call their currencies the "dollar".
>> :-(
>
> Oh, FAR FAR FAR less than 5%.
> Most residents of USA haven't seen a half dollar or "50 cent piece" in
> decades.  They are as much of an oddity as the $2 bill.  They are
> nominally still in circulation, most recent being JFK, but I think that
> they stopped making them in 2002, and there are federal vaults full of
> uncirculated pre-2002 coins.  Most recent has a portrait of Kennedy.
> They are 30.61mm diameter, which is the largest relatively recent
> USA coin (not counting the long discontinued 38.1mm SILVER DOLLAR)
>
snip snip snip

> --
> Grumpy Ol' Fred   ci...@xenosoft.com
>

How odd & funny!

Being a Dutchman, I do have a few half dollars, 2 $2 bills and 2
Susan B. Antony 1 dollar coins. Oh, and a silver dollar which is
pretty large.

Where I got those? Well, Las Vegas for the half dollar coins (slot
machines), change given back (the $2 bills), and a cable car ticket
vending machine in SF (the $1 coins).
Can't remember where I got the silver dollar from tough.

Still have them because I just liked them.

Ed
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Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Nemo Nusquam via cctalk

On 06/28/19 16:54, Steven M Jones via cctalk wrote (in part):

On 06/28/2019 11:11, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
Canada also replaced the $1- and $2-bill with coins (26.5mm and 
28mm, resp.).
Oh, I know. I was questioned by the RCMP for spending a $2 bill that 
was in my leftover Canadian cash from a previous trip years before.
Two weeks ago I was in London, and had brought my pound notes/coins 
from a visit a few years earlier. When trying to buy lunch, the 
cashier refused my £10 note since new £5 and £10 notes had been issued 
over a year before. I was advised I could change it at a bank...


Then there were those huge 10-franc coins in France before the Euro, 
large enough to have writing engraved on the edge.  (I still have one or 
two somewhere)


N.


Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk




On 6/28/19 1:54 PM, Steven M Jones via cctalk wrote:

On 06/28/2019 11:11, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:


Canada also replaced the $1- and $2-bill with coins (26.5mm and 
28mm, resp.).


Oh, I know. I was questioned by the RCMP for spending a $2 bill that 
was in my leftover Canadian cash from a previous trip years before.


Two weeks ago I was in London, and had brought my pound notes/coins 
from a visit a few years earlier. When trying to buy lunch, the 
cashier refused my £10 note since new £5 and £10 notes had been issued 
over a year before. I was advised I could change it at a bank...


So the next day I stopped at a Metro Bank outlet on my way to our 
local office, but was told they'd only change notes for account 
holders -- which I can guarantee you I will now never be. But I was 
told I could go to the Bank of England and they'd change it. The BoE 
was probably only 20 minutes away by Tube, but I wasn't trying to turn 
this exchange into a side-quest. :^/


I still have the £10 note. In theory I might be able to exchange it by 
snail mail, but haven't looked into it yet...
If I had realized that the Canadian $2 bill been withdrawn, I never 
would have spent it and would have instead added it to my collection of 
withdrawn currency.




Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Paul Anderson via cctalk
If the note is in good condition, I'll buy it from you. I've been
collecting US coins on and off for years, and started on GB coinage when I
lived over there. Now I collect about everything, including currency, AND
WILL TRADE COMPUTER ITEMS FOR COINS AND CURRENCY!

Paul

On Fri, Jun 28, 2019 at 3:55 PM Steven M Jones via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 06/28/2019 11:11, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
> >
> >> Canada also replaced the $1- and $2-bill with coins (26.5mm and 28mm,
> resp.).
> >
> > Oh, I know. I was questioned by the RCMP for spending a $2 bill that was
> in my leftover Canadian cash from a previous trip years before.
>
> Two weeks ago I was in London, and had brought my pound notes/coins from
> a visit a few years earlier. When trying to buy lunch, the cashier
> refused my £10 note since new £5 and £10 notes had been issued over a
> year before. I was advised I could change it at a bank...
>
> So the next day I stopped at a Metro Bank outlet on my way to our local
> office, but was told they'd only change notes for account holders --
> which I can guarantee you I will now never be. But I was told I could go
> to the Bank of England and they'd change it. The BoE was probably only
> 20 minutes away by Tube, but I wasn't trying to turn this exchange into
> a side-quest. :^/
>
> I still have the £10 note. In theory I might be able to exchange it by
> snail mail, but haven't looked into it yet...
>
> --S.
>
>


Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk



On 2019-06-28 7:50 p.m., Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote:

On 06/28/19 16:54, Steven M Jones via cctalk wrote (in part):

On 06/28/2019 11:11, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
Canada also replaced the $1- and $2-bill with coins (26.5mm and 
28mm, resp.).
Oh, I know. I was questioned by the RCMP for spending a $2 bill that 
was in my leftover Canadian cash from a previous trip years before.
Two weeks ago I was in London, and had brought my pound notes/coins 
from a visit a few years earlier. When trying to buy lunch, the 
cashier refused my £10 note since new £5 and £10 notes had been 
issued over a year before. I was advised I could change it at a bank...


Then there were those huge 10-franc coins in France before the Euro, 
large enough to have writing engraved on the edge.  (I still have one 
or two somewhere)


N.


The Canadian 2 dollar coin has writing engraved on the edge.

The largest coins I have encounter was when I was in Mexico in the early 
90s.  I think the smallest denomination at  the time was 500 pesos it 
was about the size of 2or 3 quarters stacked up and worth nothing.


Paul.



Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Cameron Kaiser via cctalk
> If the note is in good condition, I'll buy it from you. I've been
> collecting US coins on and off for years, and started on GB coinage when I
> lived over there. Now I collect about everything, including currency, AND
> WILL TRADE COMPUTER ITEMS FOR COINS AND CURRENCY!

Oddly, I, too, will trade computer items for coins and currency. I like the
green kind with presidents. ;)

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Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-28 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk

On Fri, 28 Jun 2019, Cameron Kaiser via cctalk wrote:

Oddly, I, too, will trade computer items for coins and currency. I like the
green kind with presidents. ;)


Those are nice, but I'd rather have the ones with a picture of Ben 
Franklin, who was not a president.




Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-29 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 18:57, Fred Cisin via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> Oh, FAR FAR FAR less than 5%.

*Chuckle*

> Most residents of USA haven't seen a half dollar or "50 cent piece" in
> decades.  They are as much of an oddity as the $2 bill.  They are
> nominally still in circulation, most recent being JFK, but I think that
> they stopped making them in 2002, and there are federal vaults full of
> uncirculated pre-2002 coins.  Most recent has a portrait of Kennedy.
> They are 30.61mm diameter, which is the largest relatively recent
> USA coin (not counting the long discontinued 38.1mm SILVER DOLLAR)

Oh!

Well, I thought I'd never seen one in my 3 visits to the USA.

> You could have just ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD BE logarithmically between a
> quarter[dollar] (24.26mm) and a dollar coin (26.5mm).  That would be
> completely WRONG, unless you use the 38.1mm ancient "silver dollar", but
> hardly a problem.

Oh heavens no. Coinage almost never makes that kind of sense. Nor banknotes.

When I was a child I was shown an old British £5 note. As in, from my
parents' childhood. Not kept as a souvenir but lost somewhere as it
was a very significant amount of money.

It was _vast_ to my child's eyes. It looked approximately the size of
a pillowcase or something. It looked like linen, not money. More like
a joke teatowel printed with a spare, fancy currency-like design I'd
never seen.

It was scored with deep lines as you had to fold them into eighths or
something to put them into your wallet.

Even as a kid this briefly excited me with the notion that pre-WW2
banknotes scaled for area by value, and I had visions of buying
furniture or something with £20 notes the size of bedsheets, or £50
notes that needed to be unrolled outdoors like a carpet for
inspection...

Of course it wasn't *really...* Sadly...

> "50 pence coin" would be CLOSE ENOUGH.

Aha!

> Actually, for THIS purpose, "large coin" is as accurate as you need.
> Just as I am not at all familiar with British currency, that hasn't
> dampened my appreciation of British TV, such as Doctor Who and a variety
> of Brit-coms.

:-D

> "Silver dollar" used to be a large coin. (38.1mm)  It was the standard for
> casinos.  When it was discontinued (1935), the casinos started to mint
> their own chips/tokens as a replacement.  There was a brief attempt to
> revive the silver dollar in 1971 with the "Eisenhower Dollar".
> It is quite rare that you will encounter one of the "large dollars".

This I had never heard of. Thanks.

> The Susan B Anthony dollar (1979-1981)
> http://www.smalldollars.com/
> was never widely accepted, mostly because it was MUCH MUCH too close to a
> quarter in size.  (26.5mm V 24.26mm)  Different edge milling is NOT
> ENOUGH.  It COULD have been widely accepted, if the gubmint were to have
> given a tax incentive to have video games that took a quarter to provide
> five games for a "Carter Quarter"; and the "quantity sale" would have
> been so profitable that the tax incentive would only have to have been
> short term.
> It is quite rare that you will encounter one.
>
> It was later replaced with the Sacajewa dollar.  Same problem.
> It is quite rare that you will encounter one.
>
> Then there was a commemorative series (gold colored) of presidents of USA.
> Change of COLOR is NOT ENOUGH.
> It is quite rare that you will encounter one.

Czech coinage does something unique in my experience.

The _small_ denominations are silver. The larger ones are copper/brass/whatever.

This is the reverse of I think every other country I've ever visited.

> And, I understand that the gubmint is planning an "American innovation"
> commemorative series.  We are far too arrogant to learn from our mistakes.
> It will be quite rare that you will encounter one.

:-(

> But, the states of USA commemorative quarters were so popular that they
> followed that with national parks commemorative quarters.
> The quarter is the largest USA coin that you are likely to encounter
> in circulation.

It's the biggest I've seen, which is in part why a half-dollar threw me.

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Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-29 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 22:50, Warner Losh via cctalk
 wrote:

> Yea, I'm just the right age to have seen them in circulation and have it as
> a unit of measure for "just bigger than an inch". Sorry for the crazy
> measurement...

It's fine really. It's provoked an interesting if offtopic conversation.

I was thrown because I'd never even heard of one before, I think.

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Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-29 Thread Liam Proven via cctalk
On Fri, 28 Jun 2019 at 22:55, Steven M Jones via cctalk
 wrote:
>
> Two weeks ago I was in London, and had brought my pound notes/coins from
> a visit a few years earlier. When trying to buy lunch, the cashier
> refused my £10 note since new £5 and £10 notes had been issued over a
> year before. I was advised I could change it at a bank...

Yep. I had this at Easter last year.

The first time I took my Czech girlfriend to visit England.

The airport bus refused my "tenner".

I have been away long enough, they've changed the money. This shook me
as well as annoying me.


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Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-29 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk

"Silver dollar" used to be a large coin. (38.1mm)  It was the standard for
casinos.  When it was discontinued (1935), the casinos started to mint
their own chips/tokens as a replacement.  There was a brief attempt to
revive the silver dollar in 1971 with the "Eisenhower Dollar".
It is quite rare that you will encounter one of the "large dollars".


On Sat, 29 Jun 2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:

This I had never heard of. Thanks.


Go to Las Vegas, and find one of the few casinos that still has coin clot 
machines (Circus-Circus? El Cortez?) (where's the excitement in scanning a 
credit card, and winning a piece of paper to take to the cashier's cage?), 
and buy a dollar coin.  It is the casino's imitation of a silver dollar. 
Put it into a slot machine, and you will never see it again.  Unless the 
machine malfunctions and spits out one or more into a bowl that is 
optimized for making loud noise.


Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-06-29 Thread David C. Jenner via cctalk

Washington State Ferries still use 50 cent pieces and 2 dollar bills a lot.

After years of receiving them as change, I finally asked why?  The 
reason is they reduce the number of hand movements by one half.  If 
you're sitting in a kiosk all day dolling out change, it can reduce 
repetitive wrist/elbow ailments.


On 6/28/19 9:57 AM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
I saw this half-dollar sized plastic fob on the desk and asked what 
it was for.


On Fri, 28 Jun 2019, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:

If I may just say -- only about 5% of humanity know how big that is. I
don't. I don't even know if a half a dollar is a note or a coin, and
that's without getting extra-pedantic and pointing out that about a
dozen countries call their currencies the "dollar".
:-(


Oh, FAR FAR FAR less than 5%.
Most residents of USA haven't seen a half dollar or "50 cent piece" in 
decades.  They are as much of an oddity as the $2 bill.  They are 
nominally still in circulation, most recent being JFK, but I think that 
they stopped making them in 2002, and there are federal vaults full of 
uncirculated pre-2002 coins.  Most recent has a portrait of Kennedy. 
They are 30.61mm diameter, which is the largest relatively recent USA 
coin (not counting the long discontinued 38.1mm SILVER DOLLAR)


You could have just ASSUMED THAT IT WOULD BE logarithmically between a 
quarter[dollar] (24.26mm) and a dollar coin (26.5mm).  That would be 
completely WRONG, unless you use the 38.1mm ancient "silver dollar", but 
hardly a problem.


"50 pence coin" would be CLOSE ENOUGH.
Actually, for THIS purpose, "large coin" is as accurate as you need. 
Just as I am not at all familiar with British currency, that hasn't 
dampened my appreciation of British TV, such as Doctor Who and a variety 
of Brit-coms.



"Silver dollar" used to be a large coin. (38.1mm)  It was the standard 
for casinos.  When it was discontinued (1935), the casinos started to 
mint their own chips/tokens as a replacement.  There was a brief attempt 
to revive the silver dollar in 1971 with the "Eisenhower Dollar".

It is quite rare that you will encounter one of the "large dollars".

The Susan B Anthony dollar (1979-1981)
http://www.smalldollars.com/
was never widely accepted, mostly because it was MUCH MUCH too close to 
a quarter in size.  (26.5mm V 24.26mm)  Different edge milling is NOT 
ENOUGH.  It COULD have been widely accepted, if the gubmint were to have 
given a tax incentive to have video games that took a quarter to provide 
five games for a "Carter Quarter"; and the "quantity sale" would have 
been so profitable that the tax incentive would only have to have been 
short term.

It is quite rare that you will encounter one.

It was later replaced with the Sacajewa dollar.  Same problem.
It is quite rare that you will encounter one.

Then there was a commemorative series (gold colored) of presidents of 
USA. Change of COLOR is NOT ENOUGH.

It is quite rare that you will encounter one.

And, I understand that the gubmint is planning an "American innovation" 
commemorative series.  We are far too arrogant to learn from our mistakes.

It will be quite rare that you will encounter one.


But, the states of USA commemorative quarters were so popular that they 
followed that with national parks commemorative quarters.
The quarter is the largest USA coin that you are likely to encounter in 
circulation.


--
Grumpy Ol' Fred ci...@xenosoft.com



Re: OT: "half-dollar"/"50 cent piece" Was: Recovering the ROM of an IBM 5100 using OCR

2019-07-01 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk




On 7/1/19 10:01 AM, Liam Proven via cctalk wrote:

On Mon, 1 Jul 2019 at 17:46, Alan Perry via cctalk
 wrote:


I sold a $3500 car once for cash to a guy who sold his goods at a booth
at fairs and shows. He received lots and lots of $20 bills in payment,
so that is what he paid me with. I kept the cash instead of depositing
it in the bank and going to an ATM to get cash out.

I hear that. I also bought a motorbike this way once. The dealers gave
me a discount "for cash". I was naïve and thought that meant actual
specie and turned up with £2000 in notes. The poor salesman nearly had
an unfortunate little personal accident and was fearful his boss would
give him grief for leaving so much in the company safe. He had merely
meant "not for credit" and had expected a banker's draft or the like.
I had another car that I sold for $24000 where the buyer paid in cash. 
The largest denomination in circulation here is the $100 bill (note), so 
that was a stack of cash. That went into the bank (after taking some 
creative photos with the money). There are small bank branches in 
grocery stores here and I deposited the money at one of those kinds of 
branches. It was more cash than they were used to dealing with and they 
didn't want to take it.


alan