Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-03 Thread Mike Stein via cctalk


- Original Message - 
From: "Chuck Guzis via cctalk" 
To: "Paul Berger via cctalk" 
Sent: Friday, January 03, 2020 11:41 AM
Subject: Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie


> On 1/3/20 5:22 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
>  
>> 
>> Rural delivery is done to mail boxes along the roads, which means the
>> people have to travel from their house to said road to get their mail. 
>> We lived on a farm for part of the time I was growing up and for us that
>> was 3/4 of a mile, and that was not uncommon in the area, for some it
>> was even further. Quite different from walking a block, maybe, to a
>> community box.
> 
> That's no different from where I live (US), though my mailbox is only
> about 250 ft. from my house. Packages are delivered to the front door.
> 
> Not a big deal.
> 
> --Chuck
>
-
Canada Post has a little-publicised service called "FlexDelivery", very useful 
for foiling 'Porch Pirates' who follow the trucks and steal those packages left 
at your front door.

Regardless of whether you have your mail delivered to your door or a community 
mailbox you can register for a special free 'virtual' post box address where 
they will email you when a *parcel* arrives and hold it for two weeks for you 
to pick up.

m


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-03 Thread Guy Sotomayor via cctalk
On Fri, 2020-01-03 at 09:22 -0400, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
> On 2020-01-03 2:51 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:
>   On 2020-01-02 9:58 p.m., Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote:
>   >Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years
> ago.
> I assume that rural delivery still goes house-to-house.
> --Chuck   
> Rural delivery is done to mail boxes along the roads, which means the
> people have to travel from their house to said road to get their
> mail.  We lived on a farm for part of the time I was growing up and
> for us that was 3/4 of a mile, and that was not uncommon in the area,
> for some it was even further.  Quite different from walking a block,
> maybe, to a community box.
> 
> 
> 
Yea, our bank of mailboxes is 2.5 miles from our house.  We got intoheated 
arguments with the Post Office because we didn't go down and emptyour box every 
day.  We finally got a P.O Box at a different (more convenient)Post Office.  
Now we have to deal with folks who don't understand that ourmailing address and 
physical address are different.  :-/
It also infuriates me that *every* other shipper (UPS, FedEx) can deliverright 
to our door but USPS can't be bothered.
-- 
TTFN - Guy


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-03 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/3/20 5:22 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:
    
> 
> Rural delivery is done to mail boxes along the roads, which means the
> people have to travel from their house to said road to get their mail. 
> We lived on a farm for part of the time I was growing up and for us that
> was 3/4 of a mile, and that was not uncommon in the area, for some it
> was even further.  Quite different from walking a block, maybe, to a
> community box.

That's no different from where I live (US), though my mailbox is only
about 250 ft. from my house. Packages are delivered to the front door.

Not a big deal.

--Chuck



Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-03 Thread Chris Zach via cctalk
Well, it sounds like Amazon is trying to fix this with there "lockers" 
everywhere. Expect prime shipments to only be to lockers soon, with the 
rest to follow.


(gazing into my crystel ball...)

On 1/3/2020 8:22 AM, Paul Berger via cctalk wrote:


On 2020-01-03 2:51 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

  On 2020-01-02 9:58 p.m., Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote:

  >Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago.

I assume that rural delivery still goes house-to-house.

--Chuck



Rural delivery is done to mail boxes along the roads, which means the 
people have to travel from their house to said road to get their mail. 
We lived on a farm for part of the time I was growing up and for us that 
was 3/4 of a mile, and that was not uncommon in the area, for some it 
was even further.  Quite different from walking a block, maybe, to a 
community box.


Paul.



Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-03 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk



On 2020-01-03 2:51 a.m., Chuck Guzis via cctalk wrote:

  On 2020-01-02 9:58 p.m., Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote:

  >Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago.

I assume that rural delivery still goes house-to-house.

--Chuck



Rural delivery is done to mail boxes along the roads, which means the 
people have to travel from their house to said road to get their mail.  
We lived on a farm for part of the time I was growing up and for us that 
was 3/4 of a mile, and that was not uncommon in the area, for some it 
was even further.  Quite different from walking a block, maybe, to a 
community box.


Paul.



Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk


 On 2020-01-02 9:58 p.m., Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote:

 >Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago.

I assume that rural delivery still goes house-to-house.

--Chuck


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-02 Thread Paul Berger via cctalk



On 2020-01-02 9:58 p.m., Nemo Nusquam via cctalk wrote:

On 01/02/20 17:22, Ali wrote:


>Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago.


How does that work?
Community mailboxes that serve a neighbourhood.  You need to trek to 
one to pick up your mail. 
(https://www.canadapost.ca/cpc/en/personal/receiving/manage-mail/community-mailbox.page)


N.

A good part of the city where I live still has door to door delivery 
from Canada Post, but on the other hand the community where I grew up 
never did.


Paul.



Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-02 Thread Nemo Nusquam via cctalk

On 01/02/20 17:22, Ali wrote:


>Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago.


How does that work?
Community mailboxes that serve a neighbourhood.  You need to trek to one 
to pick up your mail. 
(https://www.canadapost.ca/cpc/en/personal/receiving/manage-mail/community-mailbox.page)


N.



Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-02 Thread Ali via cctalk

>Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual >houses years ago.How does 
>that work?-Ali

Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-02 Thread Nemo Nusquam via cctalk

On 01/01/20 11:07, Toby Thain via cctalk wrote (in part):

On 2019-12-31 5:52 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote (in part):

On an interesting note, I read an article recently, that popped up in my 
financial news.  Delivery services have reached the breaking point in the 
cities, due to the amount of deliveries, and the lack of parking.

Huh. I wonder how postal mail ever worked.

Well, Canada Post stopped delivering to individual houses years ago.

In you live in the GTA, you still have Sayal.

N.


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/1/20 9:41 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:
> On 1/1/2020 7:51 PM, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote:

> But I want 600V hookup wire. Not every thing is less than 50 volts.
> Solder with lead... Quad Electrostaic speakers ... New vinyl LPS ...

I think you have to know where to look:

https://www.remingtonindustries.com/hook-up-wire/

--Chuck





Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread ben via cctalk

On 1/1/2020 7:51 PM, Nigel Johnson via cctalk wrote:
And for those who own old vibrator sets, the Royal Signals Amateur Radio 
Club in the UK makes batches of solid state plug-in vibrators.


I just love the smell of the anti-fungal spray and the hum of warm 
valves on those old radios!


There will always be ways and means to find parts for old equipment - 
and the internet makes it easier to find them. No, you cannot walk into 
a store and buy them, but that is is another sign of the times.   I just 
needed some rolls of hookup wire - instead of putting the snowshoes on 
and traipsing through the snowdrifts, I just clicked on an Amazon button 
and let their drivers worry about getting it to me!


But I want 600V hookup wire. Not every thing is less than 50 volts.
Solder with lead... Quad Electrostaic speakers ... New vinyl LPS ...


cheers,

Nigel



I suspect the big thing with retro projects, is that they are easy to 
construct.

A radio needs  wire, a diode , and more wire for the headpones.
A pi project has just pre-made PCB's and a solderless breadboad.
A 8 bit computer, some IC's and a chinese PCB.



Ben.




Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread Nigel Johnson via cctalk
And for those who own old vibrator sets, the Royal Signals Amateur Radio 
Club in the UK makes batches of solid state plug-in vibrators.


I just love the smell of the anti-fungal spray and the hum of warm 
valves on those old radios!


There will always be ways and means to find parts for old equipment - 
and the internet makes it easier to find them. No, you cannot walk into 
a store and buy them, but that is is another sign of the times.   I just 
needed some rolls of hookup wire - instead of putting the snowshoes on 
and traipsing through the snowdrifts, I just clicked on an Amazon button 
and let their drivers worry about getting it to me!


cheers,

Nigel



On 01/01/2020 21:45, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:

I don't weep and moan about something from the past vanishes because of
lack of interest,

Is the list not all about interest in obsolete computer technology,
and getting these weird old machines going again?


any more than I weep about the unavailability of RTL
flatpacks or variocouplers or UV201s.

Variocouplers and UV-201s? Bring them on. The market for those items
still exists, and is quite decent. The old timers still know how the
surplus market works.


  How much of a run do you imagine
that 5V TTL logic will have?  It's pretty much incompatible with tiny
cell geometries.

Um...again...this list? 7400 logic is still in demand, to a smallish
extent, with hobbyists. Like people trying to get PDP-11s and stuff
going again.

But it really does not matter. I could have a pallet of currentish
RPis, and, well, I would end up dying with a pallet of RPis.

--
Will


 


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Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk
> I don't weep and moan about something from the past vanishes because of
> lack of interest,

Is the list not all about interest in obsolete computer technology,
and getting these weird old machines going again?

> any more than I weep about the unavailability of RTL
> flatpacks or variocouplers or UV201s.

Variocouplers and UV-201s? Bring them on. The market for those items
still exists, and is quite decent. The old timers still know how the
surplus market works.

>  How much of a run do you imagine
> that 5V TTL logic will have?  It's pretty much incompatible with tiny
> cell geometries.

Um...again...this list? 7400 logic is still in demand, to a smallish
extent, with hobbyists. Like people trying to get PDP-11s and stuff
going again.

But it really does not matter. I could have a pallet of currentish
RPis, and, well, I would end up dying with a pallet of RPis.

--
Will


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk



> On Jan 1, 2020, at 09:23, Chuck Guzis via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> I could see the writing on the wall when the local independent
> electronics parts supplier (Norvac) closed in the 90s.  That left
> mail-order or Radio Shack, but the smaller stores who had very limited
> inventories.   I still have my portable all-band radio that I bought
> around that time.  It cost, IIRC, somewhere around $200.  I listened to
> the BBC World Service a lot during that time.  I remember first hearing
> about 9/11 on the WS.
> 
> Now, of course, who listens to shortwave broadcast radio?  The Internet
> has killed off a lot of things, broadcast radio and TV among them.

There are a lot of short wave services shutting down, but there is still a lot 
out there. With a 75-foot long piece of speaker wire run up a tree behind my 
house in the Seattle area, I can listen to stations in New Zealand and central 
Africa. Being able to listen stations that far away over the air with such a 
rudimentary setup gets some people interested in short wave.

In a similar vein, supposedly cell phones are killing ham radio. Ham radio 
stores (who customers were buyers of electronics parts) have shut down in most 
places. But there are more license holders than ever and there is a bunch of 
public interest in it (for emergency preparedness and such).

alan





Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 1/1/20 10:36 AM, William Donzelli wrote:

> And then you weep and moan when another goes under...
> 
> I am no longer marketing modern(ish) electronic components for retail
> - there is no money there. All that stuff - 1000s of ICs and
> capacitors and connectors are going out for metal recovery. Yes, it
> hits home.

I don't weep and moan about something from the past vanishes because of
lack of interest, any more than I weep about the unavailability of RTL
flatpacks or variocouplers or UV201s.  How much of a run do you imagine
that 5V TTL logic will have?  It's pretty much incompatible with tiny
cell geometries.

The inexorable march of human progress; you do what you can to tread
water, but eventually it overtakes you and the old paradigms don't work
any longer.

It's probably for the better; we old fossils won't be around much longer
anyway.   I suspect that my late father would understand the Internet
any more than my grandfather would have understood electronics or his
father, internal combustion engines.

--Chuck



Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread Jon Elson via cctalk

On 01/01/2020 04:11 PM, ben via cctalk wrote:

On 1/1/2020 11:36 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:

I am no longer marketing modern(ish) electronic 
components for retail

- there is no money there. All that stuff - 1000s of ICs and
capacitors and connectors are going out for metal 
recovery. Yes, it

hits home.

--
Will

Let us not forget, places like Digikey (sp) tend to have 
only the latest
surface mount stuff, not handy to find thru the hole 
parts, or not so common part, like 120 ns one vers 200 ns 
one. But on the other hand
Digikey has true overnight shipping, order before say 5 pm 
and get it the next day.




Digi-Key still has plenty of through-hole parts, although 
less than the 2 million+ items they once stocked.
Since I have a P&P machine, I, too, have moved over to using 
as much SMT as possible, but still use
a lot of through-hole connectors and power transistors.  
Their search engine is great, and this has pushed

other distributors to upgrade their search capability.

Jon


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread ben via cctalk

On 1/1/2020 11:36 AM, William Donzelli via cctalk wrote:


I am no longer marketing modern(ish) electronic components for retail
- there is no money there. All that stuff - 1000s of ICs and
capacitors and connectors are going out for metal recovery. Yes, it
hits home.

--
Will


Let us not forget, places like Digikey (sp) tend to have only the latest
surface mount stuff, not handy to find thru the hole parts, or not so 
common part, like 120 ns one vers 200 ns one. But on the other hand
Digikey has true overnight shipping, order before say 5 pm and get it 
the next day.





Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread William Donzelli via cctalk
> You do what you have to using the best available resources.   Sadly,
> local manufacturers and suppliers are no longer options.

And pretty soon, independent surplus dealers will also no longer be an
option. Most of them have lots of modern and vintage goodies - the
kind of stuff this thread is all about - and will work with buyers if
only a few pieces are needed. Most will do custom orders and search
for oddball parts. Most will do internet/mail order with reasonable
shipping money. They want your business. All you need to do is ask.

But, the independent surplus dealers are giving up in legion, simply
because you (and I mean you as in nearly everyone on this list)
stopped shopping with them. Too inconvenient, apparently. At this
point, I do not think it even crosses anyone's mind to try the
independent market at all.

And then you weep and moan when another goes under...

I am no longer marketing modern(ish) electronic components for retail
- there is no money there. All that stuff - 1000s of ICs and
capacitors and connectors are going out for metal recovery. Yes, it
hits home.

--
Will


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
I could see the writing on the wall when the local independent
electronics parts supplier (Norvac) closed in the 90s.  That left
mail-order or Radio Shack, but the smaller stores who had very limited
inventories.   I still have my portable all-band radio that I bought
around that time.  It cost, IIRC, somewhere around $200.  I listened to
the BBC World Service a lot during that time.  I remember first hearing
about 9/11 on the WS.

Now, of course, who listens to shortwave broadcast radio?  The Internet
has killed off a lot of things, broadcast radio and TV among them.
Local electronics part suppliers seem to just be collateral damage.

You do what you have to using the best available resources.   Sadly,
local manufacturers and suppliers are no longer options.

--Chuck


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2020-01-01 Thread Toby Thain via cctalk
On 2019-12-31 5:52 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk  
>> wrote:
>>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 14:25, Chuck Guzis via cctalk  
>>> wrote:
>>> On 12/31/19 2:15 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:


>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 13:32, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
>
> I hate having to order 50 capacitors from China every time I need one
>

 I ordered two from Mouser this week.
>>>
>>> Dunno--after all, you're simply moving your purchasing closer to the
>>> point of production when you order from China.  So that makes sense to
>>> cut out the middleman.
>>
>> Shipping just two capacitors from Texas to Seattle seems silly enough. 
>> Shipping them from China seems really silly to me.
>>
>> Distribution (middlemen) is how a lot of the people earn a living.
> 
> Unfortunately the lack of actual electronics parts places in town mean that 
> shopping online is the only option.  We used to have multiple options in the 
> area, they slowly disappeared, including Rat Shack.  Fry’s is the only option 
> that I’m aware of left.
> 
> On an interesting note, I read an article recently, that popped up in my 
> financial news.  Delivery services have reached the breaking point in the 
> cities, due to the amount of deliveries, and the lack of parking.

Huh. I wonder how postal mail ever worked.

--T

> 
> Zane
> 
> 



Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie (was: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes)

2020-01-01 Thread Aaron Taylor via cctalk
On Tue, Dec 31, 2019 at 02:43:59PM -0800, Ali via cctalk wrote:
> > 
> > I ordered two from Mouser this week.
> > 
> > alan
> 
> And paid in much in S&H (if not more) to buy the two from Mouser then it 
> would have cost to get 50 from China... ;)

FWIW, Digikey ships small items like capacitors for free if you pay by check
and live in the US or Canada.  Scroll down to Section 6 of their Terms and
Conditions and read the asterisk.

https://www.digikey.com/en/terms-and-conditions

It's been years since I've used that feature but as a student I remember the
process being pretty painless.

Aaron


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie (was: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes)

2020-01-01 Thread Boris Gimbarzevsky via cctalk

At 14:15 31-12-19, you wrote:



> On Dec 31, 2019, at 13:32, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
>
> I hate having to order 50 capacitors from 
China every time I need one

>

I ordered two from Mouser this week.

alan


One of the things I miss most is no longer having 
any local electronic suppliers.  Larger cities 
have more, but all of the places piled high with 
old electronics in Seattle in 1980's were no 
longer there when last visited Seattle around 
2007 or so.  Vancouver has one electronics store 
which, given Vancouver traffic, was at least a 1 
hour drive each way.  Seems that no-one is 
interesting in restoring old systems or building 
them anymore.  The old surplus electronic stores 
in Canada seemed to fade away in 1970's, but 
Western Surplus in Edmonton was an excellent 
place to find military surplus electronics in 1960's.


Hate online ordering as don't get a chance to 
actually look at what one is getting and there's 
a minimum of a few days to a week delay before 
one gets the item.  Living in middle of BC means 
a week is closer to how long it takes.  As far as 
China goes, have waited months for electronics to 
come from China.  Really cheap, but even cheaper 
if one pulls things like 16x32 multicolor LED 
displays out of sale kids toys; a girls 
"programmable display purse" cost less on sale at 
ToysRus than buying a multicolor LED matrix new 
from China (and before factoring in shipping and 
duties) and after disassembly, one got a very 
well manufactured multicolor LED matrix as well 
as very a very shoddy, likely ARM CPU based, 
board which connected to the LED matrix.


Find that online ordering results in my having an 
excess of microprocessor development systems 
which I still haven't used, of which the most use 
in future will be Propeller proto boards as 
that's my favorite CPU after PDP-11.  Learned 
early that don't have a few glasses of wine 
before starting to order electronics online ($1500 AdaFruit order was result).


Now I just try to stock up on things that are 
likely to be in short supply and that I don't 
want to run out of.  Current system of 
immediately getting a part when one needs it very 
fragile and depends on a complex transportation 
system which can easily fall apart in a SHTF 
situation.  Also, donate old electronics to 
people who will resuse them (such as out local 
Makerspace which may represent a future form of 
distributed manufacturing).  Not having local 
stocks of electronic parts available for purchase 
very annoying and only solution I've found for 
now is to look at what parts I'm likely to need 
and order 50 of them or whatever number I get a 
decent price break.  Electrolytic capacitors have 
a finite lifetime and would prefer to buy them 
new but will just have to hope they age more slowly when not in use.





Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie (was: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes)

2019-12-31 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk




On 12/31/19 3:03 PM, Ali via cctalk wrote:

And what would I do with 50 when I need 2?


Save them for the next project?


My garage is full of stuff saved for the next project. At some point one 
runs out of space. Or recollection that one bought 48 extra capacitors 
years ago.





I paid $8 shipping. I’d pay close to that in gas to drive to the local
Fry’s.



Your local Fry's must be far or you got a serious gas guzzler there... My point 
is that when there was a RadioShack on every corner you could get a part easy 
and with minimum fuss (and only $0.30 in gas).


20 miles away at $3.50/gallon and 23 city mpg gets one roughly close to $8.

A RadioShack selling capacitors on every corner made more sense when 
electronics devices were made from more components that could be 
replaced individually using inexpensive equipment. It is more of a 
specialty product now.


alan


RE: Ordering parts onesie twosie (was: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes)

2019-12-31 Thread Ali via cctalk
> And what would I do with 50 when I need 2?

Save them for the next project?

> I paid $8 shipping. I’d pay close to that in gas to drive to the local
> Fry’s.


Your local Fry's must be far or you got a serious gas guzzler there... My point 
is that when there was a RadioShack on every corner you could get a part easy 
and with minimum fuss (and only $0.30 in gas).



RE: Ordering parts onesie twosie (was: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes)

2019-12-31 Thread Ali via cctalk
> Does Fry's have any capacitors?
> 
> Or do we need to time travel back 40 years?


No idea Fred, but if they don't, they should put some on the shelves. With all 
the competition gone I would think a store catering to such needs locally would 
do well in the right areas. 

Until of course Amazon starts stocking electronic parts, cables, etc. in their 
"fresh" stores.

One thing people never discuss is the environmental cost of all the shipping we 
are doing. All those boxes, cars, gas, etc. aren't really free...



Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie (was: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes)

2019-12-31 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk




On 12/31/19 2:53 PM, Fred Cisin via cctalk wrote:
And paid in much in S&H (if not more) to buy the two from Mouser then 
it would have cost to get 50 from China... ;)

On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:

And what would I do with 50 when I need 2?
I paid $8 shipping. I’d pay close to that in gas to drive to the local 
Fry’s.


Does Fry's have any capacitors?


I would bet there is a more of a chance that they have something like 
that that sells relatively slowly.



Or do we need to time travel back 40 years?


Even say 5 years, I'd say so. It always surprised me how much of that 
stuff that they continued to stock. But I don't know whether they would 
have had the 33 uF 25V tantalum ones that I need for the Motor Driver 
board on the Wangtek 5099EN24 QIC tape drive that I powered up for its 
first time in a dozen years last weekend.


In the Seattle area, I would actually look for parts like that locally 
at Vetco. But I live on the other side of Puget Sound from Seattle and 
that adds $20 a trip for me to drive there.


alan


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie (was: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes)

2019-12-31 Thread Fred Cisin via cctalk
And paid in much in S&H (if not more) to buy the two from Mouser then 
it would have cost to get 50 from China... ;)

On Tue, 31 Dec 2019, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:

And what would I do with 50 when I need 2?
I paid $8 shipping. I’d pay close to that in gas to drive to the local Fry’s.


Does Fry's have any capacitors?

Or do we need to time travel back 40 years?




Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2019-12-31 Thread Zane Healy via cctalk



> On Dec 31, 2019, at 2:42 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk  
> wrote:
>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 14:25, Chuck Guzis via cctalk  
>> wrote:
>> On 12/31/19 2:15 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
> On Dec 31, 2019, at 13:32, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
 
 I hate having to order 50 capacitors from China every time I need one
 
>>> 
>>> I ordered two from Mouser this week.
>> 
>> Dunno--after all, you're simply moving your purchasing closer to the
>> point of production when you order from China.  So that makes sense to
>> cut out the middleman.
> 
> Shipping just two capacitors from Texas to Seattle seems silly enough. 
> Shipping them from China seems really silly to me.
> 
> Distribution (middlemen) is how a lot of the people earn a living.

Unfortunately the lack of actual electronics parts places in town mean that 
shopping online is the only option.  We used to have multiple options in the 
area, they slowly disappeared, including Rat Shack.  Fry’s is the only option 
that I’m aware of left.

On an interesting note, I read an article recently, that popped up in my 
financial news.  Delivery services have reached the breaking point in the 
cities, due to the amount of deliveries, and the lack of parking.

Zane




Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2019-12-31 Thread jim stephens via cctalk




On 12/31/2019 2:42 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:

Shipping just two capacitors from Texas to Seattle seems silly enough. Shipping 
them from China seems really silly to me.
I usually pay zero for such shipping from China.  Sometimes 12 bucks 
priority mail for domestic.  A bubble envelope from China takes 6 weeks, 
but they seldom charge for shipping.  Varieties of reasons for that 
won't go into them here.

thanks
Jim


Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie (was: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes)

2019-12-31 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk



> On Dec 31, 2019, at 14:44, Ali  wrote:
> 
> 
>> 
>> 
>> I ordered two from Mouser this week.
>> 
>> alan
> 
> And paid in much in S&H (if not more) to buy the two from Mouser then it 
> would have cost to get 50 from China... ;)

And what would I do with 50 when I need 2?

I paid $8 shipping. I’d pay close to that in gas to drive to the local Fry’s.

alan




RE: Ordering parts onesie twosie (was: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes)

2019-12-31 Thread Ali via cctalk
> 
> I ordered two from Mouser this week.
> 
> alan

And paid in much in S&H (if not more) to buy the two from Mouser then it would 
have cost to get 50 from China... ;)

Honestly, if this is your livelihood and it has to be here fast Mouser (or 
digikeys or any of the other guys) works. Or if you are doing a big order so 
the cost of the items vs. shipping balances out that’s fine too. But when I 
need two caps for $0.20 and have to pay $7.95 for S&H to repair a hobby item I 
rather wait for it to come from China and just get a bunch of extra. 

I would, however, gladly drive out to a local store and pay $3-4 to pick up the 
same two caps NOW (and peruse for some nonessentials since I am already there 
;)). Just me I guess...



Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2019-12-31 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk



> On Dec 31, 2019, at 14:25, Chuck Guzis via cctalk  
> wrote:
> 
> On 12/31/19 2:15 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
>> 
>> 
 On Dec 31, 2019, at 13:32, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
>>> 
>>> I hate having to order 50 capacitors from China every time I need one
>>> 
>> 
>> I ordered two from Mouser this week.
> 
> Dunno--after all, you're simply moving your purchasing closer to the
> point of production when you order from China.  So that makes sense to
> cut out the middleman.

Shipping just two capacitors from Texas to Seattle seems silly enough. Shipping 
them from China seems really silly to me.

Distribution (middlemen) is how a lot of the people earn a living.

alan




Re: Ordering parts onesie twosie

2019-12-31 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 12/31/19 2:15 PM, Alan Perry via cctalk wrote:
> 
> 
>> On Dec 31, 2019, at 13:32, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
>>
>> I hate having to order 50 capacitors from China every time I need one
>>
> 
> I ordered two from Mouser this week.

Dunno--after all, you're simply moving your purchasing closer to the
point of production when you order from China.  So that makes sense to
cut out the middleman.

--Chuck


Ordering parts onesie twosie (was: One of Bay Area's last Fry's Electronics stores closes)

2019-12-31 Thread Alan Perry via cctalk



> On Dec 31, 2019, at 13:32, Ali via cctalk  wrote:
> 
> I hate having to order 50 capacitors from China every time I need one
> 

I ordered two from Mouser this week.

alan