Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
Dave, The UK Museum responded to my email inquiry, and went through the effort of scanning their document and sending it to me. I'll forward it to David and Al for completeness. Marc From: Dave Wade Date: Friday, November 3, 2017 at 10:37 AM Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on three days notice Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > CuriousMarc via cctalk > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know > them? > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > Set-Ge > neration/ > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > Marc > >
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
On 11/9/17 6:29 AM, Christian Corti via cctalk wrote: > @Al: you may push it to bitsavers done
RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
And FYI... bitsavers is mirrored multiple places, so if it is at bitsavers, it's already got multiple sources.
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I’ll put it on www.hpmuseum.net as well so we have at least 2 sources...thanks for doing this! David Collins Sent from my iPad > On 10 Nov 2017, at 1:29 am, Christian Corti via cctalk > wrote: > > The manual has been scanned and is on our FTP server: > ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-90001_2640SeriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf > > Enjoy :-) > > @Al: you may push it to bitsavers > > Christian
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Of course I looked at this in a browser and the ftp server does not like the re-connects so whats the timer set to? Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Ed via > cctalk > Sent: 09 November 2017 15:41 > To: c...@informatik.uni-stuttgart.de; cctalk@classiccmp.org > Subject: Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > Many Thanks for this. > A useful addition to our HP docs here. > > Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) > > > In a message dated 11/9/2017 7:29:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > The manual has been scanned and is on our FTP server: > ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245- > 90001_2640S > eriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf > > Enjoy :-) > > @Al: you may push it to bitsavers > > Christian
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
Many Thanks for this. A useful addition to our HP docs here. Ed# _www.smecc.org_ (http://www.smecc.org) In a message dated 11/9/2017 7:29:40 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: The manual has been scanned and is on our FTP server: ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-90001_2640S eriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf Enjoy :-) @Al: you may push it to bitsavers Christian
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On Thu, 9 Nov 2017, Mattis Lind wrote: Very interesting! I have a 2640 which I recently refurbished the screen on and it runs happily and then a 2645 that still needs treatment for the screen rot. Is the binaries for pong and space invaders downloadable somewhere? I searched the usual places, but haven't found anything. It would be interesting to test this binary download mode. Sure, the files are on our FTP server: ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2644 and .../hp2648 Christian
RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
The manual has been scanned and is on our FTP server: ftp://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/hp/hp2648/13245-90001_2640SeriesCharacterSetGeneration_Oct1975.pdf Enjoy :-) @Al: you may push it to bitsavers Christian
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2017-11-09 10:55 GMT+01:00 Christian Corti via cctalk : > On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote: > >> Awesome! The microcode listings would be fantastic too, as I also have a >> 2749 (which you are supposed to be able to program in assembly)! Let us >> know >> > > The firmware is already on bitsavers, IIRC. But you can program every 264x > terminal in assembly. There are some games like Pong, Space Invaders etc. > for these terminals, both for the i8008 based 2640/2644 and the i8080 based > 2645/2648. These terminals all have a special control code sequence to load > a binary file (either from tape or from the serial line) into memory and > start executing. It is " & b". > A short description and sample program for the 8008 based terminals can be > found here: > http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp2644/diag.html Very interesting! I have a 2640 which I recently refurbished the screen on and it runs happily and then a 2645 that still needs treatment for the screen rot. Is the binaries for pong and space invaders downloadable somewhere? I searched the usual places, but haven't found anything. It would be interesting to test this binary download mode. > > > Christian > /Mattis
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On Wed, 8 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote: Awesome! The microcode listings would be fantastic too, as I also have a 2749 (which you are supposed to be able to program in assembly)! Let us know The firmware is already on bitsavers, IIRC. But you can program every 264x terminal in assembly. There are some games like Pong, Space Invaders etc. for these terminals, both for the i8008 based 2640/2644 and the i8080 based 2645/2648. These terminals all have a special control code sequence to load a binary file (either from tape or from the serial line) into memory and start executing. It is " & b". A short description and sample program for the 8008 based terminals can be found here: http://computermuseum.informatik.uni-stuttgart.de/dev_en/hp2644/diag.html Christian
RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
Christian, Awesome! The microcode listings would be fantastic too, as I also have a 2749 (which you are supposed to be able to program in assembly)! Let us know of the link! And may I add, price is right :-) Marc -Original Message- From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christian Corti via cctalk Sent: Wednesday, November 08, 2017 12:56 AM To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote: > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. > Is anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know them? > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > Set-Ge > neration/ > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? I not only have a copy, I have the original of the manual (along with tons of other stuff like microcode listings etc. for the 264x series). I will scan it these days and make it online - for free in contrast to the Cambridge guys :-) Christian
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> -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Christian > Corti via cctalk > Sent: 08 November 2017 08:56 > To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts > > Subject: Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote: > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. > > Is anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members > know them? > > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series- > Character- > > Set-Ge > > neration/ > > > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > I not only have a copy, I have the original of the manual (along with tons of > other stuff like microcode listings etc. for the 264x series). > I will scan it these days and make it online - for free in contrast to the > Cambridge guys :-) > > Christian With respect , you can view it in person for the price of admission. They also say that limited resources mean they have no timescale for this. In the UK being a small museum is a challenge. Many years ago "the government" said that any museum that was government supported had to be free to enter, otherwise their funding would stop. As a result, the BIG museums such as the Science Museum became free to enter and get government funding. This puts smaller museums in a very difficult situation. They don't get any funding, non is available, so realistically they have to charge for admission, which means they have problems competing for footfall. At least they have made their collection index available so you can see what they have, and you can go and see it on request. Contrast this with The National Museum of Computing (which is not nationally funded) or the Science Museum Group (which is nationally funded). Both have large numbers of objects which are not catalogued and/or not available to see. So I know that the Science Museum Group has a set of PDP8 diagnostic tapes, I have seen and photographed them, but they are not available to view, less still read... Dave
Re: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK
On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, CuriousMarc wrote: The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know them? http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character-Set-Ge neration/ Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? I not only have a copy, I have the original of the manual (along with tons of other stuff like microcode listings etc. for the 264x series). I will scan it these days and make it online - for free in contrast to the Cambridge guys :-) Christian
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Dave, Thank you so much for enquiring. Not an uncommon problem, scanning (and even just cataloging) is so resource intensive. Well, at least they cataloged it properly and made the entry available on the web, so we should be grateful for that. Is someone in the UK close enough to go view it and take pictures of the pages? Would be nice if they could consider lending it to another institution or a researcher for scanning (CHM, hpmuseum.net, come to mind). Marc From: Dave Wade [mailto:dave.g4...@gmail.com] Sent: Friday, November 03, 2017 10:38 AM To: CuriousMarc; General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts Subject: RE: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on three days notice Dave On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade" wrote: Marc, They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask. Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > CuriousMarc via cctalk > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know > them? > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > Set-Ge > neration/ > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > Marc > >
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what about the kind folks at the hp museum? . . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa Rosa? On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, couryho...@aol.com wrote: no the other hp museum! I know. I was trying to joke about their recent loss, but that one is probably TOO SOON. :-)
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Already checked, not one we have unfortunately. If one turns up we’ll be happy to put it up on the website though! David Collins HP Computer Museum Sent from my iPad > On 4 Nov 2017, at 7:17 am, Ed via cctalk wrote: > > no the other hp museum! > across the pond! > http://hpmuseum.net/ > > good people! > > > it may already be online they have done a good job scanning stuff. > > ed# > > > In a message dated 11/3/2017 12:30:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, > cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > >>> Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to >>> view on three days notice >> On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: >> >> what about the kind folks at the hp museum? > > . . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa Rosa? > > > > >
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no the other hp museum! across the pond! http://hpmuseum.net/ good people! it may already be online they have done a good job scanning stuff. ed# In a message dated 11/3/2017 12:30:36 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: > > Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to > > view on three days notice On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: > what about the kind folks at the hp museum? . . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa Rosa?
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> Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to > view on three days notice On Fri, 3 Nov 2017, Ed via cctalk wrote: what about the kind folks at the hp museum? . . . and' don't they have some sort of archive in Santa Rosa?
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what about the kind folks at the hp museum? Ed# In a message dated 11/3/2017 10:38:04 A.M. US Mountain Standard Time, cctalk@classiccmp.org writes: Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on three days notice Dave On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade" wrote: > Marc, > They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning > them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the > UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask. > Dave > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > > CuriousMarc via cctalk > > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10 > > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > > > Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is > > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know > > them? > > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > > Set-Ge > > neration/ > > > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > > > Marc > > > > > > >
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Well they say they would like to scan but no resource. Available to view on three days notice Dave On 3 Nov 2017 10:41, "Dave Wade" wrote: > Marc, > They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning > them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the > UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask. > Dave > > > -Original Message- > > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > > CuriousMarc via cctalk > > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10 > > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > > > Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is > > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know > > them? > > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > > Set-Ge > > neration/ > > > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > > > Marc > > > > > > >
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Marc, They seem to have a big collection of Manuals but no intention of scanning them, or making them available other than on personal request. I am in the UK but have never been. Let me e-mail and ask. Dave > -Original Message- > From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of > CuriousMarc via cctalk > Sent: 03 November 2017 07:10 > To: 'General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts' > > Subject: HP 2640 character set generation manual in the UK > > The link below is from the computer museum in Cambridge, UK, which > seems to have a copy of an HP 2640 terminal manual I am looking for. Is > anyone from that museum on the list? Does any of the UK members know > them? > http://www.computinghistory.org.uk/det/14373/HP-2640-Series-Character- > Set-Ge > neration/ > > Does anyone on the list have a copy of this manual? > > Marc > >