Re: PinOut of DEC F11 Chips in a Professional 350

2018-10-26 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> From: Rob Jarratt

> The chips where I believe the RESET is oscillating on pin 23 have been
> labelled E151 and E152 ... But I am not really sure if I have
> identified them and the pin correctly.

E151 is the main CPU chip:

  http://gunkies.org/wiki/F-11_chip_set

E152 is the KEF11-A floating point chip, and E150 is the KTF11-A memory
management chip.

Pin 1 of E150 is definitely in the lower left corner (in the photo); there's
an indent on the left-hand side of the chip, for the usual DIP orientation.
I'm pretty sure the other two have the same orientation.

Noel


Re: PinOut of DEC F11 Chips in a Professional 350

2018-10-26 Thread Noel Chiappa via cctalk
> I'm pretty sure the other two have the same orientation.

They do; I looked at the KDF11-A prints in the /23 print set, and then looked
at an actual /23. (I should put a hi-res picture of one on the CHWiki page;
the one that's there is pretty miserable.)

Noel


RE: PinOut of DEC F11 Chips in a Professional 350

2018-10-27 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk
Thanks Noel. According to the printset for the KDF11-A pin 23 is the RESET
signal, which would make it the 3rd pin from the right at the top right of
the CPU. The printset also showed a second chip with its RESET on pin 23 and
I have confirmed that E151 and E152 have pin 23 tied together. So I am
pretty confident that this is indeed the RESET.

I have been tracing the source of the RESET, because as I have said it is
oscillating, and it seems to go through a *lot* of logic, and I haven't
fully traced the source of the oscillation yet.

Regards

Rob

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> Subject: Re: PinOut of DEC F11 Chips in a Professional 350
> 
> > From: Rob Jarratt
> 
> > The chips where I believe the RESET is oscillating on pin 23 have
been
> > labelled E151 and E152 ... But I am not really sure if I have
> > identified them and the pin correctly.
> 
> E151 is the main CPU chip:
> 
>   http://gunkies.org/wiki/F-11_chip_set
> 
> E152 is the KEF11-A floating point chip, and E150 is the KTF11-A memory
> management chip.
> 
> Pin 1 of E150 is definitely in the lower left corner (in the photo);
there's an
> indent on the left-hand side of the chip, for the usual DIP orientation.
> I'm pretty sure the other two have the same orientation.
> 
>   Noel



Re: PinOut of DEC F11 Chips in a Professional 350

2018-10-27 Thread Patrick Finnegan via cctalk
On Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 04:06 Rob Jarratt via cctalk 
wrote:

>
> I have been tracing the source of the RESET, because as I have said it is
> oscillating, and it seems to go through a *lot* of logic, and I haven't
> fully traced the source of the oscillation yet.
>

Have you checked the PSU output? My first guess would be bad caps in the
power supply.

Pat

>


RE: PinOut of DEC F11 Chips in a Professional 350

2018-10-27 Thread Rob Jarratt via cctalk



> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Patrick
> Finnegan via cctalk
> Sent: 27 October 2018 13:48
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts
> 
> Subject: Re: PinOut of DEC F11 Chips in a Professional 350
> 
> On Sat, Oct 27, 2018, 04:06 Rob Jarratt via cctalk 
> wrote:
> 
> >
> > I have been tracing the source of the RESET, because as I have said it
> > is oscillating, and it seems to go through a *lot* of logic, and I
> > haven't fully traced the source of the oscillation yet.
> >
> 
> Have you checked the PSU output? My first guess would be bad caps in the
> power supply.
> 


I should have said that I have already checked, the ripple is about 100mv peak 
to peak, which I assume is OK. The green DC OK LED is illuminating too, so I 
think the PSU is fine.

Regards

Rob