Re: Burroughs BU4400 tape drive. What is it?

2019-04-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 4/2/19 7:23 PM, mike--- via cctalk wrote:

> The shipping guess was damn close - $97.94 (approx. NZD143.54), plus
> US$10 for the actual tapes. It actually sounds like quite a good deal,
> for brand new tapes. Thanks for the offer of the tape, if I get stuck
> I'll drop you a note.

It's $60 shipping inside the US, so $100 shipping sounds like a bargain.

However, if you'd like a full-szied 10.5" reel, these aren't that.  Look
like 600' reels, rather than the full-length 2400' ones.

--Chuck



Re: Burroughs BU4400 tape drive. What is it?

2019-04-02 Thread mike--- via cctalk

Quoting Anders Nelson via cctalk :

Here is a 10-pack of 9-track tapes for $10USD:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/BASF-9-Track-Mag-Tapes-Brand-New-Case-of-10/112152910883
Shipping to NZ will probably be $100... I bought one of these boxes and
could send you a single tape if you need it, but I imagine there's someone
with a tape they don't need closer to you.


The shipping guess was damn close - $97.94 (approx. NZD143.54), plus  
US$10 for the actual tapes. It actually sounds like quite a good deal,  
for brand new tapes. Thanks for the offer of the tape, if I get stuck  
I'll drop you a note.


Cheers,
Mike



Re: Burroughs BU4400 tape drive. What is it?

2019-04-02 Thread mike--- via cctalk

Quoting Chuck Guzis via cctalk :

If you're going to use this thing, do check the carbide (sometimes
ceramic) cleaning blade.  You want the edge to be sharp and smooth; if
it's nicked or chipped, it will end up doing more harm than good.


In this case, it's really just for show - I don't have a real 9-track  
drive, or any tapes. That was why I'd prefer an unusable tape, rather  
than destroying a good tape by passing it through a cleaner  
repeatedly. However, tapes do seem really quite cheap and easy to find.



I suspect that a carbide insert for machine tools might be cobbled up as
a replacement, if required.


I suspect the blade is actually missing. There's am empty spot that  
looks like it might have taken a cartridge at once point in the tape  
path. Maybe nothing actually goes there, but on the tape path diagram,  
it seems to show something with a narrow gap the tape passes through.  
If I wanted to make it functional, I could fairly easily make a  
cartridge that fits in the spot as above, and passes the tape across a  
blade of that sort without a great deal of pressure.


I would really like a working drive sometime, so I am actually  
considering doing this...


Cheers,
Mike



Re: Burroughs BU4400 tape drive. What is it?

2019-04-02 Thread Anders Nelson via cctalk
Hey Tony,

Here is a 10-pack of 9-track tapes for $10USD:
https://www.ebay.com/itm/BASF-9-Track-Mag-Tapes-Brand-New-Case-of-10/112152910883

Shipping to NZ will probably be $100... I bought one of these boxes and
could send you a single tape if you need it, but I imagine there's someone
with a tape they don't need closer to you.

Let me know!
--
Anders Nelson

+1 (517) 775-6129

www.erogear.com


On Tue, Apr 2, 2019 at 8:41 PM Chuck Guzis via cctalk 
wrote:

> On 4/2/19 3:04 PM, mike--- via cctalk wrote:
>
> > Looks like you're right! I'm pretty sure it's a cleaner. Everything on
> > it seems to work well, once I figured out how it was intended to work.
> > Just had fool the tape optical sensor (BOT/EOT?) with a piece of paper
> > and it started up fine. It only seems to want to go 'slow' in reverse,
> > but that may be something to do with the lack of tape. I like the tape
> > counter a lot. It shows error codes when they occur, and is a dot matrix
> > style LED display (perhaps not true dot matrix, just something nicer
> > looking than a 7-segment display).
>
> If you're going to use this thing, do check the carbide (sometimes
> ceramic) cleaning blade.  You want the edge to be sharp and smooth; if
> it's nicked or chipped, it will end up doing more harm than good.
>
> I suspect that a carbide insert for machine tools might be cobbled up as
> a replacement, if required.
>
> --Chuck
>
>


Re: Burroughs BU4400 tape drive. What is it?

2019-04-02 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
On 4/2/19 3:04 PM, mike--- via cctalk wrote:

> Looks like you're right! I'm pretty sure it's a cleaner. Everything on
> it seems to work well, once I figured out how it was intended to work.
> Just had fool the tape optical sensor (BOT/EOT?) with a piece of paper
> and it started up fine. It only seems to want to go 'slow' in reverse,
> but that may be something to do with the lack of tape. I like the tape
> counter a lot. It shows error codes when they occur, and is a dot matrix
> style LED display (perhaps not true dot matrix, just something nicer
> looking than a 7-segment display).

If you're going to use this thing, do check the carbide (sometimes
ceramic) cleaning blade.  You want the edge to be sharp and smooth; if
it's nicked or chipped, it will end up doing more harm than good.

I suspect that a carbide insert for machine tools might be cobbled up as
a replacement, if required.

--Chuck



Re: Burroughs BU4400 tape drive. What is it?

2019-04-02 Thread mike--- via cctalk

Quoting Chuck Guzis via cctalk :

Judging from the controls and lack of mechanical buffering, I'd
pronounce this to be a tape verifier, or possibly a cleaner.  The "half
cycle" and "slow" are clues.

I just bought this Burroughs BU4400 tape drive:
https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=113439


Looks like you're right! I'm pretty sure it's a cleaner. Everything on  
it seems to work well, once I figured out how it was intended to work.  
Just had fool the tape optical sensor (BOT/EOT?) with a piece of paper  
and it started up fine. It only seems to want to go 'slow' in reverse,  
but that may be something to do with the lack of tape. I like the tape  
counter a lot. It shows error codes when they occur, and is a dot  
matrix style LED display (perhaps not true dot matrix, just something  
nicer looking than a 7-segment display).


So, that's good news - to demo it fully all I need is a reel of tape,  
rather than needing to find or implement a controller as well. I'm in  
New Zealand, but I think I'd be lucky to find anything here. As a  
fallback, there is plenty on eBay, at least. If anyone has some  
damaged or otherwise unusable tape that's only suitable for  
demonstrating a cleaner, please drop me a note.


Cheers,
Mike



Re: Burroughs BU4400 tape drive. What is it?

2019-04-01 Thread Chuck Guzis via cctalk
Judging from the controls and lack of mechanical buffering, I'd
pronounce this to be a tape verifier, or possibly a cleaner.  The "half
cycle" and "slow" are clues.

FWIW,
--Chuck




On 4/1/19 9:42 PM, Mike van Bokhoven via cctalk wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> I just bought this Burroughs BU4400 tape drive:
> https://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=113439
> As the seller says, Google comes up empty. Seems strange, I would have
> expected some reference somewhere. Does anyone know anything about it?
> I'm going to pick it up this evening. It'd be superb as a display piece,
> but I'd be really keen to drive it with something and get it reading and
> writing.
> On that topic, are there any suggestions on how I could get my hands on
> a few tapes, preferably with a format this drive can read? The actual
> contents aren't important; even blanks would be OK, though not being
> able to get it reading before moving on to writing would make the
> project more difficult.
> 
> Cheers,
> Mike
>