Re: Chromatics on ebay
guess it was worth more than $5 Huh? In a message dated 7/25/2015 1:51:42 P.M. US Mountain Standard Time, a...@bitsavers.org writes: Just came across his original listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/281747887309 Disturbingly, the ICs are pulled out of their sockets On 7/25/15 8:27 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > On 7/25/15 8:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: >> >> >> On 7/24/15 1:14 PM, pdaguytom . wrote: >>> Back on TAS for just shy of a grand with free shipping. >>> >>> >> and someone bought it >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281757114979 >> >> > I've probably seen a dozen of them for sale in the 25+ years of watching > this stuff, and what I've never seen is any software for either this or the > 68000 models. > > >
Re: Chromatics on ebay
Just came across his original listing http://www.ebay.com/itm/281747887309 Disturbingly, the ICs are pulled out of their sockets On 7/25/15 8:27 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 7/25/15 8:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 7/24/15 1:14 PM, pdaguytom . wrote: Back on TAS for just shy of a grand with free shipping. and someone bought it http://www.ebay.com/itm/281757114979 I've probably seen a dozen of them for sale in the 25+ years of watching this stuff, and what I've never seen is any software for either this or the 68000 models.
Re: Chromatics on ebay (Al Kossow)
On 7/25/15 1:03 PM, John Wallace wrote: Was there any software of note for Chromatics? I don't know much about the 1599. The 7900 68K machines had a DOS. CHM has a 7900 w docs, but no software.
Re: Chromatics on ebay (Al Kossow)
>On 7/25/15 8:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: >> >> >> On 7/24/15 1:14 PM, pdaguytom . wrote: >>> Back on TAS for just shy of a grand with free shipping. >>> >>> >> and someone bought it >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281757114979 >> >> >I've probably seen a dozen of them for sale in the 25+ years of watching >this stuff, and what I've never seen is any software for either this or the >68000 models. Was there any software of note for Chromatics? My first employer had already spent a fortune on one of the Z80 ones when I started in 1979 or so. It had some flavour of BASIC in ROM. I'm not sure the floppies were working by the time I arrived. It was owned by the electronics hardware design people. The software tools people (where I was) did all the serious work on PDP11 (RSX/IAS and RT11) and eventually VMS. I left there in the mid 1980s. As far as I could tell the Chromatics had never really been used for anything more complex than a limited functionality large screen teletype emulator. Instead, low end LSI11 (including VT103) had been used for any serious work around the lab or around the factory, until PCs started to take over. I liked VT103s, but not so much the TU58s (we were one of the many sites that wrote something RSP-compatible that allowed use of centralised "remote disks" via serial lines, instead of the actual TU58s). There's a bit more software (and documentation) for the PDP11 stuff, thank you :) One thing the software people did buy in the mid 1980s which was great to watch was an Envision dot matrix tabletop colour printer/plotter, and an accompanying colour terminal (far superior to the VT24x of the same era). The printer used four separate ribbons and multiple passes over each line of text (if necessary) and spoke HPGL iirc as well as private text-mode escape sequences. The terminal was VT compatible and Tektronix 401x compatible at rather higher resolution. Nice stuff, but at maybe £3000 each they probably didn't sell many. By that stage the Chromatics had vanished into a dark dusty corner. regards John Wallace regards John Wallace
Re: Chromatics on ebay
On 7/25/15 8:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: On 7/24/15 1:14 PM, pdaguytom . wrote: Back on TAS for just shy of a grand with free shipping. and someone bought it http://www.ebay.com/itm/281757114979 I've probably seen a dozen of them for sale in the 25+ years of watching this stuff, and what I've never seen is any software for either this or the 68000 models.
Re: Chromatics on ebay
On 7/24/15 1:14 PM, pdaguytom . wrote: Back on TAS for just shy of a grand with free shipping. and someone bought it http://www.ebay.com/itm/281757114979
Re: Chromatics on ebay
Back on TAS for just shy of a grand with free shipping. On Fri, Jul 24, 2015 at 2:27 PM, Tothwolf wrote: > On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, William Donzelli wrote: > > Sounds like you are doing much better than me. >>> >> >> Power Seller Master Race. >> > > Pfft...Nintendo forever! ;P > > Just a former Power Seller here...and all I got was this lousy mug and > certificate. >
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On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, William Donzelli wrote: Sounds like you are doing much better than me. Power Seller Master Race. Pfft...Nintendo forever! ;P Just a former Power Seller here...and all I got was this lousy mug and certificate.
Re: Chromatics on ebay
tor 2015-07-23 klockan 18:08 -0400 skrev william degnan: > I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best offer, leave it > to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price > until a sale is made. That said, because you're asking for the item > to be shipped, the seller can refuse on that ground, you have a > Mexican standoff. I believe it's ok to say Mexican standoff because > that's a historic not racial reference, having to do with 19th century > Mexican history. Running a dutch auction ? Start with a very high prize and then lower it in increments. The first bidder who accepts the current valuation gets it.
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> Sounds like you are doing much better than me. Power Seller Master Race. -- Will
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On Fri, 24 Jul 2015, William Donzelli wrote: Within the last year or so, eBay removed the ability to report a "non-selling seller". The only way to report a seller for this now (so they get a "strike" on their account) is to pick up the phone and call eBay. You have to ask (demand) to speak to someone in "Trust and Safety" and you also have to be prepared to spend about an hour or so on hold. I do not know which Ebay you are calling, but the one that I call about once a month is much faster. I am never on hold for more than four minutes or so at most. If I am calling about a trust or safety issue, the hold time is generally much less. Sounds like you are doing much better than me. eBay and Paypal use an outsourced call center company called ePerformax out of Cebu City, Philippines. While I can get a first level rep on the phone right away, actually getting them to transfer the call to eBay's actual Trust and Safety group in the US can be an absolute nightmare. Apparently, ePerformax's employees don't want to transfer a caller because it results in them getting a low score for the call. This is also why they'll tell you there are no managers, and if you demand one, you get Bob, Joe, Sue, or Elvis in the cube next door. I last contacted eBay about 3 months ago when I had a seller pull a bait-and-switch when a tool I bid on sold for the opening bid amount. My wait time then was pretty consistent with my prior calls to them over the last 3 to 4 years (about a one hour call). That said, back before eBay outsourced their call center and closed the main ones in California and Utah, reaching an actual employee of eBay had been pretty easy.
Re: Chromatics on ebay
> Within the last year or so, eBay removed the ability to report a > "non-selling seller". The only way to report a seller for this now (so they > get a "strike" on their account) is to pick up the phone and call eBay. You > have to ask (demand) to speak to someone in "Trust and Safety" and you also > have to be prepared to spend about an hour or so on hold. I do not know which Ebay you are calling, but the one that I call about once a month is much faster. I am never on hold for more than four minutes or so at most. If I am calling about a trust or safety issue, the hold time is generally much less. -- Will
Re: Chromatics on ebay
+1; weak sauce from the seller ... he listed it and the auction ran to completion ... It always irks me when people renege on eBay auctions. Best, Sean On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:12 PM, Todd Goodman wrote: > That's just seller's remorse. > > It's obviously up to you, but I'd have strongly considered disputing it > with > eBay as a seller refusing to honor the auction results is every bit as > bad (or even worse) than a buyer refusing to honor the auction result. > > The value of it was determined. It's the $5 you were willing to pay and > that no one else was willing to pay more for it. > > Just my worthless $.02 > > Todd > > * Josh Dersch [150723 17:03]: > > Just FYI -- the seller and I failed to reach an agreement; I assume this > > means he'll be relisting it (hopefully with a starting bid or reserve > that > > matches his expectations). > > > > - Josh > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM, william degnan > > wrote: > > > > > I told him he might get $500 in untested condition, a lot more if it > > > works. Video, good pics, be ready with a ship quote, etc. He may > have > > > asked more than just me, but that is what I told him > > > On Jul 23, 2015 12:31 PM, "Josh Dersch" wrote: > > > > > > > It was me. Despite the listing being "local pickup only" the > description > > > > notes that the seller's willing to arrange shipping (it just won't be > > > > cheap). So I put in a lowball bid on it. Did not expect to be the > high > > > > bidder, definitely did not expect to be the only bidder. > > > > > > > > That said, immediately after the auction ended, the seller contacted > me > > > > and explained that he'd screwed up; he's new to eBay, couldn't > figure out > > > > how to set a reserve (or an opening bid amount, apparently) and just > > > > couldn't let the thing go for $5. Since I'm not completely heartless > > > (just > > > > mostly) I'm trying to work something out with him, but we'll see; he > > > seems > > > > to think it's worth a fortune -- I'm not so sure. (Rare doesn't > > > > necessarily equate to worth and all that...) > > > > > > > > If I do end up with the system, I'll dump the ROMs, etc. > > > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > > > > > > > On 7/23/15 7:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > > > > > >> did anyone here get this? > > > >> > > > >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281752359535 > > > >> > > > >> I am interested in a firmware dump, but not enough to drive to > socal to > > > >> get it. > > > >> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > > > > >
Re: Chromatics on ebay
On Thu, 23 Jul 2015, William Donzelli wrote: That's just seller's remorse. It's obviously up to you, but I'd have strongly considered disputing it with eBay as a seller refusing to honor the auction results is every bit as bad (or even worse) than a buyer refusing to honor the auction result. I agree. Report him. Basic Ebay auctions are extremely easy to do - any idiot can do it. He had six days while he could review and make sure everything was OK, and revise the listing if and error was spotted. Within the last year or so, eBay removed the ability to report a "non-selling seller". The only way to report a seller for this now (so they get a "strike" on their account) is to pick up the phone and call eBay. You have to ask (demand) to speak to someone in "Trust and Safety" and you also have to be prepared to spend about an hour or so on hold.
Re: Chromatics on ebay
> From: Josh Dersch > I spent some time debating that last night and this morning. Chalk it > up to me feeling charitable this week ... I thought I'd give the guy a > break. Well, the question is, how important is this gear to you? If you've been looking for one for a decade, that's different from if you just saw it and said 'that looks cool'. If the latter, yeah, you can be quite charitable. Which would mean, e.g. that you could agree to pass on enforcing the contract if the seller agrees to immediately re-list the item in another open auction, with a minimum reasonable reserve (I'd say $50, myself), and absolute commitment to go through with the sale, no matter what. After all, an open auction _is_ the current _real value_ for something. And they should understand that if they persist in selecting 'local pickup only', the value of the piece drops by about 75% - or more - it's cutting the size of the pool of bidders by like 95% (LA area population / total US population) by doing so. Noel
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> I'm also trying to be a nicer person (look how few arguments I've gotten in > on cctalk lately! progress!) and I thought I'd give the guy a break. But > I'm still pretty ticked off about it, so maybe I'll reconsider :). Reconsider with some shitty feedback. -- Will
Re: Chromatics on ebay
On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 2:15 PM, William Donzelli wrote: > > That's just seller's remorse. > > > > It's obviously up to you, but I'd have strongly considered disputing it > with > > eBay as a seller refusing to honor the auction results is every bit as > > bad (or even worse) than a buyer refusing to honor the auction result. > > I agree. Report him. > > Basic Ebay auctions are extremely easy to do - any idiot can do it. > > He had six days while he could review and make sure everything was OK, > and revise the listing if and error was spotted. > Yeah, I spent some time debating that last night and this morning. Chalk it up to me feeling charitable this week, but I felt like giving him the benefit of the doubt on the situation, and having been there in the past with eBay sales that don't go the way I want them to, I'm a bit empathetic (though I didn't try to back out of the sale in those cases...). I'm also trying to be a nicer person (look how few arguments I've gotten in on cctalk lately! progress!) and I thought I'd give the guy a break. But I'm still pretty ticked off about it, so maybe I'll reconsider :). - Josh > > -- > Will >
Re: Chromatics on ebay
Another thing that will affect the value here that I don't think has been pointed out yet: the seller apparently has three of these things (note his responses to bidder questions.) And another another thing: they've also been sitting outside for who knows how many years.
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obviously not in this case! On Jul 23, 2015 8:21 PM, "Ian Finder" wrote: > Just for the record, I hate the methodology below: > Are auctions no longer a valid way to determine value? > > > > I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best offer, leave it > > to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price > > until a sale is made. > > Sent from my iPhone > > > On Jul 23, 2015, at 15:08, william degnan wrote: > > > I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best offer, leave it > > to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price > > until a sale is made. > > > That said, because you're asking for the item > > to be shipped, the seller can refuse on that ground, you have a > > Mexican standoff. I believe it's ok to say Mexican standoff because > > that's a historic not racial reference, having to do with 19th century > > Mexican history. > > > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Noel Chiappa > wrote: > >>> From: Josh Dersch > >> > >>> the seller and I failed to reach an agreement > >> > >> You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't > take that > >> on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy > with, > >> they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable. > >> > >> I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the > value of > >> the item was determined by that to be $5. End of story. > >> > >>Noel > > > > > > > > -- > > Bill > > vintagecomputer.net >
Re: Chromatics on ebay
Just for the record, I hate the methodology below: Are auctions no longer a valid way to determine value? > I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best offer, leave it > to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price > until a sale is made. Sent from my iPhone > On Jul 23, 2015, at 15:08, william degnan wrote: > I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best offer, leave it > to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price > until a sale is made. > That said, because you're asking for the item > to be shipped, the seller can refuse on that ground, you have a > Mexican standoff. I believe it's ok to say Mexican standoff because > that's a historic not racial reference, having to do with 19th century > Mexican history. > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Noel Chiappa > wrote: >>> From: Josh Dersch >> >>> the seller and I failed to reach an agreement >> >> You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't take >> that >> on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy with, >> they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable. >> >> I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the value of >> the item was determined by that to be $5. End of story. >> >>Noel > > > > -- > Bill > vintagecomputer.net
Re: Chromatics on ebay
On 07/23/2015 2:15 PM, William Donzelli wrote: That's just seller's remorse. It's obviously up to you, but I'd have strongly considered disputing it with eBay as a seller refusing to honor the auction results is every bit as bad (or even worse) than a buyer refusing to honor the auction result. I agree. Report him. Basic Ebay auctions are extremely easy to do - any idiot can do it. He had six days while he could review and make sure everything was OK, and revise the listing if and error was spotted. -- Will I had a buyers remorse back in 2006 where a very rare (only one or two on the planet) vintage arcade game we were selling got something like $4000 at the close. The buyer (call him B/R) pleaded with me to cancel his bid as he said he accidentally typed the wrong amount in. I agreed to cancel the auction. The item ended up selling for around $750 to the person who was the other bidder (call him O/B) who had bid it up to around $3995. However O/B has since spent a fair bit of money at my shop and both participants are nice guys. What was interesting is the buyer (B/R) who backed out, had a garage storage unit that he had forgotten about and the owner of the garage contacted me after not hearing from B/R for many months sold me the classic games at a very good price. I ended up doing just fine as a result. My 2 cents. John :-#)#
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You can offer to take him to small claims court for the item. That option has worked well for me in the past. Once you let them know the option of a court case is real they are more than willing to deal with the contract. IT's quite clear in the ebay auction terms. On 7/23/2015 3:54 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: william degnan > > > I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best offer > > And there's the key to the situation. The seller thought they were going to > get big dineros for it, and not so much. > > Which is likely a good part of why they aren't being reasonable in the > post-sale negotiations with Josh. > > > > because you're asking for the item to be shipped, the seller can refuse > > on that ground > > Err, the listing does say: > > "I dont wanna have to mess with shipping, but if you absolutely need it > shipped we can work something out." > > So I don't think that dog will hunt. > > But, just to close that door, is there anyone in the LA area who can, in > fact, go pick this thing up, and ship it off to Josh? That would leave the > seller without a leg. > > > But the seller does only have a feedback of 4, so maybe they really are > clueless about eBay. > > But the bottom line is that the _reality_ is that honouring the contract with > Josh is _not_ going to cost the seller a lot of money - because in an _open > auction_, it went for $5. > > Noel > -- The contents of this e-mail and any attachments are intended solely for the use of the named addressee(s) and may contain confidential and/or privileged information. Any unauthorized use, copying, disclosure, or distribution of the contents of this e-mail is strictly prohibited by the sender and may be unlawful. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and delete this e-mail.
Re: Chromatics on ebay
> From: william degnan > I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best offer And there's the key to the situation. The seller thought they were going to get big dineros for it, and not so much. Which is likely a good part of why they aren't being reasonable in the post-sale negotiations with Josh. > because you're asking for the item to be shipped, the seller can refuse > on that ground Err, the listing does say: "I dont wanna have to mess with shipping, but if you absolutely need it shipped we can work something out." So I don't think that dog will hunt. But, just to close that door, is there anyone in the LA area who can, in fact, go pick this thing up, and ship it off to Josh? That would leave the seller without a leg. But the seller does only have a feedback of 4, so maybe they really are clueless about eBay. But the bottom line is that the _reality_ is that honouring the contract with Josh is _not_ going to cost the seller a lot of money - because in an _open auction_, it went for $5. Noel
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On 07/23/2015 03:27 PM, William Donzelli wrote: It is always hard to know the real story. It *is* possible the seller genuinely didn't know what they were doing. As an Ebay veteran, I can say I have heard ALL the excuses. This does sound like classic sellers remorse. I agree with this. I've seen cases where someone cleaned out a basement and turned up a really valuable musical instrument, put it up for auction, then refused to honor the hammer price. It also happens that the seller will sometimes claim that the item was stolen or damaged or even lost in shipping to get out of the deal. Often, someone will contact the seller and make a private offer. Then, suddenly, the item becomes "not available". I thought that one of the eBay rules was that a seller can cancel the auction only before a qualified bid (i.e. one that meets the reserve, if any) has been received. Didn't eBay used to (perhaps still does) say that "Your bid is a contract". Well, contracts can't be one-sided. --Chuck
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> It is always hard to know the real story. It *is* possible the seller > genuinely didn't know what they were doing. As an Ebay veteran, I can say I have heard ALL the excuses. This does sound like classic sellers remorse. If he really though it was worth serious money, he should have been more careful, and figured out AND REVIEWED his actions placing the thing on Ebay. -- Will
Re: Chromatics on ebay
different than chromatix, correct? On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Jarratt RMA wrote: > It is always hard to know the real story. It *is* possible the seller > genuinely didn't know what they were doing. I know I can be too willing to > give others the benefit of the doubt, and, equally this could be an > experienced seller pretending not to know, when his plan to avoid higher > insertion fees failed. I would be inclined to report him if he wasn't > prepared to accept an offer that was (presumably) more generous than the > final bid. > > Regards > > Rob > > On 23 July 2015 at 22:27, Noel Chiappa wrote: > >> > From: Josh Dersch >> >> > the seller and I failed to reach an agreement >> >> You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't take >> that >> on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy >> with, >> they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable. >> >> I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the value >> of >> the item was determined by that to be $5. End of story. >> >> Noel >> -- Bill vintagecomputer.net
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It is always hard to know the real story. It *is* possible the seller genuinely didn't know what they were doing. I know I can be too willing to give others the benefit of the doubt, and, equally this could be an experienced seller pretending not to know, when his plan to avoid higher insertion fees failed. I would be inclined to report him if he wasn't prepared to accept an offer that was (presumably) more generous than the final bid. Regards Rob On 23 July 2015 at 22:27, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Josh Dersch > > > the seller and I failed to reach an agreement > > You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't take > that > on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy > with, > they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable. > > I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the value > of > the item was determined by that to be $5. End of story. > > Noel >
Re: Chromatics on ebay
I told him start with buy it now for $2000 with best offer, leave it to see what kind of watchers and interest he gets then lower the price until a sale is made. That said, because you're asking for the item to be shipped, the seller can refuse on that ground, you have a Mexican standoff. I believe it's ok to say Mexican standoff because that's a historic not racial reference, having to do with 19th century Mexican history. On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 5:27 PM, Noel Chiappa wrote: > > From: Josh Dersch > > > the seller and I failed to reach an agreement > > You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't take that > on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy with, > they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable. > > I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the value of > the item was determined by that to be $5. End of story. > > Noel -- Bill vintagecomputer.net
Re: Chromatics on ebay
> From: Josh Dersch > the seller and I failed to reach an agreement You were very nice to try and work with the person; if they couldn't take that on board, and in return come to some agreement that you could be happy with, they're being some combinations of greedy and unreasonable. I have to agree with other people: an open auction was held, and the value of the item was determined by that to be $5. End of story. Noel
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> That's just seller's remorse. > > It's obviously up to you, but I'd have strongly considered disputing it with > eBay as a seller refusing to honor the auction results is every bit as > bad (or even worse) than a buyer refusing to honor the auction result. I agree. Report him. Basic Ebay auctions are extremely easy to do - any idiot can do it. He had six days while he could review and make sure everything was OK, and revise the listing if and error was spotted. -- Will
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That's just seller's remorse. It's obviously up to you, but I'd have strongly considered disputing it with eBay as a seller refusing to honor the auction results is every bit as bad (or even worse) than a buyer refusing to honor the auction result. The value of it was determined. It's the $5 you were willing to pay and that no one else was willing to pay more for it. Just my worthless $.02 Todd * Josh Dersch [150723 17:03]: > Just FYI -- the seller and I failed to reach an agreement; I assume this > means he'll be relisting it (hopefully with a starting bid or reserve that > matches his expectations). > > - Josh > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM, william degnan > wrote: > > > I told him he might get $500 in untested condition, a lot more if it > > works. Video, good pics, be ready with a ship quote, etc. He may have > > asked more than just me, but that is what I told him > > On Jul 23, 2015 12:31 PM, "Josh Dersch" wrote: > > > > > It was me. Despite the listing being "local pickup only" the description > > > notes that the seller's willing to arrange shipping (it just won't be > > > cheap). So I put in a lowball bid on it. Did not expect to be the high > > > bidder, definitely did not expect to be the only bidder. > > > > > > That said, immediately after the auction ended, the seller contacted me > > > and explained that he'd screwed up; he's new to eBay, couldn't figure out > > > how to set a reserve (or an opening bid amount, apparently) and just > > > couldn't let the thing go for $5. Since I'm not completely heartless > > (just > > > mostly) I'm trying to work something out with him, but we'll see; he > > seems > > > to think it's worth a fortune -- I'm not so sure. (Rare doesn't > > > necessarily equate to worth and all that...) > > > > > > If I do end up with the system, I'll dump the ROMs, etc. > > > > > > - Josh > > > > > > > > > On 7/23/15 7:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > > > >> did anyone here get this? > > >> > > >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281752359535 > > >> > > >> I am interested in a firmware dump, but not enough to drive to socal to > > >> get it. > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > > >
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Just FYI -- the seller and I failed to reach an agreement; I assume this means he'll be relisting it (hopefully with a starting bid or reserve that matches his expectations). - Josh On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:45 AM, william degnan wrote: > I told him he might get $500 in untested condition, a lot more if it > works. Video, good pics, be ready with a ship quote, etc. He may have > asked more than just me, but that is what I told him > On Jul 23, 2015 12:31 PM, "Josh Dersch" wrote: > > > It was me. Despite the listing being "local pickup only" the description > > notes that the seller's willing to arrange shipping (it just won't be > > cheap). So I put in a lowball bid on it. Did not expect to be the high > > bidder, definitely did not expect to be the only bidder. > > > > That said, immediately after the auction ended, the seller contacted me > > and explained that he'd screwed up; he's new to eBay, couldn't figure out > > how to set a reserve (or an opening bid amount, apparently) and just > > couldn't let the thing go for $5. Since I'm not completely heartless > (just > > mostly) I'm trying to work something out with him, but we'll see; he > seems > > to think it's worth a fortune -- I'm not so sure. (Rare doesn't > > necessarily equate to worth and all that...) > > > > If I do end up with the system, I'll dump the ROMs, etc. > > > > - Josh > > > > > > On 7/23/15 7:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > > > >> did anyone here get this? > >> > >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281752359535 > >> > >> I am interested in a firmware dump, but not enough to drive to socal to > >> get it. > >> > >> > >> > > >
Re: Chromatics on ebay
I told him he might get $500 in untested condition, a lot more if it works. Video, good pics, be ready with a ship quote, etc. He may have asked more than just me, but that is what I told him On Jul 23, 2015 12:31 PM, "Josh Dersch" wrote: > It was me. Despite the listing being "local pickup only" the description > notes that the seller's willing to arrange shipping (it just won't be > cheap). So I put in a lowball bid on it. Did not expect to be the high > bidder, definitely did not expect to be the only bidder. > > That said, immediately after the auction ended, the seller contacted me > and explained that he'd screwed up; he's new to eBay, couldn't figure out > how to set a reserve (or an opening bid amount, apparently) and just > couldn't let the thing go for $5. Since I'm not completely heartless (just > mostly) I'm trying to work something out with him, but we'll see; he seems > to think it's worth a fortune -- I'm not so sure. (Rare doesn't > necessarily equate to worth and all that...) > > If I do end up with the system, I'll dump the ROMs, etc. > > - Josh > > > On 7/23/15 7:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > >> did anyone here get this? >> >> http://www.ebay.com/itm/281752359535 >> >> I am interested in a firmware dump, but not enough to drive to socal to >> get it. >> >> >> >
Re: Chromatics on ebay
It was me. Despite the listing being "local pickup only" the description notes that the seller's willing to arrange shipping (it just won't be cheap). So I put in a lowball bid on it. Did not expect to be the high bidder, definitely did not expect to be the only bidder. That said, immediately after the auction ended, the seller contacted me and explained that he'd screwed up; he's new to eBay, couldn't figure out how to set a reserve (or an opening bid amount, apparently) and just couldn't let the thing go for $5. Since I'm not completely heartless (just mostly) I'm trying to work something out with him, but we'll see; he seems to think it's worth a fortune -- I'm not so sure. (Rare doesn't necessarily equate to worth and all that...) If I do end up with the system, I'll dump the ROMs, etc. - Josh On 7/23/15 7:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: did anyone here get this? http://www.ebay.com/itm/281752359535 I am interested in a firmware dump, but not enough to drive to socal to get it.
Re: Chromatics on ebay
Geography matters ... if you're in the right area, say, near a university with a historically high computer science impact, or large high-tech industries ... you can find a lot of equipment for free or very low cost since the density was high and you're well situated to inexpensively pick up large items ... other places, you've got to ship almost anything interesting in, and when things start getting large and heavy, the price runs up quick; it starts to cost real money to prep and move tonnage ... if there are any constants to collecting computers, this is one of them. Best, Sean On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:32 AM, william degnan wrote: > I told the person that they will get more $$ if they prepare in > advance to ship, etc. People don't care and /or are lazy sometimes. > b > > On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Bill Sudbrink > wrote: > >> I spoke with the person, told him it was historic, looked up some info > >> on the machine and when it was produced, etc. VERY surprised it sold > >> for $5. Total bargain. > > > > That's what "local pickup only" will do to an auction. > > There's a Vector MZ for 99 cents right now for the same reason. > > > > Bill S. > > > > > > > > -- > Bill > vintagecomputer.net >
Re: Chromatics on ebay
I told the person that they will get more $$ if they prepare in advance to ship, etc. People don't care and /or are lazy sometimes. b On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 11:21 AM, Bill Sudbrink wrote: >> I spoke with the person, told him it was historic, looked up some info >> on the machine and when it was produced, etc. VERY surprised it sold >> for $5. Total bargain. > > That's what "local pickup only" will do to an auction. > There's a Vector MZ for 99 cents right now for the same reason. > > Bill S. > > -- Bill vintagecomputer.net
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> I spoke with the person, told him it was historic, looked up some info > on the machine and when it was produced, etc. VERY surprised it sold > for $5. Total bargain. That's what "local pickup only" will do to an auction. There's a Vector MZ for 99 cents right now for the same reason. Bill S.
Re: Chromatics on ebay
I spoke with the person, told him it was historic, looked up some info on the machine and when it was produced, etc. VERY surprised it sold for $5. Total bargain. b On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 10:24 AM, Al Kossow wrote: > did anyone here get this? > > http://www.ebay.com/itm/281752359535 > > I am interested in a firmware dump, but not enough to drive to socal to get > it. > -- Bill vintagecomputer.net
