ebay Payments WAS RE: Flip-Chip selloff (Al Kossow)
> I remember how annoying it was when Ebay required all payments through > paypal. I preferred checks and getting all the money. I am sure as a seller you liked it. As a buyer I wasn't about to send you a check for more than a couple of bucks without assurances (and no the FB system did not provide that). Let's be honest more stuff is selling, and for higher amounts, because of the ebay changes (CC only, money back guarantee, etc.). You can still get paid in cash or check by selling locally if you really prefer that. > Why don't we just use bitcoin? Because then inflation would go through the roof. Imagine you had paid one bitcoin ten years ago for a system. That would have been $2 (11/2011 price) Now with the change in price of bitcoin that coin is worth $37,046. Are you willing to sell your system to another buyer for $2 or even a $100? After all that system just cost you $37,044. Some people will not see it that way but most people will and want their money back plus interest -Ali
Re: Flip-Chip selloff (Al Kossow)
On 2021-02-03 5:36 p.m., Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Why don't we just use bitcoin? Thanks for the belly laugh
Re: Flip-Chip selloff (Al Kossow)
I remember how annoying it was when Ebay required all payments through paypal. I preferred checks and getting all the money. With Ebay's cut plus I am sure the new payment cut will be above Paypal's it becomes less and less interesting to sell things there. But that's what happens when you have 100% of the market. Why don't we just use bitcoin? CZ On 2/3/2021 5:01 PM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote: On 2/3/21 1:57 PM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote: On 2/3/21 1:29 PM, Michael Thompson via cctech wrote: The RICM would happily accept any donated FlipChips Almost everything sold yesterday. and I won't go into how disgusted I am with eBay's new seller payment system they forced everyone into on the first of the month. What used to appear in my Paypal account instantly when a buyer paid will now take a minimum of several days to appear in my bank account and eBay takes their cut up front, rather than once a month.
Re: Flip-Chip selloff (Al Kossow)
On 2/3/21 1:57 PM, Al Kossow via cctech wrote: On 2/3/21 1:29 PM, Michael Thompson via cctech wrote: The RICM would happily accept any donated FlipChips Almost everything sold yesterday. and I won't go into how disgusted I am with eBay's new seller payment system they forced everyone into on the first of the month. What used to appear in my Paypal account instantly when a buyer paid will now take a minimum of several days to appear in my bank account and eBay takes their cut up front, rather than once a month.
Re: Flip-Chip selloff (Al Kossow)
On 2/3/21 1:29 PM, Michael Thompson via cctech wrote: The RICM would happily accept any donated FlipChips Almost everything sold yesterday.
Re: Flip-Chip selloff (Al Kossow)
> > > Date: Tue, 2 Feb 2021 09:19:08 -0800 > From: Al Kossow > Subject: Flip-Chip selloff > > I don't have any equipment that uses them any more, so I'll be ebaying off > my > A-W series flip chips over the next few days. The W's and PT08 boards are > up now > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647476832 > https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647420812 > I am still maintaining a PDP-8/I & TC01, PDP-8/L, PDP-8/S, PDP-9 & TC02, and PDP-12 for the Rhode Island Computer Museum. The RICM would happily accept any donated FlipChips, especially the go-fast B versions and anything else for the PDP-9. You can even get a charitable tax deduction for the donation. -- Michael Thompson
Re: Flip-Chip selloff (Al Kossow)
Antonio said > On 03/02/2021 22:22, John Foust via cctalk wrote: >> At 04:01 PM 2/3/2021, you wrote: >>> and I won't go into how disgusted I am with eBay's new seller payment system >>> they forced everyone into on the first of the month. >> A few months ago I sold on eBay some servers and NAS stuff for a client. >> I thought it would be easy to see the detailed financial breakdown... >> what it sold for, what came in, what was their cut, how much was shipping, >> what went to PayPal, etc. I couldn't find it for the life of me. >> > > The paypal bit is easy: look at your paypal account! The ebay part is OK > too: > >My Ebay->Summary. Account. Seller Account. All Account Activity. > > At least, in the UK, that works for me. Currently if I sell something > the buyer pays with Paypal and I then send the stuff. It can still be > reversed and I've not tried to empty my PayPal balance to see if it will > let me ... > > Shipping you need to track yourself (although if you use ebay for that > too then it might list it). In the case of the items OP's thread is pertaining to, perhaps it's a bit of a moot point for you in the UK and others on this international mailing list. They are clearly listed there (but not mentioned here AFAIK) with "Note, NO international shipping."
Re: Flip-Chip selloff (Al Kossow)
On 03/02/2021 22:22, John Foust via cctalk wrote: At 04:01 PM 2/3/2021, you wrote: and I won't go into how disgusted I am with eBay's new seller payment system they forced everyone into on the first of the month. A few months ago I sold on eBay some servers and NAS stuff for a client. I thought it would be easy to see the detailed financial breakdown... what it sold for, what came in, what was their cut, how much was shipping, what went to PayPal, etc. I couldn't find it for the life of me. The paypal bit is easy: look at your paypal account! The ebay part is OK too: My Ebay->Summary. Account. Seller Account. All Account Activity. At least, in the UK, that works for me. Currently if I sell something the buyer pays with Paypal and I then send the stuff. It can still be reversed and I've not tried to empty my PayPal balance to see if it will let me ... Shipping you need to track yourself (although if you use ebay for that too then it might list it). Antonio -- Antonio Carlini anto...@acarlini.com
Re: Flip-Chip selloff (Al Kossow)
At 04:01 PM 2/3/2021, you wrote: >and I won't go into how disgusted I am with eBay's new seller payment system >they forced everyone into on the first of the month. A few months ago I sold on eBay some servers and NAS stuff for a client. I thought it would be easy to see the detailed financial breakdown... what it sold for, what came in, what was their cut, how much was shipping, what went to PayPal, etc. I couldn't find it for the life of me. - John
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 12:19 PM Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > I don't have any equipment that uses them any more, so I'll be ebaying off my > A-W series flip chips over the next few days. The W's and PT08 boards are up > now > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647476832 > https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647420812 The PT08 board set is intriguing (I have an -8/S with no TTY interface) -ethan
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 07:10:14PM -0800, Christopher Zach wrote: > I've had 30+ years to acquire this "stuff". :-) I turned 65 last year ... mcl
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
I suspect many of us are in similar situations. I have been collecting and storing my treasures for about 35 years. I even recently moved it all into one nice climate controlled space. (It has mostly all been in climate controlled space, but now it is all in the same space with room to work on it.) At this point in my life, reviewing how much time I have been able to find in the previous years to play with my hoard, I am realizing that I have way more than I will ever be able to enjoy. Then I consider that the others like me are also coming to a similar conclusion and as a result there is likely lots of equipment looking for homes other than the scrap heap. With museums that seemed like they were funded and safe for the foreseeable future closing with uncertain ends, I worry (just as others) that we are the only ones who will be the custodians of these wondrous marvels of human genius. As those who understand and care for such marvels pass, the number of people who care also dwindle. I've come to realize that perhaps it isn't just the theory that I might one day be able to retire and enjoy keeping my mind engaged with tasks of restoring old PDP-11s to their former glory, but that the 35 years of collecting and storing might lead to a younger generation's wonder in seeing what led to the technology they have at present. Perhaps they don't care and all is for not... On 2/2/21 5:28 PM, Josh Dersch via cctalk wrote: > Since we're talkin' sell-off... on the off chance that anyone has a TC11 or > TC01/08 gathering dust (for something less than eBay prices), I, uh... > could use one. Along with many other people, I suppose. > > - Josh > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:12 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk > wrote: > >> I think it's good to hold onto that which is realistic to support, no point >> in holding hardware hostage in a rodent and moisture-vulnerable old >> garage. We don't live forever. >> b >> >> On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:57 PM Chris Zach via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> >> wrote: >> >>> What do I have... >>> >>> Decsystem/20 CPU box+supply (blt.ai.mit.edu), pdp11/05/83/24/23+/150, 2 >>> 8L's, an 8/e, 3 RL02, RM80, RX02,TK50,2 Professional 380's. And a >>> Minc-11/MiniMINC. >>> >>> Several Perqs, that HP 1000e thing, and a few dozen MFM disks. >>> >>> A pair of Sun 386i's, Nextstation, NS Turbo, Turbo Color >>> >>> Probably a lot more. >>> >>> On 2/2/2021 4:13 PM, Bob Smith wrote: I am down to 2 vaxes and an 11, along with 10 Alphas, a pro380 and two DECMante II boxes. bb On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:48 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Might be a good time: I remember my dad saying I should encase each >> one > in lucite plastic and sell them as paperweights. That was 30 years ago > but it would have preserved them well :-) > > C > (Went from 3 8/I's to 2 8/L's so progress?) > > On 2/2/2021 1:22 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: >> On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk < >>> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >>> I don't have any equipment that uses them any more, so I'll be >>> ebaying off my >>> A-W series flip chips over the next few days. The W's and PT08 >> boards >>> are up now >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647476832 >>> https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647420812 >> That makes me wonder if I shouldn’t do the same. That would be part >>> of a camera lens, which may, or may not take up less space. :-) >> Then again I’ve been saying I need to downsize my collection for the >>> better part of 20 years. >> Zane >> >> >>
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
I've had 30+ years to acquire this "stuff". :-) On 2/2/2021 4:38 PM, Mark Linimon wrote: On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 05:57:27PM -0500, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Probably a lot more. "Probably" ??? Sheesh. I thought *I* had too many projects. mcl
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
Chris said > I can pretty much support any of the Dec stuff, with all of the pdp11's > running now the next step is to get the 8/L working, then the 20. The > Perqs and other stuff will be re-homed or sold. > > But I'm not giving things to "museums". At this point between museums > blowing up, being shut down, selling "donations" on Ebay and literally > stealing stuff I have a bit of a bad taste in my mouth from so called > "museums". > > CZ Fair points... I've got about 80 or so R, W, S, A flip-chips and some 18" Negibus(?) cables perhaps I should do something about. And enough DEC workstation and DEC-compatible mice that I just weighed them in kg. Cataloging them would be a good start I guess. Also some other old flip-chip backplanes with more modules, and a 1968(?) DEC A/D converter and so on. I've traded some stuff for PDP-11-related items last year, and I would prefer to swap but I've found that notion does not sit well with some museums, to my surprise. Offers to claim as US tax write-offs isn't of any use to me here in Oz. Steve.
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
On Tue, Feb 02, 2021 at 05:57:27PM -0500, Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > Probably a lot more. "Probably" ??? Sheesh. I thought *I* had too many projects. mcl
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
I can pretty much support any of the Dec stuff, with all of the pdp11's running now the next step is to get the 8/L working, then the 20. The Perqs and other stuff will be re-homed or sold. But I'm not giving things to "museums". At this point between museums blowing up, being shut down, selling "donations" on Ebay and literally stealing stuff I have a bit of a bad taste in my mouth from so called "museums". CZ
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
Since we're talkin' sell-off... on the off chance that anyone has a TC11 or TC01/08 gathering dust (for something less than eBay prices), I, uh... could use one. Along with many other people, I suppose. - Josh On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 3:12 PM Bill Degnan via cctalk wrote: > I think it's good to hold onto that which is realistic to support, no point > in holding hardware hostage in a rodent and moisture-vulnerable old > garage. We don't live forever. > b > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:57 PM Chris Zach via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > wrote: > > > What do I have... > > > > Decsystem/20 CPU box+supply (blt.ai.mit.edu), pdp11/05/83/24/23+/150, 2 > > 8L's, an 8/e, 3 RL02, RM80, RX02,TK50,2 Professional 380's. And a > > Minc-11/MiniMINC. > > > > Several Perqs, that HP 1000e thing, and a few dozen MFM disks. > > > > A pair of Sun 386i's, Nextstation, NS Turbo, Turbo Color > > > > Probably a lot more. > > > > On 2/2/2021 4:13 PM, Bob Smith wrote: > > > I am down to 2 vaxes and an 11, along with 10 Alphas, a pro380 and two > > > DECMante II boxes. > > > bb > > > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:48 PM Chris Zach via cctalk > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> Might be a good time: I remember my dad saying I should encase each > one > > >> in lucite plastic and sell them as paperweights. That was 30 years ago > > >> but it would have preserved them well :-) > > >> > > >> C > > >> (Went from 3 8/I's to 2 8/L's so progress?) > > >> > > >> On 2/2/2021 1:22 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > >>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > I don't have any equipment that uses them any more, so I'll be > > ebaying off my > > A-W series flip chips over the next few days. The W's and PT08 > boards > > are up now > > > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647476832 > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647420812 > > >>> > > >>> That makes me wonder if I shouldn’t do the same. That would be part > > of a camera lens, which may, or may not take up less space. :-) > > >>> > > >>> Then again I’ve been saying I need to downsize my collection for the > > better part of 20 years. > > >>> > > >>> Zane > > >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > >
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I think it's good to hold onto that which is realistic to support, no point in holding hardware hostage in a rodent and moisture-vulnerable old garage. We don't live forever. b On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 5:57 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > What do I have... > > Decsystem/20 CPU box+supply (blt.ai.mit.edu), pdp11/05/83/24/23+/150, 2 > 8L's, an 8/e, 3 RL02, RM80, RX02,TK50,2 Professional 380's. And a > Minc-11/MiniMINC. > > Several Perqs, that HP 1000e thing, and a few dozen MFM disks. > > A pair of Sun 386i's, Nextstation, NS Turbo, Turbo Color > > Probably a lot more. > > On 2/2/2021 4:13 PM, Bob Smith wrote: > > I am down to 2 vaxes and an 11, along with 10 Alphas, a pro380 and two > > DECMante II boxes. > > bb > > > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:48 PM Chris Zach via cctalk > > wrote: > >> > >> Might be a good time: I remember my dad saying I should encase each one > >> in lucite plastic and sell them as paperweights. That was 30 years ago > >> but it would have preserved them well :-) > >> > >> C > >> (Went from 3 8/I's to 2 8/L's so progress?) > >> > >> On 2/2/2021 1:22 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > >>> On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > I don't have any equipment that uses them any more, so I'll be > ebaying off my > A-W series flip chips over the next few days. The W's and PT08 boards > are up now > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647476832 > https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647420812 > >>> > >>> That makes me wonder if I shouldn’t do the same. That would be part > of a camera lens, which may, or may not take up less space. :-) > >>> > >>> Then again I’ve been saying I need to downsize my collection for the > better part of 20 years. > >>> > >>> Zane > >>> > >>> > >>> >
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
What do I have... Decsystem/20 CPU box+supply (blt.ai.mit.edu), pdp11/05/83/24/23+/150, 2 8L's, an 8/e, 3 RL02, RM80, RX02,TK50,2 Professional 380's. And a Minc-11/MiniMINC. Several Perqs, that HP 1000e thing, and a few dozen MFM disks. A pair of Sun 386i's, Nextstation, NS Turbo, Turbo Color Probably a lot more. On 2/2/2021 4:13 PM, Bob Smith wrote: I am down to 2 vaxes and an 11, along with 10 Alphas, a pro380 and two DECMante II boxes. bb On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:48 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: Might be a good time: I remember my dad saying I should encase each one in lucite plastic and sell them as paperweights. That was 30 years ago but it would have preserved them well :-) C (Went from 3 8/I's to 2 8/L's so progress?) On 2/2/2021 1:22 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: I don't have any equipment that uses them any more, so I'll be ebaying off my A-W series flip chips over the next few days. The W's and PT08 boards are up now https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647476832 https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647420812 That makes me wonder if I shouldn’t do the same. That would be part of a camera lens, which may, or may not take up less space. :-) Then again I’ve been saying I need to downsize my collection for the better part of 20 years. Zane
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Oh, and 2 8/a boxes, but i did move out 15 Vaxes of various times and an 8e that someone refuse to admit I gave them. bb On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 4:13 PM Bob Smith wrote: > > I am down to 2 vaxes and an 11, along with 10 Alphas, a pro380 and two > DECMante II boxes. > bb > > On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:48 PM Chris Zach via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Might be a good time: I remember my dad saying I should encase each one > > in lucite plastic and sell them as paperweights. That was 30 years ago > > but it would have preserved them well :-) > > > > C > > (Went from 3 8/I's to 2 8/L's so progress?) > > > > On 2/2/2021 1:22 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > > On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > > > wrote: > > >> > > >> I don't have any equipment that uses them any more, so I'll be ebaying > > >> off my > > >> A-W series flip chips over the next few days. The W's and PT08 boards > > >> are up now > > >> > > >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647476832 > > >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647420812 > > > > > > That makes me wonder if I shouldn’t do the same. That would be part of a > > > camera lens, which may, or may not take up less space. :-) > > > > > > Then again I’ve been saying I need to downsize my collection for the > > > better part of 20 years. > > > > > > Zane > > > > > > > > >
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
I am down to 2 vaxes and an 11, along with 10 Alphas, a pro380 and two DECMante II boxes. bb On Tue, Feb 2, 2021 at 1:48 PM Chris Zach via cctalk wrote: > > Might be a good time: I remember my dad saying I should encase each one > in lucite plastic and sell them as paperweights. That was 30 years ago > but it would have preserved them well :-) > > C > (Went from 3 8/I's to 2 8/L's so progress?) > > On 2/2/2021 1:22 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: > > On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk > > wrote: > >> > >> I don't have any equipment that uses them any more, so I'll be ebaying off > >> my > >> A-W series flip chips over the next few days. The W's and PT08 boards are > >> up now > >> > >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647476832 > >> https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647420812 > > > > That makes me wonder if I shouldn’t do the same. That would be part of a > > camera lens, which may, or may not take up less space. :-) > > > > Then again I’ve been saying I need to downsize my collection for the better > > part of 20 years. > > > > Zane > > > > > >
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Might be a good time: I remember my dad saying I should encase each one in lucite plastic and sell them as paperweights. That was 30 years ago but it would have preserved them well :-) C (Went from 3 8/I's to 2 8/L's so progress?) On 2/2/2021 1:22 PM, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote: On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: I don't have any equipment that uses them any more, so I'll be ebaying off my A-W series flip chips over the next few days. The W's and PT08 boards are up now https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647476832 https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647420812 That makes me wonder if I shouldn’t do the same. That would be part of a camera lens, which may, or may not take up less space. :-) Then again I’ve been saying I need to downsize my collection for the better part of 20 years. Zane
Re: Flip-Chip selloff
On Feb 2, 2021, at 9:19 AM, Al Kossow via cctalk wrote: > > I don't have any equipment that uses them any more, so I'll be ebaying off my > A-W series flip chips over the next few days. The W's and PT08 boards are up > now > > https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647476832 > https://www.ebay.com/itm/184647420812 That makes me wonder if I shouldn’t do the same. That would be part of a camera lens, which may, or may not take up less space. :-) Then again I’ve been saying I need to downsize my collection for the better part of 20 years. Zane
