Re: List Problems?

[Tomasz Rola via cctalk]

On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 08:31:11PM -0800, Zane Healy wrote:
[...]
> 
> The only reason I saw these two emails is because I’m CC’d on them.
> At least I now know that I can send emails to classiccmp, but I’m
> not getting emails from at this address.  I’m not sure if the
> problem is with my new email provider (Rackspace), or with
> classiccmp.  This is the only mail that I’m aware of not coming
> through.  I’m not on as many email lists as I used to be, but the
> others seem to be working.
> 
> Oddly enough, I’m still getting email at my Aracnet address since
> regaining email access to that account.
> 
> Zane
> 

Try sending email to cctalk-requ...@classiccmp.org with subject line
"help" and empty body; see what it tells you - perhaps you can play a
bit with mailman commands.

Perhaps resubscribing will solve the problem?

Other than above, I have no more ideas.

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **

Re: List Problems?

[Tomasz Rola via cctalk]

On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 04:12:57PM -0600, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
[...]
> So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I
> just need to find a bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the
> migration. Then it will be stable again. This is a hobby, and life
> does intervene at times. About the only thing I'll ask is if you
> ever meet me in person at an event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll
> be happy.

Man, you certainly deserve a beer.

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **

Re: List Problems?

[Pontus Pihlgren via cctalk]

I've said it before and I'll probably say it many times again. Thank you 
for your time, bandwidth, storage and CPU-hours!

Also thanks for the update.

/P

On Tue, Nov 07, 2017 at 04:12:57PM -0600, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
> Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went down a couple weeks ago 
> and again about a week ago. The issue is that I've been migrating the 
> classiccmp server VM from an old falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather 
> than just migrate it, I decided to take the time to upgrade everything. All 
> software, all dependancies, OS, etc etc.
> 
> My approach was to create a new classiccmp server on the new cluster, and 
> then migrate one website/ftp site/repository/mailinglist at a time. This way 
> I could make sure things are running ok before just moving everything. What 
> that means is that as of this moment, some classiccmp related websites are on 
> the 'old' but running server, and some are on the 'new' but running server. 
> That is why - for just one example - that when the old (but still in 
> production) server went down a couple weeks ago (see below)... bitsavers 
> still stayed up and running. It had already been migrated.
> 
> So on the old falling apart cluster where the old server is, there is a 
> horrendous iscsi issue. This is partly a problem with freebsd and some silly 
> assumptions made by the developers, or at least lack of time to fix it. It's 
> also due to some bad network related items. But mostly it is due to the fact 
> that all of our production clients we moved off the old stuff a year ago and 
> that hardware isn't well maintained and targeted for decommission. That can't 
> happen until my hobby classiccmp list/site, and all the vintage computer 
> related sites that I host for free get moved.
> 
> Yes, there are active backups of everything. But whenever the iscsi issue 
> presents itself, I have to restore the entire VM, and that takes a long long 
> time.
> 
> So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I just need 
> to find a bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the migration. Then it will be 
> stable again. This is a hobby, and life does intervene at times. About the 
> only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an event, buy me a 
> glass of beer and I'll be happy.
> 
> J
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 

Re: List Problems?

[Zane Healy via cctalk]

On Nov 7, 2017, at 1:07 PM, Rob Jarratt  wrote:
> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz
>> 
>> On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>>> I know around the 20th I wasn’t the only one having problems.  Are
>>> there still issues?
>> 
>> I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based
>> mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not
>> responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was
>> GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists
>> all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two.
>> 
>> No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I
>> have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to
>> spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved
>> itself and chances are, very few were affected.
> 
> This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a 
> friend here in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and 
> www.classiccmp.org not responding.

The only reason I saw these two emails is because I’m CC’d on them.  At least I 
now know that I can send emails to classiccmp, but I’m not getting emails from 
at this address.  I’m not sure if the problem is with my new email provider 
(Rackspace), or with classiccmp.  This is the only mail that I’m aware of not 
coming through.  I’m not on as many email lists as I used to be, but the others 
seem to be working.

Oddly enough, I’m still getting email at my Aracnet address since regaining 
email access to that account.

Zane

Re: List Problems?

[Alexandre Souza via cctalk]

>About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an
event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy.

I'm some 10.000 km from you, I doubt I'll have the pleasure of buying you a
beer in person. Maybe a button we could remotely click? :)

2017-11-07 20:12 GMT-02:00 Jay West via cctalk :

> Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went down a couple weeks ago
> and again about a week ago. The issue is that I've been migrating the
> classiccmp server VM from an old falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather
> than just migrate it, I decided to take the time to upgrade everything. All
> software, all dependancies, OS, etc etc.
>
> My approach was to create a new classiccmp server on the new cluster, and
> then migrate one website/ftp site/repository/mailinglist at a time. This
> way I could make sure things are running ok before just moving everything.
> What that means is that as of this moment, some classiccmp related websites
> are on the 'old' but running server, and some are on the 'new' but running
> server. That is why - for just one example - that when the old (but still
> in production) server went down a couple weeks ago (see below)... bitsavers
> still stayed up and running. It had already been migrated.
>
> So on the old falling apart cluster where the old server is, there is a
> horrendous iscsi issue. This is partly a problem with freebsd and some
> silly assumptions made by the developers, or at least lack of time to fix
> it. It's also due to some bad network related items. But mostly it is due
> to the fact that all of our production clients we moved off the old stuff a
> year ago and that hardware isn't well maintained and targeted for
> decommission. That can't happen until my hobby classiccmp list/site, and
> all the vintage computer related sites that I host for free get moved.
>
> Yes, there are active backups of everything. But whenever the iscsi issue
> presents itself, I have to restore the entire VM, and that takes a long
> long time.
>
> So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I just
> need to find a bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the migration. Then it
> will be stable again. This is a hobby, and life does intervene at times.
> About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an event,
> buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy.
>
> J
>
>
>
>
>
>

RE: List Problems?

[Fred Cisin via cctalk]

On Tue, 7 Nov 2017, Jay West via cctalk wrote:
it will be stable again. This is a hobby, and life does intervene at 
times. About the only thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at 
an event, buy me a glass of beer and I'll be happy.


Until we happen to run into you, is there a beer button that we can click?

RE: List Problems?

[Jay West via cctalk]

Yes, I am aware of the list problems. Yes, it went down a couple weeks ago and 
again about a week ago. The issue is that I've been migrating the classiccmp 
server VM from an old falling apart cluster to a new one. Rather than just 
migrate it, I decided to take the time to upgrade everything. All software, all 
dependancies, OS, etc etc.

My approach was to create a new classiccmp server on the new cluster, and then 
migrate one website/ftp site/repository/mailinglist at a time. This way I could 
make sure things are running ok before just moving everything. What that means 
is that as of this moment, some classiccmp related websites are on the 'old' 
but running server, and some are on the 'new' but running server. That is why - 
for just one example - that when the old (but still in production) server went 
down a couple weeks ago (see below)... bitsavers still stayed up and running. 
It had already been migrated.

So on the old falling apart cluster where the old server is, there is a 
horrendous iscsi issue. This is partly a problem with freebsd and some silly 
assumptions made by the developers, or at least lack of time to fix it. It's 
also due to some bad network related items. But mostly it is due to the fact 
that all of our production clients we moved off the old stuff a year ago and 
that hardware isn't well maintained and targeted for decommission. That can't 
happen until my hobby classiccmp list/site, and all the vintage computer 
related sites that I host for free get moved.

Yes, there are active backups of everything. But whenever the iscsi issue 
presents itself, I have to restore the entire VM, and that takes a long long 
time.

So no Aaron - better hosting isn't needed. Nor is any donation. I just need to 
find a bunch of roundtuits so I can finish the migration. Then it will be 
stable again. This is a hobby, and life does intervene at times. About the only 
thing I'll ask is if you ever meet me in person at an event, buy me a glass of 
beer and I'll be happy.

J

Re: List Problems?

[Hayden Kroepfl via cctalk]

I had this just last weekend. No mail from the list starting early
morning on the 4th and didn't start getting new mail till the morning
of the 6th. During that time the website wasn't responding for me
either.

--
Hayden

On Tue, Nov 7, 2017 at 2:07 PM, Rob Jarratt via cctalk
<cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
>
>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz
>> Rola via cctalk
>> Sent: 07 November 2017 18:26
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>> Cc: Zane Healy <heal...@avanthar.com>
>> Subject: Re: List Problems?
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>> > I know around the 20th I wasn’t the only one having problems.  Are
>> > there still issues?
>>
>> I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based
>> mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not
>> responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was
>> GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists
>> all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two.
>>
>> No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I
>> have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to
>> spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved
>> itself and chances are, very few were affected.
>>
>
>
> This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a 
> friend here in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and 
> www.classiccmp.org not responding.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob
>

Re: List Problems?

[Aaron Jackson via cctalk]

>> -Original Message-
>> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz
>> Rola via cctalk
>> Sent: 07 November 2017 18:26
>> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
>> Cc: Zane Healy <heal...@avanthar.com>
>> Subject: Re: List Problems?
>>
>> On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
>> > I know around the 20th I wasn’t the only one having problems.  Are
>> > there still issues?
>>
>> I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based
>> mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not
>> responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was
>> GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists
>> all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two.
>>
>> No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I
>> have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to
>> spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved
>> itself and chances are, very few were affected.
>>
>
>
> This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a 
> friend here in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and 
> www.classiccmp.org not responding.
>
> Regards
>
> Rob

If better hosting is required and there was a donation button, I'd be
happy to click it. I'm sure many other list members would be too.

Aaron.

RE: List Problems?

[Rob Jarratt via cctalk]

> -Original Message-
> From: cctalk [mailto:cctalk-boun...@classiccmp.org] On Behalf Of Tomasz
> Rola via cctalk
> Sent: 07 November 2017 18:26
> To: General Discussion: On-Topic and Off-Topic Posts <cctalk@classiccmp.org>
> Cc: Zane Healy <heal...@avanthar.com>
> Subject: Re: List Problems?
> 
> On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> > I know around the 20th I wasn’t the only one having problems.  Are
> > there still issues?
> 
> I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from US-based
> mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that, www.classiccmp.org was not
> responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was
> GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists
> all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or two.
> 
> No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it was. I
> have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have some time to
> spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not - given that is solved
> itself and chances are, very few were affected.
> 


This has happened to me too, twice in recent weeks, and not just to me, to a 
friend here in the UK too. By "this" I mean, no emails from the list and 
www.classiccmp.org not responding.

Regards

Rob

Re: List Problems?

[Tomasz Rola via cctalk]

On Sun, Nov 05, 2017 at 09:46:18AM -0800, Zane Healy via cctalk wrote:
> I know around the 20th I wasn’t the only one having problems.  Are
> there still issues?

I have had some issues during Oct 21st-22nd (Sat + Sun). Emails from
US-based mailing lists stopped coming. On top of that,
www.classiccmp.org was not responding. On later Sunday afternoon (I was
GMT+2, now I am GMT+1) everything looked normal again and mute lists
all came back either around this time or (I think) during next day or
two.

No idea what could have been the cause of this or how widespread it
was. I have not spotted anything in the news, and maybe I will have
some time to spare on thinking more about this puzzle, or maybe not -
given that is solved itself and chances are, very few were affected.

[...]
> 
> It will be interesting to see if this makes it through.

It made it through, apparently.

-- 
Regards,
Tomasz Rola

--
** A C programmer asked whether computer had Buddha's nature.  **
** As the answer, master did "rm -rif" on the programmer's home**
** directory. And then the C programmer became enlightened...  **
** **
** Tomasz Rola  mailto:tomasz_r...@bigfoot.com **