Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020, Ethan O'Toole via cctalk wrote: Hello all, What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to say on the subject. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! Hooray for Cult of the Dead Cow!! [[___]] (x X) \ / (U) moo This was becoming a train wreck until this. Made my day. :D g. -- Proud owner of F-15C 80-0007 http://www.f15sim.com - The only one of its kind. http://www.diy-cockpits.org/coll - Go Collimated or Go Home. Some people collect things for a hobby. Geeks collect hobbies. ScarletDME - The red hot Data Management Environment A Multi-Value database for the masses, not the classes. http://scarlet.deltasoft.com - Get it _today_!
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Jim - I agree. In the grand scheme of things this is not a big deal. Life goes on. On the flip side, this should serve as a reminder for people to sign up and participate in these events instead of sitting on the fence. Doing things in real life can require a lot of effort, and those things often suffer from a lack of participation. When something is successful people should savor it because depending on the "something" there are so many ways for it to fail. That's true whether it is a computer meetup (small in the grand scheme of things), a relative making it out of high school or college, or somebody accomplishing something. Failure is all around us celebrate even the small things that don't fail. We had two good years and we dodged a snowstorm by luck. This year we weren't so lucky. That's today's motivational message. Back to drudge work ...
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
On 2020-03-06 1:37 PM, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: > Hello all, > What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to > say on the subject. Good. > GOD Bless and Thanks, > rich! > > On 3/6/2020 9:48 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: >> Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal, with citations to peer >> reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world >> health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice based >> on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good >> information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess >> that exists in national sources. >> >> Warner >> >> On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk >> >> wrote: >> >>> Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. >>> FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical >>> sources. >>> >>> >>> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk >>> wrote: Hello all, The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay home. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: > Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is >>> there > a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' > hard > work? > > Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > >> The short story: COVID-19 >> >> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. >> >> >> Mike >> >
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
On Fri, Mar 06, 2020 at 01:02:50PM -0600, Jim Brain via cctalk wrote: > I hope you can weather the storm without too much personal hurt. As > much time and effort as you have put into the event and the pride we > are have for such events +1 mcl
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
On Fri, 6 Mar 2020, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: Hello all, What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to say on the subject. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! Doesn't the Living Computer Museum have a CDC 6500?
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
On 3/6/2020 11:50 AM, Michael Brutman via cctalk wrote: It was not a public health order. Vulcan, Inc. is erring on the side of caution and shut the museum down. I had no input or choice in the manner, and regardless of what I think (positive or negative) it is out of my hands. I hope you can weather the storm without too much personal hurt. As much time and effort as you have put into the event and the pride we are have for such events, this is not a critical event in the grand scheme of things, but I am sure some people will lash out as if it is/was. Ignore them if you can. I put an incredible amount of time into this event, and have for the last three years. Right now the mission is to get the word out and try to make it easier for the people who have been impacted. (Plane tickets, travel reservations, vacation time, etc.) I chose to cancel than postpone because we really don't know how far this goes. Perhaps in a few weeks we'll know more, but there are other considerations too including other events (not necessarily ours) that we don't want to conflict with. I was a bit surprised that it was not a "postponed until further notice", but postponed versus canceled is probably equivalent in the short term (people need to deal with plane tickets, unbook hotels, etc. in the same way) Jim
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Hello all, What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to say on the subject. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! Hooray for Cult of the Dead Cow!! [[___]] (x X) \ / (U) moo
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
The CDC does *NOT* say that the flu is more of a threat than COVID-19. Given that it's early in flu season, we cannot yet know which will be more deadly this year. We're at the left hand side of the exponential curve so comparisons to prior year's full year data are not valid. Warner On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 11:37 AM Richard Pope wrote: > Hello all, > What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to > say on the subject. > GOD Bless and Thanks, > rich! > > On 3/6/2020 9:48 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: > > Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal, with citations to peer > > reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world > > health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice > based > > on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good > > information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess > > that exists in national sources. > > > > Warner > > > > On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> > > wrote: > > > >> Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. > >> FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical > >> sources. > >> > >> > >> On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk > >> wrote: > >>> Hello all, > >>> The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be > >>> at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are > sick > >>> just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. > >>> The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing > a > >>> mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through > >>> the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please > stay > >>> home. > >>> GOD Bless and Thanks, > >>> rich! > >>> > >>> On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: > Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is > >> there > a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' > hard > work? > > Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > The short story: COVID-19 > > > > More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. > > > > > > Mike > > > >
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Hello all, What I said below is from the CDC. That is all that I am going to say on the subject. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 3/6/2020 9:48 AM, Warner Losh via cctalk wrote: Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal, with citations to peer reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice based on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess that exists in national sources. Warner On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk wrote: Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical sources. On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: Hello all, The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay home. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard work? Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: The short story: COVID-19 More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. Mike
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Getting back on topic - VCF PNW 2020 ... John - thanks for the kind words. The T-shirt is fantastic - I designed it myself. :-) (You can see the mockup on the website.) I still plan on sending t-shirts to all of the exhibitors, volunteers and speakers. And I'll try to do some mail order for people like you who want a great shirt and want to support us. I had been talking to museum personnel before the decision was made and honestly it was a surprise to me. Things changed very quickly after King County announced guidance asking organizers of large events to consider cancelling them. The exact words regarding large events were: "Event and community gathering considerations - If you can feasibly avoid bringing large groups of people together, consider postponing events and gatherings." https://www.kingcounty.gov/depts/health/communicable-diseases/disease-control/novel-coronavirus/protection.aspx It was not a public health order. Vulcan, Inc. is erring on the side of caution and shut the museum down. I had no input or choice in the manner, and regardless of what I think (positive or negative) it is out of my hands. I put an incredible amount of time into this event, and have for the last three years. Right now the mission is to get the word out and try to make it easier for the people who have been impacted. (Plane tickets, travel reservations, vacation time, etc.) I chose to cancel than postpone because we really don't know how far this goes. Perhaps in a few weeks we'll know more, but there are other considerations too including other events (not necessarily ours) that we don't want to conflict with. Thanks for understanding and stay safe ... Mike
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Yes. I thought about posting a long rebuttal, with citations to peer reviewed articles and then thought better of it. I'll just say that world health organization (www.who.int) has the best, most current advice based on the accumulated evidence to date and a track record of providing good information over several of these outbreaks and avoids the partisan mess that exists in national sources. Warner On Fri, Mar 6, 2020 at 1:11 AM Tor Arntsen via cctalk wrote: > Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. > FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical > sources. > > > On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk > wrote: > > > > Hello all, > > The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be > > at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick > > just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. > > The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a > > mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through > > the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay > > home. > > GOD Bless and Thanks, > > rich! > > > > On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: > > > Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is > there > > > a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard > > > work? > > > > > > Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? > > > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < > > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > > > >> The short story: COVID-19 > > >> > > >> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. > > >> > > >> > > >> Mike > > >> > > >
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Please do not try to spread medical advice on a mailing list. FYI, what you're saying does *not* match proper advice from medical sources. On Fri, 6 Mar 2020 at 07:58, Richard Pope via cctalk wrote: > > Hello all, > The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be > at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick > just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. > The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a > mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through > the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay > home. > GOD Bless and Thanks, > rich! > > On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: > > Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there > > a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard > > work? > > > > Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? > > > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < > > cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > > > >> The short story: COVID-19 > >> > >> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. > >> > >> > >> Mike > >> >
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Given that the venue is closed and it is unknown whether it will reopen before the show date, there is a good reason to reschedule at a minimum. alan > On Mar 5, 2020, at 21:40, Richard Pope via cctalk > wrote: > > Hello all, >The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be at risk. > It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick just stay > home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. The flu is more > of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a mask is a waste of > money and resources for you can be infected through the eyes. No reason to > cancel. Just request that sick people please stay home. > GOD Bless and Thanks, > rich! > >> On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: >> Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there >> a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard >> work? >> >> Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? >> >> On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < >> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: >> >>> The short story: COVID-19 >>> >>> More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. >>> >>> >>> Mike >>> >
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Hello all, The Covid-19 threat is being over sold. Children don't seem to be at risk. It is the elderly that seem to get really sick. If you are sick just stay home. You can also wear a mask and that will protect others. The flu is more of a threat than Covid-19. If you are not sick wearing a mask is a waste of money and resources for you can be infected through the eyes. No reason to cancel. Just request that sick people please stay home. GOD Bless and Thanks, rich! On 3/5/2020 11:30 PM, John Herron via cctalk wrote: Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard work? Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: The short story: COVID-19 More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. Mike
Re: VCF PNW 2020: Cancelled
Tough choice and I saw the museum closing announcement today also. Is there a way to still buy any swag and show support for all of you folks' hard work? Probably too soon to say but any chance of a reschedule vs cancel? On Thu, Mar 5, 2020, 7:34 PM Michael Brutman via cctalk < cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote: > The short story: COVID-19 > > More details at http://vcfed.org/vcf-pnw. > > > Mike >
