Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Michael Kerpan via cctalk]

I was able to find and archive the CYBIS kit, plus the associated
documentation, as well as binaries and source code for a version of DtCyber
that seem to be from January 2017. I actually have a web server that I
don't use for much, so I'll probably upload it there, as well as pushing
stuff to archive.org.

Mike

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, 10:09 PM Andrew Warkentin via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On 11/18/21, Michael Kerpan via cctalk  wrote:
> > What happened? Looking back at my emails, the list was operating normally
> > until September 3. Then it just stopped. There were normal discussions
> > going on. There was no flood of spam. As far as I can tell, nothing
> occured
> > that would trigger a rage quit.
> >
> > Is the software and documentation that was on the site at least archived
> > elsewhere? Has anybody downloaded it and can maybe upload to archive.org
> ?
> >
> > Mike
> >
>
> I downloaded some of the software and documentation from there a long
> time ago and still have it, although I didn't actually scrape the
> entire site. I can upload what I've got to archive.org.
>
> The disk image kit of NOS 2.8.7 with CYBIS has been mirrored at
>  and most of
> the documentation for it is available from the Wayback Machine at
> <
> http://web.archive.org/web/20210421202420/http://www.control-data.info/CybisRelease.html
> >
>

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Peter Allan via cctalk]

On 11/81/21,. Andrew Warkentin via cctalk  wrote:

>> What happened? Looking back at my emails, the list was operating normally
>> until September 3. Then it just stopped. There were normal discussions
>> going on. There was no flood of spam. As far as I can tell, nothing
occured
>> that would trigger a rage quit.
>>
>> Is the software and documentation that was on the site at least archived
>> elsewhere? Has anybody downloaded it and can maybe upload to archive.org?
>>
>> Mike
>>

> I downloaded some of the software and documentation from there a long
> time ago and still have it, although I didn't actually scrape the
> entire site. I can upload what I've got to archive.org.
>
> The disk image kit of NOS 2.8.7 with CYBIS has been mirrored at
>  and most of
> the documentation for it is available from the Wayback Machine at
> <
http://web.archive.org/web/20210421202420/http://www.control-data.info/CybisRelease.html
>

I have a working version of NOS 2.8.1, but I would like to be able to add
software that is not included as part of the system that I downloaded from
controlfreaks.org about 18 months ago. An example might be the ALGOL68
compiler. (I stress 'might be', as I haven't checked if that is on my
system already. I just know there is 'some good stuff' that I want and
which I don't have.)

I have had a look on archive.org, but I can't find anything that looks like
CDC NOS software tapes. A big part of my difficulty is likely to be that I
don't have a list of what was available on controlfreaks.org in order to be
able to do a detailed search. I did search archive.org for controlfreaks.org,
but all I get is

Controlfreaks.orgAuthorized Users Only

This site is for the research into historic systems and software made by
Control Data Corporation. If you think you can contribute, email to
ControlfreaksAdmin
 to
request a username/password for access to this site.

All the content is over in the TWiki

.

When I click on the TWiki link, I get

   {ScriptUrlPath}/view/TWiki/TWikiRegistration

which is not much use.

Does anyone have a list of the CDC software that was available from
controlfreaks.org?

Cheers

Peter Allan

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Richard Cornwell via cctalk]

There was no internet software in the Update file I found.
Rich
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Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 11/19/21 5:25 AM, Richard Cornwell via cctalk wrote:
> Hi Andrew,
> 
> As the one who discovered Scope 3.0+ source I still have images.
> Note this is a build from source not a original image.
> 

SCOPE 3.0+ covers an enormous range of distributions.   SCOPE 3.1.6 (my
goto source for several years) is miles apart from SCOPE 3.4 (later
rechristened NOS/BE).  Even SCOPE 3.3 is significantly different from
SCOPE 3.2.

Pinning down what you actually have would be beneficial to the curious.

Did anyone ever archive Purdue MACE?  That was an interesting
predecessor to KRONOS.

(and I won't even discuss the "custom" OSes spun by the Special Systems
Division from the SCOPE base.   TCM/RA1 for example.)

--Chuck

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Lars Brinkhoff via cctalk]

Some ARPANET hosts were running SCOPE.  Is there any ARPANET software
that has been preserved?

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Richard Cornwell via cctalk]

Hi Andrew,

As the one who discovered Scope 3.0+ source I still have images.
Note this is a build from source not a original image.

Rich
-- 
==
Richard Cornwell
r...@sky-visions.com
http://sky-visions.com
LinkedIn:   https://www.linkedin.com/in/richard-cornwell-991076107
==

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Andrew Warkentin via cctalk]

On 11/18/21, Chuck Guzis via cctalk  wrote:
>
> Have any SCOPE 3.1.6 or 3.3 deadstart images survived?   If someone has
> an old 7-track deadstart tape, I'll be happy to image it.  NOS is too
> new for me--I date from the time that it was KRONOS--and before that, MACE.
>
> --Chuck
>

I think there was a SCOPE 3.3 deadstart tape that got imaged but I
can't quite remember if it was posted on the wiki. I can't quite
remember what some of the tape images I downloaded actually are (the
names aren't always obvious and I unfortunately didn't organize them
very well). Of the known images I have the closest thing to SCOPE 3.3
would be SCOPE/Hustler, although I'm not sure if the deadstart tape
image works with the disk images.

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Chuck Guzis via cctalk]

On 11/18/21 7:08 PM, Andrew Warkentin via cctalk wrote:
> On 11/18/21, Michael Kerpan via cctalk  wrote:
>> What happened? Looking back at my emails, the list was operating normally
>> until September 3. Then it just stopped. There were normal discussions
>> going on. There was no flood of spam. As far as I can tell, nothing occured
>> that would trigger a rage quit.
>>
>> Is the software and documentation that was on the site at least archived
>> elsewhere? Has anybody downloaded it and can maybe upload to archive.org?
>>
>> Mike
>>
> 
> I downloaded some of the software and documentation from there a long
> time ago and still have it, although I didn't actually scrape the
> entire site. I can upload what I've got to archive.org.
> 
> The disk image kit of NOS 2.8.7 with CYBIS has been mirrored at
>  and most of
> the documentation for it is available from the Wayback Machine at
> 

Have any SCOPE 3.1.6 or 3.3 deadstart images survived?   If someone has
an old 7-track deadstart tape, I'll be happy to image it.  NOS is too
new for me--I date from the time that it was KRONOS--and before that, MACE.

--Chuck

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Andrew Warkentin via cctalk]

On 11/18/21, Michael Kerpan via cctalk  wrote:
> What happened? Looking back at my emails, the list was operating normally
> until September 3. Then it just stopped. There were normal discussions
> going on. There was no flood of spam. As far as I can tell, nothing occured
> that would trigger a rage quit.
>
> Is the software and documentation that was on the site at least archived
> elsewhere? Has anybody downloaded it and can maybe upload to archive.org?
>
> Mike
>

I downloaded some of the software and documentation from there a long
time ago and still have it, although I didn't actually scrape the
entire site. I can upload what I've got to archive.org.

The disk image kit of NOS 2.8.7 with CYBIS has been mirrored at
 and most of
the documentation for it is available from the Wayback Machine at

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Alexandre Souza via cctalk]

And the ones harmed were the people who cared for and supported him, the
guy who stole his material got nothing but promotion.

A very selfish and childish way to handle things.

If you like a site...clone it to your HD, it happens more than you think :(

73 de pu2sex Alexandre


Enviado do meu Tele-Movel

Em qui, 18 de nov de 2021 11:32, Daniel Seagraves via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> escreveu:

>
> > On Nov 18, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Michael Kerpan  wrote:
> >
> > What happened? Looking back at my emails, the list was operating
> normally until September 3. Then it just stopped. There were normal
> discussions going on. There was no flood of spam. As far as I can tell,
> nothing occured that would trigger a rage quit.
>
> A news article was posted wherein another party was credited with creating
> DTCyber and a screenshot showed that party had removed his advertisements
> from the software.
>
> The GPL does not have an advertising clause, and he did not have grounds
> to demand the advertisement be restored, so he decided it best to delete
> everything.
>
>

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Daniel Seagraves via cctalk]

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 8:22 AM, Michael Kerpan  wrote:
> 
> What happened? Looking back at my emails, the list was operating normally 
> until September 3. Then it just stopped. There were normal discussions going 
> on. There was no flood of spam. As far as I can tell, nothing occured that 
> would trigger a rage quit.

A news article was posted wherein another party was credited with creating 
DTCyber and a screenshot showed that party had removed his advertisements from 
the software.

The GPL does not have an advertising clause, and he did not have grounds to 
demand the advertisement be restored, so he decided it best to delete 
everything.

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Michael Kerpan via cctalk]

Why would legal counsel tell him to take the site down? That makes no sense.

Mike

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, 9:24 AM James B DiGriz via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

> On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 07:23:40 -0600
> Daniel Seagraves via cctalk  wrote:
>
> > > On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:53 AM, Jim Carpenter via cctalk
> > >  wrote:
> > >
> > > Is anybody able to access these sites? I just get redirected to
> > > Google.
> > >
> > > Jim
> >
> > Quite simply, Tom got mad, took his ball, and went home. It is my
> > understanding that everything has been deleted and won’t be restored.
> >
> >
>
> Maybe. I'm thinking it's possible he's acting on advice of legal
> counsel, and the sites will be restored at some point. We'll see.
>
> Thanks, Tom, for DtCyber, GPL'ing it,  and for making the sites
> available as long as you did.
>
> jbdigriz
>

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[James B DiGriz via cctalk]

On Thu, 18 Nov 2021 07:23:40 -0600
Daniel Seagraves via cctalk  wrote:

> > On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:53 AM, Jim Carpenter via cctalk
> >  wrote:
> > 
> > Is anybody able to access these sites? I just get redirected to
> > Google.
> > 
> > Jim  
> 
> Quite simply, Tom got mad, took his ball, and went home. It is my
> understanding that everything has been deleted and won’t be restored.
> 
> 

Maybe. I'm thinking it's possible he's acting on advice of legal
counsel, and the sites will be restored at some point. We'll see. 

Thanks, Tom, for DtCyber, GPL'ing it,  and for making the sites
available as long as you did. 

jbdigriz

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Michael Kerpan via cctalk]

What happened? Looking back at my emails, the list was operating normally
until September 3. Then it just stopped. There were normal discussions
going on. There was no flood of spam. As far as I can tell, nothing occured
that would trigger a rage quit.

Is the software and documentation that was on the site at least archived
elsewhere? Has anybody downloaded it and can maybe upload to archive.org?

Mike

On Thu, Nov 18, 2021, 8:23 AM Daniel Seagraves via cctalk <
cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:

>
> > On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:53 AM, Jim Carpenter via cctalk <
> cctalk@classiccmp.org> wrote:
> >
> > Is anybody able to access these sites? I just get redirected to Google.
> >
> > Jim
>
> Quite simply, Tom got mad, took his ball, and went home. It is my
> understanding that everything has been deleted and won’t be restored.
>
>
>

RE: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[D. Resor via cctalk]

Here's what's been archived for one of the two websites:

https://web.archive.org/web/*/control-data.info


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http://hammondorganservice.com
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-Original Message-
From: cctalk  On Behalf Of Jim Carpenter via 
cctalk
Sent: Wednesday, November 17, 2021 10:53 PM
To: cctalk@classiccmp.org
Subject: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

Is anybody able to access these sites? I just get redirected to Google.

Jim

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Daniel Seagraves via cctalk]

> On Nov 18, 2021, at 12:53 AM, Jim Carpenter via cctalk 
>  wrote:
> 
> Is anybody able to access these sites? I just get redirected to Google.
> 
> Jim

Quite simply, Tom got mad, took his ball, and went home. It is my understanding 
that everything has been deleted and won’t be restored.

Re: What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Chris Elmquist via cctalk]

On Thursday (11/18/2021 at 01:53AM -0500), Jim Carpenter via cctalk wrote:
> Is anybody able to access these sites? I just get redirected to Google.

I have not received any email from the controlfreaks mailing list for
over 60 days either.  I automatically expire stuff older than 60 days
and the mailbox is totally empty now.

Chris
-- 
Chris Elmquist

What happened to control-data.info and controlfreaks.org?

[Jim Carpenter via cctalk]

Is anybody able to access these sites? I just get redirected to Google.

Jim