Re: wodim floating point exception
Norbert Preining wrote: > Your wording: Please stop it. This started as a thread on a bug that was found in an illegal fork from cdrtools. It seems that the OP is no longer interested. I know that you like to continue to bend facts but this will bring us nowhere. There is no support for wodim and we all know this. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
Re: cdrecord floating point exception
Andy Polyakov wrote: > > The only code that probably could be called free was growisofs, but > > growisofs > > at that time was not under GPL (altough the Author claimed so) because > > commercial publishing was not allowed. Growisofs is now free, but the change > > to a real free license was made after the complete cdrecord source was > > published > > under a free license. > > dvd+rw-tools were available under same license, GPL, all along, and > nothing has changed "after the complete cdrecord source was published > under a free license." I suppose the above comment refers to > http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/solaris.com.html. Quoting it: > > "The agreement is not meant to encumber GPL-compliant usage of the > sofware in question, for example no explicit permission/license is > required, if the same party chooses to download and deploy it internally > in their Solaris environment, e.g. for backup purposes, or even > re-distribute it under GPL terms." > > I can assure that this was the intention from the moment of agreement, I believe you that you may have intended to have it be free. The named limitation however caused e.g. Sun to make an agreement with you before Sun started to publish growisofs. So at least Sun also had the impression that the license situation was unclear. If there was an obvious and definitive GPL on growisofs, Sun did just take it. The situation in Germany is definitively that a Judge would take the named limitytion as an expression of will from the author that is wheighted more heavy than the GPL. This is amongst others, because the GPL is a license written by other people. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
Re: cdrecord floating point exception
On Mo, 02 Feb 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > cdrecord-ProDVD becomes free for everyone > > > > > > later, someone takes parts of the cdrecord DVD code by reverse > > > engineering and > > > publishes patches that cause cdrecord to fail even with CD media. > > > > You are lying: Proof: > > > > From your website: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/README: > > > > NOTE: the DVD-recording drivers have been added to the OpenSource > > part on May 15th 2006 with cdrtools-2.01.01a09. > > > > That was 2006. > > > > The first patch for adding DVD support to cdrecord I found in 1min > > searching was for cdrecord 1.11a08: > > http://www.abcpages.com/~mache/cdrecord-dvd.html > > cdrecord 1.11 was already released before 2001. At that time > > cdrecord-ProDVD was for sure not free. > > This is rather just another poor dumb attempt for lying from you! > > The code you are referring has been created by reverse engineering cdrecord. > It has been published 2 weeks _after_ cdrecord-ProDVD was available for free. Your wording: "... becomes free for everyone" which includes commercial operations etc etc, which was not true at the time of 2001. Do you disagree? Best wishes Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Vienna University of Technology Debian Developer Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- DAMNAGLAUR (n.) A certain facial expression which actors are required to demonstrate their mastery of before they are allowed to play MacBeth. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
Re: cdrecord floating point exception
The only code that probably could be called free was growisofs, but growisofs at that time was not under GPL (altough the Author claimed so) because commercial publishing was not allowed. Growisofs is now free, but the change to a real free license was made after the complete cdrecord source was published under a free license. dvd+rw-tools were available under same license, GPL, all along, and nothing has changed "after the complete cdrecord source was published under a free license." I suppose the above comment refers to http://fy.chalmers.se/~appro/linux/DVD+RW/solaris.com.html. Quoting it: "The agreement is not meant to encumber GPL-compliant usage of the sofware in question, for example no explicit permission/license is required, if the same party chooses to download and deploy it internally in their Solaris environment, e.g. for backup purposes, or even re-distribute it under GPL terms." I can assure that this was the intention from the moment of agreement, to be specific the moment Solaris support made its appearance in dvd+rw-tools in 2003. The note was indeed updated/clarified in 2006, but once again it has nothing to do with any cdrecord time-frame. Well, it might have been affected *indirectly*, as those who asked for clarification at the time might have been confused by misleading claims just like one in the very beginning of this message. A. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
Re: cdrecord floating point exception
Norbert Preining wrote: > On Mo, 02 Feb 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > > 1) cdrecord writes to CDs. > > > > > > 2) cdrecord gets DVD writing code added and becomes cdrecord-ProDVD > > > which is not free software. The free version of cdrecord continues > > > to exist, without DVD writing capability. > > > > cdrecord-ProDVD becomes free for everyone > > > > later, someone takes parts of the cdrecord DVD code by reverse engineering > > and > > publishes patches that cause cdrecord to fail even with CD media. > > You are lying: Proof: > > From your website: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/README: > > NOTE: the DVD-recording drivers have been added to the OpenSource > part on May 15th 2006 with cdrtools-2.01.01a09. > > That was 2006. > > The first patch for adding DVD support to cdrecord I found in 1min > searching was for cdrecord 1.11a08: > http://www.abcpages.com/~mache/cdrecord-dvd.html > cdrecord 1.11 was already released before 2001. At that time > cdrecord-ProDVD was for sure not free. This is rather just another poor dumb attempt for lying from you! The code you are referring has been created by reverse engineering cdrecord. It has been published 2 weeks _after_ cdrecord-ProDVD was available for free. This is exactly the time (_after_ cdrecord was made available for everyone) you need to reverse engineer this half hearted code... Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
Re: cdrecord floating point exception
Joerg Schilling schrieb: > Bill Davidsen wrote: > > >>> Try to learn that hald on Linux is broken and acts on wrong status changes. >>> >>> >> Nothing is ever your fault. Instead of learning from the applications >> which burn CDs and DVDs without being root, your software has problems >> with hald and you refuse to accept that changing the hald config fixes >> the problems and others can work with hald as is, and insist hald is at >> fault. >> > > besides the fact that you _need_ root privileges in order to do the tasks > cdrecord does, Not true. 1. You tend to mix up the goal and the way to get there. Your goals are: being permitted to open a device, send raw commands, lock pages into memory, and use real-time scheduling, perhaps more. There is not only one way there. Your way there is to require super user permissions, which means that at the same time you get permission for all privileged operations at the same time. It goes without saying that from a programmer's POV super user permission is an easily solution, since that's universal (not system-specific) thus you need not port this part to different operating systems. 2. You mix up cdrecord's ambitions and those other applications may have. Other applications may decide to restrict their offerings when they cannot obtain all privileges. For instance, an application that cannot obtain realtime permissions and cannot lock pages into memory may refuse to write media that do not allow single-block overwrites. Such applications can still write DVD-whatever. Or, if the user requests reduced quality and enables Burnproof/Justlink/whatever, can still write a CD without realtime scheduling. HOWEVER your wording often reads as though the decisions you made for cdrecord were the only possible ones. That's true for cdrecord and for software that you write, but not for other applications, or other programmers. > I am of course willing to help the hald people to fix their software. > After a bit of behind-the-scenes discussion with Thomas of scdbackup fame, I start wondering if Linux's device access model is up to the task. Let's collect some facts first, before we start pointing fingers at anyone. How do operating systems (Solaris/openSolaris, *BSD, Linux) provide EXCLUSIVE access to a device? I'd naively tend to believe that if MyCdWriteApplication has /dev/blahwriter0 open for exclusive access, no other application should be able to bypass that exclusive reservation. Yet Thomas claims he's seen such things happen. I'm not sure if that's a user-space or kernel-space problem. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
Re: cdrecord floating point exception
Sorry to chime in again. Jörg Schilling is playing the funny guy twisting facts again: On Mo, 02 Feb 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote: > > 1) cdrecord writes to CDs. > > > > 2) cdrecord gets DVD writing code added and becomes cdrecord-ProDVD > > which is not free software. The free version of cdrecord continues > > to exist, without DVD writing capability. > > cdrecord-ProDVD becomes free for everyone > > later, someone takes parts of the cdrecord DVD code by reverse engineering and > publishes patches that cause cdrecord to fail even with CD media. You are lying: Proof: >From your website: ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/cdrecord/ProDVD/README: NOTE: the DVD-recording drivers have been added to the OpenSource part on May 15th 2006 with cdrtools-2.01.01a09. That was 2006. The first patch for adding DVD support to cdrecord I found in 1min searching was for cdrecord 1.11a08: http://www.abcpages.com/~mache/cdrecord-dvd.html cdrecord 1.11 was already released before 2001. At that time cdrecord-ProDVD was for sure not free. One of the Debian bug reports discussing that #248187 starts Sun, 9 May 2004 for cdrtools release 2.0+a30 Guys please see the the reality WHO is lying here. Or is Schillings missing at least 5 years??? Norbert --- Dr. Norbert Preining Vienna University of Technology Debian Developer Debian TeX Group gpg DSA: 0x09C5B094 fp: 14DF 2E6C 0307 BE6D AD76 A9C0 D2BF 4AA3 09C5 B094 --- CAMER (n.) A mis-tossed caber. --- Douglas Adams, The Meaning of Liff -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
Re: cdrecord floating point exception
Bill Davidsen wrote: > > Try to learn that hald on Linux is broken and acts on wrong status changes. > > > > Nothing is ever your fault. Instead of learning from the applications > which burn CDs and DVDs without being root, your software has problems > with hald and you refuse to accept that changing the hald config fixes > the problems and others can work with hald as is, and insist hald is at > fault. besides the fact that you _need_ root privileges in order to do the tasks cdrecord does, cdrecord exists many years longer than hald. I am of course willing to help the hald people to fix their software. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
Re: cdrecord floating point exception
Joerg Schilling wrote: Rob Bogus wrote: Joerg Schilling wrote: >From zoubi...@hotmail.com Fri Jan 30 21:07:19 2009 You did not install cdrecord correctly as you see from this messages. Cdrecord needs to be installed suid root in order to be able to open all needed devices and in order to send all needed SCSI commands. When are you going to fix that? Other software can burn without being root, clearly it can be done. If there are better commands to use with a This is a definitive wrong claim. There is No way to correctly write without root privileges. Try to kill hald and retry cdrecord after correctly installing it suid root. Time to learn to use a scalpel instead of a chain saw... You don't just "kill hald" on most modern distributions, things stop working. And the Try to learn that hald on Linux is broken and acts on wrong status changes. Nothing is ever your fault. Instead of learning from the applications which burn CDs and DVDs without being root, your software has problems with hald and you refuse to accept that changing the hald config fixes the problems and others can work with hald as is, and insist hald is at fault. -- Bill Davidsen "Woe unto the statesman who makes war without a reason that will still be valid when the war is over..." Otto von Bismark -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
Re: cdrecord floating point exception
Greg Wooledge wrote: > > > Perhaps before the name was used, but there was a fork with DVD > > > capability before cdrecord got the ProDVD code. I used it because I had > > > too many problems with the licensing of ProDVD and couldn't get > > > permission to install it. > > > Well, please try to find a proof that someone different did add DVD support > > to cdrecord before February/March 1998. > > You're playing with words. This is the timeline as I remember it: You are playing too > 1) cdrecord writes to CDs. > > 2) cdrecord gets DVD writing code added and becomes cdrecord-ProDVD > which is not free software. The free version of cdrecord continues > to exist, without DVD writing capability. cdrecord-ProDVD becomes free for everyone later, someone takes parts of the cdrecord DVD code by reverse engineering and publishes patches that cause cdrecord to fail even with CD media. > 4) growisofs (dvd+rwtools) comes along, adds DVD writing that works > pretty well. > > 5) cdrecord's DVD writing code is merged into the free version of cdrecord. > License is changed to a different free license. As there never have been two versions of cdrecord, there was of code no merge. > 6) Debian forks "wodim" from an older cdrecord because they're uncertain > of the new license. Not true - sorry. The license that is use with cdrecord was an aproved free license since more than a year at that time. These people never have been uncertain about the license, they just wanted to spread FUD. > Nobody claims their DVD writing code is better than yours or older than > yours. They just claim (correctly) that other code was FREE during a > time when yours was not. The only code that probably could be called free was growisofs, but growisofs at that time was not under GPL (altough the Author claimed so) because commercial publishing was not allowed. Growisofs is now free, but the change to a real free license was made after the complete cdrecord source was published under a free license. > > You will not be able to do this because the official cdrecord DVD support > > has been introduced at a time, when only two other DVD recording programs > > have been available at all, one of them was from Pioneer. At the time > > cdrecord introduced DVD support, only 35 DVD recorders existed in the whole > > world. > > All well and good, but the resulting program was non-free and therefore > many people could not use it, or chose not to use it. It is free NOW, > and thank you for that, but we're discussing the state of affairs during > the time cdrecord-ProDVD was non-free. As I mentioned many times before: There was an NDA at that time and you could not even buy the related writers without a personal permission from the chief of Pioneer. Jörg -- EMail:jo...@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin j...@cs.tu-berlin.de(uni) joerg.schill...@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
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Re: cdrecord floating point exception
> > Perhaps before the name was used, but there was a fork with DVD > > capability before cdrecord got the ProDVD code. I used it because I had > > too many problems with the licensing of ProDVD and couldn't get > > permission to install it. > Well, please try to find a proof that someone different did add DVD support > to cdrecord before February/March 1998. You're playing with words. This is the timeline as I remember it: 1) cdrecord writes to CDs. 2) cdrecord gets DVD writing code added and becomes cdrecord-ProDVD which is not free software. The free version of cdrecord continues to exist, without DVD writing capability. 3) dvdrecord (dvdrtools) forks the free cdrecord and adds DVD writing code that only works for a few drives under a few situations. 4) growisofs (dvd+rwtools) comes along, adds DVD writing that works pretty well. 5) cdrecord's DVD writing code is merged into the free version of cdrecord. License is changed to a different free license. 6) Debian forks "wodim" from an older cdrecord because they're uncertain of the new license. Nobody claims their DVD writing code is better than yours or older than yours. They just claim (correctly) that other code was FREE during a time when yours was not. > You will not be able to do this because the official cdrecord DVD support > has been introduced at a time, when only two other DVD recording programs > have been available at all, one of them was from Pioneer. At the time > cdrecord introduced DVD support, only 35 DVD recorders existed in the whole > world. All well and good, but the resulting program was non-free and therefore many people could not use it, or chose not to use it. It is free NOW, and thank you for that, but we're discussing the state of affairs during the time cdrecord-ProDVD was non-free. -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to cdwrite-requ...@other.debian.org with a subject of "unsubscribe". Trouble? Contact listmas...@other.debian.org
