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Thomas Schmitt [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Joerg Schilling: growisofs uses mkisofs! Mkisofs is definitely not designed to work on a dataset that changes while mkisofs is running. [...] Growisofs cannot give you more than cdrecord gives you with pipes. How about this gesture: star -c -xdev -acl -link-dirs level=0 -C / . \ | gzip | growisofs -Z /dev/sr0=/dev/fd/0 To be checkread by: gunzip /dev/dvd | star -t -v (If this shall produce a system recovery backup then it has to be done in single user mode resp. from a booted rescue system.) Well the original claim was that cdrecord cannot work on data that is piped into cdrecord from mkisofs. This claim is definitely wrong. How would above gesture look with cdrecord for DVD media ? (No disk buffer, single pass, ready for making use of star's fault tolerance options ...) Without filesystem snapshots even star cannot guarantee consistent backups. Adding packet writing modes for DVD media is on the TODO list but with lower priority than other tasks. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend you to read the documentation from cdrtools to learn that your claim is not true: cdrecord of course can burn from a pipe. To be more correct, cdrecord can not burn from a pipe with anything useful writing the pipe, while growisofs can. cdrecord requires that the You seem to have an narrow and incorrect sight of the world In the same narrow minded manner, I could claim that you cannot do anythign useful with growisofs (see below.). total size of the data be known before starting, which means that the usual benefits of using a pipe are not possible: * avoid having to write an image to disk when space is tight * allow overlapping of image creation and burning time * allow burning data which changes in size between observation This is if course not true, see below for more information. So if you can't know the exact size of the image before you start, you can't burn from a pipe. Actually, I don't think you can burn at all with dynamic data, there are old posts here indicating that even using the builtin mkisofs, if the files are growing there can be problems. The final size can be on the command line or in the ISO image, but must be known at the start of the burn. See the man page isosize and tsize= descriptions. The latter explains that cdrecord uses modes which require the information early. It seems that you are uninformed - sorry but growisofs uses mkisofs! Mkisofs is definitely not designed to work on a dataset that changes while mkisofs is running. Whether you _believe_ that you have been able to write something useful with growisofs, while the dataset mkisofs is working on changes, is irrelevent. In most cases, the resulting DVD will be just unusable or mkisofs will even _abort_ because a file did change it's size between the creation of the metadata part of it's output and the time when reading of the related file. CONCLUSION: growisofs _may_ in some rare cases be able to create you a usable DVD, but this is nothing you may rely on. Growisofs cannot give you more than cdrecord gives you with pipes. BTW: because it is a well known problem to make backups from life filessystems, modern Operating Systems did develop filesystem snapshots. If you use snapshots, there are no problems with _both_ growisofs _and_ cdrecord and this is the only _reliable_ way to use pipes with mkisofs on life filesystems. If you do not run a modern OS and thus lack snapshots, I recommend you to upgrade to a modern OS that supports snapshots. Both Solaris and FreeBSD support filesystem shapshots since ~ Y2000. The only other reliable way to do streaming backups from filesystems is to use the method from the time _before_ filesystem snapshots have been introduced: - Bring you computer down to single user mode - Make the backup from a now stable filesystem - Bring the system back to multi-user mode If you are on an older OS and cannot upgrade to a recent OS, this is the only way you may do backups. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) [EMAIL PROTECTED] (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/old/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hi, Bill Davidsen: * avoid having to write an image to disk when space is tight * allow overlapping of image creation and burning time * allow burning data which changes in size between observation Joerg Schilling: growisofs uses mkisofs! Mkisofs is definitely not designed to work on a dataset that changes while mkisofs is running. [...] Growisofs cannot give you more than cdrecord gives you with pipes. How about this gesture: star -c -xdev -acl -link-dirs level=0 -C / . \ | gzip | growisofs -Z /dev/sr0=/dev/fd/0 To be checkread by: gunzip /dev/dvd | star -t -v (If this shall produce a system recovery backup then it has to be done in single user mode resp. from a booted rescue system.) How would above gesture look with cdrecord for DVD media ? (No disk buffer, single pass, ready for making use of star's fault tolerance options ...) Have a nice day :) Thomas -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joerg Schilling wrote: Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I recommend you to read the documentation from cdrtools to learn that your claim is not true: cdrecord of course can burn from a pipe. To be more correct, cdrecord can not burn from a pipe with anything useful writing the pipe, while growisofs can. cdrecord requires that the You seem to have an narrow and incorrect sight of the world In the same narrow minded manner, I could claim that you cannot do anythign useful with growisofs (see below.). total size of the data be known before starting, which means that the usual benefits of using a pipe are not possible: * avoid having to write an image to disk when space is tight * allow overlapping of image creation and burning time * allow burning data which changes in size between observation This is if course not true, see below for more information. You ignore the first case, I assume you agree it is correct. You ignore the 2nd case, I assume you agree it is also correct. And the 3rd case is one which is readily used, so claiming it's not true is futile. Consider: find /var/spool/ordersys/closed -type f -mnewer /usr/ordersys/lastbkup | cpio -o -Hcrc | gzip -8 | growisofs -Z /dev/dvd=/proc/self/fd/0 How do I use cdrecord in this situation? The size of the data is not known, and each run may or may not include the same files. Obviously the size of the individual files doesn't change, each run is static, but run to run isn't. So if you can't know the exact size of the image before you start, you can't burn from a pipe. Actually, I don't think you can burn at all with dynamic data, there are old posts here indicating that even using the builtin mkisofs, if the files are growing there can be problems. The final size can be on the command line or in the ISO image, but must be known at the start of the burn. See the man page isosize and tsize= descriptions. The latter explains that cdrecord uses modes which require the information early. It seems that you are uninformed - sorry but growisofs uses mkisofs! No, it does not use mkisofs when reading from a pipe. It write the incoming data to the media directly, and it need not be an ISO image at all. Mkisofs is definitely not designed to work on a dataset that changes while mkisofs is running. Other than my mention that I expected problems, mkisofs is not mentioned. The issue is that cdrecord with not read pipes and burn media unless the size of the data is known in advance. This is the only issue related to the three limitations I noted above. Whether you _believe_ that you have been able to write something useful with growisofs, while the dataset mkisofs is working on changes, is irrelevent. In most cases, the resulting DVD will be just unusable or mkisofs will even _abort_ because a file did change it's size between the creation of the metadata part of it's output and the time when reading of the related file. Repeat after me, ISO images created by mkisofs are not the only data you can burn to a DVD. CONCLUSION: growisofs _may_ in some rare cases be able to create you a usable DVD, but this is nothing you may rely on. Growisofs cannot give you more than cdrecord gives you with pipes. Irrelevant. BTW: because it is a well known problem to make backups from life filessystems, modern Operating Systems did develop filesystem snapshots. If you use snapshots, there are no problems with _both_ growisofs _and_ cdrecord and this is the only _reliable_ way to use pipes with mkisofs on life filesystems. As long as a consistent dataset is written to the pipe with every run, filesystem snapshots are irrelevant. Most database applications can write a consistent dataset, not limited to just database programs like Oracle, mysql, etc. If you do not run a modern OS and thus lack snapshots, I recommend you to upgrade to a modern OS that supports snapshots. Both Solaris and FreeBSD support filesystem shapshots since ~ Y2000. See above, o/s level snapshots are not needed for database, and may actually freeze the data in the database in an inconsistent state. The only other reliable way to do streaming backups from filesystems is to use the method from the time _before_ filesystem snapshots have been introduced: - Bring you computer down to single user mode - Make the backup from a now stable filesystem - Bring the system back to multi-user mode If you are on an older OS and cannot upgrade to a recent OS, this is the only way you may do backups. Actually, as long as the backup dataset is consistent, I don't see that the method of ensuring consistency is relevant. Some are more convenient that other, I freely agree! Jörg -- E. Robert Bogusta It seemed like a good idea at the time
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Joerg Schilling wrote: Rob Bogus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think size checking is done only for ISO images. If you feed from a source, using a non-ISO image, I believe you bypass that logic. Unlike cdrecord, growisofs can burn from a pipe. I recommend you to read the documentation from cdrtools to learn that your claim is not true: cdrecord of course can burn from a pipe. To be more correct, cdrecord can not burn from a pipe with anything useful writing the pipe, while growisofs can. cdrecord requires that the total size of the data be known before starting, which means that the usual benefits of using a pipe are not possible: * avoid having to write an image to disk when space is tight * allow overlapping of image creation and burning time * allow burning data which changes in size between observation So if you can't know the exact size of the image before you start, you can't burn from a pipe. Actually, I don't think you can burn at all with dynamic data, there are old posts here indicating that even using the builtin mkisofs, if the files are growing there can be problems. The final size can be on the command line or in the ISO image, but must be known at the start of the burn. See the man page isosize and tsize= descriptions. The latter explains that cdrecord uses modes which require the information early. Last tested on 2.01.01a30 on both 2.4 and 2.6 base Linux. Backup process writes a data stream of length 3.8 to 4.1GB, size is a multiple of 32k, growisofs writes the DVD, cdrecord writes the error message. -- Bill Davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] We have more to fear from the bungling of the incompetent than from the machinations of the wicked. - from Slashdot
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incompatible interface changes. cdrecord: Warning: SCSI transport does no longer work for suid root programs. cdrecord: Warning: if cdrecord fails, try to run it from a root account. TOC Type: 1 = CD-ROM scsidev: '2,0,0' scsibus: 2 target: 0 lun: 0 Linux sg driver version: 3.5.31 Using libscg version 'schily-0.8'. Driveropts: 'burnfree' SCSI buffer size: 64512 atapi: 1 Device type: Removable CD-ROM Version: 2 Response Format: 2 Capabilities : Vendor_info: 'SAMSUNG ' Identifikation : 'CDRW/DVD SM-352F' Revision : 'T902' Device seems to be: Generic mmc2 DVD-ROM. Current: 0x0009 Profile: 0x000A Profile: 0x0009 (current) Profile: 0x0008 Profile: 0x0002 Profile: 0x0010 Using generic SCSI-3/mmc CD-R/CD-RW driver (mmc_cdr). Driver flags : MMC-3 SWABAUDIO BURNFREE Supported modes: TAO PACKET SAO SAO/R96P SAO/R96R RAW/R16 RAW/R96P RAW/R96R Drive buf size : 1959936 = 1914 KB FIFO size : 4194304 = 4096 KB Track 01: data 627 MB Total size: 720 MB (71:20.69) = 321052 sectors Lout start: 720 MB (71:22/52) = 321052 sectors Current Secsize: 2048 ATIP info from disk: Indicated writing power: 5 Is not unrestricted Is not erasable Disk sub type: Medium Type A, high Beta category (A+) (3) ATIP start of lead in: -11634 (97:26/66) ATIP start of lead out: 359846 (79:59/71) Disk type:Short strategy type (Phthalocyanine or similar) Manuf. index: 3 Manufacturer: CMC Magnetics Corporation Blocks total: 359846 Blocks current: 359846 Blocks remaining: 38794 Starting to write CD/DVD at speed 8 in dummy TAO mode for single session. Last chance to quit, starting dummy write0 seconds. Operation starts. Waiting for reader process to fill input buffer ... input buffer ready. BURN-Free is ON. Starting new track at sector: 0 Track 01: 264 of 627 MB written (fifo 100%) [buf 100%] 8.1x.cdrecord: Input/output error. write_g1: scsi sendcmd: no error CDB: 2A 00 00 02 11 E8 00 00 1F 00 status: 0x2 (CHECK CONDITION) Sense Bytes: F0 00 05 00 00 00 00 0A 00 00 00 00 21 02 00 00 Sense Key: 0x5 Illegal Request, Segment 0 Sense Code: 0x21 Qual 0x02 (invalid address for write) Fru 0x0 Sense flags: Blk 0 (valid) cmd finished after 1.323s timeout 40s write track data: error after 277823488 bytes cdrecord: The current problem looks like a buffer underrun. cdrecord: It looks like 'driveropts=burnfree' does not work for this drive. cdrecord: Please report. cdrecord: Make sure that you are root, enable DMA and check your HW/OS set up. Writing time: 241.176s Average write speed 17.8x. Min drive buffer fill was 95% Fixating... WARNING: Some drives don't like fixation in dummy mode. Fixating time:0.001s BURN-Free was never needed. cdrecord: fifo had 4440 puts and 4377 gets. cdrecord: fifo was 0 times empty and 4333 times full, min fill was 85%. Thanks in advance for your help. Cheers, Chris. -- (aidworld) chris wilson | chief engineer ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) The same problem with a LG burner in a USB housing (computer USB 1.0) You could solve the problem with cdrecord unloading the module sr_mod, but you could not use k3b and probably other GUIs neither. A better solution is not touching sr_mod and call cdrecord with dev=/dev/scd0 or similar, instead of dev=1,0,0. In k3b you can go to Options user parameters and set dev=/dev/scd0 (or dev=/dev/scd1 as your burner be) as an option to cdrecord. I don't know about other GUIs. Sorry if this were answered elsewhere. I am not suscribed to the list, so, please CC any answer to me. Ignacio -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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David Willmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In-Reply-To=[EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19: 46:32 +0100 Subject=Re: Re: DVD+R burning problem (other media okay) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:12:55 -0500 From: David Willmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've heard that problem--which is why I mentioned that the write was not on one of those busses. So, to clarify, the errors are media errors, not errors in content. Can't read sector vs sector contains bad data. I did further testing. I installed cdrecord-ProDVD version Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01b31 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling Unlocked features: ProDVD Clone Limited features: This copy of cdrecord is licensed for: private/research/educational_non-commercial_use With it, the media (labeled 4x) defaults to 8x burning. Media burnt that way with this program has a number of errors. When I hand set speed=4, I get no read errors on the burner drive, but it doesn't even read at 1x DVD speed. Another (older) 4x DVD reader reads errors on it. What writer do you use? Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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In-Reply-To=[EMAIL PROTECTED]; from [EMAIL PROTECTED] on Tue, 14 Dec 2004 19: 46:32 +0100 Subject=Re: Re: DVD+R burning problem (other media okay) Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2004 21:12:55 -0500 From: David Willmore [EMAIL PROTECTED] I've heard that problem--which is why I mentioned that the write was not on one of those busses. So, to clarify, the errors are media errors, not errors in content. Can't read sector vs sector contains bad data. I did further testing. I installed cdrecord-ProDVD version Cdrecord-ProDVD-Clone 2.01b31 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2004 Jörg Schilling Unlocked features: ProDVD Clone Limited features: This copy of cdrecord is licensed for: private/research/educational_non-commercial_use With it, the media (labeled 4x) defaults to 8x burning. Media burnt that way with this program has a number of errors. When I hand set speed=4, I get no read errors on the burner drive, but it doesn't even read at 1x DVD speed. Another (older) 4x DVD reader reads errors on it. I'm not on the list, so if people could CC me, it would make replying easier. :) Thanks! Cheers, David -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joerg Schilling wrote: Rob Bogus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'll put them on a web site and send them off to a few vendors who have their own version anyway. That way you won't have to worry about losing it. It looks as if using a trailing dot will be more natural: Ex: /usr/local/src/. /opt/tmr/. /home myron/. instead of haveing to write graft-points: /usr/local/src=/usr/local/src /opt/tmr=/opt/tmr /home /home myron=/home myron since I doubt anyone writes that way, and backing up directories using the original names is useful. What you try to propose is nothing that could be accepted for the official mkisofs. The more you write on it the less benefits I see. /usr/local/src/. does not help at all as mkisofs could not know how much of the original path should be visible on the CD. If /usr/local/src/. is a shorthand for /usr/local/src=/usr/local/src with graft points, why would it be any easier to figure out just because it was a hell of a lot easier to use for multiple directories? I suspect what you mean is that it isn't your idea so you're against it. -- E. Robert Bogusta It seemed like a good idea at the time -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rob Bogus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Okay, I'll put them on a web site and send them off to a few vendors who have their own version anyway. That way you won't have to worry about losing it. It looks as if using a trailing dot will be more natural: Ex: /usr/local/src/. /opt/tmr/. /home myron/. instead of haveing to write graft-points: /usr/local/src=/usr/local/src /opt/tmr=/opt/tmr /home /home myron=/home myron since I doubt anyone writes that way, and backing up directories using the original names is useful. What you try to propose is nothing that could be accepted for the official mkisofs. The more you write on it the less benefits I see. /usr/local/src/. does not help at all as mkisofs could not know how much of the original path should be visible on the CD. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Joerg Schilling wrote: Rob Bogus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's what you want -graft-points var.www.1=/var/www/1 (you will need options for having multiple dots). And what I said works, at least here, -graft-points /var/www/1=/var/www/1 preserves everything. That's the whole point of addir backups. Joerg, would you accept a patch such that /var/www/1= with no trailing copy of the same string would be a shorthand for this behaviour? I am not sure if this would really make sense as you could easily write var.www.1=/var/www/1 instead of var.www.1= in special when you run scripts. The idea is not to solve the original poster's problem, but to avoid /var/www/1=/var/www/1 many times repeated when what is really wanted is to say /usr/local/src (or similar) and not have to use graft-points and say /usr/local/src=/usr/local/src. To say that the current behaviour is inconvenient when saving a large number of directories *in the original location*, since graft-points are needed. Also please note that I did not yet start with a new development cycle for cdrtools as I am currently working on Star's incremental restores. Sending patches now could easily get lost :-( Okay, I'll put them on a web site and send them off to a few vendors who have their own version anyway. That way you won't have to worry about losing it. It looks as if using a trailing dot will be more natural: Ex: /usr/local/src/. /opt/tmr/. /home myron/. instead of haveing to write graft-points: /usr/local/src=/usr/local/src /opt/tmr=/opt/tmr /home /home myron=/home myron since I doubt anyone writes that way, and backing up directories using the original names is useful. -- E. Robert Bogusta It seemed like a good idea at the time -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Rob Bogus [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If that's what you want -graft-points var.www.1=/var/www/1 (you will need options for having multiple dots). And what I said works, at least here, -graft-points /var/www/1=/var/www/1 preserves everything. That's the whole point of addir backups. Joerg, would you accept a patch such that /var/www/1= with no trailing copy of the same string would be a shorthand for this behaviour? I am not sure if this would really make sense as you could easily write var.www.1=/var/www/1 instead of var.www.1= in special when you run scripts. Also please note that I did not yet start with a new development cycle for cdrtools as I am currently working on Star's incremental restores. Sending patches now could easily get lost :-( Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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_N4R3N_ wrote: hi all If i have a dir named /var/www/1.If i make an image using mkisofs with common options and write it on a cd I will see a copy of directory '1' on a cd . But i want to preserve the entire path such that the directory i m going to get should have the name 'var.www.1' Plz note that using graft points gives a diff result.How do i do this. Any ideas. Thanks in anticipation If that's what you want -graft-points var.www.1=/var/www/1 (you will need options for having multiple dots). And what I said works, at least here, -graft-points /var/www/1=/var/www/1 preserves everything. That's the whole point of addir backups. Joerg, would you accept a patch such that /var/www/1= with no trailing copy of the same string would be a shorthand for this behaviour? -- E. Robert Bogusta It seemed like a good idea at the time -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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hi all If i have a dir named /var/www/1.If i make an image using mkisofs with common options and write it on a cd I will see a copy of directory '1' on a cd . But i want to preserve the entire path such that the directory i m going to get should have the name 'var.www.1' Plz note that using graft points gives a diff result.How do i do this. Any ideas. Thanks in anticipation -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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_N4R3N_ wrote: hi I want to take data backup on to a cdrom.My problem is when i want to write two directories with the same name like 1./var/www 2./home/naren/www Sice both direcories have the same name(Since making an iso image with the two dirs combined is impossible ,since /home/naren/www automatically overwrites /var/www in an iso) Since mkisofs does not take in to matter the path to which the (I donno completely ) files r there but only takes in to accont the last name (i mean only the 'www' part) So finally i want to write it as 1. var.www 2.home.naren.www to make an iso image such that when it is burned on a cd gives two dirs var.www and home.naren.www I have to make some manipulation when trying to make them(1./var/www,2./home/naren/www) to iso image and then burn it on a cd How do i do this ??? Any suggestions See -graft-points and use the full name on the ISO image (like /home/me=/home/me) -- bill davidsen [EMAIL PROTECTED] CTO TMR Associates, Inc Doing interesting things with small computers since 1979 -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Hey guys,
That's an interesting problem and I had that when I wanted to create
differential backups on suse9.1.
All software used was self compiled and not the one provided by suse.
In Suse9.0 I could work it perfectly and there was absolutely no problem
but with Suse9.1 and now Suse9.2 I don't get it to run.
That said, I tried to figure out what has changed between those releases
and I have a guess that it might be related to the reiser filesystem.
That of course does not explain why paolo has the same problem but maybe
he uses also the reiserfs...
Paolo, if you get rid of the '-quiet' and add a '-v' into your growisofs
command then you will see exactly in which file the program hangs.
I already did several tests and it stops on my system always somewhere
else and that's why I think it might be the filesystem. It works for me
perfectly with the same data when used on an older reiserfs release.
What do you guys think, silly assumption or is there something on it?
cheers,
pascal
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Now I try to burn a subsequent session in incremental mode:
#growisofs -M /dev/hdd -root backup-2004-10-22-10:43 -old-root
backup-2004-10-22-10:36 -quiet -R -D -exclude-list /tmp/backup.exclude
-graft-points home/nason=home/nason
output:
Executing 'mkisofs -C 16,407824 -M /dev/fd/3 -root
backup-2004-10-22-10:43 -old-root backup-2004-10-22-10:36 -quiet -R -D
-exclude-list /tmp/backup.exclude -graft-points home/nason=home/nason |
builtin_dd of=/dev/hdd obs=32k seek=25489'
Rock Ridge signatures found
At this point the dvd burner lights up for a while then stops.
Nothing happens. Using top I can see that mkisofs is using
all the cpu available. I have to kill the process.
If I do the same with a small test directory, the same procedure
works. With my home directory (800Mb) it hangs.
I compiled mkisofs with a debug option, and ran under the debugger
the command (is this right? I took it from the growisofs output,
substituting /dev/fd/3 with /dev/hdd ):
#mkisofs -C 16,407824 -M /dev/hdd -root backup-2004-10-22-10:43
-old-root backup-2004-10-22-10:36 -quiet -R -D -exclude-list
/tmp/backup.exclude -graft-points home/nason=home/nason
The program runs an infinite loop in multi.c:545,
while (len = 4) {
It's pure mkisofs problem. In other words it has anything to do whether or
not you use ide-scsi, what is your kernel version nor which brand is your
recorder unit. It has everything to do with your home directory structure..
You can try narrow the problem by temporarily moving subdirectories out of
your home directory to identify which one causes trouble, then step down
that directory and apply same procedure (temporarily move out subdirs
elsewhere on same device)... A.
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From: Thomas J Magliery PhD [EMAIL PROTECTED] I guess the answer is: use growisofs with this unit, or get Plextor to do something about this firmware. I'm not at all opposed to growisofs/k3b, I was just used to xcdroast for burning CDs. Have you dealt with anyone at Plextor that I might try to explain this to? Incidentally, Alan Stern at linux-usb-devel is also looking this over from the usb-storage end, and I'll post something here if he has something to add. The answer is: send a bug report to the Linux people - I allready did send bug report to Plextor. Wait for whatever fix is available first. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Andy Polyakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] -a broken drive. Again, since growisofs works, I doubt this, but perhaps cdrecord avails itself of some facility that growisofs ignores. Is this the case? In other words, WHY would growisofs either not have or not be stopped by this error, while cdrecord is? Recall that cdrecord is fine with blank CD-Rs using the same drive. A possible reason may be a bug in growisofs If growisofs didn't pay attention to the error code returned by the command in question, I can assure that the recording would have failed to start in some other way (or do I again know too little to assure that?) The reason why growisofs doesn't get stuck on this is because it doesn't try to squeeze the unit for every bit of information (most likely partially bogus in this particular case), but asks only for information relevant for the intended purpose. As I can assure that this is actually intentional behaviour, it can't be classified as a bug. Yes, it hides/avoids bugs in unit firmware and possibly Linux USB transport, but it's not a coincidence or lucky guess, but a result of consideration which so to say paid off. A. Cdrecord does not squeeze the driveit just does what the SCSI standard documents: Ask the drive how many bytes it is willing to provide and later retrieve them. You did not answer if growisofs always checks the SCSI Status byte. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To UNSUBSCRIBE, email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with a subject of unsubscribe. Trouble? Contact [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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From: Andy Polyakov [EMAIL PROTECTED] -a broken drive. Again, since growisofs works, I doubt this, but perhaps cdrecord avails itself of some facility that growisofs ignores. Is this the case? In other words, WHY would growisofs either not have or not be stopped by this error, while cdrecord is? Recall that cdrecord is fine with blank CD-Rs using the same drive. A possible reason may be a bug in growisofs If growisofs didn't pay attention to the error code returned by the command in question, I can assure that the recording would have failed to start in some other way (or do I again know too little to assure that?) The reason why growisofs doesn't get stuck on this is because it doesn't try to squeeze the unit for every bit of information (most likely partially bogus in this particular case), but asks only for information relevant for the intended purpose. As I can assure that this is actually intentional behaviour, it can't be classified as a bug. Yes, it hides/avoids bugs in unit firmware and possibly Linux USB transport, but it's not a coincidence or lucky guess, but a result of consideration which so to say paid off. A. Cdrecord does not squeeze the driveit just does what the SCSI standard documents: Ask the drive how many bytes it is willing to provide and later retrieve them. You did not answer if growisofs always checks the SCSI Status byte. Jörg -- EMail:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin [EMAIL PROTECTED](uni) If you don't have iso-8859-1 [EMAIL PROTECTED](work) chars I am Jorg Schilling URL: http://www.fokus.fraunhofer.de/usr/schilling ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily
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